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Dear C.

 

It will be a good exercise.

 

However, some exact predictions were also made with the US rectified

chart, which lead us to the conclusion that a few predictions will not be

enough to be 100% sure about the correctedness of any chart. It has to

explain not just a few past/future events, but all the events that

happened in the past, as well.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

> Hello list,

>

> On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to the USA

> due to its large economic size and global military influence and to

> finding a chart that would best describe and predict the country´s

> collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say the

> least.

>

> Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the Declaration

> of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a long time been

> studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants. None, however,

> seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate predictions. Hence, the

> search has gone elsewhere.

>

> On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1 March 1781,

> when the final ratification of the Articles of Confederation took place.

> This chart has the sign Cancer rising and therefore assumes the symbolic

> act took place in the afternoon on that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact,

> giving 21° Cancer as rising. This chart was rectified and promoted on

> the basis of SA from 1996. Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree

> was arrived at on the basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned,

> Mr. Ron Grimes. On the basis of this chart, there were many correct and

> significant predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was

> predicted in September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist

> attacks and the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban

> regime of Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the

> attack by the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of

> the actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton

> electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following days and

> weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to take place from the

> Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by L8 Saturn to natal L3

> Mercury lifted. This prediction also was realised.

>

> John TWB has more recently provided clear historical information that

> shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day, or around

> noon time. This information is at odds with the later time giving 21°

> Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart faded on the

> list. This reaction is understandable but also perhaps premature. Any

> chart that has resulted in accurate predictions should be allowed to be

> rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If the chart does not fail

> in prediction, it would imply that there is a rare probability that

> something happened on the afternoon of that day, not reflected in the

> historical dcouments, that makes this slightly later time the actual or

> symbolic moment the USA as a federal state came into being. Hence, it

> should only be discarded if predictions on the basis of it turn out to

> be wrong and thus disprove its merit. This post is a step in that

> direction.

>

> Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on information

> from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with 15° Scorpio

> rising. The historical documents reveal that the document was actually

> signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John TWB have

> identified. This chart also needs to be followed with predictions to see

> if it has merit.

>

> It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two charts

> suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them can therefore

> be correct.

>

> The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices and stock

> prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on the economy

> going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making these planets active

> in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will be aspecting natal

> L4 Venus in September and October. Please note that it natally afflicts

> Venus, suggesting amongst other things an inherent vulnerability of

> Venus functional and general indications to this contact. The nodes will

> then be stationary this Autumn while afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs,

> with also tr L6 Jupiter adding to the affliction in late October and

> November. Tr Ketu will also become stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007

> and tr L8 Saturn will again afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the

> sign change of the major planets in the fall is not particularily

> problematic, except that tr L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal

> placement at 6° Scorpio and then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit

> Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under the exact

> affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period begins in

> September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of military involvement by

> the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period from July 1939

> signalled the involvement of USA in WWII.

>

> The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant problems.

> Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart in October is

> that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under conditions of

> pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US position abroad in

> this time frame. Overall, the outlook is therefore more favourable,

> importantly, as no important and long standing afflictions appear to be

> active.

>

> In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject rectified

> charts is an essential part of scientific methodology and SA. We will

> soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and months.

>

> Best regards,

>

> C

>

>

>

>

>

> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small

> Business.

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Dear Jorge,

 

There are a large number of techniques or approaches to astrology

can that in some sense may be applied to explain past events in

terms of a large number of proposed charts. You are right, the only

way to assess the authenticty of any chart is therefore to apply

specific predictions to the proposed charts. What is more, we need

to make repeat predictions, again and again. Only that menthod can

transcend the ex-post claims. Soon, we should have additional

information about how each of these charts do in terms of the

predictions made.

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear C.

>

> It will be a good exercise.

>

> However, some exact predictions were also made with the US

rectified

> chart, which lead us to the conclusion that a few predictions will

not be

> enough to be 100% sure about the correctedness of any chart. It

has to

> explain not just a few past/future events, but all the events that

> happened in the past, as well.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

> > Hello list,

> >

> > On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to

the USA

> > due to its large economic size and global military influence and

to

> > finding a chart that would best describe and predict the

country´s

> > collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say

the

> > least.

> >

> > Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the

Declaration

> > of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a long time been

> > studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants. None,

however,

> > seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate predictions.

Hence, the

> > search has gone elsewhere.

> >

> > On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1

March 1781,

> > when the final ratification of the Articles of Confederation

took place.

