Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San Francisco earthquake

January 16, 2007

Dear C,

Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is quite

amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have authenticated

that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to either chart,

but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the April 18,

1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

The full account is given here

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php and it

begins as follows:

" This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated 3,000

deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco resulting

only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the city, it

was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking in San

Francisco was about 1 minute. "

The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the event

clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

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The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

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Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8 closely

afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal Ra. Rahu is

in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts natal LO10

Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4 and LO1

are clear, no explanation required.

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The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

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LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any house. Tr

Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by natal Ra from

H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related to this

significant event.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812 Earthquakes

Dear Vyas,

Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA

chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined. More

importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the properties of

this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,

I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic chart

for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake

in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this

chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the

authentic chart for the USA.

Best wishes,

C

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear List,

>

> I forgot to include the subject of this email.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776

> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>

> Dear List,

>

> Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

have started

> to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the account

of the

> New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812. A

> shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

1812.php#december_16

> which begins the account as follows:

> " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

kilometers), the

> widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),

and the

> complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River

valley

> earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United

States

> since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

associated

> with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the

1964 Alaska

> earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco

> earthquake. "

>

> It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the rest

of it.

> What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the

Rectified

> charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their worst.

The

> charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was

the most

> destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own

> conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out

is the

> SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

justify - it

> jumps out at you.

>

> If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will

post the

> charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic

> relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

given on

> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and post.

>

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********************************************

> The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>

> Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo). Sub

period

> of Ve.

> LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts

their

> natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and na

Ra

> afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

afflicts LO8

> Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

>

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********************************************

> The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>

> Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

period of

> Mars.

> Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB Mo,

Me are

> close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or

any

> planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

inconsequential. Ju is

> the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in

H8. This

> Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

unafflicting.

> This chart does not show the earthquakes.

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>

> Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo). Sub

period

> of Venus

> Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.

LO4 Ve in

> H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit

axis

> positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

close to all

> even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

placed. This

> chart shows the disruption very well.

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>

> Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

period of

> Mars.

> The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

placed in H2

> under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by placement

in H8.

> Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4

somewhat.

> Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does

show

> tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn chart.

If Sa

> were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

>

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********************************************

> The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>

> Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo). Sub

period

> of Venus

> The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

exactly

> afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses

closely.

> From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

entering old

> age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the

4th shock

> hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event is

properly

> justified in this chart.

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>

**********************************************************************

********************************************

> 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>

> Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

period of

> Mars.

> The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

exactly

> afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the

negative

> impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which afflicts

H8 where

> Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

placed in H2.

> The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart shows

> challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or

dire to H4

> or H1.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

January 16, 2007

Dear Jorge,

I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the rectified chart.

Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In my

opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events concerning

4H; here it is certainly not dire.

The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA per my

understanding.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM

RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

Dear C.

Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the chart " .

Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for the same

chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air accidents, for

example.

Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in dasha).

Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we consider that

it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical mean of

natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its house of

placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit

Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1. Transit

Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.

Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in H6, in

exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis plus the

transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to this

value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit Jupiter, L12

in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 and

D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.

I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.

Best wishes,

Jorge

SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of

cosmologer

terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

SAMVA

Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

Dear Vyas,

Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If the

recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) but

took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the

national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in

the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this

sense.

For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to look

at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major

impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret

the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate

predictions.

Best wishes,

C

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear C,

>

> Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

quite

> amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

authenticated

> that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

either chart,

> but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>

> I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the

April 18,

> 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

> The full account is given here

> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

and it

> begins as follows:

>

> " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

> California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated

3,000

> deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco

resulting

> only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the

city, it

> was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking

in San

> Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>

> The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

event

> clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>

> San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

> *******************************************************************

> The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> *******************************************************************

> Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

closely

> afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

Ra. Rahu is

> in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts

natal LO10

> Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4

and LO1

> are clear, no explanation required.

>

> *******************************************************************

> The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> *******************************************************************

> LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

house. Tr

> Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

natal Ra from

> H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related

to this

> significant event.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

Earthquakes

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA

> chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.

More

> importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the properties

of

> this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

> factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,

> I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

chart

> for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake

> in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this

> chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the

> authentic chart for the USA.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> C

> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

> > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

> have started

> > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

account

> of the

> > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.

A

> > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

> 1812.php#december_16

> > which begins the account as follows:

> > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

> kilometers), the

> > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),

> and the

> > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River

> valley

> > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United

> States

> > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

> associated

> > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the

> 1964 Alaska

> > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco

> > earthquake. "

> >

> > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the

rest

> of it.

> > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the

> Rectified

> > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

worst.

> The

> > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was

> the most

> > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own

> > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out

> is the

> > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

> justify - it

> > jumps out at you.

> >

> > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will

> post the

> > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic

> > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

> given on

> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

post.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Ve.

> > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts

> their

> > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and

na

> Ra

> > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

> afflicts LO8

> > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

Mo,

> Me are

> > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or

> any

> > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

> inconsequential. Ju is

> > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in

> H8. This

> > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

> unafflicting.

> > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Venus

> > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.

> LO4 Ve in

> > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit

> axis

> > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

> close to all

> > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

> placed. This

> > chart shows the disruption very well.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

> placed in H2

> > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

placement

> in H8.

> > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4

> somewhat.

> > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does

> show

> > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

chart.

> If Sa

> > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Venus

> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

> exactly

> > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses

> closely.

> > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

> entering old

> > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the

> 4th shock

> > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event

is

> properly

> > justified in this chart.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

> exactly

> > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the

> negative

> > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

afflicts

> H8 where

> > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

> placed in H2.

> > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart

shows

> > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or

> dire to H4

> > or H1.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

>

January 16, 2007

Dear Vyas,

you are right in your understanding.

Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght in rashi, and it is afflicted in TTT.

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Jorge,I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the rectified chart.Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In my

opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events concerning4H; here it is certainly not dire.The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA per myunderstanding.

Best regards,Vyas Munidas- " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino<

SAMVA >Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PMRE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 SanFrancisco earthquakeDear C.Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the chart " .

Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for the samechart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air accidents, forexample.Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in dasha).Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we consider thatit falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical mean of

natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its house ofplacement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. TransitRahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1. Transit

Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in H6, inexact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis plus the

transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to thisvalue, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit Jupiter, L12in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 and

D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.Best wishes,Jorge

SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf OfcosmologerterÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

SAMVA Subject: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 SanFrancisco earthquakeDear Vyas,Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If therecorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) buttook place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the

national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely inthe chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impactsevere on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in thissense.For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to lookat a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major

impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpretthe events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accuratepredictions.Best wishes,C

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:>> Dear C,>> Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

quite> amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you haveauthenticated> that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached toeither chart,> but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>> I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA theApril 18,> 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.> The full account is given here>

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.phpand it> begins as follows:>> " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of> California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated

3,000> deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Franciscoresulting> only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside thecity, it> was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking

in San> Francisco was about 1 minute. " >> The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows theevent> clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.>

>> San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8> *******************************************************************> The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> *******************************************************************> Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8closely> afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

Ra. Rahu is> in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflictsnatal LO10> Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4and LO1> are clear, no explanation required.

>>> *******************************************************************> The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " > *******************************************************************

> LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict anyhouse. Tr> Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted bynatal Ra from> H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related

to this> significant event.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>>> -> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

Earthquakes>>> Dear Vyas,>> Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA> chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.

More> importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the propertiesof> this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what> factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,

> I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authenticchart> for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake> in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this

> chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the> authentic chart for the USA.>> Best wishes,>> C>

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:> >> > Dear List,> >> > I forgot to include the subject of this email.> >

> >> > Best regards,> >> > Vyas Munidas> >> >> > -> > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

> > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM> >

> >> >> > Dear List,> >> > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I> have started> > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

account> of the> > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.A> > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:> >

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-> 1812.php#december_16> > which begins the account as follows:> > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

> kilometers), the> > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),> and the> > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River

> valley> > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United> States> > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking> associated

> > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the> 1964 Alaska> > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco> > earthquake. "

> >> > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read therest> of it.> > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the> Rectified

> > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at theirworst.> The> > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was> the most> > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own

> > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out> is the> > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to> justify - it> > jumps out at you.

> >> > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will> post the> > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic> > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

> given on> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php andpost.> >> >

> >> >>**********************************************************************> ********************************************> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >>**********************************************************************> ********************************************> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1> >> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).Sub> period> > of Ve.

> > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts> their> > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr andna> Ra> > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

> afflicts LO8> > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.> >> >>**********************************************************************

> ********************************************> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " > >>**********************************************************************

> ********************************************> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub> period of> > Mars.> > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

Mo,> Me are> > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or> any> > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but> inconsequential. Ju is

> > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in> H8. This> > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and> unafflicting.> > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

> >> >> >> >> >> >>**********************************************************************> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " > >>**********************************************************************> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8> >> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).Sub> period> > of Venus

> > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.> LO4 Ve in> > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit> axis> > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

> close to all> > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly> placed. This> > chart shows the disruption very well.> >> >

>**********************************************************************> ********************************************> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >>**********************************************************************> ********************************************> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub> period of> > Mars.> > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

> placed in H2> > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak byplacement> in H8.> > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4

> somewhat.> > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does> show> > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cnchart.

> If Sa> > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.> >> >> >> >> >> >>**********************************************************************

> ********************************************> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " > >>**********************************************************************

> ********************************************> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8> >> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub> period> > of Venus> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis> exactly> > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses

> closely.> > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8> entering old> > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the> 4th shock

> > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The eventis> properly> > justified in this chart.> >> >>**********************************************************************

> ********************************************> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " > >>**********************************************************************

> ********************************************> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8> >> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of> > Mars.> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis> exactly> > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the

> negative> > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, whichafflicts> H8 where> > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

> placed in H2.> > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chartshows> > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or> dire to H4

> > or H1.> >> >> >> >> >> > Best regards,> >> > Vyas Munidas> >>

January 16, 2007

Dear Jorge,

Thank you for your email.

Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of 11H

containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said, natal

LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming

significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa 60%. These

transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance. Taken

with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction with 3000

fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong about the

liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for our dear

Professor or Cosmologer.

In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact all odd

houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point about a

planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other planets

in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs the open

question.

I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are testing.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM

Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

> Dear Vyas,

>

> you are right in your understanding.

>

> Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght in

> rashi,

> and it is afflicted in TTT.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

> On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Jorge,

>>

>> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the rectified

>> chart.

>> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In my

>> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events

>> concerning

>> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.

>>

>> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA per my

>> understanding.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Vyas Munidas

>>

>> -

>> " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> <SAMVA >

>> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM

>> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> Francisco earthquake

>>

>> Dear C.

>>

>> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the chart " .

>>

>> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for the

>> same

>> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air accidents,

>> for

>> example.

>>

>> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

>>

>> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in dasha).

>> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we consider

>> that

>> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical mean of

>> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its house

>> of

>> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit

>> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1. Transit

>> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.

>>

>> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in H6, in

>> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis plus the

>> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to this

>> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit Jupiter,

>> L12

>> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 and

>> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.

>>

>> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>>

>> Jorge

>>

>> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of

>> cosmologer

>> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

>> SAMVA

>> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> Francisco earthquake

>>

>> Dear Vyas,

>>

>> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

>>

>> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If the

>>

>> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) but

>>

>> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the

>>

>> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in

>>

>> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

>>

>> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

>>

>> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this

>>

>> sense.

