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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hello Vyas, Strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 AM Aquisition of new lands > Dear Professor, > > What significations do we look for, in the aquisition of new lands? > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Dear Professor, Thank you for your response. I was looking at the aquisition of Alaska by the USA in 1867. The key date is May 18 when President Johnson signed the affirmation of the senate. This positive aquisition is seen best in the SAMVA USA chart. (I'll leave it to list members to check themselves). Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha <SAMVA > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:36 PM Re: Aquisition of new lands > > Hello Vyas, > > Strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars. > > Best wishes, > > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > <SAMVA > > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 AM > Aquisition of new lands > > >> Dear Professor, >> >> What significations do we look for, in the aquisition of new lands? >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Dear Vyas and list, Event: USA acquires Alaska. In mundane SA a "strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars" is needed for the acquisition of land. Natally, L4 Venus is badly placed and weak in H6 while Ketu afflicts H4. This is not in itself suggestive of the acquistion of land. However, L10 Mars is very strong, unaflicted and favourably aspected in H5 by natal L1 Moon in H11, which is very supportive. Due to the influence of Venus and Ketu in the chart and the nature of the acquistion of new land was through force from native indians or war with Mexico. In general, L4 Venus in H6 is indicative of the conflict surrounding the push west. The influence of Ketu on H4 suggests the act of wresting the land from native people, carrying with it a stigma, and the strong Mars suggests the successful application of force to appropriate the land. The acquisition of Alaska was different. While a huge territory, it is by comparison a relatively remote and inhospitable wilderness - also perhaps having at the time a quality of Ketu It is clear Alaska had little value to Russia at the time and they sold it for a pittance. On the day that the USA aquired Alaska transit Mars was closely conjunct H1 MEP and aspecting H4 and natal L2 Sun in H7. Transit Venus was weak but well placed in H10 and transit L3 Mercury was closely aspecting H10 and H4 and the nodes. Meanhwile, transit L2 Sun was aspecting natal L6 Jupiter and transit Moon (in the afternoon) conjunct also natal Mars and natal Jupiter. Natal Mars was aspecting Jupiter in H8, with L8 Saturn exalted in H4. The gif file is attached. Best wishes, C SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear Professor,> > Thank you for your response. I was looking at the aquisition of Alaska by > the USA in 1867. The key date is May 18 when President Johnson signed the > affirmation of the senate. This positive aquisition is seen best in the > SAMVA USA chart. (I'll leave it to list members to check themselves).> > > Best regards,> > Vyas Munidas> > > - > <siha> <SAMVA >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:36 PM> Re: Aquisition of new lands> > > >> > Hello Vyas,> >> > Strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > > >> >> > - > > "Vyas Munidas" <muni>> > <SAMVA >> > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 AM> > Aquisition of new lands> >> >> >> Dear Professor,> >>> >> What significations do we look for, in the aquisition of new lands?> >>> >>> >> Best regards,> >>> >> Vyas Munidas> >>> >> Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear C, Thanks for your post. For fair comparison, let's consider the Sc chart (attached). Mars closely afflicts H's 3, 4, 9, and 12. LO4 Sa is in H12 in old age, exactly afflicted by Ketu. LO2 Ju aspects H4 from H4. In the natal-transit, transit-natal, there are negative afflictions amongst LO6 Mars and the axis. I can't see the aquisition of Alaska in this chart. I would venture a loss of land/domestic peace and status/income is more likely through conflict. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <samva > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:48 AM Re: Aquisition of new lands > Dear Vyas and list, > > Event: USA acquires Alaska. In mundane SA a " strong lord of fourth house > or strong Mars " is needed for the acquisition of land. > > Natally, L4 Venus is badly placed and weak in H6 while Ketu afflicts H4. > This is not in itself suggestive of the acquistion of land. However, L10 > Mars is very strong, unaflicted and favourably aspected in H5 by natal L1 > Moon in H11, which is very supportive. Due to the influence of Venus and > Ketu in the chart and the nature of the acquistion of new land was through > force from native indians or war with Mexico. In general, L4 Venus in H6 > is indicative of the conflict surrounding the push west. The influence of > Ketu on H4 suggests the act of wresting the land from native people, > carrying with it a stigma, and the strong Mars suggests the successful > application of force to appropriate the land. The acquisition of Alaska > was different. While a huge territory, it is by comparison a relatively > remote and inhospitable wilderness - also perhaps having at the time a > quality of Ketu It is clear Alaska had little