THAILAND rectified chart

December 22, 2006

THAILANDApr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMTBangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SAPlanet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya SuSun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini KeMoon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya SaMars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo

Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra SaJuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula KeVen 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra SaSat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula KeRahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me

Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra MaTrue Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beatsDay: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AMTithi: Shukla AshtamiYoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

Dagha Rashis: Gem VirRashi Chart******************************************************* ** 11 * * 9 ** *12* * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * JUR08:07 * * * * * SAR10:18* * *VE 03:25 * * * * *

*ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 * *RA 25:20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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December 23, 2006

According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial Celebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who jointly authored the book,THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP [1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves], after King Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6, 1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a new site for his kingdom’s capital city [the future Bangkok], the center of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace. On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn"sip'kam"(the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes aftermidnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner pillar was erected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. The date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782. The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas Campion's lacks. Hope

this radix yields solid predictive value for SAMVA. My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration of this problematic question in Thai history and astrology. Cheers, JOHN [@Jakarta] P.S. THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN THAILAND It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual centre as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of the spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public life. Go to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great care accorded to the preservation of the City Pillar, the "lak muang". In keeping with long tradition, all Thai cities have a

pillar (lak muang) driven into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center point, and to provide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There remains the strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritual energies flow through the city's pillar and out into the community at large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of worshippers. The Bangkok city pillar is still believed by many people to have the power of granting wishes - especially those of childless couples who make devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits to answer their prayers. Of course, the city's pillar is there to be visited throughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees, beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it a special place to take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund small classical music and dance performances to favour the spirits. The

history of these structures indicates that they are not Buddhist; they are rarely found in Buddist temple compounds. They are actually thought to stem from Hindu cosmological beliefs. Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: THAILANDApr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42

LMTBangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SAPlanet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya SuSun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini KeMoon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya SaMars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra SaJuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM

Mula KeVen 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra SaSat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula KeRahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra MaTrue Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beatsDay: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AMTithi: Shukla AshtamiYoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve Dagha Rashis: Gem VirRashi Chart******************************************************* **

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December 23, 2006

Hello dear John and Jorge,

Thank you John for providing the additional information and Jorge for

casting the chart for the new time. Indeed, the available historical

information is important.

However, new documents surveying old information may reach the wrong

conclusion. It is for this reason that I prefer to let the

astrological analysis carry the day and am still exploring the

morning event - when the marker is also said by some sources to have

been ceremonially placed at 54 minutes after sunrise

(dawn) on April 21, 1782.

I would not discount the fact that this time enjoys credence in the

astrological community in Thailand - and this tradition should not be

ignored, as it likely is an authentic store of this information.

Moreover, I find it likely a new king would have preferred the Sun,

the planet representing him and his new dynasty, to rise in the Aries

ascendant, where it is exalted with also Jupiter supremely well

placed in its own sign and the divine H9, where it is closely

conjunct Saturn. Chart lord Mars is also well placed in H2. Compate

this with the Sun in H4 in the Capricorn rising chart where Jupiter

and L2 (and L1 in traditional astrology) Saturn fall into H12. There

is no question which chart I would have selected if given the choice,

and this time was selected by astrologers!

That said, I look forward to study further the rectification by Jorge

based on the information uncovered by John, which continues to

astound in his ability to find incredibly obscure historical

information.

I checked http://www.timeanddate.com to find the sunrise time in

Thailand on April 21. It is around 6 AM in modern times.

Date Sunrise Sunset

Apr 20, 1986 6:02 AM 6:32 PM

Apr 21, 1986 6:02 AM 6:32 PM

Apr 22, 1986 6:01 AM 6:32 PM

Apr 20, 2007 6:02 AM 6:32 PM

Apr 21, 2007 6:02 AM 6:32 PM

Apr 22, 2007 6:01 AM 6:32 PM

Importantly, this time has given a credible result also in terms of

analysing the national affairs, including explaining the long and

relatively peaceful reign of the monarchy.

We now have two charts to predict on, for the same day, which should

offer a fairly speedy process to resolve this question. It also makes

Thailand a more exciting country to follow for the list members. May

the best chart win!

Best wishes,

C

SAMVA , JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote:

>

> According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial

Celebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who jointly

authored the book,

> THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP

[1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves], after

King Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6,

1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a new

site for his kingdom's capital city [the future Bangkok], the center

of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace.

>

> On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam "

> (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after

> midnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner pillar was

erected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic

groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. The

date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.

>

> The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas

Campion's lacks. Hope this radix yields solid predictive value for

SAMVA.

>

> My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration of

this problematic question in Thai history and astrology.

>

> Cheers,

>

> JOHN [@Jakarta]

>

> P.S.

>

> THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN

THAILAND

>

> It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual

centre as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of

the spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public

life. Go to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great care

accorded to the preservation of the City Pillar, the " lak muang " . In

keeping with long tradition, all Thai cities have a pillar (lak

muang) driven into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center

point, and to provide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There

remains the strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and

spiritual energies flow through the city's pillar and out into the

community at large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of

worshippers. The Bangkok city pillar is still believed by many people

to have the power of granting wishes - especially those of childless

couples who make devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits

to answer their prayers. Of course, the city's

> pillar is there to be visited throughout the year. As a result of

the generosity of devotees, beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the

Pillar, making it a special place to take time out. Sometimes the

wealthier families fund small classical music and dance performances

to favour the spirits. The history of these structures indicates that

they are not Buddhist; they are rarely found in Buddist temple

compounds. They are actually thought to stem from Hindu cosmological

beliefs.

>

> Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:

>

> THAILAND

> Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT

> Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45

> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA

>

> Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

> ================================================

> Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya Su

> Sun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini Ke

> Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya Sa

> Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo

> Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra Sa

> JuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula Ke

> Ven 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa

> Sat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula Ke

> Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me

> Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra Ma

>

> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats

> Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM

> Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

> Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

> Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

>

> Rashi Chart

> *******************************************************

> ** 11 * * 9 **

> *12* * * * *

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> * * * * JUR08:07 * *

> * * * SAR10:18* *

> *VE 03:25 * * * * *

> *ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 *

> *RA 25:20 * * * * *

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> *2 * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> *MA 19:42 * 4 MO 08:14 * 6 KE 25:20*

> * * * * * *

> ** 3 * * 5 **

> *******************************************************

>

> Navamsha

> *******************************************************

> ** 12 * * 10 **

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> *******************************************************

>

December 23, 2006

Dear John,

Thanks again for another excellent historical

contribution to mundane astrology.

After your email of December 21, I did a

careful examination of both charts, looking to almost all the events gathered

before. The decision is 95% for the 12:15 AM chart, and 5% for the 6:30 AM chart. Then I

did the rectification work to find the exact TOB. It came out to be exactly 12:15:00 AM.

I know that it will take some time for our

dear list members to become familiar with the new Capricorn rising chart. To simplify

its study, I would suggest to open both charts and to go through each event in

both of them. It will become clear how the midnight chart is the

one to follow in future.

In the net, the reference to this new TOB also

comes in:

On

Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam "

(the

10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after

midnight, the City's pillar was erected. The date is translated to the

western

calendar as April 21, 1782.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/

Before that, I also did a second

rectification for the existing 6:54 AM chart, and the TOB for

this morning chart is exactly 6:30 AM. This also fits with the

information collected in some sites:

On April

21, 1782 at exactly 54 minutes

past sunrise, Rama I erected the city pillar, the Lak Muang, and only two weeks

after founding the ChaKri dynasty, established the new capital city of Bangkok.

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm

In 1782,

King Rama I was crowned as the first monarch of the Chakri dynasty. Having

moved his capital from Thonburi to Bangkok, he ordered the ceremony to raise the traditional City Pillar on Sunday,

April 21, 1782 at 6:45

am.

http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php

Regarding the sunrise time for that day,

it comes directly in the Jyotish Tools program:

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet

Time: 773 beats

Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup

Yogi: Ve

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

If we add 54 minutes to 5:46 AM, it makes 6:30 AM, which is a

double confirmation of the correctedness of this time.