>>

>> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to look

>>

>> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major

>>

>> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret

>>

>> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate

>>

>> predictions.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>>

>> C

>>

>> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>>

>> >

>>

>> > Dear C,

>>

>> >

>>

>> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

>>

>> quite

>>

>> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

>>

>> authenticated

>>

>> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

>>

>> either chart,

>>

>> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>>

>> >

>>

>> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the

>>

>> April 18,

>>

>> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

>>

>> > The full account is given here

>>

>> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

>>

>> and it

>>

>> > begins as follows:

>>

>> >

>>

>> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

>>

>> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated

>>

>> 3,000

>>

>> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco

>>

>> resulting

>>

>> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the

>>

>> city, it

>>

>> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking

>>

>> in San

>>

>> > Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>>

>> >

>>

>> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

>>

>> event

>>

>> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>>

>> >

>>

>> >

>>

>> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

>>

>> > *******************************************************************

>>

>> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>>

>> > *******************************************************************

>>

>> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

>>

>> closely

>>

>> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

>>

>> Ra. Rahu is

>>

>> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts

>>

>> natal LO10

>>

>> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4

>>

>> and LO1

>>

>> > are clear, no explanation required.

>>

>> >

>>

>> >

>>

>> > *******************************************************************

>>

>> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>

>> > *******************************************************************

>>

>> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

>>

>> house. Tr

>>

>> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

>>

>> natal Ra from

>>

>> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related

>>

>> to this

>>

>> > significant event.

>>

>> >

>>

>> >

>>

>> > Best regards,

>>

>> >

>>

>> > Vyas Munidas

>>

>> >

>>

>> >

>>

>> > -

>>

>> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

>>

>> > <SAMVA >

>>

>> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

>>

>> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

>>

>> Earthquakes

>>

>> >

>>

>> >

>>

>> > Dear Vyas,

>>

>> >

>>

>> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA

>>

>> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.

>>

>> More

>>

>> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the properties

>>

>> of

>>

>> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

>>

>> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,

>>

>> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

>>

>> chart

>>

>> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake

>>

>> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this

>>

>> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the

>>

>> > authentic chart for the USA.

>>

>> >

>>

>> > Best wishes,

>>

>> >

>>

>> > C

>>

>> > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Dear List,

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Best regards,

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Vyas Munidas

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > -

>>

>> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

>>

>> > > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

>>

>> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Dear List,

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

>>

>> > have started

>>

>> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

>>

>> account

>>

>> > of the

>>

>> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.

>>

>> A

>>

>> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

>>

>> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

>>

>> > 1812.php#december_16

>>

>> > > which begins the account as follows:

>>

>> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>>

>> > kilometers), the

>>

>> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),

>>

>> > and the

>>

>> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River

>>

>> > valley

>>

>> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United

>>

>> > States

>>

>> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

>>

>> > associated

>>

>> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the

>>

>> > 1964 Alaska

>>

>> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco

>>

>> > > earthquake. "

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the

>>

>> rest

>>

>> > of it.

>>

>> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the

>>

>> > Rectified

>>

>> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

>>

>> worst.

>>

>> > The

>>

>> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was

>>

>> > the most

>>

>> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own

>>

>> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out

>>

>> > is the

>>

>> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

>>

>> > justify - it

>>

>> > > jumps out at you.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will

>>

>> > post the

>>

>> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic

>>

>> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

>>

>> > given on

>>

>> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

>>

>> post.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>>

>> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>>

>> Sub

>>

>> > period

>>

>> > > of Ve.

>>

>> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts

>>

>> > their

>>

>> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and

>>

>> na

>>

>> > Ra

>>

>> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

>>

>> > afflicts LO8

>>

>> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>>

>> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>>

>> > period of

>>

>> > > Mars.

>>

>> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

>>

>> Mo,

>>

>> > Me are

>>

>> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or

>>

>> > any

>>

>> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

>>

>> > inconsequential. Ju is

>>

>> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in

>>

>> > H8. This

>>

>> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

>>

>> > unafflicting.

>>

>> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>>

>> Sub

>>

>> > period

>>

>> > > of Venus

>>

>> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.

>>

>> > LO4 Ve in

>>

>> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit

>>

>> > axis

>>

>> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

>>

>> > close to all

>>

>> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

>>

>> > placed. This

>>

>> > > chart shows the disruption very well.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>>

>> > period of

>>

>> > > Mars.

>>

>> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

>>

>> > placed in H2

>>

>> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

>>

>> placement

>>

>> > in H8.

>>

>> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4

>>

>> > somewhat.

>>

>> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does

>>

>> > show

>>

>> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

>>

>> chart.

>>

>> > If Sa

>>

>> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>>

>> Sub

>>

>> > period

>>

>> > > of Venus

>>

>> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

>>

>> > exactly

>>

>> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses

>>

>> > closely.

>>

>> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

>>

>> > entering old

>>

>> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the

>>

>> > 4th shock

>>

>> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event

>>

>> is

>>

>> > properly

>>

>> > > justified in this chart.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>> **********************************************************************

>>

>> > ********************************************

>>

>> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>>

>> > period of

>>

>> > > Mars.

>>

>> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

>>

>> > exactly

>>

>> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the

>>

>> > negative

>>

>> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

>>

>> afflicts

>>

>> > H8 where

>>

>> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

>>

>> > placed in H2.

>>

>> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart

>>

>> shows

>>

>> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or

>>

>> > dire to H4

>>

>> > > or H1.

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Best regards,

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > > Vyas Munidas

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

January 16, 2007

Dear Vyas,

you are right.

