Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Dear C. It will be a good exercise. However, some exact predictions were also made with the US rectified chart, which lead us to the conclusion that a few predictions will not be enough to be 100% sure about the correctedness of any chart. It has to explain not just a few past/future events, but all the events that happened in the past, as well. Best wishes, Jorge > Hello list, > > On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to the USA > due to its large economic size and global military influence and to > finding a chart that would best describe and predict the country´s > collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say the > least. > > Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the Declaration > of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a long time been > studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants. None, however, > seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate predictions. Hence, the > search has gone elsewhere. > > On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1 March 1781, > when the final ratification of the Articles of Confederation took place. > This chart has the sign Cancer rising and therefore assumes the symbolic > act took place in the afternoon on that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact, > giving 21° Cancer as rising. This chart was rectified and promoted on > the basis of SA from 1996. Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree > was arrived at on the basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned, > Mr. Ron Grimes. On the basis of this chart, there were many correct and > significant predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was > predicted in September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist > attacks and the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban > regime of Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the > attack by the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of > the actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton > electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following days and > weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to take place from the > Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by L8 Saturn to natal L3 > Mercury lifted. This prediction also was realised. > > John TWB has more recently provided clear historical information that > shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day, or around > noon time. This information is at odds with the later time giving 21° > Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart faded on the > list. This reaction is understandable but also perhaps premature. Any > chart that has resulted in accurate predictions should be allowed to be > rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If the chart does not fail > in prediction, it would imply that there is a rare probability that > something happened on the afternoon of that day, not reflected in the > historical dcouments, that makes this slightly later time the actual or > symbolic moment the USA as a federal state came into being. Hence, it > should only be discarded if predictions on the basis of it turn out to > be wrong and thus disprove its merit. This post is a step in that > direction. > > Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on information > from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with 15° Scorpio > rising. The historical documents reveal that the document was actually > signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John TWB have > identified. This chart also needs to be followed with predictions to see > if it has merit. > > It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two charts > suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them can therefore > be correct. > > The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices and stock > prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on the economy > going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making these planets active > in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will be aspecting natal > L4 Venus in September and October. Please note that it natally afflicts > Venus, suggesting amongst other things an inherent vulnerability of > Venus functional and general indications to this contact. The nodes will > then be stationary this Autumn while afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs, > with also tr L6 Jupiter adding to the affliction in late October and > November. Tr Ketu will also become stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007 > and tr L8 Saturn will again afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the > sign change of the major planets in the fall is not particularily > problematic, except that tr L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal > placement at 6° Scorpio and then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit > Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under the exact > affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period begins in > September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of military involvement by > the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period from July 1939 > signalled the involvement of USA in WWII. > > The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant problems. > Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart in October is > that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under conditions of > pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US position abroad in > this time frame. Overall, the outlook is therefore more favourable, > importantly, as no important and long standing afflictions appear to be > active. > > In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject rectified > charts is an essential part of scientific methodology and SA. We will > soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and months. > > Best regards, > > C > > > > > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small > Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Dear Jorge, There are a large number of techniques or approaches to astrology can that in some sense may be applied to explain past events in terms of a large number of proposed charts. You are right, the only way to assess the authenticty of any chart is therefore to apply specific predictions to the proposed charts. What is more, we need to make repeat predictions, again and again. Only that menthod can transcend the ex-post claims. Soon, we should have additional information about how each of these charts do in terms of the predictions made. Best regards, C SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino wrote: > > Dear C. > > It will be a good exercise. > > However, some exact predictions were also made with the US rectified > chart, which lead us to the conclusion that a few predictions will not be > enough to be 100% sure about the correctedness of any chart. It has to > explain not just a few past/future events, but all the events that > happened in the past, as well. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > Hello list, > > > > On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to the USA > > due to its large economic size and global military influence and to > > finding a chart that would best describe and predict the country´s > > collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say the > > least. > > > > Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the Declaration > > of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a long time been > > studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants. None, however, > > seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate predictions. Hence, the > > search has gone elsewhere. > > > > On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1 March 1781, > > when the final ratification of the Articles of Confederation took place. > > This chart has the sign Cancer rising and therefore assumes the symbolic > > act took place in the afternoon on that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact, > > giving 21° Cancer as rising. This chart was rectified and promoted on > > the basis of SA from 1996. Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree > > was arrived at on the basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned, > > Mr. Ron Grimes. On the basis of this chart, there were many correct and > > significant predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was > > predicted in September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist > > attacks and the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban > > regime of Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the > > attack by the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of > > the actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton > > electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following days and > > weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to take place from the > > Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by L8 Saturn to natal L3 > > Mercury lifted. This prediction also was realised. > > > > John TWB has more recently provided clear historical information that > > shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day, or around > > noon time. This information is at odds with the later time giving 21° > > Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart faded on the > > list. This reaction is understandable but also perhaps premature. Any > > chart that has resulted in accurate predictions should be allowed to be > > rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If the chart does not fail > > in prediction, it would imply that there is a rare probability that > > something happened on the afternoon of that day, not reflected in the > > historical dcouments, that makes this slightly later time the actual or > > symbolic moment the USA as a federal state came into being. Hence, it > > should only be discarded if predictions on the basis of it turn out to > > be wrong and thus disprove its merit. This post is a step in that > > direction. > > > > Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on information > > from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with 15° Scorpio > > rising. The historical documents reveal that the document was actually > > signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John TWB have > > identified. This chart also needs to be followed with predictions to see > > if it has merit. > > > > It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two charts > > suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them can therefore > > be correct. > > > > The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices and stock > > prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on the economy > > going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making these planets active > > in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will be aspecting natal > > L4 Venus in September and October. Please note that it natally afflicts > > Venus, suggesting amongst other things an inherent vulnerability of > > Venus functional and general indications to this contact. The nodes will > > then be stationary this Autumn while afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs, > > with also tr L6 Jupiter adding to the affliction in late October and > > November. Tr Ketu will also become stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007 > > and tr L8 Saturn will again afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the > > sign change of the major planets in the fall is not particularily > > problematic, except that tr L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal > > placement at 6° Scorpio and then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit > > Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under the exact > > affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period begins in > > September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of military involvement by > > the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period from July 1939 > > signalled the involvement of USA in WWII. > > > > The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant problems. > > Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart in October is > > that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under conditions of > > pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US position abroad in > > this time frame. Overall, the outlook is therefore more favourable, > > importantly, as no important and long standing afflictions appear to be > > active. > > > > In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject rectified > > charts is an essential part of scientific methodology and SA. We will > > soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and months. > > > > Best regards, > > > > C > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small > > Business. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 > The 21° Cancer rising chart [for the USA] suggests that both > housing prices and stock prices may decline this Autumn, which > would create a drag on the economy going forward. (Msg 11409 on Sep 3, 2006) Hello list, The news today is not so encouraging for the US economy. We will continue to follow how it develops in coming weeks and months. Best regards, C US housing slowdown continues By Daniel Pimlott and Michael Mackenzie in New York Published: September 25 2006 16:05 | Last updated: September 25 2006 16:05 Prices of existing homes fell for the first time in 11 years and the backlog of available homes for sale was at its highest since current measures began, underlining the significant slowdown in the housing market. Existing-home sales slipped 0.5 per cent to an annual rate of 6.30m units in August from a level of 6.33m July, according to the National Association of Realtors. They were 12.6 per cent down on the year before Economists had expected a fall in sales to 6.2m, following a sharp 4.1 per cent decline in sales in July. " The housing market continues to weaken, but the deterioration in this report was relatively modest, " said John Ryding, economist at Bear Stearns. The Federal Reserve has recently justified its pause in interest rate rises by saying that weakness in the housing sector will put the brakes on growth and help slow down inflation. The latest numbers suggest that the central bank may soon start lowering rates. `'Housing is in trouble, the economy is a lot weaker than people think and the Fed will ease policy much faster than what is currently priced by markets,'' said Michael Kastner, head of fixed income at SterlingStamos. The housing data pulled the yield on the two-year Treasury note down to about 4.65 per cent, its lowest level since March. David Lereah, the NAR's chief economist, said home sales appeared to be levelling out after a sharp drop in July. " After a stronger-than- expected drop in July, the fairly even sales numbers in August tell us the market is at a more sustainable pace, " he said. The decline follows weak data on housing starts and building permits in August. The median existing home price was $225,000 in August, down 1.7 per cent from a year earlier - the first price fall since 1995 and the second biggest decline on record . " This is the price correction we've been expecting – with sales stabilising, we should go back to positive price growth early next year, " Mr Lereah said. Housing inventory levels rose 1.5 per cent to a 7.5 month supply at the current sales pace, compared with 6.3 months in July, and 4.7 months at this time last year. The inventory was at its highest since since condominiums were added to the survey in 1999. Existing home sales account for about 85 per cent of the housing market. They have fallen every month since March. SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello list, > > On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to the USA due to its large economic size and global military influence and to finding a chart that would best describe and predict the country´s collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say the least. > > Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the Declaration of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a long time been studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants. None, however, seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate predictions. Hence, the search has gone elsewhere. > > On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1 March 1781, when the final ratification of the Articles of Confederation took place. This chart has the sign Cancer rising and therefore assumes the symbolic act took place in the afternoon on that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact, giving 21° Cancer as rising. This chart was rectified and promoted on the basis of SA from 1996. Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree was arrived at on the basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned, Mr. Ron Grimes. On the basis of this chart, there were many correct and significant predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was predicted in September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist attacks and the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban regime of Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the attack by the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of the actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton > electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following days and weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to take place from the Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by L8 Saturn to natal L3 Mercury lifted. This prediction also was realised. > > John TWB has more recently provided clear historical information that shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day, or around noon time. This information is at odds with the later time giving 21° Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart faded on the list. This reaction is understandable but also perhaps premature. Any chart that has resulted in accurate predictions should be allowed to be rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If the chart does not fail in prediction, it would imply that there is a rare probability that something happened on the afternoon of that day, not reflected in the historical dcouments, that makes this slightly later time the actual or symbolic moment the USA as a federal state came into being. Hence, it should only be discarded if predictions on the basis of it turn out to be wrong and thus disprove its merit. This post is a step in that direction. > > Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on information from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with 15° Scorpio rising. The historical documents reveal that the document was actually signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John TWB have identified. This chart also needs to be followed with predictions to see if it has merit. > > It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two charts suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them can therefore be correct. > > The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices and stock prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on the economy going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making these planets active in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will be aspecting natal L4 Venus in September and October. Please note that it natally afflicts Venus, suggesting amongst other things an inherent vulnerability of Venus functional and general indications to this contact. The nodes will then be stationary this Autumn while afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs, with also tr L6 Jupiter adding to the affliction in late October and November. Tr Ketu will also become stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007 and tr L8 Saturn will again afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the sign change of the major planets in the fall is not particularily problematic, except that tr L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal placement at 6° Scorpio and then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit > Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under the exact affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period begins in September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of military involvement by the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period from July 1939 signalled the involvement of USA in WWII. > > The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant problems. Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart in October is that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under conditions of pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US position abroad in this time frame. Overall, the outlook is therefore more favourable, importantly, as no important and long standing afflictions appear to be active. > > In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject rectified charts is an essential part of scientific methodology and SA. We will soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and months. > > Best regards, > > C > > > > > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 October 11, 2006 -- Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. housing slump will weaken the economy more than previously forecast, prompting the Federal Reserve to reduce interest rates by June, a Bloomberg News survey showed. Fed policy makers, who ended a two-year cycle of interest- rate increases in August, are watching the housing market as they contemplate their next move. Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke last week said housing is undergoing a " substantial correction'' that will lop a percentage point off growth in the second half of this year. SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > > The 21° Cancer rising chart [for the USA] suggests that both > > housing prices and stock prices may decline this Autumn, which > > would create a drag on the economy going forward. > (Msg 11409 on Sep 3, 2006) > > Hello list, > > The news today is not so encouraging for the US economy. We will > continue to follow how it develops in coming weeks and months. > > Best regards, > > C > > US housing slowdown continues > By Daniel Pimlott and Michael Mackenzie in New York > > Published: September 25 2006 16:05 | Last updated: September 25 2006 > 16:05 > > Prices of existing homes fell for the first time in 11 years and the > backlog of available homes for sale was at its highest since current > measures began, underlining the significant slowdown in the housing > market. > > Existing-home sales slipped 0.5 per cent to an annual rate of 6.30m > units in August from a level of 6.33m July, according to the National > Association of Realtors. They were 12.6 per cent down on the year > before > > Economists had expected a fall in sales to 6.2m, following a sharp > 4.1 per cent decline in sales in July. > > " The housing market continues to weaken, but the deterioration in > this report was relatively modest, " said John Ryding, economist at > Bear Stearns. > > The Federal Reserve has recently justified its pause in interest rate > rises by saying that weakness in the housing sector will put the > brakes on growth and help slow down inflation. The latest numbers > suggest that the central bank may soon start lowering rates. > > `'Housing is in trouble, the economy is a lot weaker than people > think and the Fed will ease policy much faster than what is currently > priced by markets,'' said Michael Kastner, head of fixed income at > SterlingStamos. > > The housing data pulled the yield on the two-year Treasury note down > to about 4.65 per cent, its lowest level since March. > > David Lereah, the NAR's chief economist, said home sales appeared to > be levelling out after a sharp drop in July. " After a stronger- than- > expected drop in July, the fairly even sales numbers in August tell > us the market is at a more sustainable pace, " he said. > > The decline follows weak data on housing starts and building permits > in August. > > The median existing home price was $225,000 in August, down 1.7 per > cent from a year earlier - the first price fall since 1995 and the > second biggest decline on record . " This is the price correction > we've been expecting – with sales stabilising, we should go back to > positive price growth early next year, " Mr Lereah said. > > Housing inventory levels rose 1.5 per cent to a 7.5 month supply at > the current sales pace, compared with 6.3 months in July, and 4.7 > months at this time last year. The inventory was at its highest since > since condominiums were added to the survey in 1999. > > Existing home sales account for about 85 per cent of the housing > market. They have fallen every month since March. > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Hello list, > > > > On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to the > USA due to its large economic size and global military influence and > to finding a chart that would best describe and predict the country´s > collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say the > least. > > > > Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the > Declaration of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a long > time been studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants. None, > however, seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate predictions. > Hence, the search has gone elsewhere. > > > > On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1 > March 1781, when the final ratification of the Articles of > Confederation took place. This chart has the sign Cancer rising and > therefore assumes the symbolic act took place in the afternoon on > that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact, giving 21° Cancer as rising. This > chart was rectified and promoted on the basis of SA from 1996. > Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree was arrived at on the > basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned, Mr. Ron Grimes. On > the basis of this chart, there were many correct and significant > predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was predicted in > September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist attacks and > the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban regime of > Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the attack by > the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of the > actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton > > electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following > days and weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to take > place from the Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by L8 > Saturn to natal L3 Mercury lifted. This prediction also was realised. > > > > John TWB has more recently provided clear historical information > that shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day, or > around noon time. This information is at odds with the later time > giving 21° Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart > faded on the list. This reaction is understandable but also perhaps > premature. Any chart that has resulted in accurate predictions should > be allowed to be rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If the > chart does not fail in prediction, it would imply that there is a > rare probability that something happened on the afternoon of that > day, not reflected in the historical dcouments, that makes this > slightly later time the actual or symbolic moment the USA as a > federal state came into being. Hence, it should only be discarded if > predictions on the basis of it turn out to be wrong and thus disprove > its merit. This post is a step in that direction. > > > > Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on > information from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with 15° > Scorpio rising. The historical documents reveal that the document was > actually signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John TWB > have identified. This chart also needs to be followed with > predictions to see if it has merit. > > > > It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two > charts suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them can > therefore be correct. > > > > The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices and > stock prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on > the economy going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making these > planets active in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will be > aspecting natal L4 Venus in September and October. Please note that > it natally afflicts Venus, suggesting amongst other things an > inherent vulnerability of Venus functional and general indications to > this contact. The nodes will then be stationary this Autumn while > afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs, with also tr L6 Jupiter adding to > the affliction in late October and November. Tr Ketu will also become > stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007 and tr L8 Saturn will again > afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the sign change of the major > planets in the fall is not particularily problematic, except that tr > L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal placement at 6° Scorpio and > then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit > > Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under the > exact affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period > begins in September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of military > involvement by the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period from > July 1939 signalled the involvement of USA in WWII. > > > > The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant > problems. Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart in > October is that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under > conditions of pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US > position abroad in this time frame. Overall, the outlook is therefore > more favourable, importantly, as no important and long standing > afflictions appear to be active. > > > > In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject > rectified charts is an essential part of scientific methodology and > SA. We will soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and months. > > > > Best regards, > > > > C > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. > Small Business. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Sales of Existing Homes Fall Oct 25 10:15 AM US/Eastern By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer WASHINGTON Sales of existing homes fell for a sixth straight month in September and the median sales price dropped on an annual basis by the largest amount on record, further documenting a lukewarm housing market. The National Association of Realtors reported that sales of previously owned homes fell by 1.9 percent in September to a seasonally adjusted sales pace of 6.18 million units, the slowest sales rate since January 2004. The median price of a single-family home fell to $219,800 last month, a drop of 2.5 percent from the price in September 2005. That was the biggest year-over-year price decline in records going back nearly four decades. SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > October 11, 2006 -- Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. housing slump > will weaken the economy more than previously forecast, prompting the > Federal Reserve to reduce interest rates by June, a Bloomberg News > survey showed. Fed policy makers, who ended a two-year cycle of > interest- rate increases in August, are watching the housing market > as they contemplate their next move. Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke > last week said housing is undergoing a " substantial correction'' > that will lop a percentage point off growth in the second half of > this year. > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > The 21° Cancer rising chart [for the USA] suggests that both > > > housing prices and stock prices may decline this Autumn, which > > > would create a drag on the economy going forward. > > (Msg 11409 on Sep 3, 2006) > > > > Hello list, > > > > The news today is not so encouraging for the US economy. We will > > continue to follow how it develops in coming weeks and months. > > > > Best regards, > > > > C > > > > US housing slowdown continues > > By Daniel Pimlott and Michael Mackenzie in New York > > > > Published: September 25 2006 16:05 | Last updated: September 25 > 2006 > > 16:05 > > > > Prices of existing homes fell for the first time in 11 years and > the > > backlog of available homes for sale was at its highest since > current > > measures began, underlining the significant slowdown in the > housing > > market. > > > > Existing-home sales slipped 0.5 per cent to an annual rate of > 6.30m > > units in August from a level of 6.33m July, according to the > National > > Association of Realtors. They were 12.6 per cent down on the year > > before > > > > Economists had expected a fall in sales to 6.2m, following a sharp > > 4.1 per cent decline in sales in July. > > > > " The housing market continues to weaken, but the deterioration in > > this report was relatively modest, " said John Ryding, economist at > > Bear Stearns. > > > > The Federal Reserve has recently justified its pause in interest > rate > > rises by saying that weakness in the housing sector will put the > > brakes on growth and help slow down inflation. The latest numbers > > suggest that the central bank may soon start lowering rates. > > > > `'Housing is in trouble, the economy is a lot weaker than people > > think and the Fed will ease policy much faster than what is > currently > > priced by markets,'' said Michael Kastner, head of fixed income at > > SterlingStamos. > > > > The housing data pulled the yield on the two-year Treasury note > down > > to about 4.65 per cent, its lowest level since March. > > > > David Lereah, the NAR's chief economist, said home sales appeared > to > > be levelling