Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San Francisco earthquake

January 16, 2007

Dear Vyas,

Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If the

recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) but

took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the

national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in

the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this

sense.

For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to look

at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major

impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret

the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate

predictions.

Best wishes,

C

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear C,

>

> Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

quite

> amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

authenticated

> that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

either chart,

> but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>

> I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the

April 18,

> 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

> The full account is given here

> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

and it

> begins as follows:

>

> " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

> California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated

3,000

> deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco

resulting

> only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the

city, it

> was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking

in San

> Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>

> The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

event

> clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>

> San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

> *******************************************************************

> The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> *******************************************************************

> Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

closely

> afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

Ra. Rahu is

> in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts

natal LO10

> Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4

and LO1

> are clear, no explanation required.

>

> *******************************************************************

> The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> *******************************************************************

> LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

house. Tr

> Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

natal Ra from

> H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related

to this

> significant event.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

Earthquakes

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA

> chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.

More

> importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the properties

of

> this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

> factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,

> I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

chart

> for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake

> in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this

> chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the

> authentic chart for the USA.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> C

> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

> > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

> have started

> > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

account

> of the

> > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.

A

> > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

> 1812.php#december_16

> > which begins the account as follows:

> > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

> kilometers), the

> > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),

> and the

> > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River

> valley

> > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United

> States

> > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

> associated

> > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the

> 1964 Alaska

> > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco

> > earthquake. "

> >

> > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the

rest

> of it.

> > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the

> Rectified

> > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

worst.

> The

> > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was

> the most

> > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own

> > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out

> is the

> > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

> justify - it

> > jumps out at you.

> >

> > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will

> post the

> > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic

> > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

> given on

> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

post.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Ve.

> > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts

> their

> > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and

na

> Ra

> > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

> afflicts LO8

> > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

Mo,

> Me are

> > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or

> any

> > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

> inconsequential. Ju is

> > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in

> H8. This

> > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

> unafflicting.

> > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Venus

> > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.

> LO4 Ve in

> > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit

> axis

> > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

> close to all

> > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

> placed. This

> > chart shows the disruption very well.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

> placed in H2

> > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

placement

> in H8.

> > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4

> somewhat.

> > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does

> show

> > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

chart.

> If Sa

> > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Venus

> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

> exactly

> > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses

> closely.

> > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

> entering old

> > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the

> 4th shock

> > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event

is

> properly

> > justified in this chart.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

> exactly

> > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the

> negative

> > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

afflicts

> H8 where

> > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

> placed in H2.

> > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart

shows

> > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or

> dire to H4

> > or H1.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

>

January 16, 2007

Dear C,

Thank you for your kind guidance. This is inline with what I have chosen to

post so far (3000 fatalities in this quake and an entire city flattened in

the 1811/1812).

In Alaska for instance there are lots of high intensity quakes that do not

impact the mainland (11 of the 16 largest in the USA). These won't be

addressed.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:18 PM

Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

Dear Vyas,

Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If the

recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) but

took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the

national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in

the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this

sense.

For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to look

at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major

impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret

the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate

predictions.

Best wishes,

C

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear C,

>

> Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

quite

> amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

authenticated

> that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

either chart,

> but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>

> I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the

April 18,

> 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

> The full account is given here

> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

and it

> begins as follows:

>

> " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

> California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated

3,000

> deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco

resulting

> only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the

city, it

> was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking

in San

> Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>

> The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

event

> clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>

> San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

> *******************************************************************

> The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> *******************************************************************

> Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

closely

> afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

Ra. Rahu is

> in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts

natal LO10

> Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4

and LO1

> are clear, no explanation required.

>

> *******************************************************************

> The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> *******************************************************************

> LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

house. Tr

> Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

natal Ra from

> H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related

to this

> significant event.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

Earthquakes

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA

> chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.

