Benazir Bhutto: search of correct natal chart...B.V Raman may be correct

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Dear Mr.Imran,

 

Once again I thank you for providing the info .

 

I checked Ms. Benazir Bhutto's chart using chart and birth details as

endorsed by none other than Legendary Sri B.V Raman and also endorsed

by Cyrus Abayakoon who I hold in greatest esteem.

 

I checked up the sad event on 27th December 2007 using my Rahu

centric method to find out if this chart is correct or not.

My findings clearly indicate a sudden and violent death.

 

If I take Dhanur lagna as correct lagna, (I am using Lahiri

Ayanamsha).

To find out longevity, I re orient the chart to bring R1 as KL or

Kaal Lagna.This will make it as Makar Lagna(KL)

Rahu in asc, Sukra in 4th, Guru in 5th, Sun and Mars in 6th, Ketu and

Budha in 7th,Vakri Sani in 9th and Moon in 10th.

 

She was running Sani-guru-sani-guru-sani.

This is not only remarkable but breathtaking.

 

Because, Sani is lord of KL lagna as well as 2nd.Sani assumes Maraka

powers because he is aspected by Ultimate killer Guru who is the

Kaalanta 12th house lord who is also the lord of the 3rd house.She

was running Guru bhukti.

Same Sani is fully aspected by Mars who is asociated with the 8th

lord sun in 6th.Please mark that the Guru who is in 5th, is also

aspecting Lagna. Even Mars is aspecting her Lagna.

No wonder she was a marked person almost all throughout her Sani dasa

which ultimately killed her.

 

Coming back to her dasa period right up to her PAD, she was running

only Sani and Guru periods.Guru in her chart indicates religious

fundamentalists.How could she escape death?

 

I know that my posting may raise some eyebrows but I would throw my

lot with Sri B.V Raman's data.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " M. Imran " <astroimran

wrote:

>

>

>

> Benazir Bhutto: search of

> correct natal chart

>

>

>

>

> Benazir Bhutto is not

> the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I

have

> confronted various references of her birth details. The first one

is Sunday,

> June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21,

1953 yields

> Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

> birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

Raman, Cyrus

> T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat

Shaikh and many

> others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either

have rectified

> the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it

should be borne

> in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute

ahead of GMT

> from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951,

Pakistan and

> Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight

of May 1,

> 1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT,

that is in

> practice to date.

>

>

>

>

>

> Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

> Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she

was staying

> in London and

> consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s

birth

> details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

> as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when

we recast

> the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra.

Why? Because

> either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed

Pakistan¢s time

> zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

> 24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have

to take her

> birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of

GMT). Besides

> time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir

herself used

> to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her

index finger but

> also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in

favour of

> Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for

Benazir, seriously

> by correcting time zone.

>

>

>

>

>

> Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

> birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June

21, 1952 (exact

> time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and

Taurus Moon. It

> may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth

of Benazir

> as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on

September 8,

> 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests

this deviant

> date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without

reliable

> source may be misleading.

>

>

>

>

>

> But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

> charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand

about little

> known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently

testifies

> violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th.

But when you

> compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you

would

> conclude against it.

>

>

>

>

>

> Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

> Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to

reach at correct

> chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify

her

> assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life

events with

> vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two

dozen

> important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

> corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that

time.

>

> For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

> sohamsa

> vedic astrology

> OR

> http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9QlD-

YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHoQ3nc84Cn0tPffTkmVTNBqbfZJLMWNAgra7OYxR-

Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXMkLi/Benazir%20Bhutto%20-%20search%20of%20correct%

20chart.pdf

>

>

>

> Regards,

> M. Imran

>

>

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> TV One/News One

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> Karachi, Pakistan

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[Guest guest]

Hi

 

Can you explian Rahu Centric method? I happen to see one article by Santhanm

,but doing that without software is very difficult.Could you please help me how

it works and what software you are doing?

 

regards

Santhosh

 

 

nameisego <nameisego

vedic astrology

Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:44:48 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Benazir Bhutto: search of correct natal

chart...B.V Raman may be correct

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Imran,

 

 

 

Once again I thank you for providing the info .

 

 

 

I checked Ms. Benazir Bhutto's chart using chart and birth details as

 

endorsed by none other than Legendary Sri B.V Raman and also endorsed

 

by Cyrus Abayakoon who I hold in greatest esteem.

 

 

 

I checked up the sad event on 27th December 2007 using my Rahu

 

centric method to find out if this chart is correct or not.

 

My findings clearly indicate a sudden and violent death.

 

 

 

If I take Dhanur lagna as correct lagna, (I am using Lahiri

 

Ayanamsha).

 

To find out longevity, I re orient the chart to bring R1 as KL or

 

Kaal Lagna.This will make it as Makar Lagna(KL)

 

Rahu in asc, Sukra in 4th, Guru in 5th, Sun and Mars in 6th, Ketu and

 

Budha in 7th,Vakri Sani in 9th and Moon in 10th.

 

 

 

She was running Sani-guru-sani- guru-sani.

 

This is not only remarkable but breathtaking.

 

 

 

Because, Sani is lord of KL lagna as well as 2nd.Sani assumes Maraka

 

powers because he is aspected by Ultimate killer Guru who is the

 

Kaalanta 12th house lord who is also the lord of the 3rd house.She

 

was running Guru bhukti.

 

Same Sani is fully aspected by Mars who is asociated with the 8th

 

lord sun in 6th.Please mark that the Guru who is in 5th, is also

 

aspecting Lagna. Even Mars is aspecting her Lagna.