> > This chart has the sign Cancer rising and therefore assumes the

symbolic

> > act took place in the afternoon on that day, at 3:18 PM to be

exact,

> > giving 21° Cancer as rising. This chart was rectified and

promoted on

> > the basis of SA from 1996. Interestingtly, the actual ascending

degree

> > was arrived at on the basis of intuition by the astrologer

concerned,

> > Mr. Ron Grimes. On the basis of this chart, there were many

correct and

> > significant predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was

> > predicted in September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 "

terrorist

> > attacks and the subsequent attack of US military forces on the

Taliban

> > regime of Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001,

the

> > attack by the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen

minutes of

> > the actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this

predicton

> > electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following

days and

> > weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to take place

from the

> > Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by L8 Saturn to

natal L3

> > Mercury lifted. This prediction also was realised.

> >

> > John TWB has more recently provided clear historical

information that

> > shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day, or

around

> > noon time. This information is at odds with the later time

giving 21°

> > Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart faded on

the

> > list. This reaction is understandable but also perhaps

premature. Any

> > chart that has resulted in accurate predictions should be

allowed to be

> > rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If the chart does

not fail

> > in prediction, it would imply that there is a rare probability

that

> > something happened on the afternoon of that day, not reflected

in the

> > historical dcouments, that makes this slightly later time the

actual or

> > symbolic moment the USA as a federal state came into being.

Hence, it

> > should only be discarded if predictions on the basis of it turn

out to

> > be wrong and thus disprove its merit. This post is a step in that

> > direction.

> >

> > Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on

information

> > from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with 15° Scorpio

> > rising. The historical documents reveal that the document was

actually

> > signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John TWB have

> > identified. This chart also needs to be followed with

predictions to see

> > if it has merit.

> >

> > It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two

charts

> > suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them can

therefore

> > be correct.

> >

> > The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices

and stock

> > prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on the

economy

> > going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making these planets

active

> > in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will be aspecting

natal

> > L4 Venus in September and October. Please note that it natally

afflicts

> > Venus, suggesting amongst other things an inherent vulnerability

of

> > Venus functional and general indications to this contact. The

nodes will

> > then be stationary this Autumn while afflicting L3 Mercury at 0°

Piscs,

> > with also tr L6 Jupiter adding to the affliction in late October

and

> > November. Tr Ketu will also become stationary in H2 MEP in early

2007

> > and tr L8 Saturn will again afflict L4 Venus next spring.

Otherwise, the

> > sign change of the major planets in the fall is not particularily

> > problematic, except that tr L6 Jupiter will pass over its own

natal

> > placement at 6° Scorpio and then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio.

Transit

> > Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under

the exact

> > affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period

begins in

> > September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of military

involvement by

> > the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period from July 1939

> > signalled the involvement of USA in WWII.

> >

> > The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant

problems.

> > Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart in

October is

> > that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under conditions of

> > pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US position

abroad in

> > this time frame. Overall, the outlook is therefore more

favourable,

> > importantly, as no important and long standing afflictions

appear to be

> > active.

> >

> > In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject

rectified

> > charts is an essential part of scientific methodology and SA. We

will

> > soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and months.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help.

Small

> > Business.

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> The 21° Cancer rising chart [for the USA] suggests that both

> housing prices and stock prices may decline this Autumn, which

> would create a drag on the economy going forward.

(Msg 11409 on Sep 3, 2006)

 

Hello list,

 

The news today is not so encouraging for the US economy. We will

continue to follow how it develops in coming weeks and months.

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

US housing slowdown continues

By Daniel Pimlott and Michael Mackenzie in New York

 

Published: September 25 2006 16:05 | Last updated: September 25 2006

16:05

 

Prices of existing homes fell for the first time in 11 years and the

backlog of available homes for sale was at its highest since current

measures began, underlining the significant slowdown in the housing

market.

 

Existing-home sales slipped 0.5 per cent to an annual rate of 6.30m

units in August from a level of 6.33m July, according to the National

Association of Realtors. They were 12.6 per cent down on the year

before

 

Economists had expected a fall in sales to 6.2m, following a sharp

4.1 per cent decline in sales in July.

 

" The housing market continues to weaken, but the deterioration in

this report was relatively modest, " said John Ryding, economist at

Bear Stearns.

 

The Federal Reserve has recently justified its pause in interest rate

rises by saying that weakness in the housing sector will put the

brakes on growth and help slow down inflation. The latest numbers

suggest that the central bank may soon start lowering rates.