More

> importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the properties

of

> this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

> factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,

> I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

chart

> for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake

> in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this

> chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the

> authentic chart for the USA.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> C

> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

> > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

> have started

> > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

account

> of the

> > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.

A

> > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

> 1812.php#december_16

> > which begins the account as follows:

> > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

> kilometers), the

> > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),

> and the

> > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River

> valley

> > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United

> States

> > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

> associated

> > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the

> 1964 Alaska

> > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco

> > earthquake. "

> >

> > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the

rest

> of it.

> > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the

> Rectified

> > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

worst.

> The

> > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was

> the most

> > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own

> > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out

> is the

> > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

> justify - it

> > jumps out at you.

> >

> > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will

> post the

> > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic

> > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events

> given on

> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

post.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Ve.

> > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts

> their

> > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and

na

> Ra

> > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

> afflicts LO8

> > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

Mo,

> Me are

> > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or

> any

> > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

> inconsequential. Ju is

> > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in

> H8. This

> > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

> unafflicting.

> > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Venus

> > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.

> LO4 Ve in

> > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit

> axis

> > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

> close to all

> > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

> placed. This

> > chart shows the disruption very well.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

> placed in H2

> > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

placement

> in H8.

> > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4

> somewhat.

> > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does

> show

> > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

chart.

> If Sa

> > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Venus

> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

> exactly

> > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses

> closely.

> > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

> entering old

> > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the

> 4th shock

> > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event

is

> properly

> > justified in this chart.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis

> exactly

> > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the

> negative

> > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

afflicts

> H8 where

> > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

> placed in H2.

> > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart

shows

> > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or

> dire to H4

> > or H1.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

>

January 16, 2007

Dear C.

Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning

how to use the chart " .

Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind

of events for the same chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with

air accidents, for example.

Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra

(2 days difference in dasha). Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted,

unless we consider that it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical mean of natal Jupiter

plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its house of placement closely afflicted

(5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd

houses, including MEP1. Transit Saturn

afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5. Â

Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra.

Transit Venus is badly placed in H6,

in exact square aspect with

the arithmetical mean of the natal axis plus the transit axis. Transit Saturn,

dispositor of the Moon, is close to this

value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by

transit Ketu. Transit Jupiter, L12 in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11

and D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.

I am in the process of checking as many events as

possible.

Best wishes,

Jorge

SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of cosmologer

terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

SAMVA

Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San Francisco

earthquake

Dear Vyas,

Thanks for the additional check. It is very

interesting.

One thought on this historical analysis for future

reference. If the

recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale

measurement) but

took place in a remote area and with little or any

real impact on the

national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be

seen remotely in

the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and

the impact

severe on a given population, the impact should show

up clearly in

the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be

equal in this

sense.

For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow

would be to look

at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly

defined and major

impact on the country. This should give insight on how

to interpret

the events in terms of the chart and how to make the

most accurate

predictions.

Best wishes,

C

Â

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas "

<muni> wrote:

>

> Dear C,

>

> Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the

Iceland chart is

quite

> amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd

say you have

authenticated

> that chart fully. In this study, I am not

strongly attached to

either chart,

> but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>

> I now draw your attention to another key

earthquake in the USA the

April 18,

> 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

> The full account is given here

> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

and it

> begins as follows:

>

> " This earthquake is one of the most

devastating in the history of

> California. The earthquake and resulting fires

caused an estimated

3,000

> deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage

in San Francisco

resulting

> only from the earthquake was estimated at $20

million; outside the

city, it

> was estimated at $4 million. The sensible

duration of the shaking

in San

> Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>

> The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn

chart shows the

event

> clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>

> San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC

Magnitude 7.8

>

*******************************************************************

> The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation

and Perpetual Union "

>

*******************************************************************

> Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1

Mo is in H8

closely

> afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is

close to natal

Ra. Rahu is

> in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd

houses. Ju afflicts

natal LO10

> Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The

affliction to LO4

and LO1

> are clear, no explanation required.

