Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 It seems the DJIA made its debut on 26May1896 at 40.94how about 10am ( or 10:10am) for time ? Lowest recorded value 28.48 on 8Aug 1896. http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/DJIA_Hist_Comp.pdf cheers prem On 7 Check out the new Great Outdoors site with video highlights and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Hi Prem, *************************************** BACKGROUND From December 1, 1873 until September 29, 1952 the NYSE traded between ten and three o'clock, Monday - Friday, and ten to twelve on Saturday. ***************************************** Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ........... 10:00 hrs [opening bell] Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ............. 15:00 hrs [3:00 p.m. @ closing bell] Should one mark the birth moment when Charles Dow commenced tracking the daily evolving average, at the opening bell ??? Or should one mark it at the moment of the resulting average for the day, being 40.94, the first published end-of-day average ?? Biting criticism most welcome here. Cheers, JOHN ski woka <skiwoka wrote: It seems the DJIA made its debut on 26May1896 at 40.94how about 10am ( or 10:10am) for time ? Lowest recorded value 28.48 on 8Aug 1896. http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/DJIA_Hist_Comp.pdf cheers prem On 7Check out the new Great Outdoors site with video highlights and more Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear List, This is a nice topic. Before such a question can be addressed, the proper understanding needs to be there. What exactly is the DJIA? In short, it is a measure of the health and direction of the stock market. It's an idex comprising of 30 corporations spanning different industries. Note well, it is merely a method of tracking - this is the key phrase in this paragraph. Of course, like most things trackable with numbers attached to it, it inspires betting on itself directly. So, if I found a savvy method to measure temperature (!!!) in real time and plotted it on graph, is this something that determines temperature or does it merely record what the temperature is/was? The answer is obvious - it simply records. The fact that people start taking bets on the future direction of my plot is irrelevant. The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. However the graphical display can tell me that there are certain trends and this gives the illusion that my temperature measurement determines the future. So this closed feedback 'system' is artificial as it only exists in the minds of those who don't understand the foundation. Unfortunately, some of the most intelligent fall into this trap. [The following is food for thought on 'how to do it'] What do we do to understand the stock market and specifically the DJIA? The following considerations: 1) The USA chart 2) The natal chart of the 30 companies involved Complex and near impossible? Yes, so a simpler method involves the reckoning of the ascendants of these 31 and a tally of the financial health and strength of them in transit can yield a good result. For example if we had 12 Libras, 3 Geminis, 10 Cancers, etc. and we fuel that into a price weighting algorithm (like the DJIA uses), we might come up with tomorrow's plot. Sill too complex? Simpler - find the ruling signs and planets of the industries represented by the 30 corporations. So now you are dealing with only a few ascendants. A composite plot of the transit financial health and strength of those industries will give us a fantastic view of the future direction. For those interested in doing this, two things are required 1) Brilliance on the basics of SA 2) Spreadsheet savvy(ness) Best regards, Vyas Munidas - JohnTWB SAMVA Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:43 AM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal Hi Prem, *************************************** BACKGROUND From December 1, 1873 until September 29, 1952 the NYSE traded between ten and three o'clock, Monday - Friday, and ten to twelve on Saturday. ***************************************** Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ........... 10:00 hrs [opening bell] Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ............. 15:00 hrs [3:00 p.m. @ closing bell] Should one mark the birth moment when Charles Dow commenced tracking the daily evolving average, at the opening bell ??? Or should one mark it at the moment of the resulting average for the day, being 40.94, the first published end-of-day average ?? Biting criticism most welcome here. Cheers, JOHN ski woka <skiwoka .au> wrote: It seems the DJIA made its debut on 26May1896 at 40.94how about 10am ( or 10:10am) for time ? Lowest recorded value 28.48 on 8Aug 1896. http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/DJIA_Hist_Comp.pdf cheers prem On 7Check out the new Great Outdoors site with video highlights and more Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 To John Thanx yet again and a mighty one ! "blazingstar" how appropriate - your researchs are like one ! Thankyou. Vyas Simply speaking and not trying to pick an argument, I would treat DJIA chart as we treat different country charts. I am not sure but there maybe a term in Jyotish "Jatak & Parijatak" which i presume means living and non-living. "Composite plot" , price weighting algorithm & other such techniques are statistical constructs and there are many in technical analysis which have an appropriate use in trading the markets but maybe not here. If you intend to insist then lets agree to disagree. I have come to believe that there's no chance is nature. DJIA shouldn't be an exception. Its own natal chart should suffice. >>The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. I humbly disagree. Maybe the analogy is inappropriate. If what you are saying is true then there's no basis for Jyotish or any astrology. To simplify your assertion above would be to say: does the time that I was born determine my future doings, goings and comings ? or a country's or anything's or anyone's ? Lets not shy away from the methods of SA and Jyotish and Astrology. Rather than reverting to redeveloping yet another conceptual framework to work from, lets just simply use SA. Our learned and esteemed guru has provided us the tools. The proof of the pudding can be had through eating anyway ! LOL Finally like John said : Biting criticism most welcome here but would be most appropriate AFTER making an effort to apply SA rather than just intellectualising everything. My 0.5cents worth humbly prem Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear List, This is a nice topic. Before such a question can be addressed, the proper understanding needs to be there. What exactly is the DJIA? In short, it is a measure of the health and direction of the stock market. It's an idex comprising of 30 corporations spanning different industries. Note well, it is merely a method of tracking - this is the key phrase in this paragraph. Of course, like most things trackable with numbers attached to it, it inspires betting on itself directly. So, if I found a savvy method to measure temperature (!!!) in real time and plotted it on graph, is this something that determines temperature or does it merely record what the temperature is/was? The answer is obvious - it simply records. The fact that people start taking bets on the future direction of my plot is irrelevant. The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. However the graphical display can tell me that there are certain trends and this gives the illusion that my temperature measurement determines the future. So this closed feedback 'system' is artificial as it only exists in the minds of those who don't understand the foundation. Unfortunately, some of the most intelligent fall into this trap. [The following is food for thought on 'how to do it'] What do we do to understand the stock market and specifically the DJIA? The following considerations: 1) The USA chart 2) The natal chart of the 30 companies involved Complex and near impossible? Yes, so a simpler method involves the reckoning of the ascendants of these 31 and a tally of the financial health and strength of them in transit can yield a good result. For example if we had 12 Libras, 3 Geminis, 10 Cancers, etc. and we fuel that into a price weighting algorithm (like the DJIA uses), we might come up with tomorrow's plot. Sill too complex? Simpler - find the ruling signs and planets of the industries represented by the 30 corporations. So now you are dealing with only a few ascendants. A composite plot of the transit financial health and strength of those industries will give us a fantastic view of the future direction. For those interested in doing this, two things are required 1) Brilliance on the basics of SA 2) Spreadsheet savvy(ness) Best regards, Vyas Munidas JohnTWB SAMVA Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:43 AM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal Hi Prem, *************************************** BACKGROUND From December 1, 1873 until September 29, 1952 the NYSE traded between ten and three o'clock, Monday - Friday, and ten to twelve on Saturday. ***************************************** Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ........... 10:00 hrs [opening bell] Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ............. 15:00 hrs [3:00 p.m. @ closing bell] Should one mark the birth moment when Charles Dow commenced tracking the daily evolving average, at the opening bell ??? Or should one mark it at the moment of the resulting average for the day, being 40.94, the first published end-of-day average ?? Biting criticism most welcome here. Cheers, JOHN ski woka <skiwoka .au> wrote: It seems the DJIA made its debut on 26May1896 at 40.94how about 10am ( or 10:10am) for time ? Lowest recorded value 28.48 on 8Aug 1896. http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/DJIA_Hist_Comp.pdf cheers, prem On 7 360°: Your blog, photos, interests, and what matters to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Hi Prem, Correct, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Good