effects of UL with rahu and shani for marriage

[Guest guest]

Dear Mukesh,

 

not necessarily. UL with Rahu and Shani signifies some afflictions

regarding spouse, but we have to see the following as well:

 

1. Are there any benefic rasi and graha drishtis on UL?

2. What are Rahu/Shani positions in D-9, D-60, D-7 and D-30?

 

Good positions or aspects can modify these position in a good way.

So, don't lose hope, try to remain optimistic.

 

Difficult to accept this world as it is.

 

Warmest Regards

Pascal

 

vedic astrology , " Mukesh verma "

<astromukesh wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> If UL is with Rahu and Shani in rasi, does it mean that the native

will not

> get married or will have a wife of low morals and bad character..?

> Does conjunction of UL, Rahu and Shani deprive the native of marital

bliss

> or will it mean a scandalous marriage to an immoral character wife..?

>

> thanks and regards,

> Mukesh Verma

>

> wish this world could be better...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mukesh Ji Namaskar,

UL with Ra and Sa shows wife should be

aged then you and also from different culture she could also be divorcee.

 

But please believe much on Arudha(Reflection) concept as it is totally wrong

imagination.Please dont consider it seriously and dont waste your time.

 

Thanks and Regards

Prashant Pandey

 

 

Mukesh verma <astromukesh wrote:

Dear All,

 

If UL is with Rahu and Shani in rasi, does it mean that the native will not

get married or will have a wife of low morals and bad character..?

Does conjunction of UL, Rahu and Shani deprive the native of marital bliss

or will it mean a scandalous marriage to an immoral character wife..?

 

thanks and regards,

Mukesh Verma

 

wish this world could be better...

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry i have written wrong second paragraphs openeing line.

 

It is :-

But please dont believe much on Arudha(reflection) concept asit is totally

wrong imagination.

 

Prashant <praspandey wrote:

Dear Mukesh Ji Namaskar,

UL with Ra and Sa shows wife should be aged then you and also from different

culture she could also be divorcee.

 

But please believe much on Arudha(Reflection) concept as it is totally wrong

imagination.Please dont consider it seriously and dont waste your time.

 

Thanks and Regards

Prashant Pandey

 

 

Mukesh verma <astromukesh wrote:

Dear All,

 

If UL is with Rahu and Shani in rasi, does it mean that the native will not

get married or will have a wife of low morals and bad character..?

Does conjunction of UL, Rahu and Shani deprive the native of marital bliss

or will it mean a scandalous marriage to an immoral character wife..?

 

thanks and regards,

Mukesh Verma

 

wish this world could be better...

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think this is correct. Arudhas do not always work fine, except AL,

Arudha Lagna, which seems to give correct results.

 

More important than UL are:

1. 7th Bhava, 2nd Bhava and perhaps 9th Bhava

2. Lords of 7th, 2nd and 9th Bhava

3. Moon and Venus as natural karakas

 

Look at these Lords also in D-9, D-7, D-60, look if these lords are

activated in Dasa (Vimshottari and Kalachakra Dasa, Ranghacharya

Method preferably). In my view Chara Dasa/Parashara and especially

Moola Dasa are excellent for timing all life events, too.

 

Greetings

Pascal

[Guest guest]

*kleem namah narasimhaaya*

Dear Prashant , Namaskar

 

Your statement is quite absurd. Arudhapada is very important whilst

judging earnings and siblings - refer to Parasara and dont connect word

'image' or 'imagination' to Arudhapada as Jaimini and Parasara has quite

wider idea whilst teaching of using the same. In the same way Upapada is

crucial to determine type of spouse and hapiness of marriage life.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

 

 

Prashant napisa?(a):

>

> Sorry i have written wrong second paragraphs openeing line.

>

> It is :-

> But please dont believe much on Arudha(reflection) concept asit is

> totally wrong imagination.

>

> Prashant <praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in <praspandey%40.co.in>>

> wrote:

> Dear Mukesh Ji Namaskar,

> UL with Ra and Sa shows wife should be aged then you and also from

> different culture she could also be divorcee.

>

> But please believe much on Arudha(Reflection) concept as it is totally

> wrong imagination. Please dont consider it seriously and dont waste

> your time.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Mukesh verma <astromukesh@ gmail.com <astromukesh%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> If UL is with Rahu and Shani in rasi, does it mean that the native

> will not

> get married or will have a wife of low morals and bad character..?

> Does conjunction of UL, Rahu and Shani deprive the native of marital bliss

> or will it mean a scandalous marriage to an immoral character wife..?