>

*******************************************************************

> The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of

Independance "

>

*******************************************************************

> LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does

not afflict any

house. Tr

> Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is

afflicted by

natal Ra from

> H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions,

but nothing related

to this

> significant event.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " cosmologer "

<cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

> Re: Natural Calamities in the

USA 1811-1812

Earthquakes

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Thank you for this magisterial contribution.

Indeed, the SAMVA USA

> chart is being developed through a multitude of

events examined.

More

> importantly, such studies increase the knowledge

of the properties

of

> this chart. It is studies like this which give

insight into what

> factors to look for in order to make correct

predictions. Last year,

> I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in

the authentic

chart

> for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly

predict an earthquake

> in Iceland last October. The predictions made on

the basis of this

> chart for next Spring will be decisive in

establishing it as the

> authentic chart for the USA.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> C

> SAMVA , " Vyas

Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > I forgot to include the subject of this

email.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas "

<munidas@>

> > <SAMVA >;

" JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural

disasters in the USA, I

> have started

> > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me

24 pages of the

account

> of the

> > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from

Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.

A

> > shortened account is available here on the

USGS website:

> >

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

> 1812.php#december_16

> > which begins the account as follows:

> > " On the basis of the large area of

damage (600,000 square

> kilometers), the

> > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000

square kilometers),

> and the

> > complex physiographic changes that occurred,

the Mississippi River

> valley

> > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the

largest in the United

> States

> > since its settlement by Europeans. The area

of strong shaking

> associated

> > with these shocks is two to three times

larger than that of the

> 1964 Alaska

> > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of

the 1906 San Francisco

> > earthquake. "

> >

> > It continues on in some detail and I

encourage you to read the

rest

> of it.

> > What follows below are my comparison of the

the SAMVA USA and the

> Rectified

> > charts for the three key dates when the

quakes were at their

worst.

> The

> > charts are included with their relevant

text. The final date was

> the most

> > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid.

You may draw your own

> > conclusions about my assessment of these

two, but what stands out

> is the

> > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have

not looked deeply to

> justify - it

> > jumps out at you.

> >

> > If you find this of value, time permitting,

in the future I will

> post the

> > charts of other major USA quakes and natural

disasters of historic

> > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a

few of these events

> given on

> >

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

post.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of

Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast

Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast

Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4

(Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Ve.

> > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses

afflicted. Tr axis afflicts

> their

> > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve,

FM Sa in H6. Tr and

na

> Ra

> > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju

from H12, closely

> afflicts LO8

> > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the

observed eqrthquakes.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of

Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast

Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast

Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4

(Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No

houses are afflicted. FB

Mo,

> Me are

> > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not

afflict that house or

> any

> > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is

present, but

> inconsequential. Ju is

> > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve

and is badly placed in

> H8. This

> > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is

well placed and

> unafflicting.

> > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of

Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid,

Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4

(Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Venus

> > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd

houses, in good strength.

> LO4 Ve in

> > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from

H12. Natal and transit

> axis

> > positions exactly afflict each other within

30 minutes and are

> close to all

> > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa

and Ju are badly

> placed. This

> > chart shows the disruption very well.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of

Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid,

Missouri Magnitude ~7.8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4

(Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2

degrees. Saturn is

> placed in H2

> > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor

Ju is weak by

placement

> in H8.

> > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve

sitting in an afflicted H4

> somewhat.

> > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This

chart certainly does

> show

> > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in

comparison to the Cn

chart.

> If Sa

> > were afflicted directly, it would be on more

even ground.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of

Confederation and Perpetual Union "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid,

Missouri Magnitude ~8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4

(Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

Sub

> period

> > of Venus

> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed

New Madrid. The axis

> exactly

> > afflict their natal position within 1 degree

and all even houses

> closely.

> > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve

is placed in H8

> entering old

> > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal

Saturn by the time the

> 4th shock

> > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa

afflicts tr Su. The event

is

> properly

> > justified in this chart.

