Thailand - a strain for the financial market next spring

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge and list members, The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai chart when the nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting all the odd numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6 MEPs aspecting all the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in a steady level of problems in society - although other supremely good placements off-set this to a certain extent. Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On www.YourNetAstrologer.com it says: "RAHU is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet and a legendary deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic jobs, jobs requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and drugs. It signifies cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts, etc. It is phlegmatic in

nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting, causes malignant growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin, ulcers, spleen, worms, high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant appearance due to habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean body and nails." In the Thai chart, RAHU is on H12 MEP which for a person says "causes health problems, losses through cheating, tendency for excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and problem to parents." At a national level, this could introduce a negative side to the culture, such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness in social interaction. For KETU, "It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction causes wounds, inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations, low blood pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated

body with prominent veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person more towards mystic science and spiritual pursuits." KETU on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial instability, health crisis and conflict. In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22° Aquarius and Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly the H11 MEP and H5 MEP and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the significations of these houses would be strained, such as a crisis for earners or speculators. Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in H4 under exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be in H6. L9 Juputer in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12, with also H9 exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the luck will be strained at this time. Specifically, on 1

April 2007, transit L6 Mercury and transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP aspecting also H5, with L5 Sun in H12. Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early April, a serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial market possibly set off by a setback in income streams. Best wishes, C

[Guest guest]

Dear Cosmologer,

 

this is a good initiative of yours. However, and in my view, it will not happen that way. After going through both charts I have seen the 12:15 AM chart much more consistent explaining the past events. The problems created by the nodes over the MEPs will come up between December 2007 and April 2008, especially after February 15, 2008.

 

 

Regarding the problems of December 18 and 19, as Thailand is currently in Ju/Ke/Sa, and both Jupiter and Saturn, L2 (gains), are retrograde in rashi, they were affected by the transit of Jupiter, L12 (losses) in H11 (gains). The influence of transit Jupiter, L12, was felt over natal Mercury, L9, and Moon, L7, and over transit Moon and transit Mars, L4 (assets, collective mind also) . Transit Ketu is badly placed and almost at the same longitude of the natal nodes. Transit Saturn, L2, is in extreme infancy, retrograde and also badly placed in transit, so very weak. At the same time, the house of their natal placement was afflicted by the transit of the MMP, the Sun, over MEP12.

 

 

Going through the past events with both charts, the 12:15 AM and the 06:30 AM, is a very good learning exercise. If any of the list members have some spare time and is interested in learning, I would encourage him/her to do it.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 12/26/06, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

 

 

Dear Jorge and list members,

 

The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai chart when the nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting all the odd numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6 MEPs aspecting all the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in a steady level of problems in society - although other supremely good placements off-set this to a certain extent.

 

 

Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On www.YourNetAstrologer.com it says:

 

" RAHU is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet and a legendary deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic jobs, jobs requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and drugs. It signifies cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts, etc. It is phlegmatic in nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting, causes malignant growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin, ulcers, spleen, worms, high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant appearance due to habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean body and nails. "

 

 

In the Thai chart, RAHU is on H12 MEP which for a person says " causes health problems, losses through cheating, tendency for excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and problem to parents. " At a national level, this could introduce a negative side to the culture, such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness in social interaction.

 

 

For KETU, " It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction causes wounds, inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations, low blood pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated body with prominent veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person more towards mystic science and spiritual pursuits. "

 

KETU on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial instability, health crisis and conflict.

 

In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22° Aquarius and Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly the H11 MEP and H5 MEP and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the significations of these houses would be strained, such as a crisis for earners or speculators.

 

 

Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in H4 under exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be in H6. L9 Juputer in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12, with also H9 exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the luck will be strained at this time. Specifically, on 1 April 2007, transit L6 Mercury and transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP aspecting also H5, with L5 Sun in H12.

 

Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early April, a serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial market possibly set off by a setback in income streams.

 

Best wishes,

 

C

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

I am surprised to hear you are adhering to the midnight time. As the

new information I shared with you reveals this time is very likely

based on a misunderstanding. More importantly, the historical events

in Thailand, including the recent coup d'etat, are easily explained

by the Aries rising chart.

 

In any event, it is an empirical matter to decide this question with

predictions for each of the two charts. It should soon become

apparent which one is correct. If the Aries rising chart is correct

there will be a clearly evident strain in the financial market in

early 2007. The nodal influences should become apparent already in

early 2007 with the peak of the difficulty to occur around late

March/early April as noted in the earlier message.

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

 

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear Cosmologer,

>

> this is a good initiative of yours. However, and in my view, it

will not

> happen that way. After going through both charts I have seen the

12:15 AM

> chart much more consistent explaining the past events. The problems

created

> by the nodes over the MEPs will come up between December 2007 and

April

> 2008, especially after February 15, 2008.

>

> Regarding the problems of December 18 and 19, as Thailand is

currently in *

> Ju/Ke/Sa*, and both Jupiter and Saturn, L2 (gains), are retrograde

in rashi,

> they were affected by the transit of Jupiter, L12 (losses) in H11

(gains).

> The influence of transit Jupiter, L12, was felt over natal Mercury,

L9, and

> Moon, L7, and over transit Moon and transit Mars, L4 (assets,

collective

> mind also) . Transit Ketu is badly placed and almost at the same

longitude

> of the natal nodes. Transit Saturn, L2, is in extreme infancy,

retrograde

> and also badly placed in transit, so very weak. At the same time,

the house

> of their natal placement was afflicted by the transit of the MMP,

the Sun,

> over MEP12.

