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April 13, 2007

Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all members,

I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of the

groups.It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

The birth details of male native is as under.

TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last 16 years or

from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a substantial sum of

money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also seems to be

correct.

His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time constraint. However I

shall do that .

Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your comment is

also invited.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

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April 13, 2007

Dear All,

Sorry, there is typo in TOB. Please read TOB as 05:03 AM.

Error is regretted.Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all members,

I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of the

groups.It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

The birth details of male native is as under.

TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last 16 years or

from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a substantial sum of

money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also seems to be

correct.

His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time constraint. However I

shall do that .

Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your comment is also

invited.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

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April 14, 2007

Dear Ramesh,

To start with, let me write one by one each factor

which might affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

from 1990 onwards.

Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

Second house also relate to money matters too.

Second lord gives worries for no reason.

And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes, status in

society debts etc.

The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good business too

as these points are in ascending order.

The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to inputs.

iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of the houses

as well.

So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental agony and

matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key role as LOD or LOE.

If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the native have

done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And in rest of the antras,

his expenditures were more than he had earned, showing obvious cause for his

financial position.

For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in summary chart.

The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra to some

extent.

Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and Mars antra

too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative periods.

in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both the houses.

After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the position

might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th house , will be

representing VENUS.

Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will request

other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all members,

I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of the

groups.It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

The birth details of male native is as under.

TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last 16 years or

from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a substantial sum of

money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also seems to be

correct.

His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time constraint. However I

shall do that .

Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your comment is also

invited.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

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April 14, 2007

Dear Ramesh,

To start with, let me write one by one each factor

which might affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

from 1990 onwards.

Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

Second house also relate to money matters too.

Second lord gives worries for no reason.

And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes, status in

society debts etc.

The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good business too

as these points are in ascending order.

The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to inputs.

iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of the houses

as well.

So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental agony and

matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key role as LOD or LOE.

If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the native have

done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And in rest of the antras,

his expenditures were more than he had earned, showing obvious cause for his

financial position.

For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in summary chart.

The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra to some

extent.

Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and Mars antra

too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative periods.

in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both the houses.

After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the position

might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th house , will be

representing VENUS.

Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will request

other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all members,

I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of the

groups.It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

The birth details of male native is as under.

TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last 16 years or

from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a substantial sum of

money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also seems to be

correct.

His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time constraint. However I

shall do that .

Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your comment is also

invited.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

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April 14, 2007

Dear Anup,

Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that you have

hold the good understandings of KAS .

However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether he will be

able to get his blocked money back in future.

The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd house with

6 bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the current

running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka for 2nd is

Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his malefic aspect on 2nd house.

Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd) and aspected

by Su in navamsa.

Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal matters) posited

strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic aspect on house E and karak

Ma of 2nd house.

Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his blocked money

back.

May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might affect the

situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event from 1990 onwards.

Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

Second house also relate to money matters too.

Second lord gives worries for no reason.

And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes, status in society

debts etc.

The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good business too

as these points are in ascending order.

The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to inputs.

iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of the houses as

well.

So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental agony and

matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key role as LOD or LOE.

If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the native have

done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And in rest of the antras,

his expenditures were more than he had earned, showing obvious cause for his

financial position.

For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in summary chart.

The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra to some

extent.

Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and Mars antra

too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative periods.

in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both the houses.

After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the position

might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th house , will be

representing VENUS.

Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will request

other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all members,

I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of the

groups.It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

The birth details of male native is as under.

TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last 16 years or

from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a substantial sum of

money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also seems to be

correct.

His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time constraint. However I

shall do that .

Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your comment is also

invited.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

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April 14, 2007

Dear Ramesh,

Ya, you are right that native possibly,wont get his

money back,

here i think, for getting money back, we should also consider 12th house as

loss of money instead 11th house, which represent gains.Sun and Saturn are

opposing in navmsa as sun is 12th from 2nd house in natal chart and the the Sat

is current antra.

It wiill be very hard to take his money back, no doubt.

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup,

Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that you have hold

the good understandings of KAS .

However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether he will be

able to get his blocked money back in future.

The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd house with 6

bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the current

running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka for 2nd is

Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his malefic aspect on 2nd house.

Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd) and aspected

by Su in navamsa.

Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal matters) posited

strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic aspect on house E and karak

Ma of 2nd house.

Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his blocked money

back.

May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might affect the

situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event from 1990 onwards.

Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

Second house also relate to money matters too.

Second lord gives worries for no reason.

And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes, status in society

debts etc.

The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good business too

as these points are in ascending order.

The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to inputs.

iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of the houses as

well.

So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental agony and

matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key role as LOD or LOE.

If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the native have

done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And in rest of the antras,

his expenditures were more than he had earned, showing obvious cause for his

financial position.

For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in summary chart.

The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra to some

extent.

Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and Mars antra

too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative periods.

in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both the houses.

After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the position

might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th house , will be

representing VENUS.

Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will request

other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all members,

I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of the

groups.It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

The birth details of male native is as under.

TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last 16 years or

from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a substantial sum of

money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also seems to be

correct.

His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time constraint. However I

shall do that .

Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your comment is also

invited.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger

April 14, 2007

Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by other members also.

Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

Regards.

Ramesh Mishra

, Anup <dalh_1

wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

> Ya, you are right that native

possibly,wont get his money back,

> here i think, for getting money back, we should also consider

12th house as loss of money instead 11th house, which represent

gains.Sun and Saturn are opposing in navmsa as sun is 12th from 2nd

house in natal chart and the the Sat is current antra.

> It wiill be very hard to take his money back, no doubt.

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that

you have hold the good understandings of KAS .

> However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether

he will be able to get his blocked money back in future.

> The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

> As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd

house with 6 bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

> 7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the

current running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

> The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka

for 2nd is Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his

malefic aspect on 2nd house.

> Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd)

and aspected by Su in navamsa.

> Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal

matters) posited strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic

aspect on house E and karak Ma of 2nd house.

> Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

> So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his

blocked money back.

> May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I

am wrong.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might

affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

from 1990 onwards.

> Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

>

> Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

> Second house also relate to money matters too.

> Second lord gives worries for no reason.

> And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

> Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

>

> In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

> Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes,

status in society debts etc.

> The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

>

> Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good

business too as these points are in ascending order.

> The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to

inputs.

> iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of

the houses as well.

> So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental

agony and matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key

role as LOD or LOE.

>

> If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the

native have done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And

in rest of the antras, his expenditures were more than he had earned,

showing obvious cause for his financial position.

>

> For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

> And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in

summary chart.

>

> The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra

to some extent.

> Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and

Mars antra too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative

periods.

>

> in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

> I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both

the houses.

> After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the

position might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th

house , will be representing VENUS.

> Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will

request other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all

members,

> I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of

the .It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

> The birth details of male native is as under.

> TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

> This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last

16 years or from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a

substantial sum of money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

> For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

> 1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

> 2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

> 3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

> 4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

> 5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

> I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also

seems to be correct.

> His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time

constraint. However I shall do that .

> Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your

comment is also invited.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger

>

April 14, 2007

Dear Ramesh,

I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will be busy over the

weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the chart and give the

comments, otherwise just wait for some time during the week when I get

a chance I shall respond.

Please continue discussion till then. In the mean time, I suggest all

to time the marriage and other events in clear fashion and that will

demonstrate how to time other events and will be helpful for new

joining members who in time can refer back to your approach.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " aarceemastro2002 "

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by other members also.

> Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , Anup <dalh_1@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Ya, you are right that native

> possibly,wont get his money back,

> > here i think, for getting money back, we should also consider

> 12th house as loss of money instead 11th house, which represent

> gains.Sun and Saturn are opposing in navmsa as sun is 12th from 2nd

> house in natal chart and the the Sat is current antra.

> > It wiill be very hard to take his money back, no doubt.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that

> you have hold the good understandings of KAS .

> > However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether

> he will be able to get his blocked money back in future.

> > The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

> > As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd

> house with 6 bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

> > 7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the

> current running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

> > The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka

> for 2nd is Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his

> malefic aspect on 2nd house.

> > Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd)

> and aspected by Su in navamsa.

> > Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal

> matters) posited strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic

> aspect on house E and karak Ma of 2nd house.

> > Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

> > So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his

> blocked money back.

> > May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I

> am wrong.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might

> affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

> from 1990 onwards.

> > Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

> >

> > Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

> > Second house also relate to money matters too.

> > Second lord gives worries for no reason.

> > And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

> > Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

> >

> > In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

> > Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes,

> status in society debts etc.

> > The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

> >

> > Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good

> business too as these points are in ascending order.

> > The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to

> inputs.

> > iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of

> the houses as well.

> > So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental

> agony and matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key

> role as LOD or LOE.

> >

> > If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the

> native have done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And

> in rest of the antras, his expenditures were more than he had earned,

> showing obvious cause for his financial position.

> >

> > For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

> > And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in

> summary chart.

> >

> > The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra

> to some extent.

> > Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and

> Mars antra too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative

> periods.

> >

> > in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

> > I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both

> the houses.

> > After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the

> position might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th

> house , will be representing VENUS.

> > Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will

> request other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all

> members,

> > I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of

> the .It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

> > The birth details of male native is as under.

> > TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

> > This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last

> 16 years or from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a

> substantial sum of money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

> > For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

> > 1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

> > 2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

> > 3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

> > 4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

> > 5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

> > I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also

> seems to be correct.

> > His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time

> constraint. However I shall do that .

> > Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your

> comment is also invited.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger

> >

April 14, 2007

Thanks Ash ! We shall be anxiously waiting for your comment and observations in

due course of time.Please take your own time.

You are right Sir, meantime we shall see the other events also .

Have a nice schedule.

Regards.

Ramesh Mishra

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will be busy over the

weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the chart and give the

comments, otherwise just wait for some time during the week when I get

a chance I shall respond.

Please continue discussion till then. In the mean time, I suggest all

to time the marriage and other events in clear fashion and that will

demonstrate how to time other events and will be helpful for new

joining members who in time can refer back to your approach.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " aarceemastro2002 "

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by other members also.

> Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , Anup <dalh_1@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Ya, you are right that native

> possibly,wont get his money back,

> > here i think, for getting money back, we should also consider

> 12th house as loss of money instead 11th house, which represent

> gains.Sun and Saturn are opposing in navmsa as sun is 12th from 2nd

> house in natal chart and the the Sat is current antra.

> > It wiill be very hard to take his money back, no doubt.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that

> you have hold the good understandings of KAS .

> > However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether

> he will be able to get his blocked money back in future.

> > The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

> > As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd

> house with 6 bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

> > 7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the

> current running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

> > The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka

> for 2nd is Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his

> malefic aspect on 2nd house.

> > Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd)

> and aspected by Su in navamsa.

> > Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal

> matters) posited strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic

> aspect on house E and karak Ma of 2nd house.

> > Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

> > So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his

> blocked money back.

> > May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I

> am wrong.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might

> affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

> from 1990 onwards.

> > Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

> >

> > Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

> > Second house also relate to money matters too.

> > Second lord gives worries for no reason.

> > And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

> > Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

> >

> > In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

> > Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes,

> status in society debts etc.

> > The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

> >

> > Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good

> business too as these points are in ascending order.

> > The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to

> inputs.

> > iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of

> the houses as well.

> > So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental

> agony and matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key

> role as LOD or LOE.

> >

> > If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the

> native have done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And

> in rest of the antras, his expenditures were more than he had earned,

> showing obvious cause for his financial position.

> >

> > For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

> > And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in

> summary chart.

> >

> > The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra

> to some extent.

> > Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and

> Mars antra too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative

> periods.

> >

> > in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

> > I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both

> the houses.

> > After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the

> position might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th

> house , will be representing VENUS.

> > Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will

> request other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all

> members,

> > I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of

> the .It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

> > The birth details of male native is as under.

> > TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

> > This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last

> 16 years or from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a

> substantial sum of money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

> > For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

> > 1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

> > 2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

> > 3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

> > 4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

> > 5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

> > I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also

> seems to be correct.

> > His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time

> constraint. However I shall do that .

> > Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your

> comment is also invited.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger

> >

April 15, 2007

Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

Let us verify all events for the authentication of his birth time.

First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa main

There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is caused by Ju which will be

over at the age of 24 years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara will be

that of Ve is Sa main.

Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in house A so he will not give

result.

The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes 4:10 relationship with Sa

the 6th lord so Mo is also incompetent to give the result.

The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10 relationship with Sa in rasi and

in navamsa as well ,will not give the marriage.

So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in this chart could not give

event in its sub.May be Mo is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord.Here Sa becomes

poweful taking points from Ma the planet in 4th place

2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and karak lord for 7th.

The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house D. Ra is fully capable to

give result of marriage.So he gave marriage in its second sector.

There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place in second sector.

On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and

LoC and Ma is LoD.

Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa main.

As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is powerful in all houses and Ma is

powerful in 7th, 11th and 12th houses only.

Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave conception to his wife some

time in the month of Jan 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in the

conception time period.

For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but natural karak Ju is also weak.

Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is Me. Ra is in 12th from

5th.I do not understand how Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

Probability might be due to conception in Ra antara.This is a bit out of line.

3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa main.

Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara of Me main.

9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is weak in WS for 9th.Two

malefics namely Sa and Ra is present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house

C so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will do the job of Ma.

Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the weakest planet in WS.LoD

and LoE is Su and Ma respectively. Me is SD to Su.

Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th. On the other hand Me as

stated is the weakest planet.

But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not the strongest planet.

This event does not come in line as per KAS.

One more point to be observed third lord of life of father has more (10 )

points than that of 4th (only 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from 9th of father ) then LoD

is Me but this is also having only 10 points in WS so the death due to disease

also is ruled out.

I could not find the death in line.

4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me main.

This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord from the 3rd house of

mother like Me is 3rd lord from 9th of father.

I think death issue is more complicated and we should practice more.

If any of you can clear it then it will be good lessons for learning.

After analysing the above events I reached to the conclusion that time of

birth needs some adjustments.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will be busy over the

weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the chart and give the

comments, otherwise just wait for some time during the week when I get

a chance I shall respond.

Please continue discussion till then. In the mean time, I suggest all

to time the marriage and other events in clear fashion and that will

demonstrate how to time other events and will be helpful for new

joining members who in time can refer back to your approach.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " aarceemastro2002 "

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by other members also.

> Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , Anup <dalh_1@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Ya, you are right that native

> possibly,wont get his money back,

> > here i think, for getting money back, we should also consider

> 12th house as loss of money instead 11th house, which represent

> gains.Sun and Saturn are opposing in navmsa as sun is 12th from 2nd

> house in natal chart and the the Sat is current antra.

> > It wiill be very hard to take his money back, no doubt.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that

> you have hold the good understandings of KAS .

> > However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether

> he will be able to get his blocked money back in future.

> > The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

> > As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd

> house with 6 bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

> > 7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the

> current running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

> > The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka

> for 2nd is Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his

> malefic aspect on 2nd house.

> > Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd)

> and aspected by Su in navamsa.

> > Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal

> matters) posited strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic

> aspect on house E and karak Ma of 2nd house.

> > Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

> > So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his

> blocked money back.

> > May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I

> am wrong.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might

> affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

> from 1990 onwards.

> > Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

> >

> > Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

> > Second house also relate to money matters too.

> > Second lord gives worries for no reason.

> > And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

> > Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

> >

> > In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

> > Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes,

> status in society debts etc.

> > The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

> >

> > Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good

> business too as these points are in ascending order.

> > The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to

> inputs.

> > iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of

> the houses as well.

> > So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental

> agony and matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key

> role as LOD or LOE.

> >

> > If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the

> native have done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And

> in rest of the antras, his expenditures were more than he had earned,

> showing obvious cause for his financial position.

> >

> > For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

> > And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in

> summary chart.

> >

> > The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra

> to some extent.

> > Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and

> Mars antra too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative

> periods.

> >

> > in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

> > I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both

> the houses.

> > After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the

> position might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th

> house , will be representing VENUS.

> > Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will

> request other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all

> members,

> > I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of

> the .It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

> > The birth details of male native is as under.

> > TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

> > This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last

> 16 years or from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a

> substantial sum of money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

> > For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

> > 1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

> > 2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

> > 3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

> > 4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

> > 5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

> > I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also

> seems to be correct.

> > His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time

> constraint. However I shall do that .

> > Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your

> comment is also invited.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger

> >

April 15, 2007

Dear Ramesh,

You have given a wide and nice explanation about why the

incidents were in line, like, marriage, child birth,except of death.I wld like

to write that while Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given both the

reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting

karka and karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat taking points from

Mars.Such aspect always spoil the result for a house B.

Regards

Anup

T

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

Let us verify all events for the authentication of his birth time.

First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa main

There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is caused by Ju which will be

over at the age of 24 years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara will be

that of Ve is Sa main.

Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in house A so he will not give

result.

The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes 4:10 relationship with Sa

the 6th lord so Mo is also incompetent to give the result.

The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10 relationship with Sa in rasi and

in navamsa as well ,will not give the marriage.

So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in this chart could not give

event in its sub.May be Mo is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord.Here Sa becomes

poweful taking points from Ma the planet in 4th place

2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and karak lord for 7th.

The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house D. Ra is fully capable to

give result of marriage.So he gave marriage in its second sector.

There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place in second sector.

On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC

and Ma is LoD.

Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa main.

As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is powerful in all houses and Ma is

powerful in 7th, 11th and 12th houses only.

Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave conception to his wife some

time in the month of Jan 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in the

conception time period.

For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but natural karak Ju is also weak.

Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is Me. Ra is in 12th from

5th.I do not understand how Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

Probability might be due to conception in Ra antara.This is a bit out of line.

3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa main.

Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara of Me main.

9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is weak in WS for 9th.Two

malefics namely Sa and Ra is present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house

C so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will do the job of Ma.

Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the weakest planet in WS.LoD and

LoE is Su and Ma respectively. Me is SD to Su.

Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th. On the other hand Me as

stated is the weakest planet.

But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not the strongest planet.

This event does not come in line as per KAS.

One more point to be observed third lord of life of father has more (10 ) points

than that of 4th (only 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from 9th of father ) then LoD is

Me but this is also having only 10 points in WS so the death due to disease also

is ruled out.

I could not find the death in line.

4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me main.

This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord from the 3rd house of mother

like Me is 3rd lord from 9th of father.

I think death issue is more complicated and we should practice more.

If any of you can clear it then it will be good lessons for learning.

After analysing the above events I reached to the conclusion that time of birth

needs some adjustments.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will be busy over the

weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the chart and give the

comments, otherwise just wait for some time during the week when I get

a chance I shall respond.

Please continue discussion till then. In the mean time, I suggest all

to time the marriage and other events in clear fashion and that will

demonstrate how to time other events and will be helpful for new

joining members who in time can refer back to your approach.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " aarceemastro2002 "

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by other members also.

> Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , Anup <dalh_1@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Ya, you are right that native

> possibly,wont get his money back,

> > here i think, for getting money back, we should also consider

> 12th house as loss of money instead 11th house, which represent

> gains.Sun and Saturn are opposing in navmsa as sun is 12th from 2nd

> house in natal chart and the the Sat is current antra.

> > It wiill be very hard to take his money back, no doubt.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that

> you have hold the good understandings of KAS .

> > However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether

> he will be able to get his blocked money back in future.

> > The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

> > As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd

> house with 6 bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

> > 7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the

> current running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

> > The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka

> for 2nd is Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his

> malefic aspect on 2nd house.

> > Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd)

> and aspected by Su in navamsa.

> > Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal

> matters) posited strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic

> aspect on house E and karak Ma of 2nd house.

> > Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

> > So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his

> blocked money back.

> > May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I

> am wrong.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might

> affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

> from 1990 onwards.

> > Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

> >

> > Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

> > Second house also relate to money matters too.

> > Second lord gives worries for no reason.

> > And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

> > Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

> >

> > In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

> > Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes,

> status in society debts etc.

> > The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

> >

> > Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good

> business too as these points are in ascending order.

> > The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to

> inputs.

> > iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of

> the houses as well.

> > So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental

> agony and matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key

> role as LOD or LOE.

> >

> > If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the

> native have done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And

> in rest of the antras, his expenditures were more than he had earned,

> showing obvious cause for his financial position.

> >

> > For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

> > And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in

> summary chart.

> >

> > The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra

> to some extent.

> > Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and

> Mars antra too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative

> periods.

> >

> > in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

> > I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both

> the houses.

> > After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the

> position might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th

> house , will be representing VENUS.

> > Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will

> request other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all

> members,

> > I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of

> the .It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

> > The birth details of male native is as under.

> > TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

> > This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last

> 16 years or from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a

> substantial sum of money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

> > For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

> > 1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

> > 2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

> > 3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

> > 4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

> > 5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

> > I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also

> seems to be correct.

> > His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time

> constraint. However I shall do that .

> > Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your

> comment is also invited.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger

> >

April 15, 2007

Dear Anup,

I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember when you pointed out to me.

As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic aspect.Therefore my point

no.2 for Ma may be ignored.

Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result due to 4:10 relationship

between Sa and Ma.

Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B owing to lordship of house

D.

I observed one more reason.

Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic aspect on B and in opposition

to Mo and Ma.Ju is also spoiled in navamsa.

Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

Regards.

Ramesh Mishra

Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

You have given a wide and nice explanation about why the incidents were in line,

like, marriage, child birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given both the reasoning, why Mars

antra didnt emerge as eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat taking points from Mars.Such

aspect always spoil the result for a house B.

Regards

Anup

T

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

Let us verify all events for the authentication of his birth time.

First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa main

There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is caused by Ju which will be

over at the age of 24 years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara will be

that of Ve is Sa main.

Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in house A so he will not give

result.

The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes 4:10 relationship with Sa

the 6th lord so Mo is also incompetent to give the result.

The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10 relationship with Sa in rasi and

in navamsa as well ,will not give the marriage.

So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in this chart could not give

event in its sub.May be Mo is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord.Here Sa becomes

poweful taking points from Ma the planet in 4th place

2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and karak lord for 7th.

The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house D. Ra is fully capable to

give result of marriage.So he gave marriage in its second sector.

There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place in second sector.

On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC

and Ma is LoD.

Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa main.

As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is powerful in all houses and Ma is

powerful in 7th, 11th and 12th houses only.

Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave conception to his wife some

time in the month of Jan 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in the

conception time period.

For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but natural karak Ju is also weak.

Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is Me. Ra is in 12th from

5th.I do not understand how Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

Probability might be due to conception in Ra antara.This is a bit out of line.

3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa main.

Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara of Me main.

9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is weak in WS for 9th.Two

malefics namely Sa and Ra is present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house

C so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will do the job of Ma.

Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the weakest planet in WS.LoD and

LoE is Su and Ma respectively. Me is SD to Su.

Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th. On the other hand Me as

stated is the weakest planet.

But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not the strongest planet.

This event does not come in line as per KAS.

One more point to be observed third lord of life of father has more (10 ) points

than that of 4th (only 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from 9th of father ) then LoD is

Me but this is also having only 10 points in WS so the death due to disease also

is ruled out.

I could not find the death in line.

4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me main.

This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord from the 3rd house of mother

like Me is 3rd lord from 9th of father.

I think death issue is more complicated and we should practice more.

If any of you can clear it then it will be good lessons for learning.

After analysing the above events I reached to the conclusion that time of birth

needs some adjustments.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will be busy over the

weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the chart and give the

comments, otherwise just wait for some time during the week when I get

a chance I shall respond.

Please continue discussion till then. In the mean time, I suggest all

to time the marriage and other events in clear fashion and that will

demonstrate how to time other events and will be helpful for new

joining members who in time can refer back to your approach.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " aarceemastro2002 "

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by other members also.

> Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , Anup <dalh_1@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Ya, you are right that native

> possibly,wont get his money back,

> > here i think, for getting money back, we should also consider

> 12th house as loss of money instead 11th house, which represent

> gains.Sun and Saturn are opposing in navmsa as sun is 12th from 2nd

> house in natal chart and the the Sat is current antra.

> > It wiill be very hard to take his money back, no doubt.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that

> you have hold the good understandings of KAS .

> > However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether

> he will be able to get his blocked money back in future.

> > The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

> > As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd

> house with 6 bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

> > 7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the

> current running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

> > The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka

> for 2nd is Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his

> malefic aspect on 2nd house.

> > Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd)

> and aspected by Su in navamsa.

> > Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal

> matters) posited strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic

> aspect on house E and karak Ma of 2nd house.

> > Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

> > So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his

> blocked money back.

> > May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I

> am wrong.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might

> affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

> from 1990 onwards.

> > Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

> >

> > Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

> > Second house also relate to money matters too.

> > Second lord gives worries for no reason.

> > And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

> > Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

> >

> > In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

> > Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes,

> status in society debts etc.

> > The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

> >

> > Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good

> business too as these points are in ascending order.

> > The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to

> inputs.

> > iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of

> the houses as well.

> > So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental

> agony and matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key

> role as LOD or LOE.

> >

> > If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the

> native have done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And

> in rest of the antras, his expenditures were more than he had earned,

> showing obvious cause for his financial position.

> >

> > For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

> > And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in

> summary chart.

> >

> > The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra

> to some extent.

> > Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and

> Mars antra too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative

> periods.

> >

> > in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

> > I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both

> the houses.

> > After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the

> position might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th

> house , will be representing VENUS.

> > Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will

> request other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all

> members,

> > I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of

> the .It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

> > The birth details of male native is as under.

> > TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

> > This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last

> 16 years or from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a

> substantial sum of money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

> > For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

> > 1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

> > 2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

> > 3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

> > 4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

> > 5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

> > I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also

> seems to be correct.

> > His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time

> constraint. However I shall do that .

> > Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your

> comment is also invited.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger

> >

April 15, 2007

Dear Ramesh,

While thinking, why Mars antra didnt give the

event.i stuck up.

Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,Mer.

Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th house.

Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) , so it wont come forward for

Mars.

I presume this might be the reason too.

I hope you will explain this point.

The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming samdharmi , i think and not for

stoping the event

from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points from Mars from 4th house.

Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house B, and if any planet

aspects house A, B and C, it wnt give the result for house B.

I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being a senior:)

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup,

I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember when you pointed out to me.

As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic aspect.Therefore my point no.2

for Ma may be ignored.

Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result due to 4:10 relationship

between Sa and Ma.

Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B owing to lordship of house D.

I observed one more reason.

Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic aspect on B and in opposition

to Mo and Ma.Ju is also spoiled in navamsa.

Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

Regards.

Ramesh Mishra

Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

You have given a wide and nice explanation about why the incidents were in line,

like, marriage, child birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given both the reasoning, why Mars

antra didnt emerge as eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat taking points from Mars.Such

aspect always spoil the result for a house B.

Regards

Anup

T

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

Let us verify all events for the authentication of his birth time.

First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa main

There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is caused by Ju which will be

over at the age of 24 years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara will be

that of Ve is Sa main.

Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in house A so he will not give

result.

The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes 4:10 relationship with Sa

the 6th lord so Mo is also incompetent to give the result.

The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10 relationship with Sa in rasi and

in navamsa as well ,will not give the marriage.

So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in this chart could not give

event in its sub.May be Mo is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord.Here Sa becomes

poweful taking points from Ma the planet in 4th place

2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and karak lord for 7th.

The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house D. Ra is fully capable to

give result of marriage.So he gave marriage in its second sector.

There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place in second sector.

On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC

and Ma is LoD.

Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa main.

As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is powerful in all houses and Ma is

powerful in 7th, 11th and 12th houses only.

Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave conception to his wife some

time in the month of Jan 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in the

conception time period.

For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but natural karak Ju is also weak.

Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is Me. Ra is in 12th from

5th.I do not understand how Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

Probability might be due to conception in Ra antara.This is a bit out of line.

3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa main.

Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara of Me main.

9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is weak in WS for 9th.Two

malefics namely Sa and Ra is present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house

C so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will do the job of Ma.

Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the weakest planet in WS.LoD and

LoE is Su and Ma respectively. Me is SD to Su.

Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th. On the other hand Me as

stated is the weakest planet.

But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not the strongest planet.

This event does not come in line as per KAS.

One more point to be observed third lord of life of father has more (10 ) points

than that of 4th (only 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from 9th of father ) then LoD is

Me but this is also having only 10 points in WS so the death due to disease also

is ruled out.

I could not find the death in line.

4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me main.

This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord from the 3rd house of mother

like Me is 3rd lord from 9th of father.

I think death issue is more complicated and we should practice more.

If any of you can clear it then it will be good lessons for learning.

After analysing the above events I reached to the conclusion that time of birth

needs some adjustments.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will be busy over the

weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the chart and give the

comments, otherwise just wait for some time during the week when I get

a chance I shall respond.

Please continue discussion till then. In the mean time, I suggest all

to time the marriage and other events in clear fashion and that will

demonstrate how to time other events and will be helpful for new

joining members who in time can refer back to your approach.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " aarceemastro2002 "

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by other members also.

> Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , Anup <dalh_1@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Ya, you are right that native

> possibly,wont get his money back,

> > here i think, for getting money back, we should also consider

> 12th house as loss of money instead 11th house, which represent

> gains.Sun and Saturn are opposing in navmsa as sun is 12th from 2nd

> house in natal chart and the the Sat is current antra.

> > It wiill be very hard to take his money back, no doubt.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > Very nice explanation and excellent observations.This reveals that

> you have hold the good understandings of KAS .

> > However you overlooked the main point of the native query.Whether

> he will be able to get his blocked money back in future.

> > The native is passing through Sa antara in his Me MD.

> > As usual Me the 2nd lord, Karkak for 7th is strongly posited in 2nd

> house with 6 bindus so karkatwa of 7th should be good.

> > 7th is house of E for 2nd ( dhan sthaan) and LoE for 2nd is Sa the

> current running antara. Sa has highest point for 2nd.

> > The problem is Su being 12th lord from 2nd is in house B and karaka

> for 2nd is Ma who is in house E with 5 bindus thus casting his

> malefic aspect on 2nd house.