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of

Independance "

> >

>

**********************************************************************

> ********************************************

> > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid,

Missouri Magnitude ~8

> >

> > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4

(Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

> period of

> > Mars.

> > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed

New Madrid. The axis

> exactly

> > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke

aspect reduces the

> negative

> > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts

tr Mars, which

afflicts

> H8 where

> > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's

dispositor is Ju and is

> placed in H2.

> > The Moon is well placed in H1, though

debilitated. This chart

shows

> > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake,Â but

not catastrophic or

> dire to H4

> > or H1.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

>

Â

January 17, 2007

Dear List members Thanks to Vyas for this thread. Allow me to add a comment This fascinating comparative review of the impact of historical events on the USA charts for July 2, 1776 & February 2, 1781, has already confirmed for me a very important historical consideration. Let the astrological investigations proceed in determining which chart is the true one for America's nation-state. In the meantime, the following considerations are no longer in doubt for me: The true JULY 1776 event date is the SECOND DAY, not the FOURTH DAY of the month & The true 1781 date is the SECOND DAY OF FEBRUARY, not the FIRST DAY OF MARCH, Popular histories remember the date of the published broadside Declaration of Independence, not the true event which

by sovereign enactment made the publication possible, two days before. These same popular histories remember the date of the ceremonial 13th State signing of the Articles of Confederation & Perpetual Union in Philadelphia; not the true event which by a sovereign enactment of statutory law made the signing possible, this being the law enacted in Annapolis, Maryland, one month earlier than the signing ceremony. So as we review the event of the San Francisco earthquake of 1906, let's keep in mind the events leading up to the event. Perhaps one of these dates in California's own history can shed light on the event of 1906. TREATY OF GUADALUPE HIDALGO: U.S. ACQUISITION OF AMERICA’s SOUTHWEST A TREATY OF PEACE, FRIENDSHIP, LIMITS, AND SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNITED MEXICAN STATES RESULTING LAND CESSION TO THE UNITED STATES: Arizona, California, New Mexico, and parts of Colorado, Nevada and Utah [1] FEBRUARY 2, 1848: TREATY CONCLUDED & SIGNED AT GUADALUPE HIDALGO; [2] MARCH 10, 1848: RATIFICATION OF FEB 2 TREATY, ADVISED BY THE U.S. SENATE WITH AMENDMENTS, [3] MARCH 16, 1848: TREATY RATIFIED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, [4] MAY 30, 1848: U.S. & MEXICAN RATIFICATIONS EXCHANGED AT QUERETARO [5] JULY 4, 1848: PROCLAIMED BY U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE [6] SEPTEMBER 4, 1849: SAN JOSE CONVENTION BECOMES

CALIFORNIA AS “THE STATE” [7] NOVEMBER 16, 1849: THE PEOPLE OF “THE STATE” VOTE ADOPTION OF “THE STATE’s” CONSTITUTION, WHICH INCLUDES RATIFICATION OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION [8] SEPTEMBER 9,

1850: “THE STATE” IS ADMITTED TO THE U.S. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BY AN ACT SIGNED BY THE POTUS. JOHN Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: My dear Vyas, Thanks for your kind words. Your ideas are always a precious contribution to this list

and are welcome. Status and wealth are there as Jupiter is exactly aspecting H2 (wealth), its own MT, from H8 (easy gains and death). Regarding the leading role, I am not so sure. See how this war in Iraq came without the approval of the UN. A leader leads, motivates, does not behave alone. And in July 2 1776, they were not just separating from the English. They were taking on their shoulders the destiny of a new nation. Best wishes, Jorge On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Jorge,If we assume for a moment that this is infact the USA natal chart, we mustalso consider the two fold requirement of