>

> Going through the past events with both charts, the 12:15 AM and

the 06:30

> AM, is a very good learning exercise. If any of the list members

have some

> spare time and is interested in learning, I would encourage him/her

to do

> it.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

>

> On 12/26/06, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jorge and list members,

> >

> > The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai chart

when the

> > nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting all the

odd

> > numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6 MEPs

aspecting all

> > the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in a steady

level of

> > problems in society - although other supremely good placements

off-set this

> > to a certain extent.

> >

> > Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On

> > www.YourNetAstrologer.com <http://www.yournetastrologer.com/> it

says:

> > **

> > * " RAHU* is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet and a

legendary

> > deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic jobs,

jobs

> > requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and drugs.

It signifies

> > cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts, etc. It is

phlegmatic

> > in nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting, causes

malignant

> > growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin, ulcers,

spleen, worms,

> > high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant

appearance due to

> > habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean body

and nails. "

> >

> > In the Thai chart, *RAHU *is on H12 MEP which for a person

Professor

> > Choudhry says " causes health problems, losses through cheating,

tendency for

> > excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and problem to

parents. "

> > At a national level, this could introduce a negative side to the

culture,

> > such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness in social

interaction.

> >

> > *For KETU, " *It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction causes

wounds,

> > inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations, low

blood

> > pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated body

with prominent

> > veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person more

towards

> > mystic science and spiritual pursuits. "

> >

> > *KETU *on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial

instability,

> > health crisis and conflict.

> >

> > In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22°

Aquarius and

> > Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly the H11 MEP

and H5 MEP

> > and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the

significations of

> > these houses would be strained, such as a crisis for earners or

speculators.

> >

> > Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in H4 under

exact

> > aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be in H6.

L9 Juputer

> > in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12,

with also H9

> > exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the luck

will be

> > strained at this time. Specifically, on 1 April 2007, transit L6

Mercury and

> > transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP aspecting

also H5, with

> > L5 Sun in H12.

> >

> > Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early April, a

> > serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial market

possibly

> > set off by a setback in income streams.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cosmologer,

 

may be you have missed my message #12007, where I shared also this information:

 

On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip

'kam " the 10th day of the rising moon period), at 15 minutes after midnight, the City

'

s pillar was erected. The date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.

 

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Jorge,I am surprised to hear you are adhering to the midnight time. As thenew information I shared with you reveals this time is very likely

based on a misunderstanding. More importantly, the historical eventsin Thailand, including the recent coup d'etat, are easily explainedby the Aries rising chart.In any event, it is an empirical matter to decide this question with

predictions for each of the two charts. It should soon becomeapparent which one is correct. If the Aries rising chart is correctthere will be a clearly evident strain in the financial market inearly 2007. The nodal influences should become apparent already in

early 2007 with the peak of the difficulty to occur around lateMarch/early April as noted in the earlier message.Best regards,CSAMVA

, " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear Cosmologer,>> this is a good initiative of yours. However, and in my view, itwill not> happen that way. After going through both charts I have seen the

12:15 AM> chart much more consistent explaining the past events. The problemscreated> by the nodes over the MEPs will come up between December 2007 andApril> 2008, especially after February 15, 2008.

>> Regarding the problems of December 18 and 19, as Thailand iscurrently in *> Ju/Ke/Sa*, and both Jupiter and Saturn, L2 (gains), are retrogradein rashi,> they were affected by the transit of Jupiter, L12 (losses) in H11

(gains).> The influence of transit Jupiter, L12, was felt over natal Mercury,L9, and> Moon, L7, and over transit Moon and transit Mars, L4 (assets,collective> mind also) . Transit Ketu is badly placed and almost at the same

longitude> of the natal nodes. Transit Saturn, L2, is in extreme infancy,retrograde> and also badly placed in transit, so very weak. At the same time,the house> of their natal placement was afflicted by the transit of the MMP,

the Sun,> over MEP12.>> Going through the past events with both charts, the 12:15 AM andthe 06:30> AM, is a very good learning exercise. If any of the list membershave some> spare time and is interested in learning, I would encourage him/her

to do> it.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 12/26/06, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:> >> > Dear Jorge and list members,> >

> > The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai chartwhen the> > nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting all theodd> > numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6 MEPs

aspecting all> > the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in a steadylevel of> > problems in society - although other supremely good placementsoff-set this> > to a certain extent.

> >> > Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On> > www.YourNetAstrologer.com <http://www.yournetastrologer.com/

> itsays:> > **> > * " RAHU* is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet and alegendary> > deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic jobs,jobs> > requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and drugs.

It signifies> > cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts, etc. It isphlegmatic> > in nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting, causesmalignant> > growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin, ulcers,

spleen, worms,> > high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasantappearance due to> > habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean bodyand nails. " > >

> > In the Thai chart, *RAHU *is on H12 MEP which for a personProfessor> > Choudhry says " causes health problems, losses through cheating,tendency for> > excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and problem to

parents. " > > At a national level, this could introduce a negative side to theculture,> > such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness in socialinteraction.> >> > *For KETU, " *It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction causes

wounds,> > inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations, lowblood> > pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated bodywith prominent> > veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person more

towards> > mystic science and spiritual pursuits. " > >> > *KETU *on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financialinstability,> > health crisis and conflict.> >

> > In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22°Aquarius and> > Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly the H11 MEPand H5 MEP> > and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the

significations of> > these houses would be strained, such as a crisis for earners orspeculators.> >> > Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in H4 underexact> > aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be in H6.