luck! Best regards, Vyas Munidas - ski woka SAMVA Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:13 PM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal To John Thanx yet again and a mighty one ! "blazingstar" how appropriate - your researchs are like one ! Thankyou. Vyas Simply speaking and not trying to pick an argument, I would treat DJIA chart as we treat different country charts. I am not sure but there maybe a term in Jyotish "Jatak & Parijatak" which i presume means living and non-living. "Composite plot" , price weighting algorithm & other such techniques are statistical constructs and there are many in technical analysis which have an appropriate use in trading the markets but maybe not here. If you intend to insist then lets agree to disagree. I have come to believe that there's no chance is nature. DJIA shouldn't be an exception. Its own natal chart should suffice. >>The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. I humbly disagree. Maybe the analogy is inappropriate. If what you are saying is true then there's no basis for Jyotish or any astrology. To simplify your assertion above would be to say: does the time that I was born determine my future doings, goings and comings ? or a country's or anything's or anyone's ? Lets not shy away from the methods of SA and Jyotish and Astrology. Rather than reverting to redeveloping yet another conceptual framework to work from, lets just simply use SA. Our learned and esteemed guru has provided us the tools. The proof of the pudding can be had through eating anyway ! LOL Finally like John said : Biting criticism most welcome here but would be most appropriate AFTER making an effort to apply SA rather than just intellectualising everything. My 0.5cents worth humbly prem Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: Dear List, This is a nice topic. Before such a question can be addressed, the proper understanding needs to be there. What exactly is the DJIA? In short, it is a measure of the health and direction of the stock market. It's an idex comprising of 30 corporations spanning different industries. Note well, it is merely a method of tracking - this is the key phrase in this paragraph. Of course, like most things trackable with numbers attached to it, it inspires betting on itself directly. So, if I found a savvy method to measure temperature (!!!) in real time and plotted it on graph, is this something that determines temperature or does it merely record what the temperature is/was? The answer is obvious - it simply records. The fact that people start taking bets on the future direction of my plot is irrelevant. The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. However the graphical display can tell me that there are certain trends and this gives the illusion that my temperature measurement determines the future. So this closed feedback 'system' is artificial as it only exists in the minds of those who don't understand the foundation. Unfortunately, some of the most intelligent fall into this trap. [The following is food for thought on 'how to do it'] What do we do to understand the stock market and specifically the DJIA? The following considerations: 1) The USA chart 2) The natal chart of the 30 companies involved Complex and near impossible? Yes, so a simpler method involves the reckoning of the ascendants of these 31 and a tally of the financial health and strength of them in transit can yield a good result. For example if we had 12 Libras, 3 Geminis, 10 Cancers, etc. and we fuel that into a price weighting algorithm (like the DJIA uses), we might come up with tomorrow's plot. Sill too complex? Simpler - find the ruling signs and planets of the industries represented by the 30 corporations. So now you are dealing with only a few ascendants. A composite plot of the transit financial health and strength of those industries will give us a fantastic view of the future direction. For those interested in doing this, two things are required 1) Brilliance on the basics of SA 2) Spreadsheet savvy(ness) Best regards, Vyas Munidas JohnTWB SAMVA Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:43 AM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal Hi Prem, *************************************** BACKGROUND From December 1, 1873 until September 29, 1952 the NYSE traded between ten and three o'clock, Monday - Friday, and ten to twelve on Saturday. ***************************************** Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ........... 10:00 hrs [opening bell] Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ............. 