Â

This makes me think that both times must

have been previously calculated by the king and ruled by any kind of royal written

actâ€¦ may be for different purposes.

Cheers,

Jorge

SAMVA

[sAMVA ] On Behalf Of JohnTWB

sÃ¡bado, 23 de Dezembro de

2006 08:36

SAMVA

Re: THAILAND

rectified chart

According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial Celebration to

Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who jointly authored the

book,

THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A

SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP [1982, the English title as given by the

authors themselves], after King Rama the First took the throne from

King Taksin, on April 6, 1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task

was to establish a new site for his kingdomâ€™s capital city [the future

Bangkok], the center of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace.

On Sunday of the sixth

month, khUn " sip'kam "

(the 10th day of the rising moon

period), at 15 minutes after

midnight, the Chakri Grand

Palace's northeast corner pillar was erected. This event constituted

the Thai equivalent of the Masonic groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of

the Royal Palace. The date is translated to the western calendar as April 21,

1782.

The source of this

information has the credibility that Nicholas Campion's lacks. Hope this radix

yields solid predictive value for SAMVA.

My best wishes to Jorge

and Cosmologer for their exploration of this problematic question in Thai

history and astrology.

Cheers,

JOHN [@Jakarta]

P.S.

THE CITY

PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN

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It used

to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual

centre as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of the

spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public life. Go to any

town or city in Thailand and witness the great care accorded to the

preservation of the City Pillar, the " lak

muang " . In keeping with long tradition, all Thai cities have a

pillar (lak muang) driven into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center

point, and to provide a doorway for their guardian spirits.Â There remains the

strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritual energies flow

through the city's pillar and out into the community at large; consequently it

regularly attracts crowds of worshippers. The Bangkok city pillar is still

believed by many people to have the power of granting wishes - especially those

of childless couples who make devotional trips to encourage the guardian

spirits to answer their prayers.Â Of course, the city's pillar is there to be

visited throughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees,

beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it a special place to

take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund small classical music and

dance performances to favour the spirits. The history of these structures

indicates that they are not Buddhist; they are rarely found in Buddist temple

compounds.Â They are actually thought to stem from Hindu cosmological beliefs.

Jorge Angelino

<jorge.angelino wrote:

THAILAND

Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT

Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA

Planet Deg Sign Speed

SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

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Su

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Ari +00:58:26 FM

Aswini Ke

Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST

Pushya Sa

Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST

Rohini Mo

Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK

U.Bhadra Sa

JuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM

Mula Ke

Ven 03:25

Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa

Sat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK

Mula Ke

Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM

Revati Me

Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM

Chitra Ma

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats

Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi:

Ve

Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

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December 23, 2006

Dear Cosmologer,I think both charts are correct. May be they have been for two important events of the beginning of the new country. For your study of the morning chart, I would suggest the new rectified one:

THAILANDApr 21, 1782 6:30 AM -06:42 LMTBangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/MO/VEPlanet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord================================================

Asc 22:17 Ari Bharani VeSun 10:08 Ari +00:58:25 ST Aswini KeMoon 11:34 Can +12:47:57 ST Pushya SaMars 19:52 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini MoMerc 13:57 Pis +01:17:38 FM U.Bhadra SaJuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:03 ST Mula KeVen 03:30 Pis +00:21:00 WK U.Bhadra SaSat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:04 ST Mula KeRahu 25:20 Pis +00:00:00 FM Revati Me

Ketu 25:20 Vir +00:00:00 FM Chitra MaTrue Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 33 beatsDay: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AMTithi: Shukla AshtamiYoga Pt: 25:02 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

Dagha Rashis: Gem VirRashi Chart******************************************************* ** 2 * * 12 ** *3 * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * VE 03:30 * * * MA 19:52* ME 13:57* * * * * SU 10:08 RA 25:20 *

* * 1 AS 22:17 * 11 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *4 MO 11:34 * 10 *

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* * * * * * * * * * * JUR08:07* * * 7 * 9 SAR10:18* * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * KE 25:20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

** 6 * * 8 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha******************************************************* ** 8 * * 6 **

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Best wishes,Jorge

December 23, 2006

Dear Jorge and list members,

A Thai person of considerable merit has informed me that the

historical practice in Thailand was to consider the start of the new

day at 6 AM, or sunrise. This practice was only recently changed to

harmonise with international practices of considering the start of

the new day at 12 midnight. In his considered opinion the chart would

certainly only refer to sunrise. The change in this practice likely

explains the existing confusion.

Best regards,

C

SAMVA , " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear John,

>

> Thanks again for another excellent historical contribution to

mundane astrology.

>

> After your email of December 21, I did a careful examination of

both charts, looking to almost all the events gathered before. The

decision is 95% for the 12:15 AM chart, and 5% for the 6:30 AM chart.

Then I did the rectification work to find the exact TOB. It came out

to be exactly 12:15:00 AM.

>

> I know that it will take some time for our dear list members to

become familiar with the new Capricorn rising chart. To simplify its

study, I would suggest to open both charts and to go through each

event in both of them. It will become clear how the midnight chart is

the one to follow in future.

>

> In the net, the reference to this new TOB also comes in:

>

> On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam "

>

> (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after

>

> midnight, the City's pillar was erected. The date is translated to

the

>

> western calendar as April 21, 1782.

>

HYPERLINK " http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/ " http://www.faqs.org/

faqs/thai/culture/

>

> Before that, I also did a second rectification for the existing

6:54 AM chart, and the TOB for this morning chart is exactly 6:30 AM.

This also fits with the information collected in some sites:

>

> On April 21, 1782 at exactly 54 minutes past sunrise, Rama I

erected the city pillar, the Lak Muang, and only two weeks after

founding the ChaKri dynasty, established the new capital city of

Bangkok.

>

HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm " http://w

ww.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm

>

HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm " htt

p://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm

>

> In 1782, King Rama I was crowned as the first monarch of the Chakri

dynasty. Having moved his capital from Thonburi to Bangkok, he

ordered the ceremony to raise the traditional City Pillar on Sunday,

April 21, 1782 at 6:45 am.

>

HYPERLINK " http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php " h

ttp://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php

>

> Regarding the sunrise time for that day, it comes directly in the

Jyotish Tools program:

>

> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats

> Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM

> Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

> Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

> Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

>

> If we add 54 minutes to 5:46 AM, it makes 6:30 AM, which is a

double confirmation of the correctedness of this time.

>

> This makes me think that both times must have been previously

calculated by the king and ruled by any kind of royal written actâ€¦

may be for different purposes.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Jorge

>

> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On

Behalf Of JohnTWB

> sÃ¡bado, 23 de Dezembro de 2006 08:36

> SAMVA

> Re: THAILAND rectified chart

>

> According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial

Celebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who jointly

authored the book,

> THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP

[1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves], after

King Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6,

1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a new

site for his kingdomâ€™s capital city [the future Bangkok], the

center of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace.

>

> On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam "

> (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after

> midnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner pillar was

erected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic

groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. The

date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.

>

> The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas

Campion's lacks. Hope this radix yields solid predictive value for

SAMVA.

>

> My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration of

this problematic question in Thai history and astrology.

>

> Cheers,

>

> JOHN [@Jakarta]

>

> P.S.