L9 Juputer> > in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12,with also H9> > exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the luckwill be> > strained at this time. Specifically, on 1 April 2007, transit L6

Mercury and> > transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP aspectingalso H5, with> > L5 Sun in H12.> >> > Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early April, a

> > serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial marketpossibly> > set off by a setback in income streams.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > C> >

> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

This is some kind of translation error, as the midnight refers to the

start of the new day, which occurred at 6 AM in ancient times, as

opposed to 12:00 AM in modern times. Thailand adopted the modern

convention only recently. Hence, the midnight time in 1782 would

refer to 6AM.

 

In addition to that, I mentioned that I have a very credible source

who has emphatically suggested only a morning time, with rising of

Sun, would have been used.

 

Finally, as astrologers picked the time, their clear preference would

have been for the Aries rising chart, as discussed in my earlier

message.

 

Best wishes,

 

C

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear Cosmologer,

>

> may be you have missed my message #12007, where I shared also this

> information:

>

> On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " the 10th day of the

rising moon

> period), at 15 minutes after midnight, the City's pillar was

erected. The

> date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.

>

> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

>

> On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jorge,

> >

> > I am surprised to hear you are adhering to the midnight time. As

the

> > new information I shared with you reveals this time is very likely

> > based on a misunderstanding. More importantly, the historical

events

> > in Thailand, including the recent coup d'etat, are easily

explained

> > by the Aries rising chart.

> >

> > In any event, it is an empirical matter to decide this question

with

> > predictions for each of the two charts. It should soon become

> > apparent which one is correct. If the Aries rising chart is

correct

> > there will be a clearly evident strain in the financial market in

> > early 2007. The nodal influences should become apparent already in

> > early 2007 with the peak of the difficulty to occur around late

> > March/early April as noted in the earlier message.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Cosmologer,

> > >

> > > this is a good initiative of yours. However, and in my view, it

> > will not

> > > happen that way. After going through both charts I have seen the

> > 12:15 AM

> > > chart much more consistent explaining the past events. The

problems

> > created

> > > by the nodes over the MEPs will come up between December 2007

and

> > April

> > > 2008, especially after February 15, 2008.

> > >

> > > Regarding the problems of December 18 and 19, as Thailand is

> > currently in *

> > > Ju/Ke/Sa*, and both Jupiter and Saturn, L2 (gains), are

retrograde

> > in rashi,

> > > they were affected by the transit of Jupiter, L12 (losses) in

H11

> > (gains).

> > > The influence of transit Jupiter, L12, was felt over natal

Mercury,

> > L9, and

> > > Moon, L7, and over transit Moon and transit Mars, L4 (assets,

> > collective

> > > mind also) . Transit Ketu is badly placed and almost at the same

> > longitude

> > > of the natal nodes. Transit Saturn, L2, is in extreme infancy,

> > retrograde

> > > and also badly placed in transit, so very weak. At the same

time,

> > the house

> > > of their natal placement was afflicted by the transit of the

MMP,

> > the Sun,

> > > over MEP12.

> > >

> > > Going through the past events with both charts, the 12:15 AM and

> > the 06:30

> > > AM, is a very good learning exercise. If any of the list members

> > have some

> > > spare time and is interested in learning, I would encourage

him/her

> > to do

> > > it.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Jorge

> > >

> > >

> > > On 12/26/06, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jorge and list members,

> > > >

> > > > The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai chart

> > when the

> > > > nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting all

the

> > odd

> > > > numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6 MEPs

> > aspecting all

> > > > the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in a

steady

> > level of

> > > > problems in society - although other supremely good placements

> > off-set this

> > > > to a certain extent.

> > > >

> > > > Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On

> > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com <http://www.yournetastrologer.com/>

it

> > says:

> > > > **

> > > > * " RAHU* is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet and

a

> > legendary

> > > > deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic

jobs,

> > jobs

> > > > requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and

drugs.

> > It signifies

> > > > cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts, etc. It

is

> > phlegmatic

> > > > in nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting, causes

> > malignant

> > > > growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin, ulcers,

> > spleen, worms,

> > > > high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant

> > appearance due to

> > > > habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean

body

> > and nails. "

> > > >

> > > > In the Thai chart, *RAHU *is on H12 MEP which for a person

> > Professor

> > > > Choudhry says " causes health problems, losses through

cheating,

> > tendency for

> > > > excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and

problem to

> > parents. "

> > > > At a national level, this could introduce a negative side to

the

> > culture,

> > > > such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness in social

> > interaction.

> > > >

> > > > *For KETU, " *It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction

causes

> > wounds,

> > > > inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations, low

> > blood

> > > > pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated body

> > with prominent

> > > > veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person more

> > towards

> > > > mystic science and spiritual pursuits. "

> > > >

> > > > *KETU *on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial

> > instability,

> > > > health crisis and conflict.

> > > >

> > > > In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22°

> > Aquarius and

> > > > Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly the H11

MEP

> > and H5 MEP

> > > > and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the

> > significations of

> > > > these houses would be strained, such as a crisis for earners

or

> > speculators.

> > > >

> > > > Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in H4

under

> > exact

> > > > aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be in

H6.

> > L9 Juputer

> > > > in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in

H12,

> > with also H9

> > > > exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the luck

> > will be

> > > > strained at this time. Specifically, on 1 April 2007, transit

L6

> > Mercury and

> > > > transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP aspecting

> > also H5, with

> > > > L5 Sun in H12.