astral remedy, viz propitiation and strengthening. I think it's agreeable that the USA is the wealthiestnation, the world leader, the country where practically any material dreamcan happen regardless of background etc etc.Propitiation via whatever effective method for countries have been discussed here and some is done, but what about the strengthening? Withoutstrengthening, weak planets cannot show extraordinary results. I imaginethat FB gems/yantras would have to be kept in appropriate governementbuildings and key officials would have to have strong planets or do astralremedies themselves.In this case, the event may be well rectified, but it may not be thedefining moment of the birth of a nation. Compare to a woman who gets a divorce and married again a few years later. The divorce does not define thestart of her second marriage, but it may explicitly define a new chapter inher life.Just my humble

two cents Jorge, I hope it's well received. I have lots of respect for your work and ability.Best regards,Vyas Munidas-"Jorge Angelino" <jorge.angelino ><SAMVA >Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:35 AMRe: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 SanFrancisco earthquake > Dear Vyas,>> you are right.>> All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer twice> due> to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of placement > simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also placed in> afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in H8, but> the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT

house, which saves the > USA> status.>> This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4, creates a> generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good adviser> for> their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the nations > may> be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in H3,> dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are still> very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11, dispositor > of> Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a spiritual> reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).>> Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them permanently. >> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote:>>>> Dear Jorge,>> >> Thank you for your email.>>>> Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of 11H>> containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said, natal>> LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming>> significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa 60%.>> These>> transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance. Taken >> with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction with>> 3000>> fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong about>> the>> liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for our >> dear>> Professor or Cosmologer.>>>> In the rashi of the

rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact all>> odd>> houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point about >> a>> planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other>> planets>> in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs the>> open>> question. >>>> I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are testing.>>>>>> Best regards,>>>> Vyas Munidas>>>>>> - >> "Jorge Angelino" <jorge.angelino >>> <SAMVA >>> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM >> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

San>> Francisco earthquake>>>>>> > Dear Vyas,>> >>> > you are right in your understanding. >> >>> > Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght in>> > rashi,>> > and it is afflicted in TTT.>> >>> > Best wishes,>> >>> > Jorge>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote:>> >>>> >> Dear Jorge,>> >>>> >> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the rectified>> >> chart.>> >> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In my >> >> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant

events>> >> concerning>> >> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.>> >>>> >> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA per >> my>> >> understanding.>> >>>> >>>> >> Best regards,>> >>>> >> Vyas Munidas>> >>>> >> >> >> ->> >> "jorge angelino" <jorge.angelino >>> >> < SAMVA >>> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM>> >> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18>> San>> >> Francisco earthquake >> >>>> >>>>

>> Dear C.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Well said. That is exactly what I call, "learning how to use the >> chart".>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for the>> >> same>> >> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air >> >> accidents,>> >> for>> >> example.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in dasha).>> >> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we consider >> >> that>> >> it falls exactly on the

seventh house aspect of the arithmetical mean>> of>> >> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its>> >> house>> >> of>> >> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit>> >> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1. >> >> Transit>> >> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in H6,>> in>> >> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis plus>> the>> >> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to this>> >> value, and natal Saturn is

afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit Jupiter,>> >> L12 >> >> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11>> >> and>> >> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Best wishes,>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Jorge>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf>> >> Of>>

>> cosmologer >> >> terça-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18>> >> SAMVA >> >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San >> >> Francisco earthquake>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Dear Vyas,>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting. >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If the>> >>>> >> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement) but >> >>>> >> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on the>> >>>> >> national

affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in >> >>>> >> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact>> >>>> >> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in>> >> >> >> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this>> >>>> >> sense.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to look >> >>>> >> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and major>> >>>> >> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret >> >>>> >> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate>> >>>> >> predictions.>>

>>>> >>>> >> >> >> Best wishes,>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> C>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Dear C,>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is>> >>>> >> quite>> >>>> >> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have >> >>>> >> authenticated>> >>>> >> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to>>