> > Sa is also LoC for 2nd and is in the navamsa of Su (12th of 2 nd)

> and aspected by Su in navamsa.

> > Second point, Ju is 12th lord of 6th house (litigation, legal

> matters) posited strongly in lagna with 5 bindus and casting malefic

> aspect on house E and karak Ma of 2nd house.

> > Ma and Ju both are in opposition so they will oppose each other.

> > So I have come to the conclusion that the native may not get his

> blocked money back.

> > May you kindly shed light on this point.Also please correct me if I

> am wrong.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > To start with, let me write one by one each factor which might

> affect the situation.Here we have to describe the quality of event

> from 1990 onwards.

> > Since March1991 to March2008 he is running thru Mercury MD

> >

> > Mer is lord of 2nd in 2nd house itself.

> > Second house also relate to money matters too.

> > Second lord gives worries for no reason.

> > And the Mahadasa is of second lord.

> > Mer is lord of 11th in rashi and lord of 10th in navmsa

> >

> > In the SARVA chart, there is one zero in 9th house of Mercury too.

> > Mer is LoE for 6th house matters like court matters,disputes,

> status in society debts etc.

> > The chart shows one zero in 2nd hosue of D-3 and 12th house in D-30

> >

> > Now DBCE points from lagna shows the native must be doing sm good

> business too as these points are in ascending order.

> > The points of 11th house shows a good income too as compared to

> inputs.

> > iN summary chart, Mars, Moon ,Sun and Mercury are weak in most of

> the houses as well.

> > So during these sub-periods the native might have suffered mental

> agony and matters related to 11th houses,when they have to play key

> role as LOD or LOE.

> >

> > If we compare 11th v/s 12th house points , it is obvious that the

> native have done fairly only in Jup and in Sat antras for savings.And

> in rest of the antras, his expenditures were more than he had earned,

> showing obvious cause for his financial position.

> >

> > For 11th house, Jup and Mars are LOD and LOE respecively.

> > And Mars is weak, having less than 12 pts almost in 9 houses in

> summary chart.

> >

> > The native might have improved his financial position Venus antra

> to some extent.

> > Besides this, he might have also suffered financially in Jup and

> Mars antra too.Which we can see in natal dasas chart the relative

> periods.

> >

> > in both of 11th and 12th house ,Mars is LOE and LOD.

> > I think we sld not expect better results form Mars as such in both

> the houses.

> > After 30th March 2008, KETU mahadasa will start and hopefully, the

> position might be better than previous Mercury MD as ketu in 10th

> house , will be representing VENUS.

> > Though many points from my side might have left or escaped , i will

> request other members to let us know the remaining reasons.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Sindhu, Harjeet, Dadhi, Bala, Satish and all

> members,

> > I had picked up a very interesting chart for discussion from one of

> the .It may be helpful to us for learning purpose of KAS.

> > The birth details of male native is as under.

> > TOB-19 Sep 1956, TOB-05:30 AM, POB- 22 N 35, 88 E 23 India.

> > This person is passing through a tense phase of life .For the last

> 16 years or from Sep/Oct 1990 he is fighting a litigation involving a

> substantial sum of money blocked.Can he ever get it ?

> > For the validation of his birth time he has given some past events.

> > 1. Married on 05 Dec 1986 in second sector of Ra antara in Sa MD.

> > 2.Daughter was born on 02 Oct 1987- Sa/Ra

> > 3.Son was born on 10 Jan 1990- Sa- Ju

> > 4.His father expired on 08 Apr1991- Me-Me

> > 5.His mother died on 10 Jun 2004.

> > I analysed his above two dates and found in line and third also

> seems to be correct.

> > His fourth and fifth dates could not analyse due to time

> constraint. However I shall do that .

> > Let us see how many of you take interest in this chart and your

> comment is also invited.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

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April 15, 2007

Dear Anup,

My comments are in Caps.

--- Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> While thinking, why

> Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> house.

> Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> so it wont come forward for Mars.

> I presume this might be the reason too.

> I hope you will explain this point.

> The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> from Mars from 4th house.

> Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

7TH.

> Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> wnt give the result for house B.

CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

FROM MARS.

RAMESH MISHRA

> I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> a senior:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> when you pointed out to me.

> As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> ignored.

> Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> owing to lordship of house D.

> I observed one more reason.

> Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> also spoiled in navamsa.

> Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> result for a house B.

> Regards

> Anup

> T

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> his birth time.

> First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> main

> There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> house A so he will not give result.

> The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> incompetent to give the result.

> The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> ,will not give the marriage.

> So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> Ma the planet in 4th place

> 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> karak lord for 7th.

> The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> he gave marriage in its second sector.

> There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> in second sector.

> On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

>

> 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> main.

> As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> 11th and 12th houses only.

> Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> the conception time period.

> For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> natural karak Ju is also weak.

> Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> antara.This is a bit out of line.

>

> 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> main.

> Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

>

> 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> of Me main.

> 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> do the job of Ma.

> Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> planet.

> But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> the strongest planet.

> This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> disease also is ruled out.

> I could not find the death in line.

>

> 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> main.

> This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> from 9th of father.

>

> I think death issue is more complicated and we

> should practice more.

> If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> lessons for learning.

>

> After analysing the above events I reached to the

> conclusion that time of birth needs some

> adjustments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> be busy over the

> weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> chart and give the

> comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> the week when I get

> a chance I shall respond.

> Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> time, I suggest all

> to time the marriage and other events in clear

> fashion and that will

> demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> helpful for new

> joining members who in time can refer back to your

> approach.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> ,

> " aarceemastro2002 "

> <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> other members also.

> > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > Regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> > ,

> Anup <dalh_1@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > Ya, you are right that native

> > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> also consider

>

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April 15, 2007

Dear Ramesh,

Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in

opposite sign.

And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

Thanxs and Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup,

My comments are in Caps.

--- Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> While thinking, why

> Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> house.

> Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> so it wont come forward for Mars.

> I presume this might be the reason too.

> I hope you will explain this point.

> The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> from Mars from 4th house.

> Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

7TH.

> Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> wnt give the result for house B.

CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

FROM MARS.

RAMESH MISHRA

> I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> a senior:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> when you pointed out to me.

> As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> ignored.

> Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> owing to lordship of house D.

> I observed one more reason.

> Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> also spoiled in navamsa.

> Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> result for a house B.

> Regards

> Anup

> T

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> his birth time.

> First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> main

> There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> house A so he will not give result.

> The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> incompetent to give the result.

> The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> ,will not give the marriage.

> So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> Ma the planet in 4th place

> 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> karak lord for 7th.

> The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> he gave marriage in its second sector.

> There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> in second sector.

> On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

>

> 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> main.

> As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> 11th and 12th houses only.

> Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> the conception time period.

> For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> natural karak Ju is also weak.

> Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> antara.This is a bit out of line.

>

> 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> main.

> Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

>

> 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> of Me main.

> 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> do the job of Ma.

> Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> planet.

> But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> the strongest planet.

> This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> disease also is ruled out.

> I could not find the death in line.

>

> 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> main.

> This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> from 9th of father.

>

> I think death issue is more complicated and we

> should practice more.

> If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> lessons for learning.

>

> After analysing the above events I reached to the

> conclusion that time of birth needs some

> adjustments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> be busy over the

> weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> chart and give the

> comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> the week when I get

> a chance I shall respond.

> Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> time, I suggest all

> to time the marriage and other events in clear

> fashion and that will

> demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> helpful for new

> joining members who in time can refer back to your

> approach.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> ,

> " aarceemastro2002 "

> <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> other members also.

> > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > Regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> > ,

> Anup <dalh_1@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > Ya, you are right that native

> > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> also consider

>

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April 15, 2007

Dear Anup,

How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this chart.

Thanks and regards.'

Ramesh Mishra

Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

Thanxs and Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup,

My comments are in Caps.

--- Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> While thinking, why

> Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> house.

> Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> so it wont come forward for Mars.

> I presume this might be the reason too.

> I hope you will explain this point.

> The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> from Mars from 4th house.

> Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

7TH.

> Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> wnt give the result for house B.

CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

FROM MARS.

RAMESH MISHRA

> I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> a senior:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> when you pointed out to me.

> As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> ignored.

> Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> owing to lordship of house D.

> I observed one more reason.

> Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> also spoiled in navamsa.

> Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> result for a house B.

> Regards

> Anup

> T

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> his birth time.

> First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> main

> There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> house A so he will not give result.

> The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> incompetent to give the result.

> The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> ,will not give the marriage.

> So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> Ma the planet in 4th place

> 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> karak lord for 7th.

> The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> he gave marriage in its second sector.

> There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> in second sector.

> On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

>

> 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> main.

> As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> 11th and 12th houses only.

> Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> the conception time period.

> For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> natural karak Ju is also weak.

> Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> antara.This is a bit out of line.

>

> 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> main.

> Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

>

> 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> of Me main.

> 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> do the job of Ma.

> Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> planet.

> But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> the strongest planet.

> This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> disease also is ruled out.

> I could not find the death in line.

>

> 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> main.

> This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> from 9th of father.

>

> I think death issue is more complicated and we

> should practice more.

> If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> lessons for learning.

>

> After analysing the above events I reached to the

> conclusion that time of birth needs some

> adjustments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> be busy over the

> weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> chart and give the

> comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> the week when I get

> a chance I shall respond.

> Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> time, I suggest all

> to time the marriage and other events in clear

> fashion and that will

> demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> helpful for new

> joining members who in time can refer back to your

> approach.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> ,

> " aarceemastro2002 "

> <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> other members also.

> > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > Regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> > ,

> Anup <dalh_1@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > Ya, you are right that native

> > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> also consider

>

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Dear Ramesh ,

You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars

but vicaversa.But i already have written that i was stuck badly due to 6 hours

continous work.

I again thank you for this:)

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup,

How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this chart.

Thanks and regards.'

Ramesh Mishra

Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

Thanxs and Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup,

My comments are in Caps.

--- Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> While thinking, why

> Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> house.

> Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> so it wont come forward for Mars.

> I presume this might be the reason too.

> I hope you will explain this point.