>

> THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN

THAILAND

>

> It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual centre

as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of the

spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public life. Go

to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great care accorded

to the preservation of the City Pillar, the " lak muang " . In keeping

with long tradition, all Thai cities have a pillar (lak muang) driven

into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center point, and to

provide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There remains the

strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritual

energies flow through the city's pillar and out into the community at

large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of worshippers. The

Bangkok city pillar is still believed by many people to have the

power of granting wishes - especially those of childless couples who

make devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits to answer

their prayers. Of course, the city's pillar is there to be visited

throughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees,

beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it a special

place to take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund small

classical music and dance performances to favour the spirits. The

history of these structures indicates that they are not Buddhist;

they are rarely found in Buddist temple compounds. They are actually

thought to stem from Hindu cosmological beliefs.

>

> Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:

>

> THAILAND

> Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT

> Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45

> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA

>

> Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

> ============-=========-=========-=========-=========

> Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya Su

> Sun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini Ke

> Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya Sa

> Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo

> Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra Sa

> JuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula Ke

> Ven 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa

> Sat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula Ke

> Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me

> Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra Ma

>

> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats

> Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM

> Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

> Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

> Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

>

> Rashi Chart

> ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

> ** 11 * * 9 **

> *12* * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * JUR08:07 * *

> * * * SAR10:18* *

> *VE 03:25 * * * * *

> *ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 *

> *RA 25:20 * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> ** * * **

> *1 SU 09:53 * 7 *

> ** * * **

> *2 * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> *MA 19:42 * 4 MO 08:14 * 6 KE 25:20*

> * * * * * *

> ** 3 * * 5 **

> ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

>

> Navamsha

> ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

> ** 12 * * 10 **

> *1 * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * AS * * *

> * * 11 RA * 9 *

> * * * * * *

> ** * * **

> *2 * 8 ME *

> ** * * **

> *3 * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> *SU * * VE * * *

> *MA * 5 KE * 7 *

> *JUR * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * SAR * * MO * *

> * * * * * *

> ** 4 * * 6 **

> ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

>

> --

>

> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:

22.12.2006 15:22

>

> --

>

> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:

22.12.2006 15:22

>

December 23, 2006

Dear Cosmologer,

In Vedic tradition, the day begins with sunrise. The tradition in Thailand in 1782 must have been the same. The JTW tells us that sunrise for that day was at 05:46 AM. Adding 54 minutes to it gives us the correct TOB of 06:30 AM.

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 12/23/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Jorge and list members,A Thai person of considerable merit has informed me that thehistorical practice in Thailand was to consider the start of the new

day at 6 AM, or sunrise. This practice was only recently changed toharmonise with international practices of considering the start ofthe new day at 12 midnight. In his considered opinion the chart wouldcertainly only refer to sunrise. The change in this practice likely

explains the existing confusion.Best regards,CSAMVA , " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>

> Dear John,>>>> Thanks again for another excellent historical contribution tomundane astrology.>>>> After your email of December 21, I did a careful examination of

both charts, looking to almost all the events gathered before. Thedecision is 95% for the 12:15 AM chart, and 5% for the 6:30 AM chart.Then I did the rectification work to find the exact TOB. It came outto be exactly 12:15:00 AM.

>>>> I know that it will take some time for our dear list members tobecome familiar with the new Capricorn rising chart. To simplify itsstudy, I would suggest to open both charts and to go through each

event in both of them. It will become clear how the midnight chart isthe one to follow in future.>>>> In the net, the reference to this new TOB also comes in:>>>

> On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " >> (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after>> midnight, the City's pillar was erected. The date is translated to

the>> western calendar as April 21, 1782.>>HYPERLINK " http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/ "

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/>>>> Before that, I also did a second rectification for the existing6:54 AM chart, and the TOB for this morning chart is exactly 6:30 AM.This also fits with the information collected in some sites:

>>>> On April 21, 1782 at exactly 54 minutes past sunrise, Rama Ierected the city pillar, the Lak Muang, and only two weeks afterfounding the ChaKri dynasty, established the new capital city of

Bangkok.>>HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm " http://w

ww.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm>>HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm

>>>> In 1782, King Rama I was crowned as the first monarch of the Chakridynasty. Having moved his capital from Thonburi to Bangkok, heordered the ceremony to raise the traditional City Pillar on Sunday,

April 21, 1782 at 6:45 am.>>HYPERLINK " http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php " http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php

>>>> Regarding the sunrise time for that day, it comes directly in theJyotish Tools program:>>>> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM

> Tithi: Shukla Ashtami> Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve> Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir>>>> If we add 54 minutes to 5:46 AM, it makes 6:30 AM, which is adouble confirmation of the correctedness of this time.

>>>> This makes me think that both times must have been previouslycalculated by the king and ruled by any kind of royal written actâ€¦may be for different purposes.>>>

> Cheers,>>>> Jorge>>>>>>>> > SAMVA

[sAMVA ] OnBehalf Of JohnTWB> sÃ¡bado, 23 de Dezembro de 2006 08:36> SAMVA

> Re: THAILAND rectified chart>>>> According to the Committee for Rattanakosin BicentennialCelebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who jointly

authored the book,> THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP[1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves], afterKing Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6,

1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a newsite for his kingdom's capital city [the future Bangkok], thecenter of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace.>>>

> On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after> midnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner pillar waserected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic

groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. Thedate is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.>>>> The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas

Campion's lacks. Hope this radix yields solid predictive value forSAMVA.>>>> My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration ofthis problematic question in Thai history and astrology.

>>>> Cheers,>>>> JOHN [@Jakarta]>>>> P.S.>>>> THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC INTHAILAND>

>>> It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual centreas a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of thespiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public life. Go

to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great care accordedto the preservation of the City Pillar, the " lak muang " . In keepingwith long tradition, all Thai cities have a pillar (lak muang) driven

into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center point, and toprovide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There remains thestrongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritualenergies flow through the city's pillar and out into the community at

large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of worshippers. TheBangkok city pillar is still believed by many people to have thepower of granting wishes - especially those of childless couples whomake devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits to answer

their prayers. Of course, the city's pillar is there to be visitedthroughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees,beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it a specialplace to take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund small

classical music and dance performances to favour the spirits. Thehistory of these structures indicates that they are not Buddhist;they are rarely found in Buddist temple compounds. They are actuallythought to stem from Hindu cosmological beliefs.

>>>>>> Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:>> THAILAND> Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT> Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45

> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA>> Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> ============-=========-=========-=========-=========> Asc 04:28 Cap

U.Shadya Su> Sun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini Ke> Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya Sa> Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo> Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra Sa> JuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula Ke> Ven 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa> Sat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula Ke> Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me

> Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra Ma>> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> Tithi: Shukla Ashtami> Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

> Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir>> Rashi Chart> ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> ** 11 * * 9 **> *12* * * * *

> * * * * * *> * * * * JUR08:07 * *> * * * SAR10:18* *> *VE 03:25 * * * * *

> *ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 *> *RA 25:20 * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> ** * * **> *1 SU 09:53 * 7 *

> ** * * **> *2 * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> *MA 19:42 * 4 MO 08:14 * 6 KE 25:20*> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * * * * *

> ** 3 * * 5 **> ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******>> Navamsha> ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

> ** 12 * * 10 **> *1 * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *> * * * AS * * *> * * 11 RA * 9 *> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * * * * *

> ** * * **> *2 * 8 ME *> ** * * **> *3 * * * * *

> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> *SU * * VE * * *

> *MA * 5 KE * 7 *> *JUR * * * * *> * * * * * *> * * SAR * * MO * *

> * * * * * *> * * * * * *> ** 4 * * 6 **> ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

>>>> > > >

>>> --> > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:22.12.2006 15:22>

December 23, 2006

Dear Jorge,

It is interesting, the information that is coming to light on this

event through our combined investigations. Thank you for establishing

the likely exact time for this event based on what we now known. 22°

Aries rising looks about right.