 

`'Housing is in trouble, the economy is a lot weaker than people

think and the Fed will ease policy much faster than what is currently

priced by markets,'' said Michael Kastner, head of fixed income at

SterlingStamos.

 

The housing data pulled the yield on the two-year Treasury note down

to about 4.65 per cent, its lowest level since March.

 

David Lereah, the NAR's chief economist, said home sales appeared to

be levelling out after a sharp drop in July. " After a stronger-than-

expected drop in July, the fairly even sales numbers in August tell

us the market is at a more sustainable pace, " he said.

 

The decline follows weak data on housing starts and building permits

in August.

 

The median existing home price was $225,000 in August, down 1.7 per

cent from a year earlier - the first price fall since 1995 and the

second biggest decline on record . " This is the price correction

we've been expecting – with sales stabilising, we should go back to

positive price growth early next year, " Mr Lereah said.

 

Housing inventory levels rose 1.5 per cent to a 7.5 month supply at

the current sales pace, compared with 6.3 months in July, and 4.7

months at this time last year. The inventory was at its highest since

since condominiums were added to the survey in 1999.

 

Existing home sales account for about 85 per cent of the housing

market. They have fallen every month since March.

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Hello list,

>

> On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to the

USA due to its large economic size and global military influence and

to finding a chart that would best describe and predict the country´s

collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say the

least.

>

> Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the

Declaration of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a long

time been studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants. None,

however, seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate predictions.

Hence, the search has gone elsewhere.

>

> On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1

March 1781, when the final ratification of the Articles of

Confederation took place. This chart has the sign Cancer rising and

therefore assumes the symbolic act took place in the afternoon on

that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact, giving 21° Cancer as rising. This

chart was rectified and promoted on the basis of SA from 1996.

Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree was arrived at on the

basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned, Mr. Ron Grimes. On

the basis of this chart, there were many correct and significant

predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was predicted in

September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist attacks and

the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban regime of

Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the attack by

the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of the

actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton

> electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following

days and weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to take

place from the Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by L8

Saturn to natal L3 Mercury lifted. This prediction also was realised.

>

> John TWB has more recently provided clear historical information

that shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day, or

around noon time. This information is at odds with the later time

giving 21° Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart

faded on the list. This reaction is understandable but also perhaps

premature. Any chart that has resulted in accurate predictions should

be allowed to be rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If the

chart does not fail in prediction, it would imply that there is a

rare probability that something happened on the afternoon of that

day, not reflected in the historical dcouments, that makes this

slightly later time the actual or symbolic moment the USA as a

federal state came into being. Hence, it should only be discarded if

predictions on the basis of it turn out to be wrong and thus disprove

its merit. This post is a step in that direction.

>

> Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on

information from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with 15°

Scorpio rising. The historical documents reveal that the document was

actually signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John TWB

have identified. This chart also needs to be followed with

predictions to see if it has merit.

>

> It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two

charts suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them can

therefore be correct.

>

> The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices and

stock prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on

the economy going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making these

planets active in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will be

aspecting natal L4 Venus in September and October. Please note that

it natally afflicts Venus, suggesting amongst other things an

inherent vulnerability of Venus functional and general indications to

this contact. The nodes will then be stationary this Autumn while

afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs, with also tr L6 Jupiter adding to

the affliction in late October and November. Tr Ketu will also become

stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007 and tr L8 Saturn will again

afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the sign change of the major

planets in the fall is not particularily problematic, except that tr

L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal placement at 6° Scorpio and

then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit

> Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under the

exact affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period

begins in September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of military

involvement by the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period from

July 1939 signalled the involvement of USA in WWII.

>

> The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant

problems. Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart in

October is that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under

conditions of pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US

position abroad in this time frame. Overall, the outlook is therefore

more favourable, importantly, as no important and long standing

afflictions appear to be active.

>

> In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject

rectified charts is an essential part of scientific methodology and

SA. We will soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and months.

>

> Best regards,

>

> C

>

>

>

>

>

> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help.

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October 11, 2006 -- Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. housing slump

will weaken the economy more than previously forecast, prompting the

Federal Reserve to reduce interest rates by June, a Bloomberg News

survey showed. Fed policy makers, who ended a two-year cycle of

interest- rate increases in August, are watching the housing market

as they contemplate their next move. Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke

last week said housing is undergoing a " substantial correction''

that will lop a percentage point off growth in the second half of

this year.