15:00 hrs [3:00 p.m. @ closing bell] Should one mark the birth moment when Charles Dow commenced tracking the daily evolving average, at the opening bell ??? Or should one mark it at the moment of the resulting average for the day, being 40.94, the first published end-of-day average ?? Biting criticism most welcome here. Cheers, JOHN ski woka <skiwoka .au> wrote: It seems the DJIA made its debut on 26May1896 at 40.94how about 10am ( or 10:10am) for time ? Lowest recorded value 28.48 on 8Aug 1896. http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/DJIA_Hist_Comp.pdf cheers, prem On 7 360°: Your blog, photos, interests, and what matters to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hi Prem, I didn't get a chance to address your email properly earlier and just wanted to acknowledge it. Firstly, thank you for your reply. It's good feedback. I'd like to point out that the approach I stated isn't outside of SA. When I first joined this group I asked how can one predict the movement of currency. told me that the chart for each country has to be considered and the stronger triple transit bearer is the winner. Perhaps you didn't read this thread and aren't aware of the Professor's opinion. In my first proposal if we consider the natal data of each of the 30 companies accordingly and give them the weighting the DJIA does, we would in fact be able to predict the movement into the future. This is mathematically sound and completely inline with SA principles. Find the natal data of 30 companies? That's a horribly difficult task because one can't even establish the natal data of the one DJIA even after so many years of trying. The suspected natals of the DJIA do not give perfectly consistent results. Prove me wrong if what I say is untrue. My second proposal is a simpler approach - consider the ascendants transits of the industries that comprise the DJIA and give them weight as the DJIA does. While this is more innacurate than the first because there's no triple transit consideration, the assumption is that it will average out and you will be ahead of most. One may consider this to be a case of trying to touch your nose by going around your head, but it is nonetheless theoretically sound and a valid shortcut (to be paradoxical). I would like to point out that from the chart of India, has accurately predicted the strength and direction of its stock market. This is independant of the natal data for its establishment. From his example, approach and results, one may consider that the pursuit of the DJIA natal chart is somewhat futile? I don't know, we can ask his opinion. Perhaps efforts should be put into fully establishing the natal of the USA. Additionally, my suggestions aren't merely theoretical. One of my old professors used to quote his father in German, it translates to, "Try it, then you don't have to wonder." Best regards, Vyas Munidas - ski woka SAMVA Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:13 PM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal To John Thanx yet again and a mighty one ! "blazingstar" how appropriate - your researchs are like one ! Thankyou. Vyas Simply speaking and not trying to pick an argument, I would treat DJIA chart as we treat different country charts. I am not sure but there maybe a term in Jyotish "Jatak & Parijatak" which i presume means living and non-living. "Composite plot" , price weighting algorithm & other such techniques are statistical constructs and there are many in technical analysis which have an appropriate use in trading the markets but maybe not here. If you intend to insist then lets agree to disagree. I have come to believe that there's no chance is nature. DJIA shouldn't be an exception. Its own natal chart should suffice. >>The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. I humbly disagree. Maybe the analogy is inappropriate. If what you are saying is true then there's no basis for Jyotish or any astrology. To simplify your assertion above would be to say: does the time that I was born determine my future doings, goings and comings ? or a country's or anything's or anyone's ? Lets not shy away from the methods of SA and Jyotish and Astrology. Rather than reverting to redeveloping yet another conceptual framework to work from, lets just simply use SA. Our learned and esteemed guru has provided us the tools. The proof of the pudding can be had through eating anyway ! LOL Finally like John said : Biting criticism most welcome here but would be most appropriate AFTER making an effort to apply SA rather than just intellectualising everything. My 0.5cents worth humbly prem Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: Dear List, This is a nice topic. Before such a question can be addressed, the proper understanding needs to be there. What exactly is the DJIA? In short, it is a measure of the health and direction of the stock market. It's an idex comprising of 30 corporations spanning different industries. Note well, it is merely a method of tracking - this is the key phrase in this paragraph. Of course, like most things trackable with numbers attached to it, it inspires betting on itself directly. So, if I found a savvy method to measure temperature (!!!) in real time and plotted it on graph, is this something that determines temperature or does it merely record what the temperature is/was? The answer is obvious - it simply records. The fact that people start taking bets on the future direction of my plot is irrelevant. The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. However the graphical display can tell me that there are certain