Best wishes,

C

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear Cosmologer,

>

> In Vedic tradition, the day begins with sunrise. The tradition in

Thailand

> in 1782 must have been the same. The JTW tells us that sunrise for

that day

> was at 05:46 AM. Adding 54 minutes to it gives us the correct TOB

of 06:30

> AM.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

> On 12/23/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jorge and list members,

> >

> > A Thai person of considerable merit has informed me that the

> > historical practice in Thailand was to consider the start of the

new

> > day at 6 AM, or sunrise. This practice was only recently changed

to

> > harmonise with international practices of considering the start of

> > the new day at 12 midnight. In his considered opinion the chart

would

> > certainly only refer to sunrise. The change in this practice

likely

> > explains the existing confusion.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > C

> >

> > SAMVA , " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear John,

> > >

> > > Thanks again for another excellent historical contribution to

> > mundane astrology.

> > >

> > > After your email of December 21, I did a careful examination of

> > both charts, looking to almost all the events gathered before. The

> > decision is 95% for the 12:15 AM chart, and 5% for the 6:30 AM

chart.

> > Then I did the rectification work to find the exact TOB. It came

out

> > to be exactly 12:15:00 AM.

> > >

> > > I know that it will take some time for our dear list members to

> > become familiar with the new Capricorn rising chart. To simplify

its

> > study, I would suggest to open both charts and to go through each

> > event in both of them. It will become clear how the midnight

chart is

> > the one to follow in future.

> > >

> > > In the net, the reference to this new TOB also comes in:

> > >

> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam "

> > >

> > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after

> > >

> > > midnight, the City's pillar was erected. The date is translated

to

> > the

> > >

> > > western calendar as April 21, 1782.

> > >

> >

HYPERLINK " http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/ " http://www.faqs.org/

> > faqs/thai/culture/

> > >

> > > Before that, I also did a second rectification for the existing

> > 6:54 AM chart, and the TOB for this morning chart is exactly 6:30

AM.

> > This also fits with the information collected in some sites:

> > >

> > > On April 21, 1782 at exactly 54 minutes past sunrise, Rama I

> > erected the city pillar, the Lak Muang, and only two weeks after

> > founding the ChaKri dynasty, established the new capital city of

> > Bangkok.

> > >

> >

HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm " http://w

> > ww.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm

> > >

> >

HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm " htt

> > p://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm

> > >

> > > In 1782, King Rama I was crowned as the first monarch of the

Chakri

> > dynasty. Having moved his capital from Thonburi to Bangkok, he

> > ordered the ceremony to raise the traditional City Pillar on

Sunday,

> > April 21, 1782 at 6:45 am.

> > >

> >

HYPERLINK " http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php " h

> > ttp://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php

> > >

> > > Regarding the sunrise time for that day, it comes directly in

the

> > Jyotish Tools program:

> > >

> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats

> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM

> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

> > >

> > > If we add 54 minutes to 5:46 AM, it makes 6:30 AM, which is a

> > double confirmation of the correctedness of this time.

> > >

> > > This makes me think that both times must have been previously

> > calculated by the king and ruled by any kind of royal written

actâ€¦

> > may be for different purposes.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > > Jorge

> > >

> > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On

> > Behalf Of JohnTWB

> > > sÃ¡bado, 23 de Dezembro de 2006 08:36

> > > SAMVA

> > > Re: THAILAND rectified chart

> > >

> > > According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial

> > Celebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who

jointly

> > authored the book,

> > > THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP

> > [1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves],

after

> > King Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6,

> > 1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a new

> > site for his kingdom's capital city [the future Bangkok], the

> > center of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace.

> > >

> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam "

> > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after

> > > midnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner pillar was

> > erected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic

> > groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. The

> > date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.

> > >

> > > The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas

> > Campion's lacks. Hope this radix yields solid predictive value for

> > SAMVA.

> > >

> > > My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration of

> > this problematic question in Thai history and astrology.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > > JOHN [@Jakarta]

> > >

> > > P.S.

> > >

> > > THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN

> > THAILAND

> >

> > >

> > > It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual

centre

> > as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of the

> > spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public

life. Go

> > to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great care

accorded

> > to the preservation of the City Pillar, the " lak muang " . In

keeping

> > with long tradition, all Thai cities have a pillar (lak muang)

driven

> > into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center point, and

to

> > provide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There remains the

> > strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritual

> > energies flow through the city's pillar and out into the

community at

> > large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of worshippers.

The

> > Bangkok city pillar is still believed by many people to have the

> > power of granting wishes - especially those of childless couples

who

> > make devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits to answer

> > their prayers. Of course, the city's pillar is there to be

visited

> > throughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees,

> > beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it a

special

> > place to take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund

small

> > classical music and dance performances to favour the spirits. The

> > history of these structures indicates that they are not Buddhist;

> > they are rarely found in Buddist temple compounds. They are

actually

> > thought to stem from Hindu cosmological beliefs.

> > >

> > > Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote:

> > >

> > > THAILAND

> > > Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT

> > > Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45

> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA

> > >

> > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

> > > ============-=========-=========-=========-=========

> > > Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya Su

> > > Sun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini Ke

> > > Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya Sa

> > > Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo

> > > Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra Sa

> > > JuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula Ke

> > > Ven 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa

> > > Sat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula Ke

> > > Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me

> > > Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra Ma

> > >

> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats

> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM

> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir

> > >

> > > Rashi Chart

> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

> > > ** 11 * * 9 **

> > > *12* * * * *

> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * JUR08:07 * *

> > > * * * SAR10:18* *

> > > *VE 03:25 * * * * *

> > > *ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 *

> > > *RA 25:20 * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *

> > > ** * * **

> > > *1 SU 09:53 * 7 *

> > > ** * * **

> > > *2 * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *

> > > *MA 19:42 * 4 MO 08:14 * 6 KE 25:20*

> > > * * * * * *

> > > ** 3 * * 5 **

> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

> > >

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December 23, 2006

Dear Cosmologer,

This is what I call team work...and support of Natural Law!

Thanks for all your support.

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 12/23/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Jorge,It is interesting, the information that is coming to light on thisevent through our combined investigations. Thank you for establishing

the likely exact time for this event based on what we now known. 22Â°Aries rising looks about right.Best wishes,CSAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <

jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear Cosmologer,>> In Vedic tradition, the day begins with sunrise. The tradition inThailand> in 1782 must have been the same. The JTW tells us that sunrise for

that day> was at 05:46 AM. Adding 54 minutes to it gives us the correct TOBof 06:30> AM.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 12/23/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >> > Dear Jorge and list members,> >> > A Thai person of considerable merit has informed me that the> > historical practice in Thailand was to consider the start of the

new> > day at 6 AM, or sunrise. This practice was only recently changedto> > harmonise with international practices of considering the start of> > the new day at 12 midnight. In his considered opinion the chart

would> > certainly only refer to sunrise. The change in this practicelikely> > explains the existing confusion.> >> > Best regards,> >> > C> >

> >> > SAMVA , " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear John,> > >

> > >> > >> > > Thanks again for another excellent historical contribution to> > mundane astrology.> > >> > >> > >> > > After your email of December 21, I did a careful examination of

> > both charts, looking to almost all the events gathered before. The> > decision is 95% for the 12:15 AM chart, and 5% for the 6:30 AMchart.> > Then I did the rectification work to find the exact TOB. It came

out> > to be exactly 12:15:00 AM.> > >> > >> > >> > > I know that it will take some time for our dear list members to> > become familiar with the new Capricorn rising chart. To simplify

its> > study, I would suggest to open both charts and to go through each> > event in both of them. It will become clear how the midnightchart is> > the one to follow in future.> > >

> > >> > >> > > In the net, the reference to this new TOB also comes in:> > >> > >> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam "

> > >> > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after> > >> > > midnight, the City's pillar was erected. The date is translatedto> > the

> > >> > > western calendar as April 21, 1782.> > >> > >> >HYPERLINK " http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/

" http://www.faqs.org/> > faqs/thai/culture/> > >> > >> > >> > > Before that, I also did a second rectification for the existing

> > 6:54 AM chart, and the TOB for this morning chart is exactly 6:30AM.> > This also fits with the information collected in some sites:> > >> > >> > >> > > On April 21, 1782 at exactly 54 minutes past sunrise, Rama I

> > erected the city pillar, the Lak Muang, and only two weeks after> > founding the ChaKri dynasty, established the new capital city of> > Bangkok.> > >> > >> >

HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm " http://w> >

ww.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm> > >> > >> >HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm

" htt> > p://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm> > >> > >> > >> > > In 1782, King Rama I was crowned as the first monarch of theChakri

> > dynasty. Having moved his capital from Thonburi to Bangkok, he> > ordered the ceremony to raise the traditional City Pillar onSunday,> > April 21, 1782 at 6:45 am.> > >

> > >> >HYPERLINK " http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php " h> > ttp://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php

> > >> > >> > >> > > Regarding the sunrise time for that day, it comes directly inthe> > Jyotish Tools program:> > >> > >> > >

> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir> > >> > >> > >> > > If we add 54 minutes to 5:46 AM, it makes 6:30 AM, which is a> > double confirmation of the correctedness of this time.