out after a sharp drop in July. " After a stronger- > than- > > expected drop in July, the fairly even sales numbers in August > tell > > us the market is at a more sustainable pace, " he said. > > > > The decline follows weak data on housing starts and building > permits > > in August. > > > > The median existing home price was $225,000 in August, down 1.7 > per > > cent from a year earlier - the first price fall since 1995 and the > > second biggest decline on record . " This is the price correction > > we've been expecting – with sales stabilising, we should go back > to > > positive price growth early next year, " Mr Lereah said. > > > > Housing inventory levels rose 1.5 per cent to a 7.5 month supply > at > > the current sales pace, compared with 6.3 months in July, and 4.7 > > months at this time last year. The inventory was at its highest > since > > since condominiums were added to the survey in 1999. > > > > Existing home sales account for about 85 per cent of the housing > > market. They have fallen every month since March. > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello list, > > > > > > On SAMVA as elsewhere considerable attention has been paid to > the > > USA due to its large economic size and global military influence > and > > to finding a chart that would best describe and predict the > country´s > > collective destiny. The discussion has been wide ranging, to say > the > > least. > > > > > > Fourtth of July 1776 has traditionally been the day when the > > Declaration of Independence is celebrated. This date has for a > long > > time been studied closely in terms of all plausible ascendants. > None, > > however, seemed to give a good fit or result in accurate > predictions. > > Hence, the search has gone elsewhere. > > > > > > On the SA lists discussion has also focused on a chart for 1 > > March 1781, when the final ratification of the Articles of > > Confederation took place. This chart has the sign Cancer rising > and > > therefore assumes the symbolic act took place in the afternoon on > > that day, at 3:18 PM to be exact, giving 21° Cancer as rising. > This > > chart was rectified and promoted on the basis of SA from 1996. > > Interestingtly, the actual ascending degree was arrived at on the > > basis of intuition by the astrologer concerned, Mr. Ron Grimes. On > > the basis of this chart, there were many correct and significant > > predictions made. In July 2001, military activity was predicted in > > September 2001. What turned ot was the " 9/11 " terrorist attacks > and > > the subsequent attack of US military forces on the Taliban regime > of > > Afghanistan on 7 October 2001. In mid September 2001, the attack > by > > the US was predicted with an accurary of fifteen minutes of the > > actual time of 12:30 PM that day. The accuracy of this predicton > > > electrified SAMVA discussion and it multiplied in the following > > days and weeks. A recovery of US stock prices was predicted to > take > > place from the Spring of 2003 when a long standing affliction by > L8 > > Saturn to natal L3 Mercury lifted. This prediction also was > realised. > > > > > > John TWB has more recently provided clear historical > information > > that shows the actual ratification took place earlier in the day, > or > > around noon time. This information is at odds with the later time > > giving 21° Cancer rising. As a cnonsequence, interest in the chart > > faded on the list. This reaction is understandable but also > perhaps > > premature. Any chart that has resulted in accurate predictions > should > > be allowed to be rejected on the basis of failed predictions. If > the > > chart does not fail in prediction, it would imply that there is a > > rare probability that something happened on the afternoon of that > > day, not reflected in the historical dcouments, that makes this > > slightly later time the actual or symbolic moment the USA as a > > federal state came into being. Hence, it should only be discarded > if > > predictions on the basis of it turn out to be wrong and thus > disprove > > its merit. This post is a step in that direction. > > > > > > Importantly, our very own Jorge Angelino has, based also on > > information from John TWB, rectified a chart for 2 July 1776 with > 15° > > Scorpio rising. The historical documents reveal that the document > was > > actually signed on this day and at around the time Jorge and John > TWB > > have identified. This chart also needs to be followed with > > predictions to see if it has merit. > > > > > > It is interesting to compare the dissimilar outlook these two > > charts suggest for the USA economy in this fall. Only one of them > can > > therefore be correct. > > > > > > The 21° Cancer rising chart suggests that both housing prices > and > > stock prices may decline this Autumn, which would create a drag on > > the economy going forward. Ve/Ra/Sa period is running, making > these > > planets active in transit, especially Rahu. Transit L8 Saturn will > be > > aspecting natal L4 Venus in September and October. Please note > that > > it natally afflicts Venus, suggesting amongst other things an > > inherent vulnerability of Venus functional and general indications > to > > this contact. The nodes will then be stationary this Autumn while > > afflicting L3 Mercury at 0° Piscs, with also tr L6 Jupiter adding > to > > the affliction in late October and November. Tr Ketu will also > become > > stationary in H2 MEP in early 2007 and tr L8 Saturn will again > > afflict L4 Venus next spring. Otherwise, the sign change of the > major > > planets in the fall is not particularily problematic, except that > tr > > L6 Jupiter will pass over its own natal placement at 6° Scorpio > and > > then L8 Saturn at 28° Scorpio. Transit > > > Saturn in H2 will in early 2008 also become stationary under > the > > exact affliction of natal Rahu in H10. Finally, the Ve/Ju period > > begins in September 2008, suggesting also increased risk of > military > > involvement by the USA at that time. By comparison, Ju/Ju period > from > > July 1939 signalled the involvement of USA in WWII. > > > > > > The 15° Scorpio rising chart does not show such significant > > problems. Ve/Sa/Ma period is running. The challenge in this chart > in > > October is that many planets will be bunched up in H12 under > > conditions of pervaisive weakness. There might be erosion of US > > position abroad in this time frame. Overall, the outlook is > therefore > > more favourable, importantly, as no important and long standing > > afflictions appear to be active. > > > > > > In any event, the use of predictions to confirm or reject > > rectified charts is an essential part of scientific methodology > and > > SA. We will soon see what transpires in the coming weeks and > months. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. > > > Small Business. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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