>>>> >> either chart, >> >>>> >> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA the >> >>>> >> April 18,>> >>>> >> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.>> >>>> >> > The full account is given here >> >>>> >> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php>> >>>> >> and it >> >>>> >> > begins as follows:>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > "This earthquake is one of the most

devastating in the history of >> >>>> >> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an estimated>> >>>> >> 3,000>> >>>> >> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco >> >>>> >> resulting>> >>>> >> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside the>> >>>> >> city, it>> >>>> >> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking>> >>>> >> in San>> >>>> >> > Francisco was about 1 minute." >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the>> >>>> >> event>>

>> >> >> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8>> >>>> >> > *******************************************************************>> >>>> >> > The SAMVA Chart, "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union " >> >>>> >> > *******************************************************************>> >>>> >> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8 >> >>>> >> closely>> >>>> >> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal>>

>>>> >> Ra. Rahu is>> >> >> >> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts>> >>>> >> natal LO10>> >>>> >> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4 >> >>>> >> and LO1>> >>>> >> > are clear, no explanation required.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > *******************************************************************>> >>>> >> > The Rectified Chart, "Declaration of Independance" >> >>>> >> > *******************************************************************>> >>>>

>> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any >> >>>> >> house. Tr>> >>>> >> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by>> >>>> >> natal Ra from>> >>>> >> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing related>> >>>> >> to this>> >>>> >> > significant event. >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Best regards,>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > Vyas Munidas>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > ->> >>

>> >> > "cosmologer" <cosmologer>> >>>> >> > <SAMVA >>> >> >> >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM>> >>>> >> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812>> >>>> >> Earthquakes >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Dear Vyas,>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA USA>> >>>> >> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.>> >> >> >> More>> >>>> >> > importantly,

such studies increase the knowledge of the properties>> >>>> >> of>> >>>> >> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what >> >>>> >> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last year,>> >>>> >> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic >> >>>> >> chart>> >>>> >> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an earthquake>> >>>> >> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of this >> >>>> >> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the>> >>>> >> > authentic chart for the USA.>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>

>> > Best wishes,>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > C>> >>>> >> > SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <munidas@> wrote:>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Dear List,>> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >> >> >> > > Best regards,>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Vyas Munidas>> >>>> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>>

>> > > ->> >>>> >> > > "Vyas Munidas" <munidas@>>> >> >> >> > > <SAMVA >; "JohnTWB" <blazingstar1776@>>> >>>> >> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Dear List, >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I>> >>>> >> > have started >> >>>> >> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of

the>> >>>> >> account>> >>>> >> > of the>> >> >> >> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb 1812.>> >>>> >> A>> >>>> >> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website: >> >>>> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811->> >>>> >> > 1812.php#december_16>> >>>> >> > > which begins the account as follows:>> >>>> >> > > "On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square >> >>>> >> > kilometers), the>> >>>> >> > > widespread area of

perceptibility (5,000,000 square kilometers),>> >>>> >> > and the >> >>>> >> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi River>> >>>> >> > valley>> >>>> >> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the United >> >>>> >> > States>> >>>> >> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking>> >>>> >> > associated >> >>>> >> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the>> >>>> >> > 1964 Alaska>> >>>> >> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San Francisco >> >>>> >> > >

earthquake.">> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the >> >>>> >> rest>> >>>> >> > of it.>> >>>> >> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and the>> >>>> >> > Rectified>> >>>> >> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their>> >>>> >> worst.>> >> >> >> > The>> >>>> >> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date was>> >>>> >> > the most>> >> >> >> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your own>>

>>>> >> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands out>> >> >> >> > is the>> >>>> >> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to>> >>>> >> > justify - it>> >> >> >> > > jumps out at you.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I will>> >>>> >> > post the>> >>>> >> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of historic>> >>>> >> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these events >> >>>> >> > given on>> >>>> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and>> >>>> >> post.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ******************************************** >> >>>> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union ">> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>

**********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>> >>>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).>> >>>> >> Sub>> >>>> >> > period >> >>>> >> > > of Ve.>> >>>> >> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis afflicts>> >>>> >> > their >> >>>>

>> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr and>> >>>> >> na>> >>>> >> > Ra>> >> >> >> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely>> >>>> >> > afflicts LO8>> >>>> >> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes. >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> ********************************************************************** >> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, "Declaration of

Independance">> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ******************************************** >> >>>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>> >>>> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1 >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>> >>>> >> > period of >> >>>> >> > > Mars.>> >>>> >> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No

houses are afflicted. FB>> >>>> >> Mo,>> >>>> >> > Me are>> >>>> >> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house or>> >>>> >> > any>> >>>> >> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but>> >>>> >> > inconsequential. Ju is>> >>>> >> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed in >> >>>> >> > H8. This>> >>>> >> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and>> >>>> >> > unafflicting. >> >>>> >> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.>> >>>> >> > >>>

>>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union ">> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> >

********************************************>> >>>> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8 >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).>> >>>> >> Sub>> >> >> >> > period>> >>>> >> > > of Venus>> >>>> >> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good strength.>> >> >> >> > LO4 Ve in>> >>>> >> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and transit>> >>>> >> > axis>> >> >> >> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are>>

>>>> >> > close to all>> >>>> >> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly >> >>>> >> > placed. This>> >>>> >> > > chart shows the disruption very well.>> >>>> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ******************************************** >> >>>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, "Declaration of Independance">> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>

**********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>>> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~7.8 >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>> >>>> >> > period of >> >>>> >> > > Mars.>> >>>> >> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is>> >>>> >> > placed in H2 >> >>>> >> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by>> >>>> >> placement>>

>>>> >> > in H8.>> >>>> >> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted H4>> >>>> >> > somewhat.>> >>>> >> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly does >> >>>> >> > show>> >>>> >> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn>> >>>> >> chart.>> >> >> >> > If Sa>> >>>> >> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>>

>>>> >> > >>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ******************************************** >> >>>> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union ">> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8>> >>>> >>

> >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo). >> >>>> >> Sub>> >>>> >> > period>> >>>> >> > > of Venus>> >>>> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis >> >>>> >> > exactly>> >>>> >> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even houses>> >>>> >> > closely. >> >>>> >> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8>> >>>> >> > entering old>> >>>> >> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time the >> >>>> >> > 4th

shock>> >>>> >> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The event>> >>>> >> is>> >>>> >> > properly>> >>>> >> > > justified in this chart.>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> **********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ******************************************** >> >>>> >> > > The Rectified Chart, "Declaration of Independance">> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>

**********************************************************************>> >>>> >> > ********************************************>> >>>> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8 >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>> >>>> >> > period of >> >>>> >> > > Mars.>> >>>> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The axis>> >>>> >> > exactly >> >>>> >> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the>> >>>> >> > negative>>

>>>> >> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which >> >>>> >> afflicts>> >>>> >> > H8 where>> >>>> >> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is >> >>>> >> > placed in H2.>> >>>> >> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart>> >>>> >> shows >> >>>> >> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or>> >>>> >> > dire to H4>> >>>> >> > > or H1. >> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>

>> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Best regards,>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > Vyas Munidas>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>

January 17, 2007

Dear Jorge,

Regarding status in the Sc asc, the bad placement of both the significators

(Ju and Su) should be first seen through the lens of obsctuctions. The exact

impact of Jupiter on its own MTH from 8H blesses and strongly connects

status via easy gains primarily through the mundane significators of the 8H.

This Ju would also give the inhabitants an unnaturally strong involvement in

the occult area.

The afflictions and weakness take absolute precedence. Each chart may have

its own 'personality' as you have stated in different words, but the

principles of SA must applied unilaterally otherwise it would just be

confused classic Vedic Astrology.

I beg the guidance of our dear Professor if I am wrong.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:03 AM

Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

> My dear Vyas,

>

> Thanks for your kind words.

>

> Your ideas are always a precious contribution to this list and are

> welcome.