> > >> > >> > >> > > This makes me think that both times must have been previously> > calculated by the king and ruled by any kind of royal writtenactÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

> > may be for different purposes.> > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >> > >> > > Jorge> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > SAMVA

[sAMVA ] On> > Behalf Of JohnTWB> > > sÃƒÂ¡bado, 23 de Dezembro de 2006 08:36> > >

SAMVA > > > Re: THAILAND rectified chart> > >> > >> > >> > > According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial

> > Celebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial whojointly> > authored the book,> > > THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP> > [1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves],

after> > King Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6,> > 1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a new> > site for his kingdom's capital city [the future Bangkok], the

> > center of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace.> > >> > >> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " > > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after

> > > midnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner pillar was> > erected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic> > groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. The

> > date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.> > >> > >> > >> > > The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas> > Campion's lacks. Hope this radix yields solid predictive value for

> > SAMVA.> > >> > >> > >> > > My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration of> > this problematic question in Thai history and astrology.

> > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >> > >> > > JOHN [@Jakarta]> > >> > >> > >

> > > P.S.> > >> > >> > >> > > THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN> > THAILAND> >> >> > >> > >> > >

> > > It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritualcentre> > as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of the> > spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public

life. Go> > to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great careaccorded> > to the preservation of the City Pillar, the " lak muang " . Inkeeping> > with long tradition, all Thai cities have a pillar (lak muang)

driven> > into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center point, andto> > provide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There remains the> > strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritual

> > energies flow through the city's pillar and out into thecommunity at> > large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of worshippers.The> > Bangkok city pillar is still believed by many people to have the

> > power of granting wishes - especially those of childless coupleswho> > make devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits to answer> > their prayers. Of course, the city's pillar is there to be

visited> > throughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees,> > beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it aspecial> > place to take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund

small> > classical music and dance performances to favour the spirits. The> > history of these structures indicates that they are not Buddhist;> > they are rarely found in Buddist temple compounds. They are

actually> > thought to stem from Hindu cosmological beliefs.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote:

> > >> > > THAILAND> > > Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT> > > Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA

> > >> > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> > > ============-=========-=========-=========-=========> > > Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya Su

> > > Sun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini Ke> > > Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya Sa> > > Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo> > > Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra Sa> > > JuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula Ke> > > Ven 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa> > > Sat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula Ke> > > Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me

> > > Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra Ma> > >> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir> > >> > > Rashi Chart> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

> > > ** 11 * * 9 **> > > *12* * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * JUR08:07 * *> > > * * * SAR10:18* *> > > *VE 03:25 * * * * *

> > > *ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 *> > > *RA 25:20 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

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> > > *2 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > *MA 19:42 * 4 MO 08:14 * 6 KE 25:20*

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** 3 * * 5 **

> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > >> > > Navamsha> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > > ** 12 * * 10 **

> > > *1 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * AS * * *> > > * * 11 RA * 9 *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** * * **

> > > *2 * 8 ME *> > > ** * * **> > > *3 * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > *SU * * VE * * *> > > *MA * 5 KE * 7 *> > > *JUR * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * SAR * * MO * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > ** 4 * * 6 **> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******

> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > >> > > --> > > > > >

> > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:> > 22.12.2006 15:22> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > >

> > > > > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:> > 22.12.2006 15:22> > >> >> >> >

> >> >> >

January 2, 2007

Dear Cosmo & Jorge, Yes, TOB of 6:30 hrs for April 21, 1782 makes eminent good sense. Furthermore, the cumulating dialogue that brought you to this point of recognition was very instructive, as it has been constructive. NOW LET'S FINISH THE JOB: Please compare these two historic national events for location Bangkok: April 21, 1782 @ 06:30 against June 24, 1932 @ 05:25 [+0r- 5 minutes] In the 1932 event the State was radically transformed from a monarchic State to an oligarchic State. The oligarchy has been the driving force behind political events there ever since. [Crucially for political science, bearing in mind that structurally the oligarchic State is ulterior to its democratic government, where the State controls (even if at times as if pushing on a string) the

Government.] [For List members in search of the conceptual distinctions of The State vs. The Government, please refer to the classic work by the founder of academic political science in American higher education, John W. Burgess, THE FOUNDATIONS OF POLITICAL SCIENCE. Or to cite recent history in order to illustrate, let's take the case of INDIA: In August 1947 the national State was born; in January 1950, its constitutional Government was born [re: Republic Day]. Now back to Thailand: According to the arrangement outlined in para #2 the most recent three kings: RAMA VII (1932-1935); RAMA VIII (1935-1946) and RAMA IX (1946-today) have been only titular heads of State. The national locus of power in the State has been exercised from ""behind the throne"" since 1932. When you find the time, please provide the List with your considered opinions in

comparative analysis, 1782 vs. 1932. Cheers, John cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear Jorge,It is interesting, the information that is coming to light on this event through our combined investigations. Thank you for establishing the likely exact time for this event based on what we now known. 22° Aries rising looks about right.Best wishes,CSAMVA , "Jorge Angelino" <jorge.angelino wrote:>> Dear Cosmologer,> > In Vedic tradition, the day begins with sunrise. The tradition in Thailand> in 1782 must have been the same. The JTW tells us that sunrise for that day> was at 05:46 AM. Adding 54 minutes to it gives us the correct TOB of 06:30> AM.> > Best wishes,> > Jorge> > > On 12/23/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:> >> > Dear Jorge and list members,> >> > A Thai person of considerable merit has informed me that the> > historical practice in Thailand was to consider the start of the new> > day at 6 AM, or sunrise. This practice was only recently changed to> > harmonise with international practices of considering the start of>

> the new day at 12 midnight. In his considered opinion the chart would> > certainly only refer to sunrise. The change in this practice likely> > explains the existing confusion.> >> > Best regards,> >> > C> >> >> > SAMVA , "jorge angelino" <jorge.angelino@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear John,> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks again for another excellent historical contribution to> > mundane astrology.> > >> > >> > >> > > After your email of December 21, I did a careful examination of> > both charts, looking to almost all the events gathered before. The> > decision is 95% for the 12:15 AM chart, and 5% for the 6:30 AM chart.>