>

> thanks and regards,

> Mukesh Verma

>

> wish this world could be better...

>

>

[Guest guest]

*kleem namah narasimhaaya*

Dear Mukesh , Namaskar

 

It means that departed souls will afflict the marriage. Also a lot

depends on avastha of these in d1 and d9. Shani must influence both UL

and AL

to deny marriage with few other factors in d1 and d9. But generally

malefics in Upapada are not good for married life, if not strong.

 

Scandals come to life when Ra afflicts Arudhapada and are related to

dispositor or yuti planet of Rahu. See Bill Clintons chart.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

 

 

Mukesh verma napisa?(a):

>

> Dear All,

>

> If UL is with Rahu and Shani in rasi, does it mean that the native

> will not

> get married or will have a wife of low morals and bad character..?

> Does conjunction of UL, Rahu and Shani deprive the native of marital bliss

> or will it mean a scandalous marriage to an immoral character wife..?

>

> thanks and regards,

> Mukesh Verma

>

> wish this world could be better...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal,

 

I do not know if this is really so absurd, as you stated. Or we do not

know all about Arudhas!

 

Example: I have two children, daughters. No Dasa (Vimshottari,

Kalachakra, Chara, Narayana, Moola) is in any way connected to A5

(Arudha of 5th Bhava). (According to traditional D-7 rules my

daughters had to be sons, not daughters, by the way).

 

Same way, UL seems not to apply to my first wife, same for my second

wife. Time of marriage also not takes place in UL

mahadasa/antardasa/pratyantar cycle. This leads me to serious questions.

 

How do you see the connection between A5 (birth of children as

manifestation of 5th bhava significations) and dasa cycles?

 

Birth of children have to occur in dasa of A5 in some way.

Antardasa/Pratyantardas has to have a hint with A5. - 5th of Arudha

Lagna applies, in both cases. Birth time is correct.

 

Yours sincerely

Pascal

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal Ji,

For scandals in love life of Bill clinton.See natal chart

of Hillary clinton,how Ju is placed in 6'th house.How her 2'nd house is

afflicted.What she does with his kids and husband.She is culprit not Bill

clinton for disturbance in their married life.

 

Even i am scared if she will become president in next US presidential election

which will come in 2011,what will happen to US.All around there would be war on

the globe.

 

Please dont take my mail as my reaction.I appreciate your intelligency and

brilliancy.

 

Thanks and Regards

Prashant Pandey

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

*kleem namah narasimhaaya*

Dear Mukesh , Namaskar

 

It means that departed souls will afflict the marriage. Also a lot

depends on avastha of these in d1 and d9. Shani must influence both UL

and AL

to deny marriage with few other factors in d1 and d9. But generally

malefics in Upapada are not good for married life, if not strong.

 

Scandals come to life when Ra afflicts Arudhapada and are related to

dispositor or yuti planet of Rahu. See Bill Clintons chart.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

 

Mukesh verma napisa?(a):

>

> Dear All,

>

> If UL is with Rahu and Shani in rasi, does it mean that the native

> will not

> get married or will have a wife of low morals and bad character..?

> Does conjunction of UL, Rahu and Shani deprive the native of marital bliss

> or will it mean a scandalous marriage to an immoral character wife..?

>

> thanks and regards,

> Mukesh Verma

>

> wish this world could be better...

>

>

[Guest guest]

*kleem namah narasimhaaya*

Dear Pascal, Namaskar

 

The absurd was the idea which was spread in early days that arudha is

connected only to image. But the siblings, earning and type of death and

ailments are very realistic right ? That was my point. All these can be

easily figured out by checking arudhapada. I found many cases when the

child was born in time which has nothing to do with a5 because a5 is

mantrarudha and refers to so many things..to be sure you must check with

santana karaka Brhaspati. Otherwise Jyotish would be to easy. Vargas

always work, so there must be some overolooking in your method.

 

I cant comment on your personal statement as you didnt provide your

birthdetails.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

 

 

 

 

 

pascalthomas_va napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> I do not know if this is really so absurd, as you stated. Or we do not

> know all about Arudhas!

>

> Example: I have two children, daughters. No Dasa (Vimshottari,

> Kalachakra, Chara, Narayana, Moola) is in any way connected to A5

> (Arudha of 5th Bhava). (According to traditional D-7 rules my

> daughters had to be sons, not daughters, by the way).