> The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> from Mars from 4th house.

> Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

7TH.

> Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> wnt give the result for house B.

CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

FROM MARS.

RAMESH MISHRA

> I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> a senior:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> when you pointed out to me.

> As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> ignored.

> Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> owing to lordship of house D.

> I observed one more reason.

> Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> also spoiled in navamsa.

> Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> result for a house B.

> Regards

> Anup

> T

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> his birth time.

> First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> main

> There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> house A so he will not give result.

> The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> incompetent to give the result.

> The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> ,will not give the marriage.

> So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> Ma the planet in 4th place

> 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> karak lord for 7th.

> The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> he gave marriage in its second sector.

> There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> in second sector.

> On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

>

> 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> main.

> As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> 11th and 12th houses only.

> Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> the conception time period.

> For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> natural karak Ju is also weak.

> Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> antara.This is a bit out of line.

>

> 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> main.

> Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

>

> 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> of Me main.

> 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> do the job of Ma.

> Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> planet.

> But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> the strongest planet.

> This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> disease also is ruled out.

> I could not find the death in line.

>

> 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> main.

> This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> from 9th of father.

>

> I think death issue is more complicated and we

> should practice more.

> If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> lessons for learning.

>

> After analysing the above events I reached to the

> conclusion that time of birth needs some

> adjustments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> be busy over the

> weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> chart and give the

> comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> the week when I get

> a chance I shall respond.

> Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> time, I suggest all

> to time the marriage and other events in clear

> fashion and that will

> demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> helpful for new

> joining members who in time can refer back to your

> approach.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> ,

> " aarceemastro2002 "

> <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> other members also.

> > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > Regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> > ,

> Anup <dalh_1@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > Ya, you are right that native

> > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> also consider

>

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So Anup ! Thanks.Our discussion was going on legal problems in respect of this

chat and we shifted our track from the main subject.

Examining the correctness of birth time do you need birth rectification ?

I think asc will remain same but adjustments of few minutes time may require

to manage the time of event.

But problem arises with the event of death of his parents.

I could not find the MD and AD properly in line.To convince my self I said

the antara of 3rd lord from the house of mother and father gave the event.

This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

I found this problem not only in this chart but various other chart also.

Rarely I found the correct MD lord in the event of death.

Can you please examine the chart and find out the correct timing as per the

event.

After doing this exercise we may proceed further. No other members are

responding. May all of them be busy in their assignments.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh ,

You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars but vicaversa.But i already

have written that i was stuck badly due to 6 hours continous work.

I again thank you for this:)

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup,

How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this chart.

Thanks and regards.'

Ramesh Mishra

Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

Thanxs and Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup,

My comments are in Caps.

--- Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> While thinking, why

> Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> house.

> Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> so it wont come forward for Mars.

> I presume this might be the reason too.

> I hope you will explain this point.

> The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> from Mars from 4th house.

> Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

7TH.

> Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> wnt give the result for house B.

CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

FROM MARS.

RAMESH MISHRA

> I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> a senior:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> when you pointed out to me.

> As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> ignored.

> Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> owing to lordship of house D.

> I observed one more reason.

> Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> also spoiled in navamsa.

> Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> Regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> result for a house B.

> Regards

> Anup

> T

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> his birth time.

> First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> main

> There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> house A so he will not give result.

> The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> incompetent to give the result.

> The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> ,will not give the marriage.

> So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> Ma the planet in 4th place

> 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> karak lord for 7th.

> The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> he gave marriage in its second sector.

> There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> in second sector.

> On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

>

> 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> main.

> As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> 11th and 12th houses only.

> Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> the conception time period.

> For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> natural karak Ju is also weak.

> Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> antara.This is a bit out of line.

>

> 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> main.

> Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

>

> 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> of Me main.

> 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> do the job of Ma.

> Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> planet.

> But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> the strongest planet.

> This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> disease also is ruled out.

> I could not find the death in line.

>

> 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> main.

> This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> from 9th of father.

>

> I think death issue is more complicated and we

> should practice more.

> If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> lessons for learning.

>

> After analysing the above events I reached to the

> conclusion that time of birth needs some

> adjustments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> be busy over the

> weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> chart and give the

> comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> the week when I get

> a chance I shall respond.

> Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> time, I suggest all

> to time the marriage and other events in clear

> fashion and that will

> demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> helpful for new

> joining members who in time can refer back to your

> approach.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> ,

> " aarceemastro2002 "

> <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> other members also.

> > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > Regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> > ,

> Anup <dalh_1@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > Ya, you are right that native

> > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> also consider

>

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Dear Ramesh,

Death of Father is in LoD for 4th as B and death of father is in LoD

for 10th as B.

Death happens in Highest points or LoD or LoE and that is fitting in

this case.

Why do you say that it is not fitting w.r.t antra ?

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> So Anup ! Thanks.Our discussion was going on legal problems in

respect of this chat and we shifted our track from the main subject.

> Examining the correctness of birth time do you need birth

rectification ?

> I think asc will remain same but adjustments of few minutes time

may require to manage the time of event.

> But problem arises with the event of death of his parents.

> I could not find the MD and AD properly in line.To convince my

self I said the antara of 3rd lord from the house of mother and

father gave the event.

> This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

> I found this problem not only in this chart but various other

chart also. Rarely I found the correct MD lord in the event of death.

> Can you please examine the chart and find out the correct timing

as per the event.

> After doing this exercise we may proceed further. No other members

are responding. May all of them be busy in their assignments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh ,

> You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars but

vicaversa.But i already have written that i was stuck badly due to 6

hours continous work.

> I again thank you for this:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this

chart.

> Thanks and regards.'

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

> And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

> I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

> Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

> Thanxs and Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> My comments are in Caps.

>

> --- Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

>

> > Dear Ramesh,

> >

> > While thinking, why

> > Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> > Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

> HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

> IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> > Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> > Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> > house.

> > Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> > so it wont come forward for Mars.

> > I presume this might be the reason too.

> > I hope you will explain this point.

> > The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> > samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> > from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> > from Mars from 4th house.

> > Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

> SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

> MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

> 7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

> 7TH.

> > Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> > B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> > wnt give the result for house B.

> CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

> ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

> EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

> TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

> FROM MARS.

> RAMESH MISHRA

> > I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> > a senior:)

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> > when you pointed out to me.

> > As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> > aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> > ignored.

> > Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> > due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> > Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> > owing to lordship of house D.

> > I observed one more reason.

> > Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> > aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> > also spoiled in navamsa.

> > Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> > Regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> > the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> > birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> > Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> > both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> > eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> > karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> > taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> > result for a house B.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> > T

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> > Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> > his birth time.

> > First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> > main

> > There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> > caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> > years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> > will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> > Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> > house A so he will not give result.

> > The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> > 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> > incompetent to give the result.

> > The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> > relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> > ,will not give the marriage.

> > So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> > this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> > is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> > with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> > According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> > 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> > 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> > Ma the planet in 4th place

> > 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> > karak lord for 7th.

> > The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> > D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> > he gave marriage in its second sector.

> > There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> > in second sector.

> > On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> > nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> > Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

> >

> > 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> > main.

> > As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> > powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> > 11th and 12th houses only.

> > Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> > conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> > 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> > the conception time period.

> > For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> > natural karak Ju is also weak.

> > Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> > Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> > Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> > Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> > antara.This is a bit out of line.

> >

> > 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> > main.

> > Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

> >

> > 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> > of Me main.

> > 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> > weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> > present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> > so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> > do the job of Ma.

> > Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> > weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> > respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> > Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> > On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> > planet.

> > But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> > the strongest planet.

> > This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> > One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> > father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> > 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> > When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> > 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> > having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> > disease also is ruled out.

> > I could not find the death in line.

> >

> > 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> > main.

> > This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> > from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> > from 9th of father.

> >

> > I think death issue is more complicated and we

> > should practice more.

> > If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> > lessons for learning.

> >

> > After analysing the above events I reached to the

> > conclusion that time of birth needs some

> > adjustments.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> > be busy over the

> > weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> > chart and give the

> > comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> > the week when I get

> > a chance I shall respond.

> > Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> > time, I suggest all

> > to time the marriage and other events in clear

> > fashion and that will

> > demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> > helpful for new

> > joining members who in time can refer back to your

> > approach.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > ,

> > " aarceemastro2002 "

> > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> > other members also.

> > > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > > Regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > ,

> > Anup <dalh_1@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > Ya, you are right that native

> > > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> > also consider

> >

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April 16, 2007

Dear ASH,

Taking 4th house as house B, the lod is SUN and taking

10th house as

house B, Lod is Saturn.Am i right ?

Ritish

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

Death of Father is in LoD for 4th as B and death of father is in LoD

for 10th as B.

Death happens in Highest points or LoD or LoE and that is fitting in

this case.

Why do you say that it is not fitting w.r.t antra ?

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> So Anup ! Thanks.Our discussion was going on legal problems in

respect of this chat and we shifted our track from the main subject.

> Examining the correctness of birth time do you need birth

rectification ?

> I think asc will remain same but adjustments of few minutes time

may require to manage the time of event.

> But problem arises with the event of death of his parents.

> I could not find the MD and AD properly in line.To convince my

self I said the antara of 3rd lord from the house of mother and

father gave the event.

> This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

> I found this problem not only in this chart but various other

chart also. Rarely I found the correct MD lord in the event of death.

> Can you please examine the chart and find out the correct timing

as per the event.

> After doing this exercise we may proceed further. No other members

are responding. May all of them be busy in their assignments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh ,

> You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars but

vicaversa.But i already have written that i was stuck badly due to 6

hours continous work.

> I again thank you for this:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this

chart.

> Thanks and regards.'

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

> And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

> I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

> Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

> Thanxs and Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> My comments are in Caps.

>

> --- Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

>

> > Dear Ramesh,

> >

> > While thinking, why

> > Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> > Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

> HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

> IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> > Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> > Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> > house.

> > Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> > so it wont come forward for Mars.

> > I presume this might be the reason too.

> > I hope you will explain this point.

> > The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> > samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> > from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> > from Mars from 4th house.

> > Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

> SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

> MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

> 7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

> 7TH.

> > Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> > B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> > wnt give the result for house B.

> CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

> ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

> EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

> TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

> FROM MARS.

> RAMESH MISHRA

> > I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> > a senior:)

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> > when you pointed out to me.

> > As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> > aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> > ignored.

> > Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> > due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> > Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> > owing to lordship of house D.

> > I observed one more reason.

> > Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> > aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> > also spoiled in navamsa.

> > Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> > Regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> > the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> > birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> > Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> > both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> > eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> > karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> > taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> > result for a house B.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> > T

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> > Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> > his birth time.

> > First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> > main

> > There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> > caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> > years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> > will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> > Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> > house A so he will not give result.

> > The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> > 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> > incompetent to give the result.

> > The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> > relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> > ,will not give the marriage.

> > So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> > this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> > is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> > with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> > According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> > 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> > 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> > Ma the planet in 4th place

> > 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> > karak lord for 7th.

> > The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> > D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> > he gave marriage in its second sector.

> > There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> > in second sector.

> > On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> > nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> > Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

> >

> > 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> > main.

> > As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> > powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> > 11th and 12th houses only.

> > Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> > conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> > 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> > the conception time period.

> > For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> > natural karak Ju is also weak.

> > Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> > Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> > Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> > Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> > antara.This is a bit out of line.

> >

> > 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> > main.

> > Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

> >

> > 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> > of Me main.

> > 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> > weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> > present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> > so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> > do the job of Ma.

> > Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> > weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> > respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> > Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> > On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> > planet.

> > But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> > the strongest planet.

> > This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> > One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> > father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> > 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> > When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> > 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> > having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> > disease also is ruled out.

> > I could not find the death in line.

> >

> > 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> > main.

> > This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> > from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> > from 9th of father.

> >

> > I think death issue is more complicated and we

> > should practice more.

> > If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> > lessons for learning.

> >

> > After analysing the above events I reached to the

> > conclusion that time of birth needs some

> > adjustments.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> > be busy over the

> > weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> > chart and give the

> > comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> > the week when I get

> > a chance I shall respond.

> > Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> > time, I suggest all

> > to time the marriage and other events in clear

> > fashion and that will

> > demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> > helpful for new

> > joining members who in time can refer back to your

> > approach.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > ,

> > " aarceemastro2002 "

> > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> > other members also.

> > > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > > Regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > ,

> > Anup <dalh_1@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > Ya, you are right that native

> > > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> > also consider

> >

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> This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

Dear Ramesh,

I guess that here you are talking only regarding death.

Just another thing on my mind: Somehow, I've got an impression on KAS list

that MD lord is not relevent so much. It is true in timings, but for quality

it is very important. Please see below relevant email from Krushnaji:

all the best,

Dadhi

-----------------

Suppose a person marry in the mahadasha of

Venus. Now Venus is having NK for marriage. So

Marrital life can be said to be smooth. Now for a

perticular instant: Suppose Venus is lord of 4th and

11th house. Which can give result of eleventh, Sixth,

seventh, second. Now with the marriage, person must be

envolved with some things for Elenenth, Sixth etc.

Such Venus in it's sub can give marriage.

Now again suppose that Venus is situated in 2nd

house with more points. If married in Ve main , ve

sub, then person, must be having more worries.

Such marriage will be long term, but the

person may not be able to enjoy due to worries.

Thus the role of Mahadasha swami is more

important.

06/04/2003

---------------------

On 16 Apr 2007 07:11:53 -0700, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002

wrote:

>

> So Anup ! Thanks.Our discussion was going on legal problems in respect

> of this chat and we shifted our track from the main subject.

> Examining the correctness of birth time do you need birth rectification ?

> I think asc will remain same but adjustments of few minutes time may

> require to manage the time of event.

> But problem arises with the event of death of his parents.

> I could not find the MD and AD properly in line.To convince my self I said

> the antara of 3rd lord from the house of mother and father gave the event.

> This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

> I found this problem not only in this chart but various other chart also.

> Rarely I found the correct MD lord in the event of death.

> Can you please examine the chart and find out the correct timing as per

> the event.

> After doing this exercise we may proceed further. No other members are

> responding. May all of them be busy in their assignments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 <dalh_1%40>> wrote:

> Dear Ramesh ,

> You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars but vicaversa.But i

> already have written that i was stuck badly due to 6 hours continous work.

> I again thank you for this:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002<aarceemastro2002%40.co.in>>

> wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this chart.

> Thanks and regards.'

> Ramesh Mishra

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April 16, 2007

Dear Ritish and list members,

Ash made Typo. Please read 10 house as B for the death of mother.

(8th house from 3rd) .

krushna

" cancerleo .. " <softnok wrote:

Dear ASH,

Taking 4th house as house B, the lod is SUN and taking 10th house as

house B, Lod is Saturn.Am i right ?

Ritish

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

Death of Father is in LoD for 4th as B and death of father is in LoD

for 10th as B.

Death happens in Highest points or LoD or LoE and that is fitting in

this case.

Why do you say that it is not fitting w.r.t antra ?

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> So Anup ! Thanks.Our discussion was going on legal problems in

respect of this chat and we shifted our track from the main subject.

> Examining the correctness of birth time do you need birth

rectification ?

> I think asc will remain same but adjustments of few minutes time

may require to manage the time of event.

> But problem arises with the event of death of his parents.

> I could not find the MD and AD properly in line.To convince my

self I said the antara of 3rd lord from the house of mother and

father gave the event.

> This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

> I found this problem not only in this chart but various other

chart also. Rarely I found the correct MD lord in the event of death.

> Can you please examine the chart and find out the correct timing

as per the event.

> After doing this exercise we may proceed further. No other members

are responding. May all of them be busy in their assignments.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh ,

> You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars but

vicaversa.But i already have written that i was stuck badly due to 6

hours continous work.

> I again thank you for this:)

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this

chart.

> Thanks and regards.'

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

> Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

> And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

> I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

> Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

> Thanxs and Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup,

> My comments are in Caps.

>

> --- Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

>

> > Dear Ramesh,

> >

> > While thinking, why

> > Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> > Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

> HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

> IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> > Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> > Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> > house.

> > Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> > so it wont come forward for Mars.

> > I presume this might be the reason too.

> > I hope you will explain this point.

> > The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> > samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> > from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> > from Mars from 4th house.

> > Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

> SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

> MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

> 7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

> 7TH.

> > Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> > B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> > wnt give the result for house B.

> CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

> ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

> EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

> TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

> FROM MARS.

> RAMESH MISHRA

> > I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> > a senior:)

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> > when you pointed out to me.

> > As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> > aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> > ignored.

> > Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> > due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> > Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> > owing to lordship of house D.

> > I observed one more reason.

> > Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> > aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> > also spoiled in navamsa.

> > Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> > Regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1 wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> > the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> > birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> > Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> > both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> > eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> > karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> > taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> > result for a house B.

> > Regards

> > Anup

> > T

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> > Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> > his birth time.

> > First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> > main

> > There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> > caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> > years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> > will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> > Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> > house A so he will not give result.

> > The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> > 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> > incompetent to give the result.

> > The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> > relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> > ,will not give the marriage.

> > So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> > this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> > is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> > with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> > According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> > 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> > 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> > Ma the planet in 4th place

> > 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> > karak lord for 7th.

> > The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> > D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> > he gave marriage in its second sector.

> > There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> > in second sector.

> > On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> > nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> > Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

> >

> > 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> > main.

> > As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> > powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> > 11th and 12th houses only.

> > Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> > conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> > 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> > the conception time period.

> > For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> > natural karak Ju is also weak.

> > Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> > Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> > Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> > Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> > antara.This is a bit out of line.

> >

> > 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> > main.

> > Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

> >

> > 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> > of Me main.

> > 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> > weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> > present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> > so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> > do the job of Ma.

> > Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> > weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> > respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> > Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> > On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> > planet.

> > But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> > the strongest planet.

> > This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> > One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> > father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> > 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> > When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> > 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> > having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> > disease also is ruled out.

> > I could not find the death in line.

> >

> > 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> > main.

> > This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> > from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> > from 9th of father.

> >

> > I think death issue is more complicated and we

> > should practice more.

> > If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> > lessons for learning.

> >

> > After analysing the above events I reached to the

> > conclusion that time of birth needs some

> > adjustments.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> > be busy over the

> > weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> > chart and give the

> > comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> > the week when I get

> > a chance I shall respond.

> > Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> > time, I suggest all

> > to time the marriage and other events in clear

> > fashion and that will

> > demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> > helpful for new

> > joining members who in time can refer back to your

> > approach.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > ,

> > " aarceemastro2002 "

> > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> > other members also.

> > > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > > Regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > ,

> > Anup <dalh_1@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > Ya, you are right that native

> > > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> > also consider

> >

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April 16, 2007

Dear Ramesh and Ritish,

What am I doing wrong.

I entered data as

19 Sep 1956

5:30 AM

22N35

88E23

Planet Degrees

As 4 Vi 11

Su 3 Vi 40

Mo 20 Aq 37

MaR 23 Aq 39

MeR 18 Vi 11

Ju 22 Le 49

Ve 18 Cn 43

Sa 5 Sc 46

Ra 9 Sc 52

Ke 9 Ta 52

With this data, I am getting Death of father in Me antra which is LoD

for 4th as B and death of Mother in Ju antra which is LoD for 10th

which is in line.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " cancerleo .. "

<softnok wrote:

>

> Dear ASH,

> Taking 4th house as house B, the lod is

SUN and taking 10th house as

> house B, Lod is Saturn.Am i right ?

> Ritish

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> Death of Father is in LoD for 4th as B and death of father is in LoD

> for 10th as B.

>

> Death happens in Highest points or LoD or LoE and that is fitting in

> this case.

>

> Why do you say that it is not fitting w.r.t antra ?

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , ramesh mishra

> <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> >

> > So Anup ! Thanks.Our discussion was going on legal problems in

> respect of this chat and we shifted our track from the main subject.

> > Examining the correctness of birth time do you need birth

> rectification ?

> > I think asc will remain same but adjustments of few minutes time

> may require to manage the time of event.

> > But problem arises with the event of death of his parents.