> Then I did the rectification work to find the exact TOB. It came out> > to be exactly 12:15:00 AM.> > >> > >> > >> > > I know that it will take some time for our dear list members to> > become familiar with the new Capricorn rising chart. To simplify its> > study, I would suggest to open both charts and to go through each> > event in both of them. It will become clear how the midnight chart is> > the one to follow in future.> > >> > >> > >> > > In the net, the reference to this new TOB also comes in:> > >> > >> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn"sip'kam"> > >> > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after> > >> > > midnight, the City's pillar was erected. The date is

translated to> > the> > >> > > western calendar as April 21, 1782.> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK "http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/"http://www.faqs.org/> > faqs/thai/culture/> > >> > >> > >> > > Before that, I also did a second rectification for the existing> > 6:54 AM chart, and the TOB for this morning chart is exactly 6:30 AM.> > This also fits with the information collected in some sites:> > >> > >> > >> > > On April 21, 1782 at exactly 54 minutes past sunrise, Rama I> > erected the city pillar, the Lak Muang, and only two weeks after> > founding the ChaKri dynasty, established the new capital city of> > Bangkok.> >

>> > >> > HYPERLINK "http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm"http://w> > ww.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK "http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm"htt> > p://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm> > >> > >> > >> > > In 1782, King Rama I was crowned as the first monarch of the Chakri> > dynasty. Having moved his capital from Thonburi to Bangkok, he> > ordered the ceremony to raise the traditional City Pillar on Sunday,> > April 21, 1782 at

6:45 am.> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK "http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php"h> > ttp://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php> > >> > >> > >> > > Regarding the sunrise time for that day, it comes directly in the> > Jyotish Tools program:> > >> > >> > >> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir> > >> > >> > >> > > If we add 54 minutes to 5:46

AM, it makes 6:30 AM, which is a> > double confirmation of the correctedness of this time.> > >> > >> > >> > > This makes me think that both times must have been previously> > calculated by the king and ruled by any kind of royal written actâ€¦> > may be for different purposes.> > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >> > >> > > Jorge> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On> > Behalf Of JohnTWB> > > sÃ¡bado, 23 de Dezembro de 2006 08:36> > >

SAMVA > > > Re: THAILAND rectified chart> > >> > >> > >> > > According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial> > Celebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who jointly> > authored the book,> > > THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP> > [1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves], after> > King Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6,> > 1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a new> > site for his kingdom's capital city [the future Bangkok], the> > center of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace.> > >> > >> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn"sip'kam"> >

> (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after> > > midnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner pillar was> > erected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic> > groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. The> > date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.> > >> > >> > >> > > The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas> > Campion's lacks. Hope this radix yields solid predictive value for> > SAMVA.> > >> > >> > >> > > My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration of> > this problematic question in Thai history and astrology.> > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >> > >> > > JOHN

[@Jakarta]> > >> > >> > >> > > P.S.> > >> > >> > >> > > THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN> > THAILAND> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual centre> > as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of the> > spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public life. Go> > to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great care accorded> > to the preservation of the City Pillar, the "lak muang". In keeping> > with long tradition, all Thai cities have a pillar (lak muang) driven> > into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center point, and to> > provide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There remains the> >

strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritual> > energies flow through the city's pillar and out into the community at> > large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of worshippers. The> > Bangkok city pillar is still believed by many people to have the> > power of granting wishes - especially those of childless couples who> > make devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits to answer> > their prayers. Of course, the city's pillar is there to be visited> > throughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees,> > beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it a special> > place to take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund small> > classical music and dance performances to favour the spirits. The> > history of these structures indicates that they are not Buddhist;> > they

are rarely found in Buddist temple compounds. They are actually> > thought to stem from Hindu cosmological beliefs.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote:> > >> > > THAILAND> > > Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT> > > Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA> > >> > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> > > ============-=========-=========-=========-=========> > > Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya Su> > > Sun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini Ke> > > Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya Sa> > > Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo> > > Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra Sa> > > JuptR

08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula Ke> > > Ven 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa> > > Sat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula Ke> > > Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me> > > Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra Ma> > >> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir> > >> > > Rashi Chart> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > > ** 11 * * 9 **> > > *12* * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * JUR08:07 * *> > > * * * SAR10:18* *> > > *VE 03:25 * * * * *> > > *ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 *> > > *RA 25:20 * * * *

*> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** * * **> > > *1 SU 09:53 * 7 *> > > ** * * **> > > *2 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > *MA 19:42 * 4 MO 08:14 * 6 KE 25:20*> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** 3 * * 5 **> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > >> > > Navamsha> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > > ** 12 * * 10 **> > > *1 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * *

*> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * AS * * *> > > * * 11 RA * 9 *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** * * **> > > *2 * 8 ME *> > > ** * * **> > > *3 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > *SU * * VE * * *> > > *MA * 5 KE * 7 *> > > *JUR * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * SAR * * MO * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** 4 * * 6 **> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > >> > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > --> > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:> > 22.12.2006 15:22> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:> > 22.12.2006 15:22> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >

January 2, 2007

Dear John,

Thanks for the added information.

I will look at it carefully as soon as I arrive home.

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 1/2/07, JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote:

Dear Cosmo & Jorge,

Yes, TOB of 6:30 hrs for April 21, 1782 makes eminent good sense.

Furthermore, the cumulating dialogue that brought you to this point of recognition was very instructive, as it has been constructive.

NOW LET'S FINISH THE JOB:

Please compare these two historic national events for location Bangkok: April 21, 1782 @ 06:30 against June 24, 1932 @ 05:25 [+0r- 5 minutes]

In the 1932 event the State was radically transformed from a monarchic State to an oligarchic State. The oligarchy has been the driving force behind political events there ever since. [Crucially for political science, bearing in mind that structurally the oligarchic State is ulterior to its democratic government, where the State controls (even if at times as if pushing on a string) the Government.]

[For List members in search of the conceptual distinctions of The State vs. The Government, please refer to the classic work by the founder of academic political science in American higher education, John W. Burgess, THE FOUNDATIONS OF POLITICAL SCIENCE. Or to cite recent history in order to illustrate, let's take the case of INDIA: In August 1947 the national State was born; in January 1950, its constitutional Government was born [re: Republic Day].

Now back to Thailand: According to the arrangement outlined in para #2 the most recent three kings: RAMA VII (1932-1935); RAMA VIII (1935-1946) and RAMA IX (1946-today) have been only titular heads of State. The national locus of power in the State has been exercised from " " behind the throne " " since 1932.

When you find the time, please provide the List with your considered opinions in comparative analysis, 1782 vs. 1932.

Cheers,

John cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Jorge,It is interesting, the information that is coming to light on this event through our combined investigations. Thank you for establishing the likely exact time for this event based on what we now known. 22Â° Aries rising looks about right.Best wishes,CSAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <

jorge.angelino wrote:>> Dear Cosmologer,> > In Vedic tradition, the day begins with sunrise. The tradition in Thailand> in 1782 must have been the same. The JTW tells us that sunrise for that day> was at 05:46 AM. Adding 54 minutes to it gives us the correct TOB of 06:30> AM.> > Best wishes,> > Jorge> > > On 12/23/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >> > Dear Jorge and list members,> >> > A Thai person of considerable merit has informed me that the> > historical practice in Thailand was to consider the start of the new> > day at 6 AM, or sunrise. This practice was only recently changed to> > harmonise with international practices of considering the start of> > the new day at 12 midnight. In his considered opinion the chart would> > certainly only refer to sunrise. The change in this practice likely> > explains the existing confusion.> >> > Best regards,> >> > C> >

> >> > SAMVA , " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino@>

> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear John,> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks again for another excellent historical contribution to> > mundane astrology.