>

> Same way, UL seems not to apply to my first wife, same for my second

> wife. Time of marriage also not takes place in UL

> mahadasa/antardasa/ pratyantar cycle. This leads me to serious questions.

>

> How do you see the connection between A5 (birth of children as

> manifestation of 5th bhava significations) and dasa cycles?

>

> Birth of children have to occur in dasa of A5 in some way.

> Antardasa/Pratyanta rdas has to have a hint with A5. - 5th of Arudha

> Lagna applies, in both cases. Birth time is correct.

>

> Yours sincerely

> Pascal

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Pascal Ji Namaskar,

Your view on Arudha is like appreciation

mail.

 

And you are so learned as so many books you have studied then you are saying

right about Arudha.

 

Actually i believe only on practical application not on theories so i

commented that Arudha is not right imagination.

 

One of my dear friend is preoccupied and also addicted of Arudha,please ignore

his comments but he is brilliant but dont want to give up wrong practise.Wasting

his time and nothing more.

 

Please continue your services to our group.

 

Thanks again for your appreciation!!!

 

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

 

pascalthomas_va <pthomas69 wrote:

Dear Rafal,

 

I do not know if this is really so absurd, as you stated. Or we do not

know all about Arudhas!

 

Example: I have two children, daughters. No Dasa (Vimshottari,

Kalachakra, Chara, Narayana, Moola) is in any way connected to A5

(Arudha of 5th Bhava). (According to traditional D-7 rules my

daughters had to be sons, not daughters, by the way).

 

Same way, UL seems not to apply to my first wife, same for my second

wife. Time of marriage also not takes place in UL

mahadasa/antardasa/pratyantar cycle. This leads me to serious questions.

 

How do you see the connection between A5 (birth of children as

manifestation of 5th bhava significations) and dasa cycles?

 

Birth of children have to occur in dasa of A5 in some way.

Antardasa/Pratyantardas has to have a hint with A5. - 5th of Arudha

Lagna applies, in both cases. Birth time is correct.

 

Yours sincerely

Pascal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

*kleem namah narasimhaaya*

Dear Prashant, Namaskar

 

I dont believe this. You must be kiddin! What is my wrong practise with

reference to Arudhapada? Dont you read Parasara or Jaimini, or what?

 

Ive learnt this concept many years ago from learned scholars, so dont

call me friend while abusing our tradition as reading your mails I see

that you still borrowing our concepts and criticizing it at the same

time. Dont let your Shani and Rahu in third ignore the Guru upadesa as

folks with those yogas are very easily swayed by revolutionary concepts.

Stick to honesty and tradition or at least dont crtiticize the

traditionalists.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

 

 

 

 

 

Prashant napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Pascal Ji Namaskar,

> Your view on Arudha is like appreciation mail.

>

> And you are so learned as so many books you have studied then you are

> saying right about Arudha.

>

> Actually i believe only on practical application not on theories so i

> commented that Arudha is not right imagination.

>

> One of my dear friend is preoccupied and also addicted of

> Arudha,please ignore his comments but he is brilliant but dont want to

> give up wrong practise.Wasting his time and nothing more.

>

> Please continue your services to our group.

>

> Thanks again for your appreciation! !!

>

> Regs,

> Prashant Pandey

>

> pascalthomas_ va <pthomas69 (AT) zipmail (DOT) com.br

> <pthomas69%40zipmail.com.br>> wrote:

> Dear Rafal,

>

> I do not know if this is really so absurd, as you stated. Or we do not

> know all about Arudhas!

>

> Example: I have two children, daughters. No Dasa (Vimshottari,

> Kalachakra, Chara, Narayana, Moola) is in any way connected to A5

> (Arudha of 5th Bhava). (According to traditional D-7 rules my

> daughters had to be sons, not daughters, by the way).

>

> Same way, UL seems not to apply to my first wife, same for my second

> wife. Time of marriage also not takes place in UL

> mahadasa/antardasa/ pratyantar cycle. This leads me to serious questions.

>

> How do you see the connection between A5 (birth of children as

> manifestation of 5th bhava significations) and dasa cycles?

>

> Birth of children have to occur in dasa of A5 in some way.

> Antardasa/Pratyanta rdas has to have a hint with A5. - 5th of Arudha

> Lagna applies, in both cases. Birth time is correct.

>

> Yours sincerely

> Pascal

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ---

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal,

 

thank you very much for your explanations. I think you are a true

researcher of the truth regarding vedic astrology.