value to Russia at the time > and they sold it for a pittance. > > On the day that the USA aquired Alaska transit Mars was closely conjunct > H1 MEP and aspecting H4 and natal L2 Sun in H7. Transit Venus was weak but > well placed in H10 and transit L3 Mercury was closely aspecting H10 and H4 > and the nodes. Meanhwile, transit L2 Sun was aspecting natal L6 Jupiter > and transit Moon (in the afternoon) conjunct also natal Mars and natal > Jupiter. Natal Mars was aspecting Jupiter in H8, with L8 Saturn exalted in > H4. > > The gif file is attached. > > Best wishes, > > C > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: >> >> Dear Professor, >> >> Thank you for your response. I was looking at the aquisition of Alaska by >> the USA in 1867. The key date is May 18 when President Johnson signed the >> affirmation of the senate. This positive aquisition is seen best in the >> SAMVA USA chart. (I'll leave it to list members to check themselves). >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> >> - >> <siha >> <SAMVA > >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:36 PM >> Re: Aquisition of new lands >> >> >> > >> > Hello Vyas, >> > >> > Strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> >> > <SAMVA > >> > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 AM >> > Aquisition of new lands >> > >> > >> >> Dear Professor, >> >> >> >> What significations do we look for, in the aquisition of new lands? >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> >> >> > > > > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear C. I am using March 30 1867 as the day the decision was made by Secretary of State William H. Seward http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/recon/jb_recon_alaska_1.html and June 20 as its proclamation. Considering the American expansion to west (Saturn), both charts are interesting. The SAMVA chart shows easy gains from west and investments in west, as Saturn, L8 is in H5. The rectified chart shows expansion of territory to west, or gains of new territory from west, due to spiritual/comercial reasons, as Saturn, L4 is placed in H11, and its dispositor, Mercury (north direction), is placed in H9. Also with much suffering as Ketu aspects both houses. That said, Alaska (northwest direction) was purchased in: - Me/Sa in the SAMVA chart. It shows the direction of Alaska, purchased (Me) by a cheap price (Sa, L8). - Ke/Ma in the rectified chart. Ketu is like Mars, and Mars is immovable property. Ketu indicates initiatives (H3) and Mars rules financial position (L6). Best wishes, Jorge On 1/17/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear Vyas and list, Event: USA acquires Alaska. In mundane SA a " strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars " is needed for the acquisition of land. Natally, L4 Venus is badly placed and weak in H6 while Ketu afflicts H4. This is not in itself suggestive of the acquistion of land. However, L10 Mars is very strong, unaflicted and favourably aspected in H5 by natal L1 Moon in H11, which is very supportive. Due to the influence of Venus and Ketu in the chart and the nature of the acquistion of new land was through force from native indians or war with Mexico. In general, L4 Venus in H6 is indicative of the conflict surrounding the push west. The influence of Ketu on H4 suggests the act of wresting the land from native people, carrying with it a stigma, and the strong Mars suggests the successful application of force to appropriate the land. The acquisition of Alaska was different. While a huge territory, it is by comparison a relatively remote and inhospitable wilderness - also perhaps having at the time a quality of Ketu It is clear Alaska had little value to Russia at the time and they sold it for a pittance. On the day that the USA aquired Alaska transit Mars was closely conjunct H1 MEP and aspecting H4 and natal L2 Sun in H7. Transit Venus was weak but well placed in H10 and transit L3 Mercury was closely aspecting H10 and H4 and the nodes. Meanhwile, transit L2 Sun was aspecting natal L6 Jupiter and transit Moon (in the afternoon) conjunct also natal Mars and natal Jupiter. Natal Mars was aspecting Jupiter in H8, with L8 Saturn exalted in H4. The gif file is attached. Best wishes, C SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: >> Dear Professor,> > Thank you for your response. I was looking at the aquisition of Alaska by > the USA in 1867. The key date is May 18 when President Johnson signed the > affirmation of the senate. This positive aquisition is seen best in the > SAMVA USA chart. (I'll leave it to list members to check themselves).> > > Best regards,> > Vyas Munidas> > > - > <siha> <SAMVA >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:36 PM > Re: Aquisition of new lands> > > >> > Hello Vyas,> >> > Strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars.> >> > Best wishes, > >> > > >> >> > - > > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>> > < SAMVA >> > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 AM> > Aquisition of new lands> >> >> >> Dear Professor,> >>> >> What significations do we look for, in the aquisition of new lands? > >>> >>> >> Best regards,> >>> >> Vyas Munidas> >>> >> Get your own web address.Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Jorge, A more detailed account of the Alaska purchase: http://www.theus50.com/alaska/ Pres. Johnson's signature was the pivotal moment - without this no sale, no transfer would take place. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino <SAMVA > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:44 AM Re: Re: Aquisition of new lands > Dear C. > > I am using March 30 1867 as the day the decision was made by Secretary of > State William H. Seward > http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/recon/jb_recon_alaska_1.html and June 20 > as its proclamation. > > Considering the American expansion to west (Saturn), both charts are > interesting. > > The SAMVA chart shows easy gains from west and investments in west, as > Saturn, L8 is in H5. > > The rectified chart shows expansion of territory to west, or gains of new > territory from west, due to spiritual/comercial reasons, as Saturn, L4 is > placed in H11, and its dispositor, Mercury (north direction), is placed in > H9. Also with much suffering as Ketu aspects both houses. > > That said, Alaska (northwest direction) was purchased in: > - Me/Sa in the SAMVA chart. It shows the direction of Alaska, purchased > (Me) > by a cheap price (Sa, L8). > - Ke/Ma in the rectified chart. Ketu is like Mars, and Mars is immovable > property. Ketu indicates initiatives (H3) and Mars rules financial > position > (L6). > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On 1/17/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: >> >> Dear Vyas and list, >> >> Event: USA acquires Alaska. In mundane SA a " strong lord of fourth house >> or strong Mars " is needed for the acquisition of land. >> >> Natally, L4 Venus is badly placed and weak in H6 while Ketu afflicts H4. >> This is not in itself suggestive of the acquistion of land. However, L10 >> Mars is very strong, unaflicted and favourably aspected in H5 by natal L1 >> Moon in H11, which is very supportive. Due to the influence of Venus and >> Ketu in the chart and the nature of the acquistion of new land was >> through >> force from native indians or war with Mexico. In general, L4 Venus in H6 >> is indicative of the conflict surrounding the push west. The influence of >> Ketu on H4 suggests the act of wresting the land from native people, >> carrying with it a stigma, and the strong Mars suggests the successful >> application of force to appropriate the land. The acquisition of Alaska >> was >> different. While a huge territory, it is by comparison a relatively >> remote >> and inhospitable wilderness - also perhaps having at the time a quality >> of >> Ketu It is clear Alaska had little value to Russia at the time and they >> sold it for a pittance. >> >> On the day that the USA aquired Alaska transit Mars was closely conjunct >> H1 MEP and aspecting H4 and natal L2 Sun in H7. Transit Venus was weak >> but >> well placed in H10 and transit L3 Mercury was closely aspecting H10 and >> H4 >> and the nodes. Meanhwile, transit L2 Sun was aspecting natal L6 Jupiter >> and >> transit Moon (in the afternoon) conjunct also natal Mars and natal >> Jupiter. >> Natal Mars was aspecting Jupiter in H8, with L8 Saturn exalted in H4. >> >> The gif file is attached. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> C >> >> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Professor, >> > >> > Thank you for your response. I was looking at the aquisition of Alaska >> by >> > the USA in 1867. The key date is May 18 when President Johnson signed >> the >> > affirmation of the senate. This positive aquisition is seen best in the >> > SAMVA USA chart. (I'll leave it to list members to check themselves). >> > >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Vyas Munidas >> > >> > >> > - >> > <siha >> > <SAMVA > >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:36 PM >> > Re: Aquisition of new lands >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Hello Vyas, >> > > >> > > Strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars. >> > > >> > > Best wishes, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - >> > > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> >> > > <SAMVA > >> > > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 AM >> > > Aquisition of new lands >> > > >> > > >> > >> Dear Professor, >> > >> >> > >> What significations do we look for, in the aquisition of new lands? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Best regards, >> > >> >> > >> Vyas Munidas >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get your own web >> address.<http://us.rd./evt=49678/*http://smallbusiness./domain\ s/?p=BESTDEAL> >> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Vyas, Thanks for the link. Looking to this pivotal moment, - The SAMVA chart was in Me/Sa/Ke: Mercury (trade), L3 (initiatives), is placed in H7 (expansion, trade or business). In transit, FB Mercury is exactly aspecting H4 (territory). Saturn (land and property), L8 (easy gains), is placed in H5 (intelligence, speculative gains from investments). In transit, it is placed in H4 (territory). Ketu (deserts, like Mars) is placed in H4 (territory). In transit, Ketu exactly aspects retrograde Saturn from H8 (easy gains). Transit FB Mars (immovable property), L10, is exactly over MEP1, aspecting H4, H7, and H8. - The rectified chart was in Ke/Ma/Sa: Ketu is placed exactly over MEP3 (initiatives), exactly aspecting MEP11, influencing Saturn, L4. Transit Mars influences natal Ketu. In transit, Ketu is placed in H4 (territory), exactly in the same longitude as natal Mars. Mars, L6 (sound financial position, initiatives), is placed in H7 (expansion, trade, business). In