All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer twice due to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of placement simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also placed in afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in H8, but the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT house, which saves the USA status.

This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4, creates a generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good adviser for their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the nations may be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in H3, dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are still very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11, dispositor of Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a spiritual reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).

Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them permanently.

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Jorge,Thank you for your email.Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of 11H

containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said, natalLO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harmingsignifications of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa 60%. These

transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance. Takenwith strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction with 3000fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong about the

liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for our dearProfessor or Cosmologer.In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact all oddhouses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point about a

planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other planetsin this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs the openquestion.I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are testing.

Best regards,Vyas Munidas- " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino<

SAMVA >Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PMRe: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 SanFrancisco earthquake> Dear Vyas,>> you are right in your understanding.

>> Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght in> rashi,> and it is afflicted in TTT.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>>>

> On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:>>>> Dear Jorge,>>>> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the rectified

>> chart.>> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In my>> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events>> concerning>> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.

>>>> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA per my>> understanding.>>>>>> Best regards,>>>> Vyas Munidas>>

>>>> ->> " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino>> <

SAMVA >>> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM>> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San>> Francisco earthquake>>>>

>> Dear C.>>>>>>>> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the chart " .>>>>>>>> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for the

>> same>> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air accidents,>> for>> example.>>>>>>>> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

>>>>>>>> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in dasha).>> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we consider>> that

>> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical mean of>> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its house>> of>> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit

>> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1. Transit>> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in H6, in>> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis plus the>> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to this

>> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit Jupiter,>> L12>> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 and>> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.

>>>>>>>>>>>> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.>>>>>>>> Best wishes,>>>>

>>>> Jorge>>>>>>>> >> SAMVA [

SAMVA ] On Behalf Of>> cosmologer>> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18>> SAMVA >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> Francisco earthquake>>>>>>>> Dear Vyas,>>>>>>>> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.>>>>

>>>> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If the>>>> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) but>>>> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the

>>>> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in>>>> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact>>>> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

>>>> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this>>>> sense.>>>>>>>> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to look

>>>> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major>>>> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret>>>> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate

>>>> predictions.>>>>>>>> Best wishes,>>>>>>>> C>>>>>>>>

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:>>>> >>>>> > Dear C,>>>> >>>>> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

>>>> quite>>>> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have>>>> authenticated>>>> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

>>>> either chart,>>>> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.>>>> >>>>> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the

>>>> April 18,>>>> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.>>>> > The full account is given here>>>> >

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php>>>> and it>>>> > begins as follows:>>>> >>>>> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

>>>> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated>>>> 3,000>>>> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco

>>>> resulting>>>> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the>>>> city, it>>>> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking

>>>> in San>>>> > Francisco was about 1 minute. " >>>> >>>>> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

>>>> event>>>> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8>>>> > *******************************************************************>>>> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " >>

>> > *******************************************************************>>>> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8>>>> closely>>>> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

>>>> Ra. Rahu is>>>> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts>>>> natal LO10>>>> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4

>>>> and LO1>>>> > are clear, no explanation required.>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > *******************************************************************

>>>> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " >>>> > *******************************************************************>>>> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

>>>> house. Tr>>>> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by>>>> natal Ra from>>>> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related

>>>> to this>>>> > significant event.>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Best regards,>>>> >>>

>> > Vyas Munidas>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ->>>> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

>>>> > <SAMVA >>>>> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM>>>> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

>>>> Earthquakes>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Dear Vyas,>>>> >>>>> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA

>>>> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.>>>> More>>>> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the properties

>>>> of>>>> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what>>>> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,>>

>> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic>>>> chart>>>> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake>>

>> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this>>>> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the>>>> > authentic chart for the USA.

>>>> >>>>> > Best wishes,>>>> >>>>> > C>>>> > SAMVA

, " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:>>>> > >>>>> > > Dear List,>>>> > >>>>> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > Best regards,>>>> > >>>>> > > Vyas Munidas>>>> > >

>>>> > >>>>> > > ->>>> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>>>>> > > <

SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>>>>> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM>>>> > >

>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > Dear List,>>>> > >>>>> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

>>>> > have started>>>> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the>>>> account>>>> > of the>>>> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.

>>>> A>>>> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:>>>> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

>>>> > 1812.php#december_16>>>> > > which begins the account as follows:>>>> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>>>> > kilometers), the>>>> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),>>>> > and the>>>> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River

>>>> > valley>>>> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United>>>> > States>>>> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

>>>> > associated>>>> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the>>>> > 1964 Alaska>>>> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco

>>>> > > earthquake. " >>>> > >>>>> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the>>>> rest>>

>> > of it.>>>> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the>>>> > Rectified>>>> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

>>>> worst.>>>> > The>>>> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was>>>> > the most>>>> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own

>>>> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out>>>> > is the>>>> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

>>>> > justify - it>>>> > > jumps out at you.>>>> > >>>>> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will

>>>> > post the>>>> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic>>>> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

>>>> > given on>>>> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and>>

>> post.>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " >>>> > >

>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>>>> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>>>> > >>>>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>>>> Sub>>>> > period>>>> > > of Ve.>>>> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts>>

>> > their>>>> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and>>>> na>>>> > Ra>>>> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

>>>> > afflicts LO8>>>> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

>> >>>>> **********************************************************************>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************>>>> > ********************************************

>>>> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>>>> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>>>> > >

>>>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>>>> > period of>>>> > > Mars.>>>> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

>>>> Mo,>>>> > Me are>>>> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or>>>> > any>>>> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

>>>> > inconsequential. Ju is>>>> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in>>>> > H8. This>>>> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

>>>> > unafflicting.>>>> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >

>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " >>>> > >

>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>>>> > >>>>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).>>>> Sub>>>> > period>>>> > > of Venus