 

Yes, you are right in this way: " siblings, earning and type of death

and ailments " are realistic and very concrete, viewable things in

life, and the theory is that arudhapadas hint at these concrete things

(not to mere images or imaginations or illusions).

 

As I said, I think AL works good, taken from my experience. Logically

the other padas would then have to work as well. When pada of tanu

bhava/lagna works, the other padas have to work, too.

 

Lets take A5 once again: I appreciate your confirmation that in

reality A5 does not always hints at birth of children, and of course,

there are different meanings for 5th bhava, so for A5. You mentioned

A5 as mantrapada, which is in line with 5th bhava as bhava for vedic

or spiritual knowledge (as gift from former incarnations). This is

ONE meaning of 5th bhava, progeny is the other, lottery gains/gambling

e.g. another quite different meaning. So, if padas shows concrete

manifestation of reality, birth of children and all other

significations of bhava 5 - in theory - must in some way be connected

to A5, if we take pada teachings for serious. We cannot say: " Yes,

Mantras, o.k., but the other significations of bhava 5 not! " I know,

you did not say this, I am exaggerating for purpose of clarification.

 

BPHS Teaching:

" The Pad of Lagn [PT: or Bhava] will correspond to the R & #257; & #347;i, arrived

at by counting so many R & #257; & #347;is from Lagn's [PT: Bhava's] Lord, as he is

away from Tanu [PT: xxx Bhava] Bhava. Similarly Padas for other Bhavas

be known through their Lords. "

 

Possible solution for this problem: Why do padas not always work?

 

1. Lord of Bhava is weak (shadbala, vimshopaka bala) and can therefore

not manifest concrete results in his arudha bhava.

2. Lord of Bhava is in bad avasthas (taken all four types from BPHS)

and cannot manifest viewable results in his arudha bhava.

3. Results of Bhava can perhaps be seen not only by bhava arudhas,

they can probably be seen by graha arudhas as well (if they are

endowed with strength).

4. There are different calculation methods (Jaimini does not give

exceptions, Parashara gives). Which is the correct one?

5. Odd/Even Rule: Calculating Arudhas for even signs in apasavya

(backwards) motion leads to different bhava/graha arudhas. E.g. Virgo

Lagna, second bhava would be Leo (not Libra) this way. Jaimini seems

to insist this way. Rasi Dasas do work exactly this way. This could be

right.

 

So, in my view there is absolutely no automatism in arudha

functioning. It may depend on graha and bhava strenght, and of course

the surroundings of a bhava/graha (drishties, argala).

 

Is this type of compromise acceptable for you, Rafal?

 

Once again, thank you for your comments

Many Regards from Germany

Pascal

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal,

 

please allow me one more comment.

 

Please don't be so hard with Prashant. For my person the following is

valid: I do respect traditions very well, and for this I stick to

BPHS, Saravali, Phaala Deepika and other ancient scriptures.

 

But I - and I think Prashant and others as well - cannot believe

" blindly " in teachings, and this is right. Critics often leads to

progress in knowlege. For all of us it is quite difficult to

understand these old teachings and to apply them correctly. I'm sure

that I do not have the " golden key " for perfect chart interpretation,

nobody has, I think. Question about arudha is justified, and there is

surely a good solution for this problem.

 

We have to respect each other's view and discuss certain topics

objectively.

 

And: there are many modern scholars in vedic (and western) astrology,

which have quite different teachings and interpretations of vedic

scriptures. Do not let us forget this. Sometimes we even have to leave

some teachings of our teachers, which are not perfect as well.

 

We have to see that critics can be about a certain theory or topic; it

is surely not directed against your person or your knowledge or your

tradition in general.

 

By the way: Rahu/Shani conjunction may be critical, but with my more

western interpretation apprach Rahu/Shani are not just " bad planets " .

They CAN be lived in a good way, they even can lead to enlightenment

(after a lot of incarnations).

 

Please understands these words correctly. I read various comments from

you and I do appreciate you very much.

 

Yours sincerely

Pascal

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant, Hello,

 

please read my reply to Rafal. There is some possibility that arudhas

work, under certain circumstances (strength of bhava and graha). But

in my view there is no security and automatism.

[Guest guest]

Dear Pascal Ji,

I have all-ready read your mail.

 

Now Arudha-champion's ego would be surging and even coming out from body to

drop a mail.

