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Dear Shri Pathmarajahji,

Namasthe & Greetings,

That was a beautiful rendering of the long journey of individual souls to the

ULTIMATE TRUTH that is Ishwara.....

Thanks for explaining the difference between WORSHIP and PRAYER......

Resolving Karma is an eternal process for each soul and living by Dharma is

the way to Moksha.....

Thank you very much for the enlightening and enriching expressions..........

My understanding is clearer now on certain aspects so that I too can explain

to others in a much better way in your language...

As far as relations to Planets and Stars, I am yet to distinguish between the

effects of ALL-PERVASIVENESS of ISHWARA AND EVERY PART OF CREATION on the one

hand and THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL'S RELATION TO EACH PART OF THE CREATION WHICH

INCLUDE THE STARS AND ALL THE PLANETS. Moon affects tides which has a direct

bearing on our survival... because farming is done based on movement of

water..... I have seen in my family, farming is very much associated with

high/low tides...... Today Federal Reserve in USA decides on interest-cuts which

affect the financial activities of Governments and businesses..... So, there is

a connection/bearing between individual souls and each & among all parts of the

creation, whether material or spiritual......

I am sure, you are a very advanced and learned person in your spiritual

journey.... Let me be part of the unfolding of the truth in this forum....

With best regards,

vm

 

 

 

 

Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy wrote:

Dear vavamenon and friends,

 

Most people in the west are no longer christian, yet they celebrate the

christmas/new year period, not because they want to honor the birth of christ or

their identity as a christian but simply because its the holiday season and want

to take advantage of it, a time of giving gifts, merry making as well as end of

year celebrations. So these non christians celebrate Xmas, and not Christmas.

'X' can mean any festival for any group, including gays and athiests. So

everyone can celebrate Xmas.

 

Now I understand Hindus in the west coast of america are beginning to celebrate

PanchaGanapati from 21st Dec to 25th Dec, to coincide with christmas.

PanchaGanapati would be their Xmas! It is a time of gift giving, placing gifts

under a makeshift Ganapati shrine with sugarcane in the living room, all lighted

up just like a christmas tree! On the first day they reach out to immediate

family members, on the second day to relatives, on the third day to friends, on

the fourth day to business associates and culminating on the fifth day, reaching

out to the world at large.

 

I am not a christian and actually detest the abrahamic faiths. But the jittery

hindu world is ever ready to suspect and accuse anyone at the drop of a hat.

 

Strictly speaking it is the agamas and the vedas that are the ONLY shastras for

the Hindu. All the rest are commentaries, elaborations and secular works,

persuasive documents perhaps, but which nonetheless are not binding on us, and

can be summarily discarded. It is NO authority. So astrology, or jyotisha, is to

be discarded!

 

Everyone please keep in mind that we have no concepts of predestination or fate.

What we have is the concept of karma, which cannot ever be known. There is no

way our karma can be charted out and our future predicted based on a horoscope

or palmistry or some mumbo jumbo. There is no mumbo jumbo in the agamas or

vedas.

 

Everyone keep in mind that we worship the Gods, and not the planets, meteors,

comets, space debris, constellations, nodes of the moon, sun, galaxies or

whatever. Gods are all prevading bodies of light, neither physical nor even

mental, and not restricted to the physical world around us, rather immanent and

transcending it. And certainly not the planets! Gods pervade the entire cosmos

in much the same way our soul-spirit pervades our entire body. They cannot be

constricted or confined to a planet!

 

That the astrologers came to link the planets to Hindu gods is a devastating

development of the late siddhanta period. It paralysed the Hindus, made them

superstitious, fearful and fatalistic. It provided an argument and justification

for caste, and all the ills of Hindu society and the failings of an individual

or curse of a community! It made Hindus beggers; they go and beg the gods and

planets for favours, worldly favours that is, wealth to be specific, when on the

contrary the entire reason for taking a birth is to resolve karmas, relinquish

all, and attain moksha. That cannot happen when one is still begging for wealth,

fame, spouses, etc, and almost always, sure enough, will be disappointed,

leading to a loss of faith and confidence in the Gods.

 

This is what we need to delink now; delink the Gods from the planets, delink

predeterminism from karma, delink prayers for wealth from worship for communion

with the Gods and moksha.

 

Appeals to the Gods for their benign intervention is the basis of worship, for

the Gods alone can intervene. There would be no reason to worship if there is

such a thing as predestination. As the future cannot be known, there are no

prophecies in HIndu shastras unlike the abrahamic faiths. If the future could be

known our shastras would have been overflowing with it.

