SAMVA USA chart - stocks drop near 20% in 1957

January 13, 2007

Dear list members, Another event that fits the bill. Event: Share prices (DJIA) drop by 19% from July to October 1957. Sa/Me period was running. In July transit L8 Saturn at 14° 37' Scorpio H5 cast a stationary aspect to L3 Mercury at 12° 06' Capricorn H7 from July to September. Please note the Saturn is the major period lord and Mercury is the sub-period lord. Hence, their energy is quite important for the overall result. However, that was not all. Transit nodes were also conjunct H4 and H10 MEPs and thus aspecting all even numbered houses. The aspect became exact in August. The nodes then went on to become stationary over the natal nodes during the Autumn months. This is a very difficult transit. Moreover, transit L6 Jupiter was in H3 aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11. L10 Mars, L3 Mercury and L2 Sun all passed through H2 and aspect of the transit and natal nodes as well as the aspect

of transit stationary L8 Saturn in Scorpio. Indeed, the transits were very dfficult during the second half of the year and it is no surprise the stock prices did not begin to recover until early 1958. This is the seventh back test of major downswings in the Dow Jones Industrial Average for stock prices that I have performed. In every event, the fit has been convincing. I am now thoroughly convinced about the ability of this chart to predict past events and will now wait for the developments in coming weeks and months to also realise the predictions made on its basis, which should establish the chart beyond a doubt. The files showing both the natal and transit configuration as well as graphs of the stock price movements have been archived on the SAMVA web site under the Files section and SAMVA USA chart folder. Best wishes, CCosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members, Another compelling case. Event: Share prices (DJIA) drop by 25% from February to October 1966. Sa/Ma period was running. In February transit L6 Jupiter at 27° 51 Cancer H11 is mutually aspecting L8 Saturn at 26° 46' Scorpio H5. Transit L8 Saturn at 23° 38' Aquarius H8 is also aspecting natal Saturn and transit L10 Mars at 19° 23' Aquarius H8. Transit L2 Sun and L3 Merucry are badly placed in H8. Rahu at 7° 21' Taurus H11 is conjunct natal L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11. Transit Ketu is conjunct natal L10 Mars at 10° Scorpio H5 and natal L6 Jupiter at 4° 25' Scorpio H5. The transits remain difficult during the year. Best wishes, CCosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members, When I have the time, I look at significant drops in the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) to see if transit strains explain them. I select drops and then study the transits - and not the other way around! From late June 1981 to third week of September 1981, the DJIA dropped in value by one fifth, which is a large drop in the history of the index, although not unique. Let me just add a salient observation: the DJIA has risen consistently from 1928 to the present day, but in between there have been setbacks, that have eventually been recovered. Most of them have taken only a few months to recover, but some periods have been marked by volatility and stagnation, possibly due to a sub-period of a

functional malefic planet being operating, adding to the woes.. Event: Share prices (DJIA) drops by 20% from late June to late September 1981. Me/Ma period was running. During most of this time, a stationary transit Rahu at 9°-8° Cancer H1 was aspecting natal L10 Mars at 10° Scorpio H5 and transit L6 Jupiter at 4° 25' Scorpio H5. Transit L8 Saturn at 9° Virgo H3 also aspected natal L10 Mars. Transit Ketu in Capricorn H7 was conjunct L3 Mercury aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11. L6 Jupiter was conjunct transit L8 Saturn at 9°-17° Virgo H3 during this time, but they had seperated by late September, when also the nodes have moved off their stationary position. Still the shares did not go into immediate recovery. In late September 1981, the Me/Ra period began, with the natal nodes afflicting the even numbered houses. The share prices did not fall much further, but they also did not recover until one year later. L6 Jupiter

became transit stationary conjunct the nodal axis in 1982. This was followed by Saturn aspecting L8 Saturn from H3 and then becomming conjunct H3. Finally, the nodes went through H12 and H6 MEP becoming stationary while aspecting the natal nodes. Only after these contacts seperated did the share prices rise in late 1982. The aboves shows that also for this event and what followed, the transit situation was quite challenging, causing a lot of strain in the financial market. Again, the SAMVA USA chart conforms to what is exepected of an authentic chart. Best regards, C Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members, I decided to look at the 25% drop in the Dow

Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) from mid May 2002 to third week of July 2002. This drop in the index was exceptionally large - shaving a quarter of the countries wealth in equities in the span of only nine weeks. Event: Stock prices in the USA (DJIA) decline by 25% from May 16 to July 23 2002. What likely explains this drop was the ongoing uncertainty about the future course of the War on Terror. The situation was likely making investors worried. Stocks were also generally under a cloud after experiencing a secular decline in early 2000 and then the "9/11" attacks in 2001 further added to the concerns. Still, stock prices held up fairly well in late 2001 and into early 2002. However, by mid May they suddenly entered into a steep decline, which shaved a quarter of the wealth of the stock market in a 9 week period - one of the deepest such declines in the countries history. Ve/Ma period was running. Transit Rahu at 24° 01' in Taurus H11 was closely aspecting L2 Sun at 23° 45' in Capricorn H7 and opposite L8 Saturn at 26° 46' Scorpio H5. Transit nodes closely afflict all odd numbered houses. Transit L8 Saturn is conjunct H11 MEP and aspects H1, H5 and H8. Transit L6 Jupiter at 19° 45' Gemini H12 is closely aspected by natal Ketu at 17° 47' in Libra H4. Transit L10 Mars at 28° 21' Taurus is closely aspected by natal L8 Saturn in H5. Transit L4 Venus in infancy and transit L1 Moon in H12 conjunct transit L6 Jupiter. During the summer of 2002, transit nodes remained stationary at 24° on the odd house MEPs and transit Saturn moved through a opposition aspect with its own natal placement. As the aboves shows, the transit situation was exceptionally bad, causing a lot of strain in the financial market. The SAMVA USA chart is performing very well, indeed. Best regards, C

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January 13, 2007

would it be correct to say that 17:05 (LMT zone 5:06) = 17:11 zone 5:00 that is standard time EST ? (just trying to learn the idiosyncracies of "time") ciao iver <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members, Another event that fits the bill. Event: Share prices (DJIA) drop by 19% from July to October 1957. Sa/Me period was running. In July transit L8 Saturn at 14° 37' Scorpio H5 cast a stationary aspect to L3 Mercury at 12° 06' Capricorn H7 from July to September. Please note the Saturn is the major period lord and Mercury is the sub-period lord. Hence, their energy is quite important for the overall result. However, that was not all. Transit nodes were also conjunct H4 and H10 MEPs and thus aspecting all even

numbered houses. The aspect became exact in August. The nodes then went on to become stationary over the natal nodes during the Autumn months. This is a very difficult transit. Moreover, transit L6 Jupiter was in H3 aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11. L10 Mars, L3 Mercury and L2 Sun all passed through H2 and aspect of the transit and natal nodes as well as the aspect of transit stationary L8 Saturn in Scorpio. Indeed, the transits were very dfficult during the second half of the year and it is no surprise the stock prices did not begin to recover until early 1958. This is the seventh back test of major downswings in the Dow Jones Industrial Average for stock prices that I have performed. In every event, the fit has been convincing. I am now thoroughly convinced about the ability of this chart to predict past events and will now wait for the developments in coming weeks and months to also realise the

predictions made on its basis, which should establish the chart beyond a doubt. The files showing both the natal and transit configuration as well as graphs of the stock price movements have been archived on the SAMVA web site under the Files section and SAMVA USA chart folder. Best wishes, C

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hi C Thanx. I am just trying to learn/understand this. (I am using the free Astrolog32 software. The degrees are just about the same to yours.) I looked up Dow chart on. http://finance./charts#chart11:symbol=^dji;range=19531001,19630701;indicator=volume;charttype=ohlc;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined I presume we're looking at period 16 July 1957 High 523.11 to Low 416.15 on 22 Oct 1957 I can see that the orbs are less than 5degrees transit to natal in July1957 but still wide considering the planets involved. Sorry couldn't see when the Sat/Me Dasha started. The tSa sextile nMe aspect would have been exact on 27 Nov