 

 

Thanks and Regards

Prashant Pandey

 

pascalthomas_va <pthomas69 wrote:

Dear Prashant, Hello,

 

please read my reply to Rafal. There is some possibility that arudhas

work, under certain circumstances (strength of bhava and graha). But

in my view there is no security and automatism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

 

yes, yes, yes, Mars/Mercury yuti (with Mars in own bhava, strongest

planet in shadbala). Pay a bit attention, but I can say you, I am

also this kind of " Mars type " (Scorpio lagna, Mars in lagna, Mars

vargottama, two planets in aries). Sometimes there is too much Mars...

but I like your irony very much.

 

Warmest Regards

Pascal

 

*good weather today in Germany, this happens sometimes*

[Guest guest]

Dear Pascal Ji,

Oh my god Sc La and Ma in La and also vargottam

and Sa in sixth and debilitated,how much agile and active you are.

 

Very dangerous fellow you are.Please never show any type of Ma

activity to Spouse and also to family.

 

I know meaning of Ma or Sa in La.Its like nuclear bomb anytime cud

explode.

 

But you wud not be like that because you are spiritual person.

 

Thanks and Regards

Prashant Pandey

 

 

vedic astrology , " pascalthomas_va "

<pthomas69 wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> yes, yes, yes, Mars/Mercury yuti (with Mars in own bhava, strongest

> planet in shadbala). Pay a bit attention, but I can say you, I am

> also this kind of " Mars type " (Scorpio lagna, Mars in lagna, Mars

> vargottama, two planets in aries). Sometimes there is too much

Mars...

> but I like your irony very much.

>

> Warmest Regards

> Pascal

>

> *good weather today in Germany, this happens sometimes*

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

 

I'm only dangerous for all fundamentalists, dogmatic thinkers and

enemies of freedom. For all other people I am NOT dangerous! Ketu and

even Rahu (in association with Sun, the soul) give spiritual insights.

 

Yes, I am agile, but Saturn in 6th is even positive: victory over

enemies! Additionally, Saturn is yuti with Lord of 12th: loss of

enemies! So, this is not too bad, in contrary, it turns auspicious.

 

Regarding debilitated Saturn: Parashara says, that a weak or

debilitated planet is no longer bad when it is surrounded by benefics.

Saturn is near yuti with Venus on one side and Moon on the other side,

so there are not very much bad influence by Saturn! Saturn dasa was

always successful, really!

 

Rule 1: Weak Planets or Malefics (close) yuti with Benefics become

better, far more auspicious!

 

Rule 2: (also from BPHS): Weak Planets receiving Drishti from Sun in

7th from them are no longer weak, but auspicious.

 

It is very important to see these EXCEPTIONAL RULES, else one comes to

wrong conclusions!

 

Would be interesting for me to hear more from you next days/weeks

about your life. How about wealth (Jupiter in 2nd) and other issues?

 

Yours sincerely and see you

Pascal

[Guest guest]

*kleem namah narasimhaaya*

Dear Pascal , Namaskar

 

Thank you for your kudos.

 

comments below.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

 

 

 

pascalthomas_va napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> please allow me one more comment.

>

> Please don't be so hard with Prashant. For my person the following is

> valid: I do respect traditions very well, and for this I stick to

> BPHS, Saravali, Phaala Deepika and other ancient scriptures.

>

[rafal] No matter if thats Prashant or any other fellow. I'm open to

critics but with proper argumentation, whilst this fellow has zero knowledge

about arudha and using of the same. This I found on reading His mails to

people in needs using arudha concept. His behaviour is disgusting.

>

>

> But I - and I think Prashant and others as well - cannot believe

> " blindly " in teachings, and this is right. Critics often leads to

> progress in knowlege.

>

[rafal] I dont like this rahu-research methodology. I follow tradition.

If you dont know the basis or knowledge which stands behind the arudha

concept how you can be sure if that works or not, even if you try many

charts. Often arudha jumps to other houses and the reading is different

and I dont care if thats knowledge is not in sastras; what is the usage

of tradition if everything you can read from slokas. There are hidden

meanings.

 

> For all of us it is quite difficult to

> understand these old teachings and to apply them correctly. I'm sure

> that I do not have the " golden key " for perfect chart interpretation,

> nobody has, I think.

>

[rafa] I rely on my Guru and therefore Ive done well so far and Im

satisfied with that knowledge.

>

>

> sincerely

> Pascal

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear and Respected Rafal,

 

thank you very much for your comments. I will not comment on your

quarrel with Prashant, seems also to be something personal between you

two, something personal.

 

But: what you call " Rahu-approach " is the modern scientific approach

used in all sciences: experience, empiric value, applicability. No

techniques, no cars, no computers without this " Rahu-approach " . What

science e.g. physics would be, if students and professors would

blindly believe in their gurus teachings? No, there is criticism for

the better! (Rafal, I would like to know your nationality.)