> > > >

> > > > Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early April,

a

> > > > serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial

market

> > possibly

> > > > set off by a setback in income streams.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > C

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hi Jorge Thanx for the info. I am interested in learning. Could you please post the charts ciao IverJorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: Dear Cosmologer, this is a good initiative of yours. However, and in my view, it will not happen that way. After going through both charts I have seen the 12:15 AM chart much more consistent explaining the past events. The problems created by the nodes over the MEPs will come up between December 2007 and April 2008, especially after February 15, 2008. Regarding the problems of December 18 and 19, as Thailand is currently in Ju/Ke/Sa, and both Jupiter and Saturn, L2

(gains), are retrograde in rashi, they were affected by the transit of Jupiter, L12 (losses) in H11 (gains). The influence of transit Jupiter, L12, was felt over natal Mercury, L9, and Moon, L7, and over transit Moon and transit Mars, L4 (assets, collective mind also) . Transit Ketu is badly placed and almost at the same longitude of the natal nodes. Transit Saturn, L2, is in extreme infancy, retrograde and also badly placed in transit, so very weak. At the same time, the house of their natal placement was afflicted by the transit of the MMP, the Sun, over MEP12. Going through the past events with both charts, the 12:15 AM and the 06:30 AM, is a very good learning exercise. If any of the list members have some spare time and is interested in learning, I would encourage him/her to do it. Best wishes, Jorge On 12/26/06, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear Jorge and list members, The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai chart when the nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting all the odd numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6 MEPs aspecting all the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in a steady level of problems in society - although other supremely good placements off-set this to a certain extent. Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On www.YourNetAstrologer.com it

says: "RAHU is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet and a legendary deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic jobs, jobs requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and drugs. It signifies cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts, etc. It is phlegmatic in nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting, causes malignant growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin, ulcers, spleen, worms, high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant appearance due to habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean body and nails." In the Thai chart, RAHU is on H12 MEP which for a person says "causes health problems, losses through cheating, tendency for excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and problem to parents." At a national level, this could

introduce a negative side to the culture, such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness in social interaction. For KETU, "It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction causes wounds, inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations, low blood pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated body with prominent veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person more towards mystic science and spiritual pursuits." KETU on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial instability, health crisis and conflict. In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22° Aquarius and Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly the H11 MEP and H5 MEP and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the significations of these houses would be strained, such as a crisis for earners or speculators.

Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in H4 under exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be in H6. L9 Juputer in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12, with also H9 exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the luck will be strained at this time. Specifically, on 1 April 2007, transit L6 Mercury and transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP aspecting also H5, with L5 Sun in H12. Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early April, a serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial market possibly set off by a setback in income streams. Best wishes, C Tired of spam? Mail

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Dear Cosmologer,

 

It can be a translation error as you say, that is why I also rectified the morning chart, and it came out to be exactly at 06:30 AM. However, we should not forget that the king himself was an astrologer. May be for some reason he has chosen the midnight time. Less people were awaked at that time to oppose him...

 

 

If the morning chart comes out to be the correct chart, then we have to look more carefully to possibility of the mooltrikona rulers of D6, D8 and D12 to be able to inflict malefic influences. Please check enough calamities and see how the Sun behaves this way, often being close to the MEPs. The Sun is the MT ruler of D6. Mercury is the MT ruler of D8, and Jupiter is the MT ruler of D12. May be this is the reason of such apparently strong chart having so many problems.

 

 

However, the proximity of the Sun to the 22 degrees may also be due to the longitudes of the natal nodes.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Jorge,This is some kind of translation error, as the midnight refers to thestart of the new day, which occurred at 6 AM in ancient times, as

opposed to 12:00 AM in modern times. Thailand adopted the modernconvention only recently. Hence, the midnight time in 1782 wouldrefer to 6AM.In addition to that, I mentioned that I have a very credible source

who has emphatically suggested only a morning time, with rising ofSun, would have been used.Finally, as astrologers picked the time, their clear preference wouldhave been for the Aries rising chart, as discussed in my earlier

message.Best wishes,CSAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear Cosmologer,

>> may be you have missed my message #12007, where I shared also this> information:>> On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " the 10th day of therising moon> period), at 15 minutes after midnight, the City's pillar was

erected. The> date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/> Best wishes,>

> Jorge>>> On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:> >> > Dear Jorge,> >> > I am surprised to hear you are adhering to the midnight time. As

the> > new information I shared with you reveals this time is very likely> > based on a misunderstanding. More importantly, the historicalevents> > in Thailand, including the recent coup d'etat, are easily

explained> > by the Aries rising chart.> >> > In any event, it is an empirical matter to decide this questionwith> > predictions for each of the two charts. It should soon become

> > apparent which one is correct. If the Aries rising chart iscorrect> > there will be a clearly evident strain in the financial market in> > early 2007. The nodal influences should become apparent already in

> > early 2007 with the peak of the difficulty to occur around late> > March/early April as noted in the earlier message.> >> > Best regards,> >> > C> >

> >> >> > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Cosmologer,

> > >> > > this is a good initiative of yours. However, and in my view, it> > will not> > > happen that way. After going through both charts I have seen the> > 12:15 AM

> > > chart much more consistent explaining the past events. Theproblems> > created> > > by the nodes over the MEPs will come up between December 2007and> > April> > > 2008, especially after February 15, 2008.