trends and this gives the illusion that my temperature measurement determines the future. So this closed feedback 'system' is artificial as it only exists in the minds of those who don't understand the foundation. Unfortunately, some of the most intelligent fall into this trap. [The following is food for thought on 'how to do it'] What do we do to understand the stock market and specifically the DJIA? The following considerations: 1) The USA chart 2) The natal chart of the 30 companies involved Complex and near impossible? Yes, so a simpler method involves the reckoning of the ascendants of these 31 and a tally of the financial health and strength of them in transit can yield a good result. For example if we had 12 Libras, 3 Geminis, 10 Cancers, etc. and we fuel that into a price weighting algorithm (like the DJIA uses), we might come up with tomorrow's plot. Sill too complex? Simpler - find the ruling signs and planets of the industries represented by the 30 corporations. So now you are dealing with only a few ascendants. A composite plot of the transit financial health and strength of those industries will give us a fantastic view of the future direction. For those interested in doing this, two things are required 1) Brilliance on the basics of SA 2) Spreadsheet savvy(ness) Best regards, Vyas Munidas JohnTWB SAMVA Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:43 AM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal Hi Prem, *************************************** BACKGROUND From December 1, 1873 until September 29, 1952 the NYSE traded between ten and three o'clock, Monday - Friday, and ten to twelve on Saturday. ***************************************** Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ........... 10:00 hrs [opening bell] Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ............. 15:00 hrs [3:00 p.m. @ closing bell] Should one mark the birth moment when Charles Dow commenced tracking the daily evolving average, at the opening bell ??? Or should one mark it at the moment of the resulting average for the day, being 40.94, the first published end-of-day average ?? Biting criticism most welcome here. Cheers, JOHN ski woka <skiwoka .au> wrote: It seems the DJIA made its debut on 26May1896 at 40.94how about 10am ( or 10:10am) for time ? Lowest recorded value 28.48 on 8Aug 1896. http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/DJIA_Hist_Comp.pdf cheers, prem On 7 360°: Your blog, photos, interests, and what matters to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Vyas ji If my reply sounded rash or anything hostile, it wasn't intended to be. But I offer my apologies anyway. I can not pit my experience nor knowledge against the mights of yourself and others in this forum. I'm really very naive when it somes to astro in any form. Having said so I am so thick-skinned that I would still like to add a bit more ! LOL Please let me indulge in some thinking outside-the-square. In most things I do, giving up doesn't seem to be an alternative until the very very end which maybe a few decades in time. So here goes another barrage of "ideasconceptsthinking -out -louds": I don't believe rectifying Dow is such a big deal and I still believe that, that will be the ONLY natal that'll stand up. Its like our esteemed and learned Professor has said about reading a native's life from his/her chart rather than his/her parents. A country's chart would be a chart in totality about a country while Dow's chart should be very individual and specific about Dow. Incidentally I know people using 10am chart but using Western astrological techniques and they seem to be doing well overall, you what i mean. Thankyou and best regards prem Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Hi Prem, I didn't get a chance to address your email properly earlier and just wanted to acknowledge it. Firstly, thank you for your reply. It's good feedback. I'd like to point out that the approach I stated isn't outside of SA. When I first joined this group I asked how can one predict the movement of currency. told me that the chart for each country has to be considered and the stronger triple transit bearer is the winner. Perhaps you didn't read this thread and aren't aware of the Professor's opinion. In my first proposal if we consider the natal data of each of the 30 companies accordingly and give them the weighting the DJIA does, we would in fact be able to predict the movement into the future. This is mathematically sound and completely inline with SA principles. Find the natal data of 30 companies? That's a horribly difficult task because one can't even establish the natal data of the one DJIA even after so many years of trying. The suspected natals of the DJIA do not give perfectly consistent results. Prove me wrong if what I say is untrue. My second proposal is a simpler approach - consider the ascendants transits of the industries that comprise the DJIA and give them weight as the DJIA does. While this is more innacurate than the first because there's no triple transit consideration, the assumption is that it will