 

No wonder she was a marked person almost all throughout her Sani dasa

 

which ultimately killed her.

 

 

 

Coming back to her dasa period right up to her PAD, she was running

 

only Sani and Guru periods.Guru in her chart indicates religious

 

fundamentalists. How could she escape death?

 

 

 

I know that my posting may raise some eyebrows but I would throw my

 

lot with Sri B.V Raman's data.

 

 

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

vedic astrology, " M. Imran " <astroimran@ ...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Benazir Bhutto: search of

 

> correct natal chart

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Benazir Bhutto is not

 

> the only celebrity about whom multiple birth charts are claimed. I

 

have

 

> confronted various references of her birth details. The first one

 

is Sunday,

 

> June 21, 1953 at 7:43pm (4:30 East of GMT), Karachi. This June 21,

 

1953 yields

 

> Sagittarius ascendant and Chitra-3 nakshatra, as per Lahiri

 

Ayanamsa. Aforesaid

 

> birth detail is endorsed by the writings and write-ups of B.V.

 

Raman, Cyrus

 

> T.F. Abayakoon, J.C. Luthra, P.A. Patel, Samad Hussain Rizvi, Rafat

 

Shaikh and many

 

> others. On the other hand, there are some astrologers who either

 

have rectified

 

> the birth time or time zone, to arrive at Scorpio lagna. But it

 

should be borne

 

> in mind that Pakistan Standard Time (PST) was 4 hours 30 minute

 

ahead of GMT

 

> from September 1, 1951 to April 30, 1954. Before September 1, 1951,

 

Pakistan and

 

> Indian Standard Time were identical. And it is only from midnight

 

of May 1,

 

> 1954, Government of Pakistan enforced time zone 5:00 east of GMT,

 

that is in

 

> practice to date.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Now there is another significant reference provided by K. N.

 

> Rao. He holds that Natwar Singh drawn Benazir¢s horoscope when she

 

was staying

 

> in London and

 

> consulted him. K. N. Rao and his students follow Benazir Bhutto¢s

 

birth

 

> details: June 23, 1953, 4:30pm Karachi

 

> as given by Natwar Singh, that yields ascendant 24Libra25. But when

 

we recast

 

> the chart we find 7*28¢ Scorpio as ascendant, instead of Libra.

 

Why? Because

 

> either Natwar Singh or K. N. Rao¢s students mistakenly assumed

 

Pakistan¢s time

 

> zone as +5:30 GMT. Hence to arrive at

 

> 24*25¢ Libra ascendant of Benazir, as claimed by K. N. Rao, we have

 

to take her

 

> birth time 3:30pm Karachi (with correct time zone 4:30 East of

 

GMT). Besides

 

> time zone confusion, another thing (though trivia) is that Benazir

 

herself used

 

> to wear yellow coloured stone (probably Topaz) not only in her

 

index finger but

 

> also in her neck. This selection and usage of stone may go in

 

favour of

 

> Sagittarius lagna. But even I took K.N. Rao¢s Libra lagna for

 

Benazir, seriously

 

> by correcting time zone.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Apart from discussed above horoscopes, there is another

 

> birth chart of Benazir Bhutto, though somewhat maverick. It is June

 

21, 1952 (exact

 

> time unknown but it is afternoon) that gives Libra ascendant and

 

Taurus Moon. It

 

> may be possible but difficult to believe that 1952 is year of birth

 

of Benazir

 

> as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Begum Nusrat Bhutto on

 

September 8,

 

> 1951. Secondly, I did not find any authentic source that attests

 

this deviant

 

> date of birth. Hence paying much attention to this claim without

 

reliable

 

> source may be misleading.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> But one thing is clear that most of the Scorpio rising

 

> charts associated to Benazir Bhutto, are result of misunderstand

 

about little

 

> known history of Pakistan Standard Time. However, it coincidently

 

testifies

 

> violent death; on account of Scorpio lagna lord Mars being in 8th.

 

But when you

 

> compare rest of the life events with any Scorpio rising chart, you

 

would

 

> conclude against it.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Now, we have left with two claims: 21-June-1953 Sagittarius

 

> Ascendant and 23-June-1953 Libra Ascendant. There are many ways to

 

reach at correct

 

> chart. Most of the people rely on the chart that can easily justify

 

her

 

> assassination. But in my humble opinion, comparing significant life

 

events with

 

> vimshottari dasha may prove an acid test. I have collected over two

 

dozen

 

> important events in the life of Benazir Bhutto and match them with

 

> corresponding Maha, Antar and Pratyantar Dashas running at that

 

time.

 

>

 

> For table of comparison, see FILES section of the

 

> http://groups. / group/sohamsa/ files/

 

> http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ files/

 

> OR

 

> http://f1.grp. fs.com/ v1/UJZ3R1pBMYF9Q lD-

 

YlAyyrsDTZQOAmZJZHo Q3nc84Cn0tPffTkm VTNBqbfZJLMWNAgr a7OYxR-

 

Q9O5j2RDxJpv9aEeQXM kLi/Benazir% 20Bhutto% 20-%20search% 20of%20correct%

 

20chart.pdf

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

> M. Imran

 

>

 

>

 

> Producer

 

> TV One/News One

 

> Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd

 

> Karachi, Pakistan

 

> Mob: 092-21-03002433121

 

>

 

> Phone: 092-21-4530385

 

> Fax: 092-21-4300737

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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