> > >> > > Regarding the problems of December 18 and 19, as Thailand is> > currently in *> > > Ju/Ke/Sa*, and both Jupiter and Saturn, L2 (gains), areretrograde> > in rashi,

> > > they were affected by the transit of Jupiter, L12 (losses) inH11> > (gains).> > > The influence of transit Jupiter, L12, was felt over natalMercury,> > L9, and

> > > Moon, L7, and over transit Moon and transit Mars, L4 (assets,> > collective> > > mind also) . Transit Ketu is badly placed and almost at the same> > longitude> > > of the natal nodes. Transit Saturn, L2, is in extreme infancy,

> > retrograde> > > and also badly placed in transit, so very weak. At the sametime,> > the house> > > of their natal placement was afflicted by the transit of theMMP,

> > the Sun,> > > over MEP12.> > >> > > Going through the past events with both charts, the 12:15 AM and> > the 06:30> > > AM, is a very good learning exercise. If any of the list members

> > have some> > > spare time and is interested in learning, I would encouragehim/her> > to do> > > it.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >

> > > Jorge> > >> > >> > > On 12/26/06, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Jorge and list members,> > > >

> > > > The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai chart> > when the> > > > nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting allthe> > odd> > > > numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6 MEPs

> > aspecting all> > > > the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in asteady> > level of> > > > problems in society - although other supremely good placements

> > off-set this> > > > to a certain extent.> > > >> > > > Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On> > > >

www.YourNetAstrologer.com <http://www.yournetastrologer.com/>it> > says:> > > > **> > > > * " RAHU* is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet and

a> > legendary> > > > deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomaticjobs,> > jobs> > > > requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons anddrugs.

> > It signifies> > > > cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts, etc. Itis> > phlegmatic> > > > in nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting, causes

> > malignant> > > > growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin, ulcers,> > spleen, worms,> > > > high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant> > appearance due to

> > > > habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and uncleanbody> > and nails. " > > > >> > > > In the Thai chart, *RAHU *is on H12 MEP which for a person

> > Professor> > > > Choudhry says " causes health problems, losses throughcheating,> > tendency for> > > > excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and

problem to> > parents. " > > > > At a national level, this could introduce a negative side tothe> > culture,> > > > such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness in social

> > interaction.> > > >> > > > *For KETU, " *It is dry and fiery in nature. Its afflictioncauses> > wounds,> > > > inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations, low

> > blood> > > > pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated body> > with prominent> > > > veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person more

> > towards> > > > mystic science and spiritual pursuits. " > > > >> > > > *KETU *on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial> > instability,> > > > health crisis and conflict.

> > > >> > > > In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22°> > Aquarius and> > > > Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly the H11MEP

> > and H5 MEP> > > > and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the> > significations of> > > > these houses would be strained, such as a crisis for earners

or> > speculators.> > > >> > > > Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in H4under> > exact> > > > aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be in

H6.> > L9 Juputer> > > > in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu inH12,> > with also H9> > > > exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the luck

> > will be> > > > strained at this time. Specifically, on 1 April 2007, transitL6> > Mercury and> > > > transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP aspecting

> > also H5, with> > > > L5 Sun in H12.> > > >> > > > Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early April,a> > > > serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial

market> > possibly> > > > set off by a setback in income streams.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > C> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >

> >> >

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Dear Jorge,

 

Fortunately, we will not have to wait long to see the merit of the

Aries rising chart.

 

Best wishes,

 

C

 

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear Cosmologer,

>

> It can be a translation error as you say, that is why I also

rectified the

> morning chart, and it came out to be exactly at 06:30 AM. However,

we should

> not forget that the king himself was an astrologer. May be for some

reason

> he has chosen the midnight time. Less people were awaked at that

time to

> oppose him...

>

> If the morning chart comes out to be the correct chart, then we

have to look

> more carefully to possibility of the mooltrikona rulers of D6, D8

and D12 to

> be able to inflict malefic influences. Please check enough

calamities and

> see how the Sun behaves this way, often being close to the MEPs.

The Sun is

> the MT ruler of D6. Mercury is the MT ruler of D8, and Jupiter is

the MT

> ruler of D12. May be this is the reason of such apparently strong

chart

> having so many problems.

>

> However, the proximity of the Sun to the 22 degrees may also be due

to the

> longitudes of the natal nodes.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

>

> On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jorge,

> >

> > This is some kind of translation error, as the midnight refers to

the

> > start of the new day, which occurred at 6 AM in ancient times, as

> > opposed to 12:00 AM in modern times. Thailand adopted the modern

> > convention only recently. Hence, the midnight time in 1782 would

> > refer to 6AM.

> >

> > In addition to that, I mentioned that I have a very credible

source

> > who has emphatically suggested only a morning time, with rising of

> > Sun, would have been used.

> >

> > Finally, as astrologers picked the time, their clear preference

would

> > have been for the Aries rising chart, as discussed in my earlier

> > message.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > C

> >

> > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Cosmologer,

> > >

> > > may be you have missed my message #12007, where I shared also

this

> > > information:

> > >

> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " the 10th day of the

> > rising moon

> > > period), at 15 minutes after midnight, the City's pillar was

> > erected. The

> > > date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.

> > >

> > > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Jorge

> > >

> > >

> > > On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jorge,

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised to hear you are adhering to the midnight time.

As

> > the

> > > > new information I shared with you reveals this time is very

likely

> > > > based on a misunderstanding. More importantly, the historical

> > events

> > > > in Thailand, including the recent coup d'etat, are easily

> > explained

> > > > by the Aries rising chart.

> > > >

> > > > In any event, it is an empirical matter to decide this

question

> > with

> > > > predictions for each of the two charts. It should soon become

> > > > apparent which one is correct. If the Aries rising chart is

> > correct

> > > > there will be a clearly evident strain in the financial

market in

> > > > early 2007. The nodal influences should become apparent

already in

> > > > early 2007 with the peak of the difficulty to occur around

late

> > > > March/early April as noted in the earlier message.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > C

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino "

<jorge.angelino@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Cosmologer,

> > > > >

> > > > > this is a good initiative of yours. However, and in my

view, it

> > > > will not

> > > > > happen that way. After going through both charts I have

seen the

> > > > 12:15 AM

> > > > > chart much more consistent explaining the past events. The

> > problems

> > > > created

> > > > > by the nodes over the MEPs will come up between December

2007

> > and

> > > > April

> > > > > 2008, especially after February 15, 2008.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding the problems of December 18 and 19, as Thailand is

> > > > currently in *

> > > > > Ju/Ke/Sa*, and both Jupiter and Saturn, L2 (gains), are

> > retrograde

> > > > in rashi,

> > > > > they were affected by the transit of Jupiter, L12 (losses)

in

> > H11

> > > > (gains).

> > > > > The influence of transit Jupiter, L12, was felt over natal

> > Mercury,

> > > > L9, and

> > > > > Moon, L7, and over transit Moon and transit Mars, L4

(assets,

> > > > collective

> > > > > mind also) . Transit Ketu is badly placed and almost at the

same

> > > > longitude

> > > > > of the natal nodes. Transit Saturn, L2, is in extreme

infancy,

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > and also badly placed in transit, so very weak. At the same

> > time,

> > > > the house

> > > > > of their natal placement was afflicted by the transit of the

> > MMP,

> > > > the Sun,

> > > > > over MEP12.

> > > > >

> > > > > Going through the past events with both charts, the 12:15

AM and

> > > > the 06:30

> > > > > AM, is a very good learning exercise. If any of the list

members

> > > > have some

> > > > > spare time and is interested in learning, I would encourage

> > him/her

> > > > to do

> > > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jorge

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12/26/06, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jorge and list members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai

chart

> > > > when the

> > > > > > nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting

all

> > the

> > > > odd

> > > > > > numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6

MEPs

> > > > aspecting all

> > > > > > the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in a

> > steady

> > > > level of

> > > > > > problems in society - although other supremely good

placements

> > > > off-set this

> > > > > > to a certain extent.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On

> > > > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com

<http://www.yournetastrologer.com/>

> > it

> > > > says:

> > > > > > **

> > > > > > * " RAHU* is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet

and

> > a

> > > > legendary

> > > > > > deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic

> > jobs,

> > > > jobs

> > > > > > requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and

> > drugs.

> > > > It signifies

> > > > > > cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts,

etc. It

> > is

> > > > phlegmatic

> > > > > > in nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting,

causes

> > > > malignant

> > > > > > growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin,

ulcers,

> > > > spleen, worms,

> > > > > > high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant

> > > > appearance due to

> > > > > > habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean

> > body

> > > > and nails. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the Thai chart, *RAHU *is on H12 MEP which for a person

> > > > Professor

> > > > > > Choudhry says " causes health problems, losses through

> > cheating,

> > > > tendency for

> > > > > > excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and

> > problem to

> > > > parents. "

> > > > > > At a national level, this could introduce a negative side

to

> > the

> > > > culture,

> > > > > > such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness in

social

> > > > interaction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *For KETU, " *It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction

> > causes

> > > > wounds,

> > > > > > inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations,

low

> > > > blood

> > > > > > pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated

body

> > > > with prominent

> > > > > > veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person

more

> > > > towards

> > > > > > mystic science and spiritual pursuits. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *KETU *on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial

> > > > instability,

> > > > > > health crisis and conflict.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22°

> > > > Aquarius and

> > > > > > Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly the

H11

> > MEP

> > > > and H5 MEP

> > > > > > and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the

> > > > significations of

> > > > > > these houses would be strained, such as a crisis for

earners

> > or

> > > > speculators.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in

H4

> > under

> > > > exact

> > > > > > aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be

in

> > H6.

> > > > L9 Juputer

> > > > > > in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in

> > H12,

> > > > with also H9

> > > > > > exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the

luck

> > > > will be

> > > > > > strained at this time. Specifically, on 1 April 2007,

transit

> > L6

> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP

aspecting

> > > > also H5, with

> > > > > > L5 Sun in H12.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early

April,

> > a

> > > > > > serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial

> > market

> > > > possibly

> > > > > > set off by a setback in income streams.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > C

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear Cosmologer,

 

You are right! Let us see how your prediction works.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Jorge,Fortunately, we will not have to wait long to see the merit of theAries rising chart.

Best wishes,CSAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear Cosmologer,>

> It can be a translation error as you say, that is why I alsorectified the> morning chart, and it came out to be exactly at 06:30 AM. However,we should> not forget that the king himself was an astrologer. May be for some

reason> he has chosen the midnight time. Less people were awaked at thattime to> oppose him...>> If the morning chart comes out to be the correct chart, then wehave to look> more carefully to possibility of the mooltrikona rulers of D6, D8

and D12 to> be able to inflict malefic influences. Please check enoughcalamities and> see how the Sun behaves this way, often being close to the MEPs.The Sun is> the MT ruler of D6. Mercury is the MT ruler of D8, and Jupiter is

the MT> ruler of D12. May be this is the reason of such apparently strongchart> having so many problems.>> However, the proximity of the Sun to the 22 degrees may also be dueto the

> longitudes of the natal nodes.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:> >> > Dear Jorge,> >> > This is some kind of translation error, as the midnight refers to

the> > start of the new day, which occurred at 6 AM in ancient times, as> > opposed to 12:00 AM in modern times. Thailand adopted the modern> > convention only recently. Hence, the midnight time in 1782 would

> > refer to 6AM.> >> > In addition to that, I mentioned that I have a very crediblesource> > who has emphatically suggested only a morning time, with rising of> > Sun, would have been used.

> >> > Finally, as astrologers picked the time, their clear preferencewould> > have been for the Aries rising chart, as discussed in my earlier> > message.> >> > Best wishes,

> >> > C> >> > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Cosmologer,

> > >> > > may be you have missed my message #12007, where I shared alsothis> > > information:> > >> > > On Sunday of the sixth month, khUn " sip'kam " the 10th day of the

> > rising moon> > > period), at 15 minutes after midnight, the City's pillar was> > erected. The> > > date is translated to the western calendar as April 21, 1782.> > >

> > > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/thai/culture/> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Jorge> > >> > >

> > > On 12/27/06, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Jorge,> > > >> > > > I am surprised to hear you are adhering to the midnight time.

As> > the> > > > new information I shared with you reveals this time is verylikely> > > > based on a misunderstanding. More importantly, the historical> > events

> > > > in Thailand, including the recent coup d'etat, are easily> > explained> > > > by the Aries rising chart.> > > >> > > > In any event, it is an empirical matter to decide this

question> > with> > > > predictions for each of the two charts. It should soon become> > > > apparent which one is correct. If the Aries rising chart is> > correct

> > > > there will be a clearly evident strain in the financialmarket in> > > > early 2007. The nodal influences should become apparentalready in> > > > early 2007 with the peak of the difficulty to occur around

late> > > > March/early April as noted in the earlier message.> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > >> > > > C> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Cosmologer,> > > > >> > > > > this is a good initiative of yours. However, and in myview, it> > > > will not> > > > > happen that way. After going through both charts I have

seen the> > > > 12:15 AM> > > > > chart much more consistent explaining the past events. The> > problems> > > > created> > > > > by the nodes over the MEPs will come up between December

2007> > and> > > > April> > > > > 2008, especially after February 15, 2008.> > > > >> > > > > Regarding the problems of December 18 and 19, as Thailand is

> > > > currently in *> > > > > Ju/Ke/Sa*, and both Jupiter and Saturn, L2 (gains), are> > retrograde> > > > in rashi,> > > > > they were affected by the transit of Jupiter, L12 (losses)

in> > H11> > > > (gains).> > > > > The influence of transit Jupiter, L12, was felt over natal> > Mercury,> > > > L9, and> > > > > Moon, L7, and over transit Moon and transit Mars, L4

(assets,> > > > collective> > > > > mind also) . Transit Ketu is badly placed and almost at thesame> > > > longitude> > > > > of the natal nodes. Transit Saturn, L2, is in extreme

infancy,> > > > retrograde> > > > > and also badly placed in transit, so very weak. At the same> > time,> > > > the house> > > > > of their natal placement was afflicted by the transit of the

> > MMP,> > > > the Sun,> > > > > over MEP12.> > > > >> > > > > Going through the past events with both charts, the 12:15AM and> > > > the 06:30

> > > > > AM, is a very good learning exercise. If any of the listmembers> > > > have some> > > > > spare time and is interested in learning, I would encourage

> > him/her> > > > to do> > > > > it.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Jorge> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > On 12/26/06, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Jorge and list members,> > > > > >

> > > > > > The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thaichart> > > > when the> > > > > > nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting

all> > the> > > > odd> > > > > > numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6MEPs> > > > aspecting all> > > > > > the even numbered houses. This would tend to manifest in a

> > steady> > > > level of> > > > > > problems in society - although other supremely goodplacements> > > > off-set this> > > > > > to a certain extent.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On> > > > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com

<http://www.yournetastrologer.com/>> > it> > > > says:> > > > > > **> > > > > > * " RAHU* is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet

and> > a> > > > legendary> > > > > > deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic> > jobs,> > > > jobs> > > > > > requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and

> > drugs.> > > > It signifies> > > > > > cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral acts,etc. It> > is> > > > phlegmatic> > > > > > in nature and gives malignant growth. When afflicting,

causes> > > > malignant> > > > > > growth, disease of phlegm, intestines, boils, skin,ulcers,> > > > spleen, worms,> > > > > > high blood pressure, etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant

> > > > appearance due to> > > > > > habits of overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean> > body> > > > and nails. " > > > > > >

> > > > > > In the Thai chart, *RAHU *is on H12 MEP which for a person> > > > Professor> > > > > > Choudhry says " causes health problems, losses through

> > cheating,> > > > tendency for> > > > > > excessive indulgence in materialism, mental unrest and> > problem to> > > > parents. " > > > > > > At a national level, this could introduce a negative side

to> > the> > > > culture,> > > > > > such as a tendency for falsity and underhandedness insocial> > > > interaction.> > > > > >