> > >> > >> > >> > > After your email of December 21, I did a careful examination of> > both charts, looking to almost all the events gathered before. The> > decision is 95% for the 12:15 AM chart, and 5% for the 6:30 AM chart.> > Then I did the rectification work to find the exact TOB. It came out> > to be exactly 12:15:00 AM.> > >> > >> > >> > > I know that it will take some time for our dear list members to

> > become familiar with the new Capricorn rising chart. To simplify its> > study, I would suggest to open both charts and to go through each> > event in both of them. It will become clear how the midnight chart is> > the one to follow in future.> > >> > >> > >> > > In the net, the reference to this new TOB also comes in:> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " > > >> > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after> > >> > > midnight, the City's pillar was erected. The date is translated to> > the> > >> > > western calendar as April 21, 1782.> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK "

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/ " http://www.faqs.org/> > faqs/thai/culture/> > >

> > >> > >> > > Before that, I also did a second rectification for the existing> > 6:54 AM chart, and the TOB for this morning chart is exactly 6:30 AM.> > This also fits with the information collected in some sites:

> > >> > >> > >> > > On April 21, 1782 at exactly 54 minutes past sunrise, Rama I> > erected the city pillar, the Lak Muang, and only two weeks after> > founding the ChaKri dynasty, established the new capital city of

> > Bangkok.> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK "

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm " http://w> >

ww.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK "

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm " htt> > p://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm> > >> > >> > >> > > In 1782, King Rama I was crowned as the first monarch of the Chakri> > dynasty. Having moved his capital from Thonburi to Bangkok, he> > ordered the ceremony to raise the traditional City Pillar on Sunday,> > April 21, 1782 at 6:45 am.> > >

> > >> > HYPERLINK " http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php

" h> > ttp://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php> > >> > >> > >> > > Regarding the sunrise time for that day, it comes directly in the> > Jyotish Tools program:> > >> > >> > >> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami

> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir> > >> > >> > >> > > If we add 54 minutes to 5:46 AM, it makes 6:30 AM, which is a

> > double confirmation of the correctedness of this time.> > >> > >> > >> > > This makes me think that both times must have been previously> > calculated by the king and ruled by any kind of royal written actÃ¢â‚¬Â¦> > may be for different purposes.> > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >> > >> > > Jorge> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

SAMVA [sAMVA ] On> > Behalf Of JohnTWB> > > sÃƒÂ¡bado, 23 de Dezembro de 2006 08:36

> > > SAMVA > > > Re: THAILAND rectified chart

> > >> > >> > >> > > According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial> > Celebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who jointly> > authored the book,

> > > THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP> > [1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves], after> > King Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6,

> > 1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a new> > site for his kingdom's capital city [the future Bangkok], the> > center of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace.

> > >> > >> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " > > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after> > > midnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner pillar was

> > erected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic> > groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. The> > date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.

> > >> > >> > >> > > The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas> > Campion's lacks. Hope this radix yields solid predictive value for

> > SAMVA.> > >> > >> > >> > > My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration of> > this problematic question in Thai history and astrology.

> > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >> > >> > > JOHN [@Jakarta]> > >> > >> > >

> > > P.S.> > >> > >> > >> > > THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN> > THAILAND> >> >> > >> > >> > >

> > > It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual centre> > as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of the> > spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public life. Go> > to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great care accorded> > to the preservation of the City Pillar, the " lak muang " . In keeping> > with long tradition, all Thai cities have a pillar (lak muang) driven> > into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center point, and to> > provide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There remains the> > strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritual

> > energies flow through the city's pillar and out into the community at> > large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of worshippers. The> > Bangkok city pillar is still believed by many people to have the

> > power of granting wishes - especially those of childless couples who> > make devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits to answer> > their prayers. Of course, the city's pillar is there to be visited> > throughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees,> > beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it a special> > place to take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund small> > classical music and dance performances to favour the spirits. The> > history of these structures indicates that they are not Buddhist;> > they are rarely found in Buddist temple compounds. They are actually> > thought to stem from Hindu cosmological beliefs.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote:

> > >> > > THAILAND> > > Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT> > > Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA

> > >> > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> > > ============-=========-=========-=========-=========> > > Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya Su> > > Sun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini Ke

> > > Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya Sa> > > Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo> > > Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra Sa> > > JuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula Ke

> > > Ven 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa> > > Sat R 10:18 Sag -00:01:02 WK Mula Ke> > > Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me> > > Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra Ma

> > >> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve

> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir> > >> > > Rashi Chart> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > > ** 11 * * 9 **> > > *12* * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * JUR08:07 * *> > > * * * SAR10:18* *> > > *VE 03:25 * * * * *> > > *ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 *> > > *RA 25:20 * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** * * **> > > *1 SU 09:53 * 7 *> > > ** * * **> > > *2 * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > *MA 19:42 * 4 MO 08:14 * 6 KE 25:20*> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** 3 * * 5 **> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > >

> > > Navamsha> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > > ** 12 * * 10 **> > > *1 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * AS * * *> > > * * 11 RA * 9 *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > * * * * * *> > > ** * * **> > > *2 * 8 ME *> > > ** * * **> > > *3 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > *SU * * VE * * *> > > *MA * 5 KE * 7 *> > > *JUR * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * SAR * * MO * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *

> > > ** 4 * * 6 **> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > >> > > --> > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.432

/ Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:> > 22.12.2006 15:22> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > > > >

> > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:> > 22.12.2006 15:22> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >

January 2, 2007

Thanks again, Jorge A STATEMENT IN CLARIFICATION The COUP of June 24, 1932 was one-of-a-kind-unique in modern Thailand history, The COUP was truly a quote COUP D'ETAT unquote, as it overturned the monarchical State that reigned from April 1782 until June 1932. All of the numerous more recent ones, 20(?) or 30(?) of them (I can't recall the exact number), all these have been precisely quote COUP D'GOUVERNEMENT unquote. Conceptualizing the difference between STATE and GOVERNMENT is crucial to grasping the historic significance of the event of June 24, 1932. Cheers, JOHN Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: Dear John, Thanks for the added information. I will look at it carefully as soon as I arrive home. Best wishes, Jorge On 1/2/07, JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 > wrote: Dear Cosmo & Jorge, Yes, TOB of

6:30 hrs for April 21, 1782 makes eminent good sense. Furthermore, the cumulating dialogue that brought you to this point of recognition was very instructive, as it has been constructive. NOW LET'S FINISH THE JOB: Please compare these two historic national events for location Bangkok: April 21, 1782 @ 06:30 against June 24, 1932 @ 05:25 [+0r- 5 minutes] In the 1932 event the State was radically transformed from a monarchic State to an oligarchic State. The oligarchy has been the driving force behind political events there ever since. [Crucially for political science, bearing in mind that structurally the oligarchic State is ulterior to its democratic government, where the State controls (even if at times as if pushing on a string) the Government.] [For List members in search of the

conceptual distinctions of The State vs. The Government, please refer to the classic work by the founder of academic political science in American higher education, John W. Burgess, THE FOUNDATIONS OF POLITICAL SCIENCE. Or to cite recent history in order to illustrate, let's take the case of INDIA: In August 1947 the national State was born; in January 1950, its constitutional Government was born [re: Republic Day]. Now back to Thailand: According to the arrangement outlined in para #2 the most recent three kings: RAMA VII (1932-1935); RAMA VIII (1935-1946) and RAMA IX (1946-today) have been only titular heads of State. The national locus of power in the State has been exercised from ""behind the throne"" since 1932. When you find the time, please provide the List with your considered opinions in comparative analysis, 1782 vs. 1932. Cheers, John cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Dear Jorge,It is interesting, the information that is coming to light on this event through our combined investigations. Thank you for establishing the likely exact time for this event based on what we now known. 22Â° Aries rising looks about right.Best wishes,CSAMVA , "Jorge Angelino" < jorge.angelino wrote:>> Dear Cosmologer,> > In Vedic tradition, the day begins with sunrise. The tradition in Thailand> in 1782 must have been the same. The JTW tells us that sunrise for that