1956 when tSa was combust. [Dow falls for another 2 days till 29 Nov 1956 when it makes a Low at 460.41 to then rise 10% to 498.95 on Dec10, 1956]. Generally speaking which would you give more weight the Dasha or the Aspects to verify the period of effect on the market ? One of the questions (i have so many LOL) which keeps nagging me is why does the Dow fall on any particular day e.g. why the High on 16 July 1957 ? Why the Low on 22 Oct 1957 ? Please do not treat the above as criticism. They are just enquiries from a "seeker" seeking "enlightenment" LOL ciao IverCosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members, Another event that fits the bill. Event: Share prices (DJIA) drop by 19% from July to October 1957. Sa/Me period was running. In July transit L8 Saturn at 14° 37' Scorpio H5 cast a stationary aspect to L3 Mercury at 12° 06' Capricorn H7 from July to September. Please note the Saturn is the major period lord and Mercury is the sub-period lord. Hence, their energy is quite important for the overall result. However, that was not all. Transit nodes were also conjunct H4 and H10 MEPs and thus aspecting all even numbered houses. The aspect became exact in August. The nodes then went on to become stationary over the natal nodes during the Autumn months. This is a very difficult transit. Moreover, transit L6 Jupiter was in H3 aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11. L10 Mars, L3 Mercury and L2 Sun all passed through H2 and aspect of the transit and natal nodes as well as the aspect of transit stationary L8 Saturn in Scorpio. Indeed, the transits were very dfficult

during the second half of the year and it is no surprise the stock prices did not begin to recover until early 1958. This is the seventh back test of major downswings in the Dow Jones Industrial Average for stock prices that I have performed. In every event, the fit has been convincing. I am now thoroughly convinced about the ability of this chart to predict past events and will now wait for the developments in coming weeks and months to also realise the predictions made on its basis, which should establish the chart beyond a doubt. The files showing both the natal and transit configuration as well as graphs of the stock price movements have been archived on the SAMVA web site under the Files section and SAMVA USA chart folder. Best wishes, C

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January 14, 2007

Del I'm perhaps the guilty party here for this apparent fixing "17:05:00 LMT, Annapolis". Reviewing the message posts, I understand that COSMO is using 17:06 .................... In an early, private message from me to COSMO, I suspect that I left the impression that this time moment of 17:05 is in the historical record as precisely as is the one-month-later signing ceremony time moment in Philadelphia. There is no such precision in the record for Feb 2, 1781. It's really for COSMO to go ON THE RECORD, if he would, and declare the time-moment he is most comfortable with now, give the exact ASC position, and post the chart in an attachment for our benefit. P.S. I say,

including ASC position also because you and I have different software systems than the recommended one for SA technique. Example: Jorge's 15Scorpio30 chart for July 2, 1776 is marked in SAMVA for 16:48:46 hrs [LMT.Philly] Compare my StarFire program, which gives the same exact ASC, same date @ 16:48:05 THEREFORE I have this in my file: Feb 2, 1781 @ ASC 20Cap59 [whatever be the clock time on a given system] which position I have recorded as the position used by COSMO. COSMOLOGER ..... please clarify Thanks JOHNdel iver <deliver1900 wrote: would it be correct to say that 17:05 (LMT zone 5:06) = 17:11 zone 5:00 that is standard time EST ? (just trying to learn the idiosyncracies of "time") ciao iver <cosmologer > wrote: Dear list members, Another event that fits the bill. Event: Share prices (DJIA) drop by 19% from July to October 1957. Sa/Me period was running. In July transit L8 Saturn at 14° 37' Scorpio H5 cast a stationary aspect to L3 Mercury at 12°

06' Capricorn H7 from July to September. Please note the Saturn is the major period lord and Mercury is the sub-period lord. Hence, their energy is quite important for the overall result. However, that was not all. Transit nodes were also conjunct H4 and H10 MEPs and thus aspecting all even numbered houses. The aspect became exact in August. The nodes then went on to become stationary over the natal nodes during the Autumn months. This is a very difficult transit. Moreover, transit L6 Jupiter was in H3 aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11. L10 Mars, L3 Mercury and L2 Sun all passed through H2 and aspect of the transit and natal nodes as well as the aspect of transit stationary L8 Saturn in Scorpio. Indeed, the transits were very dfficult during the second half of the year and it is no surprise the stock prices did not begin to recover until early 1958. This is the seventh back test of major downswings in the