>>>> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.>>>> > LO4 Ve in>>>> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit

>>>> > axis>>>> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are>>>> > close to all>>>> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

>>>> > placed. This>>>> > > chart shows the disruption very well.>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>

>> **********************************************************************>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************>>>> > ********************************************

>>>> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8>>>> > >>>>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>>>> > period of>>>> > > Mars.>>>> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is>>>> > placed in H2

>>>> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by>>>> placement>>>> > in H8.>>>> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4

>>>> > somewhat.>>>> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does>>>> > show>>>> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

>>>> chart.>>>> > If Sa>>>> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.>>>> > >>>>> > >

>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " >>>> > >

>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>>>> > >>>>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).>>>> Sub>>>> > period>>>> > > of Venus

>>>> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis>>>> > exactly>>>> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses

>>>> > closely.>>>> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8>>>> > entering old>>>> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the

>>>> > 4th shock>>>> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event>>>> is>>>> > properly>>>> > > justified in this chart.

>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************>>>> > ********************************************

>>>> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " >>>> > >>>>> >>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> > ********************************************>>>> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8>>>> > >>>

>> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>>>> > period of>>>> > > Mars.>>>> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

>>>> > exactly>>>> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the>>>> > negative>>>> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

>>>> afflicts>>>> > H8 where>>>> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is>>>> > placed in H2.>>

>> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart>>>> shows>>>> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or>>

>> > dire to H4>>>> > > or H1.>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

>> > >>>>> > > Best regards,>>>> > >>>>> > > Vyas Munidas>>>> > >>>>> >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

January 17, 2007

Dear Jorge,

If we assume for a moment that this is infact the USA natal chart, we must

also consider the two fold requirement of astral remedy, viz propitiation

and strengthening. I think it's agreeable that the USA is the wealthiest

nation, the world leader, the country where practically any material dream

can happen regardless of background etc etc.

Propitiation via whatever effective method for countries have been discussed

here and some is done, but what about the strengthening? Without

strengthening, weak planets cannot show extraordinary results. I imagine

that FB gems/yantras would have to be kept in appropriate governement

buildings and key officials would have to have strong planets or do astral

remedies themselves.

In this case, the event may be well rectified, but it may not be the

defining moment of the birth of a nation. Compare to a woman who gets a

divorce and married again a few years later. The divorce does not define the

start of her second marriage, but it may explicitly define a new chapter in

her life.

Just my humble two cents Jorge, I hope it's well received. I have lots of

respect for your work and ability.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:35 AM

Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

> Dear Vyas,

>

> you are right.

>

> All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer twice

> due

> to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of placement

> simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also placed in

> afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in H8, but

> the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT house, which saves the

> USA

> status.

>

> This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4, creates a

> generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good adviser

> for

> their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the nations

> may

> be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in H3,

> dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are still

> very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11, dispositor

> of

> Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a spiritual

> reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).

>

> Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them permanently.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

> On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Jorge,

>>

>> Thank you for your email.

>>

>> Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of 11H

>> containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said, natal

>> LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming

>> significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa 60%.

>> These

>> transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance. Taken

>> with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction with

>> 3000

>> fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong about

>> the

>> liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for our

>> dear

>> Professor or Cosmologer.

>>

>> In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact all

>> odd

>> houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point about

>> a

>> planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other

>> planets

>> in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs the

>> open

>> question.

>>

>> I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are testing.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Vyas Munidas

>>

>> -

>> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> <SAMVA >

>> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM

>> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> Francisco earthquake

>>

>> > Dear Vyas,

>> >

>> > you are right in your understanding.

>> >

>> > Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght in

>> > rashi,

>> > and it is afflicted in TTT.

>> >

>> > Best wishes,

>> >

>> > Jorge

>> >

>> > On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Dear Jorge,

>> >>

>> >> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the rectified

>> >> chart.

>> >> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In my

>> >> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events

>> >> concerning

>> >> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.

>> >>

>> >> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA per

>> my

>> >> understanding.

>> >>

>> >> Best regards,

>> >>

>> >> Vyas Munidas

>> >>

>> >> -

>> >> " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> >> <SAMVA >

>> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM

>> >> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>> San

>> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >>

>> >> Dear C.

>> >>

>> >> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the

>> chart " .

>> >>

>> >> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for the

>> >> same

>> >> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air

>> >> accidents,

>> >> for

>> >> example.

>> >>

>> >> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

>> >>

>> >> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in dasha).

>> >> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we consider

>> >> that

>> >> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical mean

>> of

>> >> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its

>> >> house

>> >> of

>> >> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit

>> >> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1.

>> >> Transit

>> >> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.

>> >>

>> >> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in H6,

>> in

>> >> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis plus

>> the

>> >> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to this

>> >> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit Jupiter,

>> >> L12

>> >> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11

>> >> and

>> >> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.

>> >>

>> >> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.

>> >>

>> >> Best wishes,

>> >>

>> >> Jorge

>> >>

>> >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf

>> >> Of

>> >> cosmologer

>> >> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

>> >> SAMVA

>> >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >>

>> >> Dear Vyas,

>> >>

>> >> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

>> >>

>> >> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If the

>> >>

>> >> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) but

>> >>

>> >> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the

>> >>

>> >> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in

>> >>

>> >> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

>> >>

>> >> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

>> >>

>> >> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this

>> >>

>> >> sense.

>> >>

>> >> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to look

>> >>

>> >> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major

>> >>

>> >> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret

>> >>

>> >> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate

>> >>

>> >> predictions.