 

I also can believe in some hidden meanings in ancient scriptures, this

may be an advantage for you. Lot of things are obvious. And if you

read my lines correctly, I am NOT totally against Arudhas. I just

raised some questions, which are - by the way - unanswered (A5 and UL

signification, manifestation during dasas).

 

Of course, you have the right to follow your guru, which is surely

very respectable. But we all know, there are different gurus with very

different views. And no human being can grasp the whole truth alone.

So for me - this is really my " Rahu-approach " it is very difficult of

follow one guru only. But, please believe this, I RESPECT your opinion

truly.

 

Rahu is not such a bad or evil planet, even being a malefic. Malefics

can do very well in a horoscope, Benefics can cause bad or evil

events. You know this, you surely have big knowledge (I was visiting

your website).

 

With deep respect

Pascal

 

P.S.: Respect towards a person and objective critics on a certain

issue are two very different things. One can critize a guru and have

deep respect towards his person and his work. And I think in India

there are - like here in Europe - very different tradition strings.

I do not want to offend you - in no way.

 

P.S.: As a German - you know our history - I cannot and I will not

rely blindly in any leader or guru. You know the possible

consequences. I hear, I try to understand, and where I understand I

follow. Nothing else.

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

 

seeing your conversation today with rafal and pascal, it is evident that

Pascal relied on his objective approach to question certain astrological

concepts, whereas,

THE WORDS used by you for rafal were not very respectable.

 

To maintaion the decorum of this Group you must not continue to use such

words again.

As evident and sited by Pascal in your chart the combination of Mars and

Budh, and rahu+ shani in 3 house makes you use communication powers in

unrespectful ways.

 

I am nobody, but I respect the Integrity of this discussion forum, and I

believe that the Learned Gurus are here together with me.

 

This forum is owned by none, but each of us need to show respect, and behave

like a team engaged in research work, and not like school kids using

derogatory remarks on one another.

 

I expect scholarly words to be used in the conversation on this forum, else

there would be no sense staying in this forum anymore after having spend 2

years here.

 

thanks and regards,

Mukesh Verma

 

 

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:47 PM, pascalthomas_va <pthomas69

wrote:

 

> Dear and Respected Rafal,

>

> thank you very much for your comments. I will not comment on your

> quarrel with Prashant, seems also to be something personal between you

> two, something personal.

>

> But: what you call " Rahu-approach " is the modern scientific approach

> used in all sciences: experience, empiric value, applicability. No

> techniques, no cars, no computers without this " Rahu-approach " . What

> science e.g. physics would be, if students and professors would

> blindly believe in their gurus teachings? No, there is criticism for

> the better! (Rafal, I would like to know your nationality.)

>

> I also can believe in some hidden meanings in ancient scriptures, this

> may be an advantage for you. Lot of things are obvious. And if you

> read my lines correctly, I am NOT totally against Arudhas. I just

> raised some questions, which are - by the way - unanswered (A5 and UL

> signification, manifestation during dasas).

>

> Of course, you have the right to follow your guru, which is surely

> very respectable. But we all know, there are different gurus with very

> different views. And no human being can grasp the whole truth alone.

> So for me - this is really my " Rahu-approach " it is very difficult of

> follow one guru only. But, please believe this, I RESPECT your opinion

> truly.

>

> Rahu is not such a bad or evil planet, even being a malefic. Malefics

> can do very well in a horoscope, Benefics can cause bad or evil

> events. You know this, you surely have big knowledge (I was visiting

> your website).

>

> With deep respect

> Pascal

>

> P.S.: Respect towards a person and objective critics on a certain

> issue are two very different things. One can critize a guru and have

> deep respect towards his person and his work. And I think in India

> there are - like here in Europe - very different tradition strings.

> I do not want to offend you - in no way.

>

> P.S.: As a German - you know our history - I cannot and I will not

> rely blindly in any leader or guru. You know the possible

> consequences. I hear, I try to understand, and where I understand I

> follow. Nothing else.

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mukesh Ji,

I agree....

 

We should keep proper decorum of the group.....

 

Thanks and Regards

Prashant Pandey

 

 

Mukesh verma <astromukesh wrote:

Dear Prashant,

 

seeing your conversation today with rafal and pascal, it is evident that

Pascal relied on his objective approach to question certain astrological

concepts, whereas,

THE WORDS used by you for rafal were not very respectable.