Dow Jones Industrial Average for stock prices that I have performed. In every event, the fit has been convincing. I am now thoroughly convinced about the ability of this chart to predict past events and will now wait for the developments in coming weeks and months to also realise the predictions made on its basis, which should establish the chart beyond a doubt. The files showing both the natal and transit configuration as well as graphs of the stock price movements have been archived on the SAMVA web site under the Files section and SAMVA USA chart folder. Best wishes, C We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate):

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January 14, 2007

Del StarFire renders this: ASC 20Cancer59 @ 17:04:57 [LMT, Annapolis, Feb 2, 1781] Cosmologers's program apparently renders this position as 17:06:00 Any help ??? JOHN JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote: Del I'm perhaps the guilty party here for

this apparent fixing "17:05:00 LMT, Annapolis". Reviewing the message posts, I understand that COSMO is using 17:06 .................... In an early, private message from me to COSMO, I suspect that I left the impression that this time moment of 17:05 is in the historical record as precisely as is the one-month-later signing ceremony time moment in Philadelphia. There is no such precision in the record for Feb 2, 1781. It's really for COSMO to go ON THE RECORD, if he would, and declare the time-moment he is most comfortable with now, give the exact ASC position, and post the chart in an attachment for our benefit. P.S. I say, including ASC position also because you and I have different software systems than

the recommended one for SA technique. Example: Jorge's 15Scorpio30 chart for July 2, 1776 is marked in SAMVA for 16:48:46 hrs [LMT.Philly] Compare my StarFire program, which gives the same exact ASC, same date @ 16:48:05 THEREFORE I have this in my file: Feb 2, 1781 @ ASC 20Cap59 [whatever be the clock time on a given system] which position I have recorded as the position used by COSMO. COSMOLOGER ..... please clarify Thanks JOHNdel iver <deliver1900 > wrote: would it be correct to say that 17:05 (LMT zone 5:06) =

17:11 zone 5:00 that is standard time EST ? (just trying to learn the idiosyncracies of "time") ciao iver <cosmologer > wrote: Dear list members, Another event that fits the bill. Event: Share prices (DJIA) drop by 19% from July to October 1957. Sa/Me period was running. In July transit L8 Saturn at 14° 37' Scorpio H5 cast a stationary aspect to L3 Mercury at 12° 06' Capricorn H7 from July to September. Please note the Saturn is the major period lord and Mercury is the sub-period lord. Hence, their energy is quite important for the overall result. However, that was not all. Transit nodes were also conjunct H4 and H10 MEPs and thus aspecting all even numbered houses. The aspect became exact in August. The nodes then went on to become stationary over

the natal nodes during the Autumn months. This is a very difficult transit. Moreover, transit L6 Jupiter was in H3 aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11. L10 Mars, L3 Mercury and L2 Sun all passed through H2 and aspect of the transit and natal nodes as well as the aspect of transit stationary L8 Saturn in Scorpio. Indeed, the transits were very dfficult during the second half of the year and it is no surprise the stock prices did not begin to recover until early 1958. This is the seventh back test of major downswings in the Dow Jones Industrial Average for stock prices that I have performed. In every event, the fit has been convincing. I am now thoroughly convinced about the ability of this chart to predict past events and will now wait for the developments in coming weeks and months to also realise the predictions made on its basis, which should establish the chart beyond a doubt.

The files showing both the natal and transit configuration as well as graphs of the stock price movements have been archived on the SAMVA web site under the Files section and SAMVA USA chart folder. Best wishes, C We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business.

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Dear list members,

With regard to the rising degree, I am quite comfortable with it as

presented. It is in line with earlier findings of events on SAMVA

with respect to a Cancer ascendant for the USA.

That said, it is true that some historical events have occurred with

the slow moving malefics stationary in the 9°-12° degree range.

However, in these cases the planetary positions have been linked to

the natal planets Moon at 7° Taurus, Mars at 10° Scorpio, Mercury 12°

Capricorn. Jupiter at 4° 26 Virgo is at the margin of such a range.

While it is possible the chart has such an MEP and that the event

took place around 4:00-4:15 pm, I find it less likely than the 5:05

pm time as more events have occurred with stationary planets in the

18° - 24° range, with many exactly on 21°. While it is true some of

the planets are also aspecting planets near to there such as Rahu at

18° Aries, Sun at 24° Capricorn, Venus at 24° Sagittarius and Saturn

at 27° Scorpio, the events suggest to me that the MEP degree is good

at 20° 59'.