day> was at 05:46 AM. Adding 54 minutes to it gives us the correct TOB of 06:30> AM.> > Best wishes,> > Jorge> > > On 12/23/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > >> > Dear Jorge and list members,> >> > A Thai person of considerable merit has informed me that the> > historical practice in Thailand was to consider the start of the new> > day at 6 AM, or sunrise. This practice was only recently changed to> > harmonise with international practices of considering the start of> > the new day at 12 midnight. In his considered opinion the chart would> > certainly only refer to sunrise. The change in this practice likely> > explains the existing confusion.> >> > Best regards,> >> > C> > > >> > SAMVA , "jorge angelino" <jorge.angelino@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear John,> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks again for another excellent historical contribution to> > mundane astrology. > > >> > >> > >> > > After your email of December 21, I did a careful examination of> > both charts, looking to almost all the events gathered before. The> > decision is 95% for the 12:15 AM chart, and 5% for the 6:30 AM chart.> > Then I did the rectification work to find the exact TOB. It came out> > to be exactly 12:15:00 AM.> > >> > >> > >> > > I know that it will take some time for our dear list members to > > become familiar with the new Capricorn rising

chart. To simplify its> > study, I would suggest to open both charts and to go through each> > event in both of them. It will become clear how the midnight chart is> > the one to follow in future.> > >> > >> > >> > > In the net, the reference to this new TOB also comes in:> > >> > >> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn"sip'kam"> > >> > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after> > >> > > midnight, the City's pillar was erected. The date is translated to> > the> > >> > > western calendar as April 21, 1782.> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK " http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/"http://www.faqs.org/> > faqs/thai/culture/> > > > > >> > >> > > Before that, I also did a second rectification for the existing> > 6:54 AM chart, and the TOB for this morning chart is exactly 6:30 AM.> > This also fits with the information collected in some sites: > > >> > >> > >> > > On April 21, 1782 at exactly 54 minutes past sunrise, Rama I> > erected the city pillar, the Lak Muang, and only two weeks after> > founding the ChaKri dynasty, established the new capital city of > > Bangkok.> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm"http://w> > ww.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk.htm> > >> > >> > HYPERLINK " http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm"htt> > p://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7153/bangk_main.htm> > >> > >> > >> > > In 1782, King Rama I was crowned as the first monarch of the Chakri> > dynasty. Having moved his capital from Thonburi to Bangkok, he> > ordered the ceremony to raise the traditional City Pillar on Sunday,> > April 21, 1782 at 6:45 am.> > > > > >> > HYPERLINK "http://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php "h> > ttp://www.bangkoktourist.com/places_lak_muang_shrine.php> > >> > >> > >> > > Regarding the sunrise time for that day, it comes directly in the> > Jyotish Tools program:> > >> > >> > >> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami > > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve> > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir> > >> > >> > >> > > If we add 54 minutes to 5:46 AM, it makes 6:30 AM, which is a > > double confirmation of the correctedness of this time.> > >> > >> > >> > > This makes me

think that both times must have been previously> > calculated by the king and ruled by any kind of royal written actÃ¢â‚¬Â¦> > may be for different purposes.> > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >> > >> > > Jorge> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On> > Behalf Of JohnTWB> > > sÃƒÂ¡bado, 23 de Dezembro de 2006 08:36 > > > SAMVA > > > Re: THAILAND rectified chart

> > >> > >> > >> > > According to the Committee for Rattanakosin Bicentennial> > Celebration to Commemorate the Rattanakosin Bicentennial who jointly> > authored the book, > > > THE CHAKRI MONARCHS AND THE THAI PEOPLE: A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP> > [1982, the English title as given by the authors themselves], after> > King Rama the First took the throne from King Taksin, on April 6, > > 1782, Rama I's first dynastic building task was to establish a new> > site for his kingdom's capital city [the future Bangkok], the> > center of which city was to be his Chakri Grand Palace. > > >> > >> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn"sip'kam"> > > (the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after> > > midnight, the Chakri Grand Palace's northeast corner

pillar was > > erected. This event constituted the Thai equivalent of the Masonic> > groundbreaking ceremony for the erection of the Royal Palace. The> > date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782. > > >> > >> > >> > > The source of this information has the credibility that Nicholas> > Campion's lacks. Hope this radix yields solid predictive value for > > SAMVA.> > >> > >> > >> > > My best wishes to Jorge and Cosmologer for their exploration of> > this problematic question in Thai history and astrology. > > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >> > >> > > JOHN [@Jakarta]> > >> > >> > > > > > P.S.> > >> > >> >

>> > > THE CITY PILLAR AND THE ZODIAC IN> > THAILAND> >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > It used to be that a Thai city was just as much a spiritual centre> > as a material one. In contemporary Thailand the importance of the> > spiritual realm is still very much alive in Bangkok's public life. Go> > to any town or city in Thailand and witness the great care accorded> > to the preservation of the City Pillar, the "lak muang". In keeping> > with long tradition, all Thai cities have a pillar (lak muang) driven> > into the ground to mark the community's cosmic center point, and to> > provide a doorway for their guardian spirits. There remains the> > strongly held belief that all heavenly influences and spiritual > > energies flow through the city's pillar and out into the

community at> > large; consequently it regularly attracts crowds of worshippers. The> > Bangkok city pillar is still believed by many people to have the > > power of granting wishes - especially those of childless couples who> > make devotional trips to encourage the guardian spirits to answer> > their prayers. Of course, the city's pillar is there to be visited> > throughout the year. As a result of the generosity of devotees,> > beautiful flowers adorn the foot of the Pillar, making it a special> > place to take time out. Sometimes the wealthier families fund small> > classical music and dance performances to favour the spirits. The> > history of these structures indicates that they are not Buddhist;> > they are rarely found in Buddist temple compounds. They are actually> > thought to stem from Hindu cosmological

beliefs.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote: > > >> > > THAILAND> > > Apr 21, 1782 12:15 AM -06:42 LMT> > > Bangkok, Thailand Longitude: 100E31 Latitude: 13N45> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:49 Current Period: JU/KE/SA > > >> > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> > > ============-=========-=========-=========-=========> > > Asc 04:28 Cap U.Shadya Su> > > Sun 09:53 Ari +00:58:26 FM Aswini Ke > > > Moon 08:14 Can +12:42:32 ST Pushya Sa> > > Mars 19:42 Tau +00:39:29 ST Rohini Mo> > > Merc 13:37 Pis +01:17:04 WK U.Bhadra Sa> > > JuptR 08:07 Sag -00:01:00 FM Mula Ke > > > Ven 03:25 Pis +00:20:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa> > > Sat R 10:18 Sag

-00:01:02 WK Mula Ke> > > Rahu 25:20 Pis -00:00:09 FM Revati Me> > > Ketu 25:20 Vir -00:00:09 FM Chitra Ma > > >> > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 773 beats> > > Day: Sunday Sunrise: 5:46 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Ashtami> > > Yoga Pt: 21:27 Li Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Ve > > > Dagha Rashis: Gem Vir> > >> > > Rashi Chart> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > > ** 11 * * 9 **> > > *12* * * * * > > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * JUR08:07 * *> > > * * * SAR10:18* *> > > *VE 03:25 * * * * *> > > *ME 13:37 * 10 AS 04:28 * 8 *> > > *RA 25:20 * * * * * > > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * *

* *> > > ** * * **> > > *1 SU 09:53 * 7 *> > > ** * * **> > > *2 * * * * * > > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > *MA 19:42 * 4 MO 08:14 * 6 KE 25:20*> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** 3 * * 5 **> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > >> > > Navamsha> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > > ** 12 * * 10 **> > > *1 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * *> > > * * * AS * * *> > > * * 11 RA * 9 *> >

> * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > ** * * **> > > *2 * 8 ME *> > > ** * * **> > > *3 * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * * > > > *SU * * VE * * *> > > *MA * 5 KE * 7 *> > > *JUR * * * * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * SAR * * MO * *> > > * * * * * *> > > * * * * * * > > > ** 4 * * 6 **> > > ************-*********-*********-*********-*********-*******> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > >> > > --> > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:> > 22.12.2006 15:22> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date:> > 22.12.2006 15:22> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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