>> >>

>> >> Best wishes,

>> >>

>> >> C

>> >>

>> >> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > Dear C,

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

>> >>

>> >> quite

>> >>

>> >> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

>> >>

>> >> authenticated

>> >>

>> >> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

>> >>

>> >> either chart,

>> >>

>> >> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the

>> >>

>> >> April 18,

>> >>

>> >> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

>> >>

>> >> > The full account is given here

>> >>

>> >> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

>> >>

>> >> and it

>> >>

>> >> > begins as follows:

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

>> >>

>> >> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated

>> >>

>> >> 3,000

>> >>

>> >> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco

>> >>

>> >> resulting

>> >>

>> >> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the

>> >>

>> >> city, it

>> >>

>> >> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking

>> >>

>> >> in San

>> >>

>> >> > Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

>> >>

>> >> event

>> >>

>> >> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

>> >>

>> >> > *******************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>> >>

>> >> > *******************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

>> >>

>> >> closely

>> >>

>> >> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

>> >>

>> >> Ra. Rahu is

>> >>

>> >> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts

>> >>

>> >> natal LO10

>> >>

>> >> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4

>> >>

>> >> and LO1

>> >>

>> >> > are clear, no explanation required.

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > *******************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >>

>> >> > *******************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

>> >>

>> >> house. Tr

>> >>

>> >> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

>> >>

>> >> natal Ra from

>> >>

>> >> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related

>> >>

>> >> to this

>> >>

>> >> > significant event.

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > Best regards,

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > Vyas Munidas

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > -

>> >>

>> >> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

>> >>

>> >> > <SAMVA >

>> >>

>> >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

>> >>

>> >> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

>> >>

>> >> Earthquakes

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > Dear Vyas,

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA

>> >>

>> >> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.

>> >>

>> >> More

>> >>

>> >> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the properties

>> >>

>> >> of

>> >>

>> >> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

>> >>

>> >> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,

>> >>

>> >> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

>> >>

>> >> chart

>> >>

>> >> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake

>> >>

>> >> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this

>> >>

>> >> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the

>> >>

>> >> > authentic chart for the USA.

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > Best wishes,

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> > C

>> >>

>> >> > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Dear List,

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Best regards,

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > -

>> >>

>> >> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

>> >>

>> >> > > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

>> >>

>> >> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Dear List,

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

>> >>

>> >> > have started

>> >>

>> >> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

>> >>

>> >> account

>> >>

>> >> > of the

>> >>

>> >> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.

>> >>

>> >> A

>> >>

>> >> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

>> >>

>> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

>> >>

>> >> > 1812.php#december_16

>> >>

>> >> > > which begins the account as follows:

>> >>

>> >> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>> >>

>> >> > kilometers), the

>> >>

>> >> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),

>> >>

>> >> > and the

>> >>

>> >> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River

>> >>

>> >> > valley

>> >>

>> >> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United

>> >>

>> >> > States

>> >>

>> >> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

>> >>

>> >> > associated

>> >>

>> >> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the

>> >>

>> >> > 1964 Alaska

>> >>

>> >> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco

>> >>

>> >> > > earthquake. "

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the

>> >>

>> >> rest

>> >>

>> >> > of it.

>> >>

>> >> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the

>> >>

>> >> > Rectified

>> >>

>> >> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

>> >>

>> >> worst.

>> >>

>> >> > The

>> >>

>> >> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was

>> >>

>> >> > the most

>> >>

>> >> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own

>> >>

>> >> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out

>> >>

>> >> > is the

>> >>

>> >> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

>> >>

>> >> > justify - it

>> >>

>> >> > > jumps out at you.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will

>> >>

>> >> > post the

>> >>

>> >> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic

>> >>

>> >> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

>> >>

>> >> > given on

>> >>

>> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

>> >>

>> >> post.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >>

>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>> >>

>> >> Sub

>> >>

>> >> > period

>> >>

>> >> > > of Ve.

>> >>

>> >> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts

>> >>

>> >> > their

>> >>

>> >> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and

>> >>

>> >> na

>> >>

>> >> > Ra

>> >>

>> >> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

>> >>

>> >> > afflicts LO8

>> >>

>> >> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >>

>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>> >>

>> >> > period of

>> >>

>> >> > > Mars.

>> >>

>> >> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

>> >>

>> >> Mo,

>> >>

>> >> > Me are

>> >>

>> >> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or

>> >>

>> >> > any

>> >>

>> >> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

>> >>

>> >> > inconsequential. Ju is

>> >>

>> >> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in

>> >>

>> >> > H8. This

>> >>

>> >> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

>> >>

>> >> > unafflicting.

>> >>

>> >> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>> >>

>> >> Sub

>> >>

>> >> > period

>> >>

>> >> > > of Venus

>> >>

>> >> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.

>> >>

>> >> > LO4 Ve in

>> >>

>> >> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit

>> >>

>> >> > axis

>> >>

>> >> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

>> >>

>> >> > close to all

>> >>

>> >> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

>> >>

>> >> > placed. This

>> >>

>> >> > > chart shows the disruption very well.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>> >>

>> >> > period of

>> >>

>> >> > > Mars.

>> >>

>> >> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

>> >>

>> >> > placed in H2

>> >>

>> >> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

>> >>

>> >> placement

>> >>

>> >> > in H8.

>> >>

>> >> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4

>> >>

>> >> > somewhat.

>> >>

>> >> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does

>> >>

>> >> > show

>> >>

>> >> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

>> >>

>> >> chart.

>> >>

>> >> > If Sa

>> >>

>> >> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>> >>

>> >> Sub

>> >>

>> >> > period

>> >>

>> >> > > of Venus

>> >>

>> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

>> >>

>> >> > exactly

>> >>

>> >> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses

>> >>

>> >> > closely.