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> > The 21° Cancer rising chart [for the USA] suggests that both

> > housing prices and stock prices may decline this Autumn, which

> > would create a drag on the economy going forward.

> (Msg 11409 on Sep 3, 2006)

>

> Hello list,

>

> The news today is not so encouraging for the US economy. We will

> continue to follow how it develops in coming weeks and months.

>

> Best regards,

>

> C

>

> US housing slowdown continues

> By Daniel Pimlott and Michael Mackenzie in New York

>

> Published: September 25 2006 16:05 | Last updated: September 25

2006

> 16:05

>

> Prices of existing homes fell for the first time in 11 years and

the

> backlog of available homes for sale was at its highest since

current

> measures began, underlining the significant slowdown in the

housing

> market.

>

> Existing-home sales slipped 0.5 per cent to an annual rate of

6.30m

> units in August from a level of 6.33m July, according to the

National

> Association of Realtors. They were 12.6 per cent down on the year

> before

>

> Economists had expected a fall in sales to 6.2m, following a sharp

> 4.1 per cent decline in sales in July.

>

> " The housing market continues to weaken, but the deterioration in

> this report was relatively modest, " said John Ryding, economist at

> Bear Stearns.

>

> The Federal Reserve has recently justified its pause in interest

rate

> rises by saying that weakness in the housing sector will put the

> brakes on growth and help slow down inflation. The latest numbers

> suggest that the central bank may soon start lowering rates.

>

> `'Housing is in trouble, the economy is a lot weaker than people

> think and the Fed will ease policy much faster than what is

currently

> priced by markets,'' said Michael Kastner, head of fixed income at

> SterlingStamos.

>

> The housing data pulled the yield on the two-year Treasury note

down

> to about 4.65 per cent, its lowest level since March.

>

> David Lereah, the NAR's chief economist, said home sales appeared

to

> be levelling out after a sharp drop in July. " After a stronger-

than-

> expected drop in July, the fairly even sales numbers in August

tell

> us the market is at a more sustainable pace, " he said.

>

> The decline follows weak data on housing starts and building

permits

> in August.

>

> The median existing home price was $225,000 in August, down 1.7

per

> cent from a year earlier - the first price fall since 1995 and the

> second biggest decline on record . " This is the price correction

> we've been expecting – with sales stabilising, we should go back

to

> positive price growth early next year, " Mr Lereah said.

>

> Housing inventory levels rose 1.5 per cent to a 7.5 month supply

at

> the current sales pace, compared with 6.3 months in July, and 4.7

> months at this time last year. The inventory was at its highest

since

> since condominiums were added to the survey in 1999.

>

> Existing home sales account for about 85 per cent of the housing

> market. They have fallen every month since March.

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello list,

> >

> > On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to

the

> USA due to its large economic size and global military influence

and

> to finding a chart that would best describe and predict the

country´s

> collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say

the

> least.

> >

> > Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the

> Declaration of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a

long

> time been studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants.

None,

> however, seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate

predictions.

> Hence, the search has gone elsewhere.

> >

> > On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1

> March 1781, when the final ratification of the Articles of

> Confederation took place. This chart has the sign Cancer rising

and

> therefore assumes the symbolic act took place in the afternoon on

> that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact, giving 21° Cancer as rising.

This

> chart was rectified and promoted on the basis of SA from 1996.

> Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree was arrived at on the

> basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned, Mr. Ron Grimes. On

> the basis of this chart, there were many correct and significant

> predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was predicted in

> September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist attacks

and

> the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban regime

of

> Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the attack

by

> the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of the

> actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton

> > electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following

> days and weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to

take

> place from the Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by

L8

> Saturn to natal L3 Mercury lifted. This prediction also was

realised.

> >

> > John TWB has more recently provided clear historical

information

> that shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day,

or

> around noon time. This information is at odds with the later time

> giving 21° Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart

> faded on the list. This reaction is understandable but also

perhaps

> premature. Any chart that has resulted in accurate predictions

should

> be allowed to be rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If

the

> chart does not fail in prediction, it would imply that there is a

> rare probability that something happened on the afternoon of that

> day, not reflected in the historical dcouments, that makes this

> slightly later time the actual or symbolic moment the USA as a

> federal state came into being. Hence, it should only be discarded

if

> predictions on the basis of it turn out to be wrong and thus

disprove

> its merit. This post is a step in that direction.