 

To maintaion the decorum of this Group you must not continue to use such

words again.

As evident and sited by Pascal in your chart the combination of Mars and

Budh, and rahu+ shani in 3 house makes you use communication powers in

unrespectful ways.

 

I am nobody, but I respect the Integrity of this discussion forum, and I

believe that the Learned Gurus are here together with me.

 

This forum is owned by none, but each of us need to show respect, and behave

like a team engaged in research work, and not like school kids using

derogatory remarks on one another.

 

I expect scholarly words to be used in the conversation on this forum, else

there would be no sense staying in this forum anymore after having spend 2

years here.

 

thanks and regards,

Mukesh Verma

 

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:47 PM, pascalthomas_va <pthomas69

wrote:

 

> Dear and Respected Rafal,

>

> thank you very much for your comments. I will not comment on your

> quarrel with Prashant, seems also to be something personal between you

> two, something personal.

>

> But: what you call " Rahu-approach " is the modern scientific approach

> used in all sciences: experience, empiric value, applicability. No

> techniques, no cars, no computers without this " Rahu-approach " . What

> science e.g. physics would be, if students and professors would

> blindly believe in their gurus teachings? No, there is criticism for

> the better! (Rafal, I would like to know your nationality.)

>

> I also can believe in some hidden meanings in ancient scriptures, this

> may be an advantage for you. Lot of things are obvious. And if you

> read my lines correctly, I am NOT totally against Arudhas. I just

> raised some questions, which are - by the way - unanswered (A5 and UL

> signification, manifestation during dasas).

>

> Of course, you have the right to follow your guru, which is surely

> very respectable. But we all know, there are different gurus with very

> different views. And no human being can grasp the whole truth alone.

> So for me - this is really my " Rahu-approach " it is very difficult of

> follow one guru only. But, please believe this, I RESPECT your opinion

> truly.

>

> Rahu is not such a bad or evil planet, even being a malefic. Malefics

> can do very well in a horoscope, Benefics can cause bad or evil

> events. You know this, you surely have big knowledge (I was visiting

> your website).

>

> With deep respect

> Pascal

>

> P.S.: Respect towards a person and objective critics on a certain

> issue are two very different things. One can critize a guru and have

> deep respect towards his person and his work. And I think in India

> there are - like here in Europe - very different tradition strings.

> I do not want to offend you - in no way.

>

> P.S.: As a German - you know our history - I cannot and I will not

> rely blindly in any leader or guru. You know the possible

> consequences. I hear, I try to understand, and where I understand I

> follow. Nothing else.

>

>

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mukesh tell me one thing are you married....

 

If yes then i will confirm just now the reality of arudha from your chart....

 

Please tell me...

Mukesh verma <astromukesh wrote:

Dear Prashant,

 

seeing your conversation today with rafal and pascal, it is evident that

Pascal relied on his objective approach to question certain astrological

concepts, whereas,

THE WORDS used by you for rafal were not very respectable.

 

To maintaion the decorum of this Group you must not continue to use such

words again.

As evident and sited by Pascal in your chart the combination of Mars and

Budh, and rahu+ shani in 3 house makes you use communication powers in

unrespectful ways.

 

I am nobody, but I respect the Integrity of this discussion forum, and I

believe that the Learned Gurus are here together with me.

 

This forum is owned by none, but each of us need to show respect, and behave

like a team engaged in research work, and not like school kids using

derogatory remarks on one another.

 

I expect scholarly words to be used in the conversation on this forum, else

there would be no sense staying in this forum anymore after having spend 2

years here.

 

thanks and regards,

Mukesh Verma

 

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:47 PM, pascalthomas_va <pthomas69

wrote:

 

> Dear and Respected Rafal,

>

> thank you very much for your comments. I will not comment on your

> quarrel with Prashant, seems also to be something personal between you

> two, something personal.

>

> But: what you call " Rahu-approach " is the modern scientific approach

> used in all sciences: experience, empiric value, applicability. No

> techniques, no cars, no computers without this " Rahu-approach " . What

> science e.g. physics would be, if students and professors would

> blindly believe in their gurus teachings? No, there is criticism for

> the better! (Rafal, I would like to know your nationality.)

>

> I also can believe in some hidden meanings in ancient scriptures, this

> may be an advantage for you. Lot of things are obvious. And if you

> read my lines correctly, I am NOT totally against Arudhas. I just

> raised some questions, which are - by the way - unanswered (A5 and UL

> signification, manifestation during dasas).