>> >>

>> >> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

>> >>

>> >> > entering old

>> >>

>> >> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the

>> >>

>> >> > 4th shock

>> >>

>> >> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event

>> >>

>> >> is

>> >>

>> >> > properly

>> >>

>> >> > > justified in this chart.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>

>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>

>> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>> >>

>> >> > period of

>> >>

>> >> > > Mars.

>> >>

>> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

>> >>

>> >> > exactly

>> >>

>> >> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the

>> >>

>> >> > negative

>> >>

>> >> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

>> >>

>> >> afflicts

>> >>

>> >> > H8 where

>> >>

>> >> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

>> >>

>> >> > placed in H2.

>> >>

>> >> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart

>> >>

>> >> shows

>> >>

>> >> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or

>> >>

>> >> > dire to H4

>> >>

>> >> > > or H1.

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Best regards,

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

January 17, 2007

My dear Vyas,

Thanks for your kind words.

Your ideas are always a precious contribution to this list and are welcome.

Status and wealth are there as Jupiter is exactly aspecting H2 (wealth), its own MT, from H8 (easy gains and death). Regarding the leading role, I am not so sure. See how this war in Iraq came without the approval of the UN. A leader leads, motivates, does not behave alone.

And in July 2 1776, they were not just separating from the English. They were taking on their shoulders the destiny of a new nation.

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Jorge,If we assume for a moment that this is infact the USA natal chart, we mustalso consider the two fold requirement of astral remedy, viz propitiation

and strengthening. I think it's agreeable that the USA is the wealthiestnation, the world leader, the country where practically any material dreamcan happen regardless of background etc etc.Propitiation via whatever effective method for countries have been discussed

here and some is done, but what about the strengthening? Withoutstrengthening, weak planets cannot show extraordinary results. I imaginethat FB gems/yantras would have to be kept in appropriate governement

buildings and key officials would have to have strong planets or do astralremedies themselves.In this case, the event may be well rectified, but it may not be thedefining moment of the birth of a nation. Compare to a woman who gets a

divorce and married again a few years later. The divorce does not define thestart of her second marriage, but it may explicitly define a new chapter inher life.Just my humble two cents Jorge, I hope it's well received. I have lots of

respect for your work and ability.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

><SAMVA >Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:35 AMRe: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 SanFrancisco earthquake

> Dear Vyas,>> you are right.>> All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer twice> due> to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of placement

> simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also placed in> afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in H8, but> the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT house, which saves the

> USA> status.>> This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4, creates a> generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good adviser> for> their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the nations

> may> be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in H3,> dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are still> very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11, dispositor

> of> Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a spiritual> reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).>> Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them permanently.

>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:>>>> Dear Jorge,>>

>> Thank you for your email.>>>> Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of 11H>> containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said, natal

>> LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming>> significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa 60%.>> These>> transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance. Taken

>> with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction with>> 3000>> fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong about>> the>> liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for our

>> dear>> Professor or Cosmologer.>>>> In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact all>> odd>> houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point about

>> a>> planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other>> planets>> in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs the>> open>> question.

>>>> I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are testing.>>>>>> Best regards,>>>> Vyas Munidas>>>>>> -

>> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino>> <SAMVA >>> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM

>> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San>> Francisco earthquake>>>>>> > Dear Vyas,>> >>> > you are right in your understanding.

>> >>> > Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght in>> > rashi,>> > and it is afflicted in TTT.>> >>> > Best wishes,

>> >>> > Jorge>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>> >>>> >> Dear Jorge,>> >>>> >> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the rectified>> >> chart.>> >> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In my

>> >> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events>> >> concerning>> >> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.>> >>>> >> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA per

>> my>> >> understanding.>> >>>> >>>> >> Best regards,>> >>>> >> Vyas Munidas>> >>>> >>

>> >> ->> >> " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino>> >> <

SAMVA >>> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM>> >> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18>> San>> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >>>> >>>> >> Dear C.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the

>> chart " .>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for the>> >> same>> >> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air

>> >> accidents,>> >> for>> >> example.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:>> >>

>> >>>> >>>> >> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in dasha).>> >> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we consider

>> >> that>> >> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical mean>> of>> >> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its

>> >> house>> >> of>> >> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit>> >> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1.

>> >> Transit>> >> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>

>> >>>> >> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in H6,>> in>> >> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis plus

>> the>> >> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to this>> >> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit Jupiter,>> >> L12

>> >> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11>> >> and>> >> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.>> >>

>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.>> >>>> >>>> >>

>> >> Best wishes,>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Jorge>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>

>> >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf>> >> Of>> >> cosmologer

>> >> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18>> >> SAMVA >> >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> >> Francisco earthquake>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Dear Vyas,>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If the>> >>>> >> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) but

>> >>>> >> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the>> >>>> >> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in

>> >>>> >> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact>> >>>> >> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in>> >>

>> >> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this>> >>>> >> sense.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to look

>> >>>> >> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major>> >>>> >> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret

>> >>>> >> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate>> >>>> >> predictions.>> >>>> >>>> >>

>> >> Best wishes,>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> C>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Dear C,>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is>> >>>> >> quite>> >>>> >> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

>> >>>> >> authenticated>> >>>> >> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to>> >>>> >> either chart,

>> >>>> >> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the

>> >>>> >> April 18,>> >>>> >> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.>> >>>> >> > The full account is given here

>> >>>> >> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php>> >>>> >> and it

>> >>>> >> > begins as follows:>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

>> >>>> >> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated>> >>>> >> 3,000>> >>>> >> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco

>> >>>> >> resulting>> >>>> >> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the>> >>>> >> city, it

>> >>>> >> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking>> >>>> >> in San>> >>>> >> > Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the>> >>>> >> event>> >>

>> >> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8>> >>>> >> > *******************************************************************>> >>>> >> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>> >>>> >> > *******************************************************************>> >>>> >> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

>> >>>> >> closely>> >>>> >> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal>> >>>> >> Ra. Rahu is>> >>

>> >> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts>> >>>> >> natal LO10>> >>>> >> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4

>> >>>> >> and LO1>> >>>> >> > are clear, no explanation required.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > *******************************************************************>> >>>> >> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >>>> >> > *******************************************************************>> >>>> >> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

>> >>>> >> house. Tr>> >>>> >> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by>> >>>> >> natal Ra from

>> >>>> >> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related>> >>>> >> to this>> >>>> >> > significant event.