> >

> > Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on

> information from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with

15°

> Scorpio rising. The historical documents reveal that the document

was

> actually signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John

TWB

> have identified. This chart also needs to be followed with

> predictions to see if it has merit.

> >

> > It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two

> charts suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them

can

> therefore be correct.

> >

> > The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices

and

> stock prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on

> the economy going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making

these

> planets active in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will

be

> aspecting natal L4 Venus in September and October. Please note

that

> it natally afflicts Venus, suggesting amongst other things an

> inherent vulnerability of Venus functional and general indications

to

> this contact. The nodes will then be stationary this Autumn while

> afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs, with also tr L6 Jupiter adding

to

> the affliction in late October and November. Tr Ketu will also

become

> stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007 and tr L8 Saturn will again

> afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the sign change of the

major

> planets in the fall is not particularily problematic, except that

tr

> L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal placement at 6° Scorpio

and

> then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit

> > Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under

the

> exact affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period

> begins in September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of

military

> involvement by the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period

from

> July 1939 signalled the involvement of USA in WWII.

> >

> > The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant

> problems. Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart

in

> October is that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under

> conditions of pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US

> position abroad in this time frame. Overall, the outlook is

therefore

> more favourable, importantly, as no important and long standing

> afflictions appear to be active.

> >

> > In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject

> rectified charts is an essential part of scientific methodology

and

> SA. We will soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and

months.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help.

 

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Sales of Existing Homes Fall

Oct 25 10:15 AM US/Eastern

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer

WASHINGTON

Sales of existing homes fell for a sixth straight month in September

and the median sales price dropped on an annual basis by the largest

amount on record, further documenting a lukewarm housing market.

The National Association of Realtors reported that sales of

previously owned homes fell by 1.9 percent in September to a

seasonally adjusted sales pace of 6.18 million units, the slowest

sales rate since January 2004.

 

The median price of a single-family home fell to $219,800 last month,

a drop of 2.5 percent from the price in September 2005. That was the

biggest year-over-year price decline in records going back nearly

four decades.

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> October 11, 2006 -- Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. housing slump

> will weaken the economy more than previously forecast, prompting

the

> Federal Reserve to reduce interest rates by June, a Bloomberg News

> survey showed. Fed policy makers, who ended a two-year cycle of

> interest- rate increases in August, are watching the housing market

> as they contemplate their next move. Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke

> last week said housing is undergoing a " substantial correction''

> that will lop a percentage point off growth in the second half of

> this year.

>

> SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > > The 21° Cancer rising chart [for the USA] suggests that both

> > > housing prices and stock prices may decline this Autumn, which

> > > would create a drag on the economy going forward.

> > (Msg 11409 on Sep 3, 2006)

> >

> > Hello list,

> >

> > The news today is not so encouraging for the US economy. We will

> > continue to follow how it develops in coming weeks and months.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > C

> >

> > US housing slowdown continues

> > By Daniel Pimlott and Michael Mackenzie in New York

> >

> > Published: September 25 2006 16:05 | Last updated: September 25

> 2006

> > 16:05

> >

> > Prices of existing homes fell for the first time in 11 years and

> the

> > backlog of available homes for sale was at its highest since

> current

> > measures began, underlining the significant slowdown in the

> housing

> > market.

> >

> > Existing-home sales slipped 0.5 per cent to an annual rate of

> 6.30m

> > units in August from a level of 6.33m July, according to the

> National

> > Association of Realtors. They were 12.6 per cent down on the year

> > before

> >

> > Economists had expected a fall in sales to 6.2m, following a

sharp

> > 4.1 per cent decline in sales in July.

> >

> > " The housing market continues to weaken, but the deterioration in

> > this report was relatively modest, " said John Ryding, economist

at

> > Bear Stearns.

> >

> > The Federal Reserve has recently justified its pause in interest

> rate

> > rises by saying that weakness in the housing sector will put the

> > brakes on growth and help slow down inflation. The latest numbers

> > suggest that the central bank may soon start lowering rates.

> >

> > `'Housing is in trouble, the economy is a lot weaker than people

> > think and the Fed will ease policy much faster than what is

> currently

> > priced by markets,'' said Michael Kastner, head of fixed income

at

> > SterlingStamos.

> >

> > The housing data pulled the yield on the two-year Treasury note

> down

> > to about 4.65 per cent, its lowest level since March.