transit, it is placed in H9 (luck), under the influence of natal Rahu/Ketu axis, and from where it closely aspects H12 (expenses, transit Saturn, L4), H3 (initiatives, natal Ketu and Moon), and H4 (territory, transit FB Jupiter, L2, and Ketu) Saturn (west direction, land and property), L4 (territory), is placed in H11 (gains). In transit, exalted retrograde Saturn is placed in H12 (expenses and/or investments), exactly aspected by Ketu from H4, and in the same longitude as natal Saturn and natal Mars. H12 is under the influence of transit Mars, as already said, and under the close influence of transit FB Mercury, L11, and transit FB Jupiter, L2. Transit Jupiter is close to MEP4, bringing expansion to the area of the territory. This is how I see that moment now. Hope it helps. Best wishes, Jorge On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Jorge,A more detailed account of the Alaska purchase: http://www.theus50.com/alaska/Pres. Johnson's signature was the pivotal moment - without this no sale, notransfer would take place.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino<SAMVA >Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:44 AM Re: Re: Aquisition of new lands> Dear C.>> I am using March 30 1867 as the day the decision was made by Secretary of> State William H. Seward> http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/recon/jb_recon_alaska_1.html and June 20> as its proclamation.>> Considering the American expansion to west (Saturn), both charts are> interesting.> > The SAMVA chart shows easy gains from west and investments in west, as> Saturn, L8 is in H5.>> The rectified chart shows expansion of territory to west, or gains of new> territory from west, due to spiritual/comercial reasons, as Saturn, L4 is > placed in H11, and its dispositor, Mercury (north direction), is placed in> H9. Also with much suffering as Ketu aspects both houses.>> That said, Alaska (northwest direction) was purchased in: > - Me/Sa in the SAMVA chart. It shows the direction of Alaska, purchased> (Me)> by a cheap price (Sa, L8).> - Ke/Ma in the rectified chart. Ketu is like Mars, and Mars is immovable> property. Ketu indicates initiatives (H3) and Mars rules financial > position> (L6).>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 1/17/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> >> Dear Vyas and list,>>>> Event: USA acquires Alaska. In mundane SA a " strong lord of fourth house>> or strong Mars " is needed for the acquisition of land.>>>> Natally, L4 Venus is badly placed and weak in H6 while Ketu afflicts H4. >> This is not in itself suggestive of the acquistion of land. However, L10>> Mars is very strong, unaflicted and favourably aspected in H5 by natal L1>> Moon in H11, which is very supportive. Due to the influence of Venus and >> Ketu in the chart and the nature of the acquistion of new land was>> through>> force from native indians or war with Mexico. In general, L4 Venus in H6>> is indicative of the conflict surrounding the push west. The influence of >> Ketu on H4 suggests the act of wresting the land from native people,>> carrying with it a stigma, and the strong Mars suggests the successful>> application of force to appropriate the land. The acquisition of Alaska >> was>> different. While a huge territory, it is by comparison a relatively>> remote>> and inhospitable wilderness - also perhaps having at the time a quality>> of>> Ketu It is clear Alaska had little value to Russia at the time and they >> sold it for a pittance.>>>> On the day that the USA aquired Alaska transit Mars was closely conjunct>> H1 MEP and aspecting H4 and natal L2 Sun in H7. Transit Venus was weak>> but >> well placed in H10 and transit L3 Mercury was closely aspecting H10 and>> H4>> and the nodes. Meanhwile, transit L2 Sun was aspecting natal L6 Jupiter>> and>> transit Moon (in the afternoon) conjunct also natal Mars and natal >> Jupiter.>> Natal Mars was aspecting Jupiter in H8, with L8 Saturn exalted in H4.>>>> The gif file is attached.>>>> Best wishes,>>>> C>> >> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:>> >>> > Dear Professor,>> >>> > Thank you for your response. I was looking at the aquisition of Alaska >> by>> > the USA in 1867. The key date is May 18 when President Johnson signed>> the>> > affirmation of the senate. This positive aquisition is seen best in the>> > SAMVA USA chart. (I'll leave it to list members to check themselves). >> >>> >>> > Best regards,>> >>> > Vyas Munidas>> >>> >>> > ->> > <siha >> > <SAMVA >>> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:36 PM>> > Re: Aquisition of new lands>> > >> >>> > >>> > > Hello Vyas,>> > >>> > > Strong lord of fourth house or strong Mars.>> > >>> > > Best wishes, >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>> > > ->> > > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> >> > > <SAMVA >>> > > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 AM>> > > Aquisition of new lands >> > >>> > >>> > >> Dear Professor,>> > >>>> > >> What significations do we look for, in the aquisition of new lands?>> > >> >> > >>>> > >> Best regards,>> > >>>> > >> Vyas Munidas>> > >>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------ >> Get your own web>> address.<http://us.rd./evt=49678/*http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL >>> Have a HUGE year through Small Business.>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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