>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Best regards,>> >>>> >> >>> >>

>> >> > Vyas Munidas>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > ->> >>

>> >> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer>> >>>> >> > <SAMVA >>> >>

>> >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM>> >>>> >> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812>> >>>> >> Earthquakes

>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Dear Vyas,>> >>>> >> >>> >>

>> >> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA>> >>>> >> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.>> >>

>> >> More>> >>>> >> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the properties>> >>>> >> of>> >>>> >> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

>> >>>> >> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,>> >>>> >> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

>> >>>> >> chart>> >>>> >> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake>> >>>> >> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this

>> >>>> >> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the>> >>>> >> > authentic chart for the USA.>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > Best wishes,>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > C>> >>>> >> >

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Dear List,>> >>>> >> > >

>> >>>> >> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>

>> >> > > Best regards,>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Vyas Munidas>> >>>> >> > >>> >>

>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > ->> >>>> >> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>>> >>

>> >> > > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>>> >>>> >> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Dear List,

>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I>> >>>> >> > have started

>> >>>> >> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the>> >>>> >> account>> >>>> >> > of the>> >>

>> >> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.>> >>>> >> A>> >>>> >> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

>> >>>> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811->> >>>> >> > 1812.php#december_16>> >>>> >> > > which begins the account as follows:>> >>>> >> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>> >>>> >> > kilometers), the>> >>>> >> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),>> >>>> >> > and the

>> >>>> >> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River>> >>>> >> > valley>> >>>> >> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United

>> >>>> >> > States>> >>>> >> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking>> >>>> >> > associated

>> >>>> >> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the>> >>>> >> > 1964 Alaska>> >>>> >> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco

>> >>>> >> > > earthquake. " >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the

>> >>>> >> rest>> >>>> >> > of it.>> >>>> >> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the

>> >>>> >> > Rectified>> >>>> >> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their>> >>>> >> worst.>> >>

>> >> > The>> >>>> >> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was>> >>>> >> > the most>> >>

>> >> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own>> >>>> >> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out>> >>

>> >> > is the>> >>>> >> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to>> >>>> >> > justify - it>> >>

>> >> > > jumps out at you.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will

>> >>>> >> > post the>> >>>> >> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic>> >>>> >> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

>> >>>> >> > given on>> >>>> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php

and>> >>>> >> post.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>

>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>>> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>

>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>> >>>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>> >>

>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).>> >>>> >> Sub>> >>>> >> > period

>> >>>> >> > > of Ve.>> >>>> >> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts>> >>>> >> > their

>> >>>> >> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and>> >>>> >> na>> >>>> >> > Ra>> >>

>> >> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely>> >>>> >> > afflicts LO8>> >>>> >> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " >> >>

>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>> >>>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>> >>>> >> > period of

>> >>>> >> > > Mars.>> >>>> >> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB>> >>>> >> Mo,

>> >>>> >> > Me are>> >>>> >> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or>> >>>> >> > any

>> >>>> >> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but>> >>>> >> > inconsequential. Ju is>> >>>> >> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in

>> >>>> >> > H8. This>> >>>> >> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and>> >>>> >> > unafflicting.

>> >>>> >> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>

>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>

>> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>>> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).>> >>>> >> Sub>> >>

>> >> > period>> >>>> >> > > of Venus>> >>>> >> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.>> >>

>> >> > LO4 Ve in>> >>>> >> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit>> >>>> >> > axis>> >>

>> >> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are>> >>>> >> > close to all>> >>>> >> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

>> >>>> >> > placed. This>> >>>> >> > > chart shows the disruption very well.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>

>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>>> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>> >>>> >> > period of

>> >>>> >> > > Mars.>> >>>> >> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is>> >>>> >> > placed in H2

>> >>>> >> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by>> >>>> >> placement>> >>>> >> > in H8.

>> >>>> >> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4>> >>>> >> > somewhat.>> >>>> >> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does

>> >>>> >> > show>> >>>> >> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn>> >>>> >> chart.>> >>

>> >> > If Sa>> >>>> >> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >

>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>

>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>>> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>

>> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>> >>>> >> Sub>> >>>> >> > period>> >>>> >> > > of Venus>> >>>> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

>> >>>> >> > exactly>> >>>> >> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses>> >>>> >> > closely.

>> >>>> >> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8>> >>>> >> > entering old>> >>>> >> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the

>> >>>> >> > 4th shock>> >>>> >> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event>> >>>> >> is

>> >>>> >> > properly>> >>>> >> > > justified in this chart.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************

>> >>>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>>> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>> >>>> >> > period of

>> >>>> >> > > Mars.>> >>>> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis>> >>>> >> > exactly

>> >>>> >> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the>> >>>> >> > negative>> >>>> >> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

>> >>>> >> afflicts>> >>>> >> > H8 where>> >>>> >> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

>> >>>> >> > placed in H2.>> >>>> >> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart>> >>>> >> shows

>> >>>> >> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or>> >>>> >> > dire to H4>> >>>> >> > > or H1.

>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>

>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Best regards,>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Vyas Munidas>> >>

>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>

>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>

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