average out and you will be ahead of most. One may consider this to be a case of trying to touch your nose by going around your head, but it is nonetheless theoretically sound and a valid shortcut (to be paradoxical). I would like to point out that from the chart of India, has accurately predicted the strength and direction of its stock market. This is independant of the natal data for its establishment. From his example, approach and results, one may consider that the pursuit of the DJIA natal chart is somewhat futile? I don't know, we can ask his opinion. Perhaps efforts should be put into fully establishing the natal of the USA. Additionally, my suggestions aren't merely theoretical. One of my old professors used to quote his father in German, it translates to, "Try it, then you don't have to wonder." Best regards, Vyas Munidas ski woka SAMVA Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:13 PM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal To John Thanx yet again and a mighty one ! "blazingstar" how appropriate - your researchs are like one ! Thankyou. Vyas Simply speaking and not trying to pick an argument, I would treat DJIA chart as we treat different country charts. I am not sure but there maybe a term in Jyotish "Jatak & Parijatak" which i presume means living and non-living. "Composite plot" , price weighting algorithm & other such techniques are statistical constructs and there are many in technical analysis which have an appropriate use in trading the markets but maybe not here. If you intend to insist then lets agree to disagree. I have come to believe that there's no chance is nature. DJIA shouldn't be an exception. Its own natal chart should suffice. >>The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. I humbly disagree. Maybe the analogy is inappropriate. If what you are saying is true then there's no basis for Jyotish or any astrology. To simplify your assertion above would be to say: does the time that I was born determine my future doings, goings and comings ? or a country's or anything's or anyone's ? Lets not shy away from the methods of SA and Jyotish and Astrology. Rather than reverting to redeveloping yet another conceptual framework to work from, lets just simply use SA. Our learned and esteemed guru has provided us the tools. The proof of the pudding can be had through eating anyway ! LOL Finally like John said : Biting criticism most welcome here but would be most appropriate AFTER making an effort to apply SA rather than just intellectualising everything. My 0.5cents worth humbly prem Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: Dear List, This is a nice topic. Before such a question can be addressed, the proper understanding needs to be there. What exactly is the DJIA? In short, it is a measure of the health and direction of the stock market. It's an idex comprising of 30 corporations spanning different industries. Note well, it is merely a method of tracking - this is the key phrase in this paragraph. Of course, like most things trackable with numbers attached to it, it inspires betting on itself directly. So, if I found a savvy method to measure temperature (!!!) in real time and plotted it on graph, is this something that determines temperature or does it merely record what the temperature is/was? The answer is obvious - it simply records. The fact that people start taking bets on the future direction of my plot is irrelevant. The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. However the graphical display can tell me that there are certain trends and this gives the illusion that my temperature measurement determines the future. So this closed feedback 'system' is artificial as it only exists in the minds of those who don't understand the foundation. Unfortunately, some of the most intelligent fall into this trap. [The following is food for thought on 'how to do it'] What do we do to understand the stock market and specifically the DJIA? The following considerations: 1) The USA chart 2) The natal chart of the 30 companies involved Complex and near impossible? Yes, so a simpler method involves the reckoning of the ascendants of these 31 and a tally of the financial health and strength of them in transit can yield a good result. For example if we had 12 Libras, 3 Geminis, 10 Cancers, etc. and we fuel that into a price weighting algorithm (like the DJIA uses), we might come up with tomorrow's plot. Sill too complex? Simpler - find the ruling signs and planets of the industries represented by the 30 corporations. So now you are dealing with only a few ascendants. A composite plot of the transit financial health and strength of those industries will give us a fantastic view of the future direction. For those interested in doing this, two things are required 1) Brilliance on the basics of SA 2) Spreadsheet savvy(ness) Best regards, Vyas Munidas JohnTWB SAMVA Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:43 AM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal Hi Prem, *************************************** BACKGROUND From December 1, 1873 until September 29, 1952 the NYSE traded between ten and three o'clock, Monday - Friday, and ten to twelve on Saturday. ***************************************** Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ............ 