> > I could not find the MD and AD properly in line.To convince my

> self I said the antara of 3rd lord from the house of mother and

> father gave the event.

> > This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

> > I found this problem not only in this chart but various other

> chart also. Rarely I found the correct MD lord in the event of death.

> > Can you please examine the chart and find out the correct timing

> as per the event.

> > After doing this exercise we may proceed further. No other members

> are responding. May all of them be busy in their assignments.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh ,

> > You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars but

> vicaversa.But i already have written that i was stuck badly due to 6

> hours continous work.

> > I again thank you for this:)

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this

> chart.

> > Thanks and regards.'

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

> > And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

> > I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

> > Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

> > Thanxs and Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > My comments are in Caps.

> >

> > --- Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > >

> > > While thinking, why

> > > Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> > > Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

> > HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

> > IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> > > Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> > > Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> > > house.

> > > Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> > > so it wont come forward for Mars.

> > > I presume this might be the reason too.

> > > I hope you will explain this point.

> > > The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> > > samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> > > from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> > > from Mars from 4th house.

> > > Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

> > SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

> > MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

> > 7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

> > 7TH.

> > > Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> > > B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> > > wnt give the result for house B.

> > CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

> > ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

> > EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

> > TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

> > FROM MARS.

> > RAMESH MISHRA

> > > I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> > > a senior:)

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > Dear Anup,

> > > I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> > > when you pointed out to me.

> > > As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> > > aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> > > ignored.

> > > Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> > > due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> > > Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> > > owing to lordship of house D.

> > > I observed one more reason.

> > > Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> > > aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> > > also spoiled in navamsa.

> > > Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> > > Regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> > > the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> > > birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> > > Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> > > both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> > > eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> > > karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> > > taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> > > result for a house B.

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > > T

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> > > Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> > > his birth time.

> > > First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> > > main

> > > There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> > > caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> > > years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> > > will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> > > Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> > > house A so he will not give result.

> > > The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> > > 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> > > incompetent to give the result.

> > > The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> > > relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> > > ,will not give the marriage.

> > > So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> > > this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> > > is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> > > with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> > > According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> > > 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> > > 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> > > Ma the planet in 4th place

> > > 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> > > karak lord for 7th.

> > > The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> > > D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> > > he gave marriage in its second sector.

> > > There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> > > in second sector.

> > > On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> > > nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> > > Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

> > >

> > > 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> > > main.

> > > As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> > > powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> > > 11th and 12th houses only.

> > > Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> > > conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> > > 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> > > the conception time period.

> > > For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> > > natural karak Ju is also weak.

> > > Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> > > Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> > > Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> > > Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> > > antara.This is a bit out of line.

> > >

> > > 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> > > main.

> > > Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

> > >

> > > 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> > > of Me main.

> > > 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> > > weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> > > present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> > > so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> > > do the job of Ma.

> > > Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> > > weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> > > respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> > > Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> > > On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> > > planet.

> > > But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> > > the strongest planet.

> > > This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> > > One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> > > father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> > > 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> > > When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> > > 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> > > having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> > > disease also is ruled out.

> > > I could not find the death in line.

> > >

> > > 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> > > main.

> > > This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> > > from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> > > from 9th of father.

> > >

> > > I think death issue is more complicated and we

> > > should practice more.

> > > If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> > > lessons for learning.

> > >

> > > After analysing the above events I reached to the

> > > conclusion that time of birth needs some

> > > adjustments.

> > > Thanks and regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> > > be busy over the

> > > weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> > > chart and give the

> > > comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> > > the week when I get

> > > a chance I shall respond.

> > > Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> > > time, I suggest all

> > > to time the marriage and other events in clear

> > > fashion and that will

> > > demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> > > helpful for new

> > > joining members who in time can refer back to your

> > > approach.

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > ,

> > > " aarceemastro2002 "

> > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> > > other members also.

> > > > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > > > Regards.

> > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > ,

> > > Anup <dalh_1@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > > Ya, you are right that native

> > > > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> > > also consider

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

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> it now at http://in.messenger./

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> >

April 16, 2007

Dear Ash,

You might have taken TOB as 05.30 which actually is

05.03.

Regards

Anup

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh and Ritish,

What am I doing wrong.

I entered data as

19 Sep 1956

5:30 AM

22N35

88E23

Planet Degrees

As 4 Vi 11

Su 3 Vi 40

Mo 20 Aq 37

MaR 23 Aq 39

MeR 18 Vi 11

Ju 22 Le 49

Ve 18 Cn 43

Sa 5 Sc 46

Ra 9 Sc 52

Ke 9 Ta 52

With this data, I am getting Death of father in Me antra which is LoD

for 4th as B and death of Mother in Ju antra which is LoD for 10th

which is in line.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " cancerleo .. "

<softnok wrote:

>

> Dear ASH,

> Taking 4th house as house B, the lod is

SUN and taking 10th house as

> house B, Lod is Saturn.Am i right ?

> Ritish

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> Death of Father is in LoD for 4th as B and death of father is in LoD

> for 10th as B.

>

> Death happens in Highest points or LoD or LoE and that is fitting in

> this case.

>

> Why do you say that it is not fitting w.r.t antra ?

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , ramesh mishra

> <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> >

> > So Anup ! Thanks.Our discussion was going on legal problems in

> respect of this chat and we shifted our track from the main subject.

> > Examining the correctness of birth time do you need birth

> rectification ?

> > I think asc will remain same but adjustments of few minutes time

> may require to manage the time of event.

> > But problem arises with the event of death of his parents.

> > I could not find the MD and AD properly in line.To convince my

> self I said the antara of 3rd lord from the house of mother and

> father gave the event.

> > This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

> > I found this problem not only in this chart but various other

> chart also. Rarely I found the correct MD lord in the event of death.

> > Can you please examine the chart and find out the correct timing

> as per the event.

> > After doing this exercise we may proceed further. No other members

> are responding. May all of them be busy in their assignments.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh ,

> > You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars but

> vicaversa.But i already have written that i was stuck badly due to 6

> hours continous work.

> > I again thank you for this:)

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this

> chart.

> > Thanks and regards.'

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

> > And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

> > I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

> > Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

> > Thanxs and Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > My comments are in Caps.

> >

> > --- Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > >

> > > While thinking, why

> > > Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> > > Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

> > HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

> > IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> > > Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> > > Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> > > house.

> > > Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> > > so it wont come forward for Mars.

> > > I presume this might be the reason too.

> > > I hope you will explain this point.

> > > The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> > > samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> > > from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> > > from Mars from 4th house.

> > > Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

> > SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

> > MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

> > 7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

> > 7TH.

> > > Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> > > B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> > > wnt give the result for house B.

> > CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

> > ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

> > EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

> > TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

> > FROM MARS.

> > RAMESH MISHRA

> > > I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> > > a senior:)

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > Dear Anup,

> > > I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> > > when you pointed out to me.

> > > As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> > > aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> > > ignored.

> > > Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> > > due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> > > Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> > > owing to lordship of house D.

> > > I observed one more reason.

> > > Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> > > aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> > > also spoiled in navamsa.

> > > Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> > > Regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> > > the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> > > birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> > > Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> > > both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> > > eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> > > karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> > > taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> > > result for a house B.

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > > T

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> > > Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> > > his birth time.

> > > First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> > > main

> > > There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> > > caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> > > years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> > > will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> > > Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> > > house A so he will not give result.

> > > The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> > > 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> > > incompetent to give the result.

> > > The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> > > relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> > > ,will not give the marriage.

> > > So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> > > this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> > > is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> > > with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> > > According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> > > 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> > > 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> > > Ma the planet in 4th place

> > > 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> > > karak lord for 7th.

> > > The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> > > D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> > > he gave marriage in its second sector.

> > > There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> > > in second sector.

> > > On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> > > nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> > > Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

> > >

> > > 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> > > main.

> > > As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> > > powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> > > 11th and 12th houses only.

> > > Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> > > conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> > > 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> > > the conception time period.

> > > For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> > > natural karak Ju is also weak.

> > > Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> > > Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> > > Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> > > Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> > > antara.This is a bit out of line.

> > >

> > > 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> > > main.

> > > Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

> > >

> > > 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> > > of Me main.

> > > 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> > > weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> > > present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> > > so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> > > do the job of Ma.

> > > Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> > > weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> > > respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> > > Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> > > On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> > > planet.

> > > But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> > > the strongest planet.

> > > This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> > > One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> > > father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> > > 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> > > When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> > > 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> > > having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> > > disease also is ruled out.

> > > I could not find the death in line.

> > >

> > > 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> > > main.

> > > This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> > > from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> > > from 9th of father.

> > >

> > > I think death issue is more complicated and we

> > > should practice more.

> > > If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> > > lessons for learning.

> > >

> > > After analysing the above events I reached to the

> > > conclusion that time of birth needs some

> > > adjustments.

> > > Thanks and regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> > > be busy over the

> > > weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> > > chart and give the

> > > comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> > > the week when I get

> > > a chance I shall respond.

> > > Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> > > time, I suggest all

> > > to time the marriage and other events in clear

> > > fashion and that will

> > > demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> > > helpful for new

> > > joining members who in time can refer back to your

> > > approach.

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > ,

> > > " aarceemastro2002 "

> > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> > > other members also.

> > > > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > > > Regards.

> > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > ,

> > > Anup <dalh_1@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > > Ya, you are right that native

> > > > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> > > also consider

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

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April 16, 2007

Dear Ash,

You might have taken TOB as 05.30 which actually is

05.03.

Regards

Anup

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Ritish,

What am I doing wrong.

I entered data as

19 Sep 1956

5:30 AM

22N35

88E23

Planet Degrees

As 4 Vi 11

Su 3 Vi 40

Mo 20 Aq 37

MaR 23 Aq 39

MeR 18 Vi 11

Ju 22 Le 49

Ve 18 Cn 43

Sa 5 Sc 46

Ra 9 Sc 52

Ke 9 Ta 52

With this data, I am getting Death of father in Me antra which is LoD

for 4th as B and death of Mother in Ju antra which is LoD for 10th

which is in line.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " cancerleo .. "

<softnok wrote:

>

> Dear ASH,

> Taking 4th house as house B, the lod is

SUN and taking 10th house as

> house B, Lod is Saturn.Am i right ?