>

> Of course, you have the right to follow your guru, which is surely

> very respectable. But we all know, there are different gurus with very

> different views. And no human being can grasp the whole truth alone.

> So for me - this is really my " Rahu-approach " it is very difficult of

> follow one guru only. But, please believe this, I RESPECT your opinion

> truly.

>

> Rahu is not such a bad or evil planet, even being a malefic. Malefics

> can do very well in a horoscope, Benefics can cause bad or evil

> events. You know this, you surely have big knowledge (I was visiting

> your website).

>

> With deep respect

> Pascal

>

> P.S.: Respect towards a person and objective critics on a certain

> issue are two very different things. One can critize a guru and have

> deep respect towards his person and his work. And I think in India

> there are - like here in Europe - very different tradition strings.

> I do not want to offend you - in no way.

>

> P.S.: As a German - you know our history - I cannot and I will not

> rely blindly in any leader or guru. You know the possible

> consequences. I hear, I try to understand, and where I understand I

> follow. Nothing else.

>

>

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Where is a lot of light, there also is a lot of shadow.

[Guest guest]

I think your natal chart is best to clarify the reality of arudha....

 

Your A7 and UL in 9'th with Sa and Ra....right

 

now in 7'th house has benefics if we leave Su....

 

Now 7'th lord is with Ju....

 

So according to arudha and according to 7'th house lord and 7'th house concept

both will give totally opposite answers, now i am waiting for your feed back

about your spouse....

 

Thanks and Regards

Prashant Pandey

 

Prashant <praspandey wrote:

Mukesh tell me one thing are you married....

 

If yes then i will confirm just now the reality of arudha from your chart....

 

Please tell me...

Mukesh verma <astromukesh wrote:

Dear Prashant,

 

seeing your conversation today with rafal and pascal, it is evident that

Pascal relied on his objective approach to question certain astrological

concepts, whereas,

THE WORDS used by you for rafal were not very respectable.

 

To maintaion the decorum of this Group you must not continue to use such

words again.

As evident and sited by Pascal in your chart the combination of Mars and

Budh, and rahu+ shani in 3 house makes you use communication powers in

unrespectful ways.

 

I am nobody, but I respect the Integrity of this discussion forum, and I

believe that the Learned Gurus are here together with me.

 

This forum is owned by none, but each of us need to show respect, and behave

like a team engaged in research work, and not like school kids using

derogatory remarks on one another.

 

I expect scholarly words to be used in the conversation on this forum, else

there would be no sense staying in this forum anymore after having spend 2

years here.

 

thanks and regards,

Mukesh Verma

 

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:47 PM, pascalthomas_va <pthomas69

wrote:

 

> Dear and Respected Rafal,

>

> thank you very much for your comments. I will not comment on your

> quarrel with Prashant, seems also to be something personal between you

> two, something personal.

>

> But: what you call " Rahu-approach " is the modern scientific approach

> used in all sciences: experience, empiric value, applicability. No

> techniques, no cars, no computers without this " Rahu-approach " . What

> science e.g. physics would be, if students and professors would

> blindly believe in their gurus teachings? No, there is criticism for

> the better! (Rafal, I would like to know your nationality.)

>

> I also can believe in some hidden meanings in ancient scriptures, this

> may be an advantage for you. Lot of things are obvious. And if you

> read my lines correctly, I am NOT totally against Arudhas. I just

> raised some questions, which are - by the way - unanswered (A5 and UL

> signification, manifestation during dasas).

>

> Of course, you have the right to follow your guru, which is surely

> very respectable. But we all know, there are different gurus with very

> different views. And no human being can grasp the whole truth alone.

> So for me - this is really my " Rahu-approach " it is very difficult of

> follow one guru only. But, please believe this, I RESPECT your opinion

> truly.

>

> Rahu is not such a bad or evil planet, even being a malefic. Malefics

> can do very well in a horoscope, Benefics can cause bad or evil

> events. You know this, you surely have big knowledge (I was visiting

> your website).

>

> With deep respect

> Pascal

>

> P.S.: Respect towards a person and objective critics on a certain

> issue are two very different things. One can critize a guru and have

> deep respect towards his person and his work. And I think in India

> there are - like here in Europe - very different tradition strings.

> I do not want to offend you - in no way.

>

> P.S.: As a German - you know our history - I cannot and I will not

> rely blindly in any leader or guru. You know the possible

> consequences. I hear, I try to understand, and where I understand I

> follow. Nothing else.

>

>

>