10:00 hrs [opening bell] Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ............. 15:00 hrs [3:00 p.m. @ closing bell] Should one mark the birth moment when Charles Dow commenced tracking the daily evolving average, at the opening bell ??? Or should one mark it at the moment of the resulting average for the day, being 40.94, the first published end-of-day average ?? Biting criticism most welcome here. Cheers, JOHN ski woka <skiwoka .au> wrote: It seems the DJIA made its debut on 26May1896 at 40.94how about 10am ( or 10:10am) for time ? Lowest recorded value 28.48 on 8Aug 1896. http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/DJIA_Hist_Comp.pdf cheers, prem On 7 Fuel Price Watch - Find and map the cheapest petrol prices in Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hi Prem, A country's accurate natal should tell everything about its stock market. If it can predict the rise and fall its governments, wars, economic stability, nature of the people, mass sentiment, etc then a meaure such as this is implicitly implied. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - ski woka SAMVA Monday, September 11, 2006 10:37 AM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal Vyas ji If my reply sounded rash or anything hostile, it wasn't intended to be. But I offer my apologies anyway. I can not pit my experience nor knowledge against the mights of yourself and others in this forum. I'm really very naive when it somes to astro in any form. Having said so I am so thick-skinned that I would still like to add a bit more ! LOL Please let me indulge in some thinking outside-the-square. In most things I do, giving up doesn't seem to be an alternative until the very very end which maybe a few decades in time. So here goes another barrage of "ideasconceptsthinking -out -louds": I don't believe rectifying Dow is such a big deal and I still believe that, that will be the ONLY natal that'll stand up. Its like our esteemed and learned Professor has said about reading a native's life from his/her chart rather than his/her parents. A country's chart would be a chart in totality about a country while Dow's chart should be very individual and specific about Dow. Incidentally I know people using 10am chart but using Western astrological techniques and they seem to be doing well overall, you what i mean. Thankyou and best regards prem Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Prem, I didn't get a chance to address your email properly earlier and just wanted to acknowledge it. Firstly, thank you for your reply. It's good feedback. I'd like to point out that the approach I stated isn't outside of SA. When I first joined this group I asked how can one predict the movement of currency. told me that the chart for each country has to be considered and the stronger triple transit bearer is the winner. Perhaps you didn't read this thread and aren't aware of the Professor's opinion. In my first proposal if we consider the natal data of each of the 30 companies accordingly and give them the weighting the DJIA does, we would in fact be able to predict the movement into the future. This is mathematically sound and completely inline with SA principles. Find the natal data of 30 companies? That's a horribly difficult task because one can't even establish the natal data of the one DJIA even after so many years of trying. The suspected natals of the DJIA do not give perfectly consistent results. Prove me wrong if what I say is untrue. My second proposal is a simpler approach - consider the ascendants transits of the industries that comprise the DJIA and give them weight as the DJIA does. While this is more innacurate than the first because there's no triple transit consideration, the assumption is that it will average out and you will be ahead of most. One may consider this to be a case of trying to touch your nose by going around your head, but it is nonetheless theoretically sound and a valid shortcut (to be paradoxical). I would like to point out that from the chart of India, has accurately predicted the strength and direction of its stock market. This is independant of the natal data for its establishment. From his example, approach and results, one may consider that the pursuit of the DJIA natal chart is somewhat futile? I don't know, we can ask his opinion. Perhaps efforts should be put into fully establishing the natal of the USA. Additionally, my suggestions aren't merely theoretical. One of my old professors used to quote his father in German, it translates to, "Try it, then you don't have to wonder." Best regards, Vyas Munidas ski woka SAMVA Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:13 PM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal To John Thanx yet again and a mighty one ! "blazingstar" how appropriate - your researchs are like one ! Thankyou. Vyas Simply speaking and not trying to pick an