> >

> > David Lereah, the NAR's chief economist, said home sales appeared

> to

> > be levelling out after a sharp drop in July. " After a stronger-

> than-

> > expected drop in July, the fairly even sales numbers in August

> tell

> > us the market is at a more sustainable pace, " he said.

> >

> > The decline follows weak data on housing starts and building

> permits

> > in August.

> >

> > The median existing home price was $225,000 in August, down 1.7

> per

> > cent from a year earlier - the first price fall since 1995 and

the

> > second biggest decline on record . " This is the price correction

> > we've been expecting – with sales stabilising, we should go back

> to

> > positive price growth early next year, " Mr Lereah said.

> >

> > Housing inventory levels rose 1.5 per cent to a 7.5 month supply

> at

> > the current sales pace, compared with 6.3 months in July, and 4.7

> > months at this time last year. The inventory was at its highest

> since

> > since condominiums were added to the survey in 1999.

> >

> > Existing home sales account for about 85 per cent of the housing

> > market. They have fallen every month since March.

> >

> > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello list,

> > >

> > > On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to

> the

> > USA due to its large economic size and global military influence

> and

> > to finding a chart that would best describe and predict the

> country´s

> > collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say

> the

> > least.

> > >

> > > Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the

> > Declaration of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a

> long

> > time been studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants.

> None,

> > however, seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate

> predictions.

> > Hence, the search has gone elsewhere.

> > >

> > > On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1

> > March 1781, when the final ratification of the Articles of

> > Confederation took place. This chart has the sign Cancer rising

> and

> > therefore assumes the symbolic act took place in the afternoon on

> > that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact, giving 21° Cancer as rising.

> This

> > chart was rectified and promoted on the basis of SA from 1996.

> > Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree was arrived at on the

> > basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned, Mr. Ron Grimes.

On

> > the basis of this chart, there were many correct and significant

> > predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was predicted

in

> > September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist attacks

> and

> > the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban regime

> of

> > Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the attack

> by

> > the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of the

> > actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton

> > > electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the

following

> > days and weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to

> take

> > place from the Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by

> L8

> > Saturn to natal L3 Mercury lifted. This prediction also was

> realised.

> > >

> > > John TWB has more recently provided clear historical

> information

> > that shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day,

> or

> > around noon time. This information is at odds with the later time

> > giving 21° Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the

chart

> > faded on the list. This reaction is understandable but also

> perhaps

> > premature. Any chart that has resulted in accurate predictions

> should

> > be allowed to be rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If

> the

> > chart does not fail in prediction, it would imply that there is

a

> > rare probability that something happened on the afternoon of that

> > day, not reflected in the historical dcouments, that makes this

> > slightly later time the actual or symbolic moment the USA as a

> > federal state came into being. Hence, it should only be discarded

> if

> > predictions on the basis of it turn out to be wrong and thus

> disprove

> > its merit. This post is a step in that direction.

> > >

> > > Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on

> > information from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with

> 15°

> > Scorpio rising. The historical documents reveal that the document

> was

> > actually signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John

> TWB

> > have identified. This chart also needs to be followed with

> > predictions to see if it has merit.

> > >

> > > It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two

> > charts suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them

> can

> > therefore be correct.

> > >

> > > The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices

> and

> > stock prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag

on

> > the economy going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making

> these

> > planets active in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn

will

> be

> > aspecting natal L4 Venus in September and October. Please note

> that

> > it natally afflicts Venus, suggesting amongst other things an

> > inherent vulnerability of Venus functional and general

indications

> to

> > this contact. The nodes will then be stationary this Autumn while

> > afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs, with also tr L6 Jupiter adding

> to

> > the affliction in late October and November. Tr Ketu will also

> become

> > stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007 and tr L8 Saturn will again

> > afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the sign change of the

> major

> > planets in the fall is not particularily problematic, except that

> tr

> > L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal placement at 6° Scorpio

> and

> > then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit

> > > Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under

> the

> > exact affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period

> > begins in September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of

> military

> > involvement by the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period

> from

> > July 1939 signalled the involvement of USA in WWII.

> > >

> > > The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant

> > problems. Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart

> in

> > October is that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under

> > conditions of pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US

> > position abroad in this time frame. Overall, the outlook is

> therefore

> > more favourable, importantly, as no important and long standing

> > afflictions appear to be active.

> > >

> > > In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject

> > rectified charts is an essential part of scientific methodology

> and

> > SA. We will soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and

> months.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > C

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help.

>

> > Small Business.

> > >

> >

>

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