 

Where there is worship, that makes it a religion and not just a dharma. It has

become fashionable to describe Hinduism as a way of life and not a religion,

perhaps trying to distinguish and distance themselves from the abrahamic faiths

and establish a distinction. Well thats not true.

 

Christians and muslims pray, whereas Hindus worship. Its not the same thing.

Worship means 'to honor'. To pray is 'to beg'. Hindus don't beg, but honor the

gods, with agamic tools and technology, seek supernatural communion, seek an

ending to the separation of the soul and God, the aspiration of the worshipper

being to suppress the separation of himself from the object of worship,

amalgamating his self with the supreme self, ultimately the stage in worship is

the identification of the worshipper with the Diety, and in that process seek

moksha - liberation from the physical, mental and emotional. All Hindu worship

is geared towards this, whether we are conscious of it or not. And not for

begging for wealth and fame (which may be ancilliary and not worthy of mention

in the presence of the God). Therein lies the disappointment! For the objective

was grossly wrong, a total misunderstanding!

 

The Gods respond to the worship, not by providing wealth, spouse, etc., as

repeatedly and endlessly requested by the woefully lost soul, but by unfolding a

scenario in our lives that makes the separation of soul and God less and less

distant over the years. The provision or non provision of wealth, spouse, fame,

children, etc., is merely a means to THAT end!

 

Regards.

 

Pathma

 

HinduCalendar , vavamenon <vavamenon wrote:

>

> Shri Pathmarajah ji,

> Greetings and Namasthe !

> I would really be obliged if you could educate me as to the real meaning of

Xmas. I was all along seeing people including christians using X'mas, Xmas, etc.

as a short form for Chrismas.

> In Internet, people use short forms to save time, such as B2B

(business-to-Business, 4 instead of 4, 2 instead of two, etc....).

> I request you to please give me any other meaning for Xmas, which would

enlarge my own understanding.....

> About Hinduism, I have not come across or any scholar of Sanatana Dharma

original scriptures the word " Hindu " in Vedas, Vedangas, Upanishads, Brahmanas,

Aranyakas, Agamas, Ithihaasaas, Puranas, Upa Puranas, etc...... Those who follow

Vedic Scriptures are just Bharatheeyans, there is no religion (in its true

sense) in India.... Our Maharishis have structured a life style for all human

race in such a way that one lives truly connected to THE DIVINE every second of

his life.

> About your arguments on Vedic Calendars, I am still learning a lot on the

subject from learned persons like you who are interacting in this forum, so that

I also can arrive at TRUTH.

> With regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Pathmarajahji, Namasthe & Greetings, That was a beautiful rendering of the long journey of individual souls to the ULTIMATE TRUTH that is Ishwara..... Thanks for explaining the difference between WORSHIP and PRAYER...... Resolving Karma is an eternal process for each soul and living by Dharma is the way to Moksha..... Thank you very much for the enlightening and enriching expressions.......... My understanding is clearer now on certain aspects so that I too can explain to others in a much better way in your language... As far as relations to Planets and Stars, I am yet to distinguish between the effects of ALL-PERVASIVENESS of ISHWARA AND EVERY PART OF CREATION on the one hand and THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL'S RELATION TO EACH PART OF THE CREATION WHICH INCLUDE THE STARS AND ALL THE PLANETS. Moon affects tides which has a direct bearing on our survival... because

farming is done based on movement of water..... I have seen in my family, farming is very much associated with high/low tides...... Today Federal Reserve in USA decides on interest-cuts which affect the financial activities of Governments and businesses..... So, there is a connection/bearing between individual souls and each & among all parts of the creation, whether material or spiritual...... I am sure, you are a very advanced and learned person in your spiritual journey.... Let me be part of the unfolding of the truth in this forum.... With best regards, vm Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy wrote: Dear vavamenon and friends,Most people in the west are no longer christian, yet they celebrate the christmas/new year period, not because they want to honor the birth of christ or their identity as a christian but simply because its the holiday season and want to take advantage of it, a time of giving gifts, merry making as well as end of year celebrations. So these non christians celebrate Xmas, and not Christmas. 'X' can mean any festival for any group, including gays and athiests. So everyone can celebrate Xmas.Now I understand Hindus in the west coast of america are beginning to celebrate PanchaGanapati from 21st Dec to 25th Dec, to coincide with christmas. PanchaGanapati would be their Xmas! It is a time of gift giving, placing gifts under a makeshift Ganapati shrine

with sugarcane in the living room, all lighted up just like a christmas tree! On the first day they reach out to immediate family members, on the second day to relatives, on the third day to friends, on the fourth day to business associates and culminating on the fifth day, reaching out to the world at large.I am not a christian and actually detest the abrahamic faiths. But the jittery hindu world is ever ready to suspect and accuse anyone at the drop of a hat.Strictly speaking it is the agamas and the vedas that are the ONLY shastras for the Hindu. All the rest are commentaries, elaborations and secular works, persuasive documents perhaps, but which nonetheless are not binding on us, and can be summarily discarded. It is NO authority. So astrology, or jyotisha, is to be discarded!Everyone please keep in mind that we have no concepts of predestination or fate. What we have is the concept of karma, which cannot ever be known. There is no way our

karma can be charted out and our future predicted based on a horoscope or palmistry or some mumbo jumbo. There is no mumbo jumbo in the agamas or vedas.Everyone keep in mind that we worship the Gods, and not the planets, meteors, comets, space debris, constellations, nodes of the moon, sun, galaxies or whatever. Gods are all prevading bodies of light, neither physical nor even mental, and not restricted to the physical world around us, rather immanent and transcending it. And certainly not the planets! Gods pervade the entire cosmos in much the same way our soul-spirit pervades our entire body. They cannot be constricted or confined to a planet!That the astrologers came to link the planets to Hindu gods is a devastating development of the late siddhanta period. It paralysed the Hindus, made them superstitious, fearful and fatalistic. It provided an argument and justification for caste, and all the ills of Hindu society and the failings of an individual or

curse of a community! It made Hindus beggers; they go and beg the gods and planets for favours, worldly favours that is, wealth to be specific, when on the contrary the entire reason for taking a birth is to resolve karmas, relinquish all, and attain moksha. That cannot happen when one is still begging for wealth, fame, spouses, etc, and almost always, sure enough, will be disappointed, leading to a loss of faith and confidence in the Gods.This is what we need to delink now; delink the Gods from the planets, delink predeterminism from karma, delink prayers for wealth from worship for communion with the Gods and moksha.Appeals to the Gods for their benign intervention is the basis of worship, for the Gods alone can intervene. There would be no reason to worship if there is such a thing as predestination. As the future cannot be known, there are no prophecies in HIndu shastras unlike the abrahamic faiths. If the future could be known our shastras would have

been overflowing with it.Where there is worship, that makes it a religion and not just a dharma. It has become fashionable to describe Hinduism as a way of life and not a religion, perhaps trying to distinguish and distance themselves from the abrahamic faiths and establish a distinction. Well thats not true. Christians and muslims pray, whereas Hindus worship. Its not the same thing. Worship means 'to honor'. To pray is 'to beg'. Hindus don't beg, but honor the gods, with agamic tools and technology, seek supernatural communion, seek an ending to the separation of the soul and God, the aspiration of the worshipper being to suppress the separation of himself from the object of worship, amalgamating his self with the supreme self, ultimately the stage in worship is the identification of the worshipper with the Diety, and in that process seek moksha - liberation from the physical, mental and emotional. All Hindu worship is geared towards this, whether we are

conscious of it or not. And not for begging for wealth and fame (which may be ancilliary and not worthy of mention in the presence of the God). Therein lies the disappointment! For the objective was grossly wrong, a total misunderstanding!The Gods respond to the worship, not by providing wealth, spouse, etc., as repeatedly and endlessly requested by the woefully lost soul, but by unfolding a scenario in our lives that makes the separation of soul and God less and less distant over the years. The provision or non provision of wealth, spouse, fame, children, etc., is merely a means to THAT end!Regards.PathmaHinduCalendar , vavamenon <vavamenon wrote:>> Shri Pathmarajah ji,> Greetings and Namasthe !> I would really be obliged if you could educate me as to the real meaning of Xmas. I was all along seeing people

including christians using X'mas, Xmas, etc. as a short form for Chrismas.> In Internet, people use short forms to save time, such as B2B (business-to-Business, 4 instead of 4, 2 instead of two, etc....).> I request you to please give me any other meaning for Xmas, which would enlarge my own understanding.....> About Hinduism, I have not come across or any scholar of Sanatana Dharma original scriptures the word "Hindu" in Vedas, Vedangas, Upanishads, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Agamas, Ithihaasaas, Puranas, Upa Puranas, etc...... Those who follow Vedic Scriptures are just Bharatheeyans, there is no religion (in its true sense) in India.... Our Maharishis have structured a life style for all human race in such a way that one lives truly connected to THE DIVINE every second of his life. > About your arguments on Vedic Calendars, I am still learning a lot on the subject from learned persons like you who are interacting in this forum, so that I

also can arrive at TRUTH. > With regards,

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