argument, I would treat DJIA chart as we treat different country charts. I am not sure but there maybe a term in Jyotish "Jatak & Parijatak" which i presume means living and non-living. "Composite plot" , price weighting algorithm & other such techniques are statistical constructs and there are many in technical analysis which have an appropriate use in trading the markets but maybe not here. If you intend to insist then lets agree to disagree. I have come to believe that there's no chance is nature. DJIA shouldn't be an exception. Its own natal chart should suffice. >>The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. I humbly disagree. Maybe the analogy is inappropriate. If what you are saying is true then there's no basis for Jyotish or any astrology. To simplify your assertion above would be to say: does the time that I was born determine my future doings, goings and comings ? or a country's or anything's or anyone's ? Lets not shy away from the methods of SA and Jyotish and Astrology. Rather than reverting to redeveloping yet another conceptual framework to work from, lets just simply use SA. Our learned and esteemed guru has provided us the tools. The proof of the pudding can be had through eating anyway ! LOL Finally like John said : Biting criticism most welcome here but would be most appropriate AFTER making an effort to apply SA rather than just intellectualising everything. My 0.5cents worth humbly prem Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: Dear List, This is a nice topic. Before such a question can be addressed, the proper understanding needs to be there. What exactly is the DJIA? In short, it is a measure of the health and direction of the stock market. It's an idex comprising of 30 corporations spanning different industries. Note well, it is merely a method of tracking - this is the key phrase in this paragraph. Of course, like most things trackable with numbers attached to it, it inspires betting on itself directly. So, if I found a savvy method to measure temperature (!!!) in real time and plotted it on graph, is this something that determines temperature or does it merely record what the temperature is/was? The answer is obvious - it simply records. The fact that people start taking bets on the future direction of my plot is irrelevant. The question is then asked, does the time that I start recording temperature for the first time, in my new savvy method meaningful to determine future temperature readings? Certainly not. However the graphical display can tell me that there are certain trends and this gives the illusion that my temperature measurement determines the future. So this closed feedback 'system' is artificial as it only exists in the minds of those who don't understand the foundation. Unfortunately, some of the most intelligent fall into this trap. [The following is food for thought on 'how to do it'] What do we do to understand the stock market and specifically the DJIA? The following considerations: 1) The USA chart 2) The natal chart of the 30 companies involved Complex and near impossible? Yes, so a simpler method involves the reckoning of the ascendants of these 31 and a tally of the financial health and strength of them in transit can yield a good result. For example if we had 12 Libras, 3 Geminis, 10 Cancers, etc. and we fuel that into a price weighting algorithm (like the DJIA uses), we might come up with tomorrow's plot. Sill too complex? Simpler - find the ruling signs and planets of the industries represented by the 30 corporations. So now you are dealing with only a few ascendants. A composite plot of the transit financial health and strength of those industries will give us a fantastic view of the future direction. For those interested in doing this, two things are required 1) Brilliance on the basics of SA 2) Spreadsheet savvy(ness) Best regards, Vyas Munidas JohnTWB SAMVA Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:43 AM Re: DOW JONES DJIA natal Hi Prem, *************************************** BACKGROUND From December 1, 1873 until September 29, 1952 the NYSE traded between ten and three o'clock, Monday - Friday, and ten to twelve on Saturday. ***************************************** Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ........... 10:00 hrs [opening bell] Tuesday, May 26, 1896 ............. 15:00 hrs [3:00 p.m. @ closing bell] Should one mark the birth moment when Charles Dow commenced tracking the daily evolving average, at the opening bell ??? Or should one mark it at the moment of the resulting average for the day, being 40.94, the first published end-of-day average ?? Biting criticism most welcome here. Cheers, JOHN ski woka <skiwoka .au> wrote: It seems the DJIA made its debut on 26May1896 at 40.94how about 10am ( or 10:10am) for time ? Lowest recorded value 28.48 on 8Aug 1896. http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/DJIA_Hist_Comp.pdf cheers, prem On 7Fuel Price Watch - Find and map the cheapest petrol prices in Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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