> Ritish

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> Death of Father is in LoD for 4th as B and death of father is in LoD

> for 10th as B.

>

> Death happens in Highest points or LoD or LoE and that is fitting in

> this case.

>

> Why do you say that it is not fitting w.r.t antra ?

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , ramesh mishra

> <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> >

> > So Anup ! Thanks.Our discussion was going on legal problems in

> respect of this chat and we shifted our track from the main subject.

> > Examining the correctness of birth time do you need birth

> rectification ?

> > I think asc will remain same but adjustments of few minutes time

> may require to manage the time of event.

> > But problem arises with the event of death of his parents.

> > I could not find the MD and AD properly in line.To convince my

> self I said the antara of 3rd lord from the house of mother and

> father gave the event.

> > This MD lord does not tally according to the lessons of KAS.

> > I found this problem not only in this chart but various other

> chart also. Rarely I found the correct MD lord in the event of death.

> > Can you please examine the chart and find out the correct timing

> as per the event.

> > After doing this exercise we may proceed further. No other members

> are responding. May all of them be busy in their assignments.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh ,

> > You are very much right, that Mer is not SD to Mars but

> vicaversa.But i already have written that i was stuck badly due to 6

> hours continous work.

> > I again thank you for this:)

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > How do you say Me is SD to Ma? I do not find Me as SD to Ma in this

> chart.

> > Thanks and regards.'

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Thanxxs , yea Jup cant be SD to Mars and Moon as in opposite sign.

> > And Mars being LOD cldnt give the result being in 4:10 relationship.

> > I hope this will be enough explanation for the Mars antra.

> > Actually smtime overwork stuck smthing which one dnt find in a go.

> > Thanxs and Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > Dear Anup,

> > My comments are in Caps.

> >

> > --- Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > >

> > > While thinking, why

> > > Mars antra didnt give the event.i stuck up.

> > > Well. Mars is SD to Moon,Jup,

> > HERE MA AND MO CAN NOT BE SAMADHARMI TO JU BECAUSE JU

> > IS IN 1:7 FROM THEM. .

> > > Mars is LoD for 7th house and 12th house.

> > > Mer, being SD to Mars will come forward for 5th

> > > house.

> > > Mer (10pts)is weak in 2nd house as Mars (2pts) ,

> > > so it wont come forward for Mars.

> > > I presume this might be the reason too.

> > > I hope you will explain this point.

> > > The 4:10 relationship is valid for becoming

> > > samdharmi , i think and not for stoping the event

> > > from Mars.Sat is 6th lord and it can take points

> > > from Mars from 4th house.

> > > Can this stop the event to happen in that antra?

> > SINCE THERE IS 4:10 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SA AND

> > MA,THERE IS INFLUENCE OF SA ON MO,MA AND HOUSE B FOR

> > 7TH.SA IS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IN THE 10 PLACE FROM

> > 7TH.

> > > Another reason may be that Mars itself is in house

> > > B, and if any planet aspects house A, B and C, it

> > > wnt give the result for house B.

> > CORRECT.BUT MARS IS IN HOUSE B AND LOD FOR 7TH SO ITS

> > ASPECT ON ABC DOES NOT STOP HIM GIVING THE EVENT,HE IS

> > EAGER TO GIVE THE EVENT BUT DID NOT COME FORWARD DUE

> > TO PLACEMENT OF 6TH LORD IN 10TH PLACE WITH <4 BINDUS

> > FROM MARS.

> > RAMESH MISHRA

> > > I may be wrong but i hope you will explain , being

> > > a senior:)

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > Dear Anup,

> > > I forgot here in case of Ma aspect.Now I remember

> > > when you pointed out to me.

> > > As per lessons LoD or LoE never casts his malefic

> > > aspect.Therefore my point no.2 for Ma may be

> > > ignored.

> > > Only point no. 1 is valid for not giving its result

> > > due to 4:10 relationship between Sa and Ma.

> > > Ma being in house B will not spoil the result of B

> > > owing to lordship of house D.

> > > I observed one more reason.

> > > Ju being in lagna with 5 bindus cast his malefic

> > > aspect on B and in opposition to Mo and Ma.Ju is

> > > also spoiled in navamsa.

> > > Thanks for noticing the deficiencies.

> > > Regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > Anup <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > You have given a wide and nice explanation about why

> > > the incidents were in line, like, marriage, child

> > > birth,except of death.I wld like to write that while

> > > Calculating marriage antra for Mars, you have given

> > > both the reasoning, why Mars antra didnt emerge as

> > > eventful.I think as Mars was aspecting karka and

> > > karaksthana both,was a strong reason instead of Sat

> > > taking points from Mars.Such aspect always spoil the

> > > result for a house B.

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > > T

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Manu, Satish, Harjeet and all,

> > > Let us verify all events for the authentication of

> > > his birth time.

> > > First he married on 05 Dec 1986 in Ra antara of Sa

> > > main

> > > There is no delay by Sa in this chart but delay is

> > > caused by Ju which will be over at the age of 24

> > > years.The date will be 19 Sep 1980 and the antara

> > > will be that of Ve is Sa main.

> > > Next antara will be that of Su . Su is amlefic in

> > > house A so he will not give result.

> > > The following Mo antara is LoE weak in WS and makes

> > > 4:10 relationship with Sa the 6th lord so Mo is also

> > > incompetent to give the result.

> > > The next Ma antara though LoD is in also 4:10

> > > relationship with Sa in rasi and in navamsa as well

> > > ,will not give the marriage.

> > > So please notice here Mo and Ma being LoE and LoD in

> > > this chart could not give event in its sub.May be Mo

> > > is weak here but Ma is strongly posited in house B

> > > with 5 benefic points should have given marriage.

> > > According to my thinking there may be two reasons.

> > > 1.He is coming into 4:10 relationship with Sa the

> > > 6th lord.Here Sa becomes poweful taking points from

> > > Ma the planet in 4th place

> > > 2. Mars is casting his malefic aspect on karak and

> > > karak lord for 7th.

> > > The next Ra antara is SD to Ma and occupy 4th house

> > > D. Ra is fully capable to give result of marriage.So

> > > he gave marriage in its second sector.

> > > There is one zero in SAV chart so event took place

> > > in second sector.

> > > On the day of marriage Su was in Aq and in the

> > > nakshtra of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ma is LoD.

> > > Therefore the event of marriage is in line.

> > >

> > > 2.Birth of daughter on 02 Oxt 87 in Ra antara of Sa

> > > main.

> > > As we are aware Ra is SD of Ma and Sa. Sa is

> > > powerful in all houses and Ma is powerful in 7th,

> > > 11th and 12th houses only.

> > > Ma is LoD for 12th house of bed comfort so he gave

> > > conception to his wife some time in the month of Jan

> > > 1987 just after the marriage.There was no delay in

> > > the conception time period.

> > > For 5th house matter its karak Mo is weak but

> > > natural karak Ju is also weak.

> > > Ve the LoE is posited strongly in karak sthan.LoD is

> > > Me. Ra is in 12th from 5th.I do not understand how

> > > Ra antara gave birth to a female child.

> > > Probability might be due to conception in Ra

> > > antara.This is a bit out of line.

> > >

> > > 3.Birth of Son on 10 Jan 1990 in Ju antara of Sa

> > > main.

> > > Ju is LoE for 12th and Ju is SD to Ve LoE for 5th.

> > >

> > > 4. Death of his father on 08 Apr 1991 in Me antara

> > > of Me main.

> > > 9th house is the house of father and its karak Ma is

> > > weak in WS for 9th.Two malefics namely Sa and Ra is

> > > present in the karak sthaan.Karak Ma aspects house C

> > > so Ma main will not give the death but its SD will

> > > do the job of Ma.

> > > Me is karak for 4th ( 8th from 9th) as B. Me is the

> > > weakest planet in WS.LoD and LoE is Su and Ma

> > > respectively. Me is SD to Su.

> > > Here Su is not the strongest planet in WS for 4th.

> > > On the other hand Me as stated is the weakest

> > > planet.

> > > But Me is 3rd lord from 9th is the stronger and not

> > > the strongest planet.

> > > This event does not come in line as per KAS.

> > > One more point to be observed third lord of life of

> > > father has more (10 ) points than that of 4th (only

> > > 9 ).Of course both has <12 points.

> > > When you consider the 2nd (6th house of disease from

> > > 9th of father ) then LoD is Me but this is also

> > > having only 10 points in WS so the death due to

> > > disease also is ruled out.

> > > I could not find the death in line.

> > >

> > > 4.Death of Mother on 10 Jun 2004 in Ju antara of Me

> > > main.

> > > This also does not come in line but Ju is 3rd lord

> > > from the 3rd house of mother like Me is 3rd lord

> > > from 9th of father.

> > >

> > > I think death issue is more complicated and we

> > > should practice more.

> > > If any of you can clear it then it will be good

> > > lessons for learning.

> > >

> > > After analysing the above events I reached to the

> > > conclusion that time of birth needs some

> > > adjustments.

> > > Thanks and regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > I am right I am traveling on work in Ottawa. I will

> > > be busy over the

> > > weekend, but if i get a chance I will study the

> > > chart and give the

> > > comments, otherwise just wait for some time during

> > > the week when I get

> > > a chance I shall respond.

> > > Please continue discussion till then. In the mean

> > > time, I suggest all

> > > to time the marriage and other events in clear

> > > fashion and that will

> > > demonstrate how to time other events and will be

> > > helpful for new

> > > joining members who in time can refer back to your

> > > approach.

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > ,

> > > " aarceemastro2002 "

> > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Anup.Let us wait for comment and advices by

> > > other members also.

> > > > Let us see how Ash react upon our observations.

> > > > Regards.

> > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > ,

> > > Anup <dalh_1@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > > Ya, you are right that native

> > > > possibly,wont get his money back,

> > > > > here i think, for getting money back, we should

> > > also consider

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> > Send a FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger. Get

> it now at http://in.messenger./

> >

> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > Check outnew cars at Autos.

> >

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