As I have said earlier, this question is of an empirical nature. The

predictive work and monitoring of events with respect to the chart

will in time establish the exact rising degree of the SAMVA USA

chart.

Best wishes,

C

SAMVA , JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote:

>

> Del

>

> I'm perhaps the guilty party here for this apparent

fixing " 17:05:00 LMT, Annapolis " .

>

> Reviewing the message posts, I understand that COSMO is using

17:06 ....................

>

> In an early, private message from me to COSMO, I suspect that I

left the impression that this time moment of 17:05 is in the

historical record as precisely as is the one-month-later signing

ceremony time moment in Philadelphia. There is no such precision in

the record for Feb 2, 1781.

>

> It's really for COSMO to go ON THE RECORD, if he would, and

declare the time-moment he is most comfortable with now, give the

exact ASC position, and post the chart in an attachment for our

benefit.

>

> P.S.

>

> I say, including ASC position also because you and I have

different software systems than the recommended one for SA technique.

>

> Example:

>

> Jorge's 15Scorpio30 chart for July 2, 1776 is marked in SAMVA for

16:48:46 hrs [LMT.Philly]

>

> Compare my StarFire program, which gives the same exact ASC, same

date @ 16:48:05

>

> THEREFORE

>

> I have this in my file: Feb 2, 1781 @ ASC 20Cap59 [whatever be

the clock time on a given system] which position I have recorded as

the position used by COSMO.

>

> COSMOLOGER ..... please clarify

>

> Thanks

>

> JOHN

>

> del iver <deliver1900 wrote:

> would it be correct to say that 17:05 (LMT zone 5:06) =

17:11 zone 5:00 that is standard time EST ?

> (just trying to learn the idiosyncracies of " time " )

> ciao

> iver

> <cosmologer wrote:

> Dear list members,

>

> Another event that fits the bill.

>

> Event: Share prices (DJIA) drop by 19% from July to October 1957.

Sa/Me period was running. In July transit L8 Saturn at 14° 37'

Scorpio H5 cast a stationary aspect to L3 Mercury at 12° 06'

Capricorn H7 from July to September. Please note the Saturn is the

major period lord and Mercury is the sub-period lord. Hence, their

energy is quite important for the overall result. However, that was

not all. Transit nodes were also conjunct H4 and H10 MEPs and thus

aspecting all even numbered houses. The aspect became exact in

August. The nodes then went on to become stationary over the natal

nodes during the Autumn months. This is a very difficult transit.

Moreover, transit L6 Jupiter was in H3 aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26'

Taurus H11. L10 Mars, L3 Mercury and L2 Sun all passed through H2 and

aspect of the transit and natal nodes as well as the aspect of

transit stationary L8 Saturn in Scorpio. Indeed, the transits were

very dfficult during the second half of the year and it is no

> surprise the stock prices did not begin to recover until early

1958.

>

> This is the seventh back test of major downswings in the Dow

Jones Industrial Average for stock prices that I have performed. In

every event, the fit has been convincing. I am now thoroughly

convinced about the ability of this chart to predict past events and

will now wait for the developments in coming weeks and months to also

realise the predictions made on its basis, which should establish the

chart beyond a doubt.

>

> The files showing both the natal and transit configuration as

well as graphs of the stock price movements have been archived on the

SAMVA web site under the Files section and SAMVA USA chart folder.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> C

>

> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

>

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>

January 14, 2007

Dear John,

When you sent me the information about this event on Dec 30, 2006 you

had identified the time giving 21° Cancer rising due the emphasis

placed on that degree in our work on SAMVA. I calculated the chart

based on the information sent to me in Jyotish Tools using LMT 5:00.

Later I re-calculated the chart with the actual LMT 5:06. Then I

obtained 20° 59' using the 5:05 pm time. This is quite satisfactory

to me and I think the focus on even more accuracy of detail is

perhaps not warranted at this stage.

Best wishes,

C

SAMVA , JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote:

>

> Del

>

> StarFire renders this: ASC 20Cancer59 @ 17:04:57 [LMT, Annapolis,

Feb 2, 1781]

>

> Cosmologers's program apparently renders this position as 17:06:00

>

> Any help ???

>

> JOHN

>

> JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote: