Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Dear C, You have done some great research to find a chart for America which fits in so many respects. Could I suggest a slight adjustment. I believe a Sag. Navamsha better fits the ideal of “Truth ,Justice and the American way” ---as Superman said. The closest we had to Superman was actor Christopher Reeve. He is also Cancer ascendent. See the position of his Moon. A Sag. navamsha adds the element of fire which modifies the watery Cancer. Also Sag navamsha gives the dynamic and aggressive quality. In Jain’s book on planetary degrees, 19-20 deg Cancer is the “Degree of Liberty”. I think the ascendent should therefore be less than 20 deg Cancer. This will make little difference overall but in the interests of completeness you may wish to consider this change. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Dear Ron, Thank you for the suggestion regarding the timing viz the Navamsha ascendant. The only issue that comes up involving the move from s Capricorn ascendant to a Sagittarius ascendant is that the Sun moves from being L8 in H8 to being L9 in H9 and the affliction of L12 Jupiter in H8 becomes conjunction with L1 Jupiter in H9. This could have a bearing on its strength in the Rasi chart. The fact that the Sun is afflicted by L8 Saturn in H5 in the Rasi chart is the reason why out of the 43 US Presidents to date, four have been assasinated, at least two have been the subjects of an assassination attempt, one has resigned from office under threat of impeachment, and one was impeached but not removed from office. That said, the Office of the President of the United States has not been affected. Also, transit strain on the L2 Sun (in Rasi) have always led to drop in stock prices but this has been followed by a an eventual recovery and then a continued long term rise. In short, there are setbacks for the indications of the Sun but which are overcome in the longer term. A priori, the strength of the Sun in Navamsa and other planets in other divisionals may therefore be important for the interpretation, and this has an impact on the choice of degree. Ultimately, the exact degree of this chart becomes a matter for such considerations and empirical observation. As John TWB has shown, there is potentially scope for a change in the degree. I could note that my initial rectifications was based on the degree 19° 48' when using LMT 5:00 instead of the actual 5:06. When making the LMT correction to 20° 59' I noted that this one degree change does not change the reading for the chart or interpretation of astrological dynamics during significant events. I would be interested in ´s point of view on this question. Best regards, C SAMVA , Ron Day <ronkar wrote: > > Dear C, > > You have done some great research to find a chart for America which fits > in so many respects. > > Could I suggest a slight adjustment. > > I believe a Sag. Navamsha better fits the ideal of " Truth ,Justice and > the American way " ---as Superman said. The closest we had to Superman > was actor Christopher Reeve. He is also Cancer ascendent. See the > position of his Moon. > > A Sag. navamsha adds the element of fire which modifies the watery > Cancer. Also Sag navamsha gives the dynamic and aggressive quality. > > In Jain's book on planetary degrees, 19-20 deg Cancer is the " Degree of > Liberty " . > > I think the ascendent should therefore be less than 20 deg Cancer. This > will make little difference overall but in the interests of completeness > you may wish to consider this change. > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Hello dear Cosmologer, In navamsa we consider strength of planets and change of navamsa in this case does not make any real change in the strength of planets. Best wishes, - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:09 PM Re: SAMVA USA Chart comments Dear Ron, Thank you for the suggestion regarding the timing viz the Navamsha ascendant. The only issue that comes up involving the move from s Capricorn ascendant to a Sagittarius ascendant is that the Sun moves from being L8 in H8 to being L9 in H9 and the affliction of L12 Jupiter in H8 becomes conjunction with L1 Jupiter in H9. This could have a bearing on its strength in the Rasi chart. The fact that the Sun is afflicted by L8 Saturn in H5 in the Rasi chart is the reason why out of the 43 US Presidents to date, four have been assasinated, at least two have been the subjects of an assassination attempt, one has resigned from office under threat of impeachment, and one was impeached but not removed from office. That said, the Office of the President of the United States has not been affected. Also, transit strain on the L2 Sun (in Rasi) have always led to drop in stock prices but this has been followed by a an eventual recovery and then a continued long term rise. In short, there are setbacks for the indications of the Sun but which are overcome in the longer term. A priori, the strength of the Sun in Navamsa and other planets in other divisionals may therefore be important for the interpretation, and this has an impact on the choice of degree. Ultimately, the exact degree of this chart becomes a matter for such considerations and empirical observation. As John TWB has shown, there is potentially scope for a change in the degree. I could note that my initial rectifications was based on the degree 19° 48' when using LMT 5:00 instead of the actual 5:06. When making the LMT correction to 20° 59' I noted that this one degree change does not change the reading for the chart or interpretation of astrological dynamics during significant events. I would be interested in ´s point of view on this question. Best regards, C SAMVA , Ron Day <ronkar wrote: > > Dear C, > > You have done some great research to find a chart for America which fits > in so many respects. > > Could I suggest a slight adjustment. > > I believe a Sag. Navamsha better fits the ideal of " Truth ,Justice and > the American way " ---as Superman said. The closest we had to Superman > was actor Christopher Reeve. He is also Cancer ascendent. See the > position of his Moon. > > A Sag. navamsha adds the element of fire which modifies the watery > Cancer. Also Sag navamsha gives the dynamic and aggressive quality. > > In Jain's book on planetary degrees, 19-20 deg Cancer is the " Degree of > Liberty " . > > I think the ascendent should therefore be less than 20 deg Cancer. This > will make little difference overall but in the interests of completeness > you may wish to consider this change. > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Dear , Thank you for the clarification. Fortunately, we can settle the matter with empirical observation and prediction. Certainly, we will continue to consider this chart in terms of the predictions made and over time the correct rising degree should establish itself. Best wishes, C SAMVA , <siha wrote: > > > Hello dear Cosmologer, > > In navamsa we consider strength of planets and change of navamsa in this > case does not make any real change in the strength of planets. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:09 PM > Re: SAMVA USA Chart comments > > > Dear Ron, > > Thank you for the suggestion regarding the timing viz the Navamsha > ascendant. The only issue that comes up involving the move from s > Capricorn ascendant to a Sagittarius ascendant is that the Sun moves > from being L8 in H8 to being L9 in H9 and the affliction of L12 > Jupiter in H8 becomes conjunction with L1 Jupiter in H9. This could > have a bearing on its strength in the Rasi chart. > > The fact that the Sun is afflicted by L8 Saturn in H5 in the Rasi > chart is the reason why out of the 43 US Presidents to date, four > have been assasinated, at least two have been the subjects of an > assassination attempt, one has resigned from office under threat of > impeachment, and one was impeached but not removed from office. That > said, the Office of the President of the United States has not been > affected. Also, transit strain on the L2 Sun (in Rasi) have always > led to drop in stock prices but this has been followed by a an > eventual recovery and then a continued long term rise. In short, > there are setbacks for the indications of the Sun but which are > overcome in the longer term. > > A priori, the strength of the Sun in Navamsa and other planets in > other divisionals may therefore be important for the interpretation, > and this has an impact on the choice of degree. > > Ultimately, the exact degree of this chart becomes a matter for such > considerations and empirical observation. As John TWB has shown, > there is potentially scope for a change in the degree. I could note > that my initial rectifications was based on the degree > 19° 48' when using LMT 5:00 instead of the actual 5:06. > When making the LMT correction to 20° 59' I noted that this one > degree change does not change the reading for the chart or > interpretation of astrological dynamics during significant events. > > I would be interested in ´s point of view on this > question. > > Best regards, > > C > > > > SAMVA , Ron Day <ronkar@> wrote: > > > > Dear C, > > > > You have done some great research to find a chart for America which > fits > > in so many respects. > > > > Could I suggest a slight adjustment. > > > > I believe a Sag. Navamsha better fits the ideal of " Truth ,Justice > and > > the American way " ---as Superman said. The closest we had to > Superman > > was actor Christopher Reeve. He is also Cancer ascendent. See the > > position of his Moon. > > > > A Sag. navamsha adds the element of fire which modifies the watery > > Cancer. Also Sag navamsha gives the dynamic and aggressive quality. > > > > In Jain's book on planetary degrees, 19-20 deg Cancer is > the " Degree of > > Liberty " . > > > > I think the ascendent should therefore be less than 20 deg Cancer. > This > > will make little difference overall but in the interests of > completeness > > you may wish to consider this change. > > > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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