> > > > > > *For KETU, " *It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction> > causes> > > > wounds,> > > > > > inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations,

low> > > > blood> > > > > > pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciatedbody> > > > with prominent> > > > > > veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a person

more> > > > towards> > > > > > mystic science and spiritual pursuits. " > > > > > >> > > > > > *KETU *on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial

> > > > instability,> > > > > > health crisis and conflict.> > > > > >> > > > > > In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22°

> > > > Aquarius and> > > > > > Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly theH11> > MEP> > > > and H5 MEP> > > > > > and all the odd numbered houses. During this time, the

> > > > significations of> > > > > > these houses would be strained, such as a crisis forearners> > or> > > > speculators.> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn inH4> > under> > > > exact> > > > > > aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be

in> > H6.> > > > L9 Juputer> > > > > > in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in> > H12,> > > > with also H9> > > > > > exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP. Hence, the

luck> > > > will be> > > > > > strained at this time. Specifically, on 1 April 2007,transit> > L6> > > > Mercury and> > > > > > transit FM Rahu will be exactly conjunct on H11 MEP

aspecting> > > > also H5, with> > > > > > L5 Sun in H12.> > > > > >> > > > > > Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early

April,> > a> > > > > > serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial> > market> > > > possibly> > > > > > set off by a setback in income streams.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > C> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge and list members,

 

Already the problems are manifesting in Thailand with the bombings on

New Years day and a further 4% drop in the Thailand stock exchange

today. Transit Rahu is now at 24° 25' Aquarius and on the H11 MEP of

the Thai Aries rising chart. Likewise, transit Ketu is at 24° 25' Leo

and on the H5 MEP. Interestingly, Ketu is associated with bombings.

 

These events raise the question of the actual rising degree for the

chart of Thailand. Is it 22° Aries rising chart as Jorge has proposed

or closer to 24° as the earlier technical calculations suggested? In

this regard it would be good to know if the rectification by Jorge is

based on astrological fitting or technical information about the

rising sun in Thailand on this day in 1781? In other words, did the

sunrise occur at 6:02 AM (as it has in modern times) or did it occur

at 5:36 AM. Alternatively, did the event take place 54 minutes after

sunrise or 15 minutes after sunrise - although it is referred to have

taken place after midnight. This confusion arises in translation of

modern documents because the start of the new day was considered to

occur at sunrise, at 6AM, in vedic times but at 12 midnight in modern

times. In other words, there is some confusion in my mind concerning

when the actual sunrise took place on this day in 1781 in addition to

uncertainty about the timing of the event after sunrise. Two records

are giving two intervals, 15 and 54 minutes. If the sunrise occurred

closer to 6 AM as it does in modern times, and if the astrologers in

Thailand are correct and the event occurred 54 minutes after sunrise,

then the rising degree would be closer to 24° Aries.

 

In any event, we will soon see if the events are culminating at the

present time or are going to intensify in coming weeks and months as

earlier predicted based on the 22° Aries rising degree.

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

 

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear Jorge and list members,

>

> The coming months offer an interesting test of the Thai chart

when the nodes become stationary on the H11 and H5 MEPs, aspecting

all the odd numbered houses. Natally, the nodes are on the H12 and H6

MEPs aspecting all the even numbered houses. This would tend to

manifest in a steady level of problems in society - although other

supremely good placements off-set this to a certain extent.

>

> Let´s consider what the natal placement means. On

www.YourNetAstrologer.com it says:

>

> " RAHU is personified as a diplomat and a shadowy planet and a

legendary deceptor when disposed beneficially. Indicates diplomatic

jobs, jobs requiring manipulations with facts, deals in poisons and

drugs. It signifies cheats, pleasure seekers, insincere and immoral

acts, etc. It is phlegmatic in nature and gives malignant growth.

When afflicting, causes malignant growth, disease of phlegm,

intestines, boils, skin, ulcers, spleen, worms, high blood pressure,

etc. It gives smoky and unpleasant appearance due to habits of

overeating, resulting in foul smells and unclean body and nails. "

>

> In the Thai chart, RAHU is on H12 MEP which for a person

says " causes health problems, losses through

cheating, tendency for excessive indulgence in materialism, mental

unrest and problem to parents. " At a national level, this could

introduce a negative side to the culture, such as a tendency for

falsity and underhandedness in social interaction.

>

> For KETU, " It is dry and fiery in nature. Its affliction causes

wounds, inflammations, fevers, intestinal disorders, aberrations, low

blood pressure, deafness, defective speech and gives emaciated body

with prominent veins. It is personified as a saint and inclines a

person more towards mystic science and spiritual pursuits. "

>

> KETU on H6 MEP would suggest sudden bouts of financial

instability, health crisis and conflict.

>

> In coming months, the nodes will go stationary around 22°

Aquarius and Leo, during which time the nodes will afflict exactly

the H11 MEP and H5 MEP and all the odd numbered houses. During this

time, the significations of these houses would be strained, such as a

crisis for earners or speculators.

>

> Ju/Mo period will be running, with transit L11 Saturn in H4 under

exact aspect of natal Rahu in H12 when transit L4 Moon will be in H6.

L9 Juputer in H8 will also be under the exact aspect of natal Rahu in

H12, with also H9 exactly afflicted by transit Ketu in H5 MEP.

Hence, the luck will be strained at this time. Specifically, on 1

April 2007, transit L6 Mercury and transit FM Rahu will be exactly

conjunct on H11 MEP aspecting also H5, with L5 Sun in H12.

>

> Conclusion: in the spring, around late March and early April, a

serious strain should have emerged for the Thai financial market

possibly set off by a setback in income streams.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> C

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