>

> Status and wealth are there as Jupiter is exactly aspecting H2 (wealth),

> its

> own MT, from H8 (easy gains and death). Regarding the leading role, I am

> not

> so sure. See how this war in Iraq came without the approval of the UN. A

> leader leads, motivates, does not behave alone.

>

> And in July 2 1776, they were not just separating from the English. They

> were taking on their shoulders the destiny of a new nation.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

> On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Jorge,

>>

>> If we assume for a moment that this is infact the USA natal chart, we

>> must

>> also consider the two fold requirement of astral remedy, viz propitiation

>> and strengthening. I think it's agreeable that the USA is the wealthiest

>> nation, the world leader, the country where practically any material

>> dream

>> can happen regardless of background etc etc.

>>

>> Propitiation via whatever effective method for countries have been

>> discussed

>> here and some is done, but what about the strengthening? Without

>> strengthening, weak planets cannot show extraordinary results. I imagine

>> that FB gems/yantras would have to be kept in appropriate governement

>> buildings and key officials would have to have strong planets or do

>> astral

>> remedies themselves.

>>

>> In this case, the event may be well rectified, but it may not be the

>> defining moment of the birth of a nation. Compare to a woman who gets a

>> divorce and married again a few years later. The divorce does not define

>> the

>> start of her second marriage, but it may explicitly define a new chapter

>> in

>> her life.

>>

>> Just my humble two cents Jorge, I hope it's well received. I have lots of

>> respect for your work and ability.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Vyas Munidas

>>

>> -

>> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> <SAMVA >

>> Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:35 AM

>> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> Francisco earthquake

>>

>> > Dear Vyas,

>> >

>> > you are right.

>> >

>> > All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer twice

>> > due

>> > to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of placement

>> > simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also placed

>> > in

>> > afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in H8,

>> but

>> > the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT house, which saves the

>> > USA

>> > status.

>> >

>> > This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4,

>> > creates

>> a

>> > generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good adviser

>> > for

>> > their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the

>> > nations

>> > may

>> > be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in

>> > H3,

>> > dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are

>> > still

>> > very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11,

>> > dispositor

>> > of

>> > Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a

>> spiritual

>> > reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).

>> >

>> > Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them

>> permanently.

>> >

>> > Best wishes,

>> >

>> > Jorge

>> >

>> > On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Dear Jorge,

>> >>

>> >> Thank you for your email.

>> >>

>> >> Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of 11H

>> >> containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said,

>> natal

>> >> LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming

>> >> significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa 60%.

>> >> These

>> >> transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance.

>> Taken

>> >> with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction

>> >> with

>> >> 3000

>> >> fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong about

>> >> the

>> >> liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for our

>> >> dear

>> >> Professor or Cosmologer.

>> >>

>> >> In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact

>> all

>> >> odd

>> >> houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point

>> about

>> >> a

>> >> planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other

>> >> planets

>> >> in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs the

>> >> open

>> >> question.

>> >>

>> >> I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are testing.

>> >>

>> >> Best regards,

>> >>

>> >> Vyas Munidas

>> >>

>> >> -

>> >> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> >> <SAMVA >

>> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM

>> >> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>> San

>> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >>

>> >> > Dear Vyas,

>> >> >

>> >> > you are right in your understanding.

>> >> >

>> >> > Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght in

>> >> > rashi,

>> >> > and it is afflicted in TTT.

>> >> >

>> >> > Best wishes,

>> >> >

>> >> > Jorge

>> >> >

>> >> > On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Dear Jorge,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the

>> rectified

>> >> >> chart.

>> >> >> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In

>> my

>> >> >> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events

>> >> >> concerning

>> >> >> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA

>> per

>> >> my

>> >> >> understanding.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Best regards,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Vyas Munidas

>> >> >>

>> >> >> -

>> >> >> " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> >> >> <SAMVA >

>> >> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM

>> >> >> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April

>> 18

>> >> San

>> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Dear C.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the

>> >> chart " .

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for

>> the

>> >> >> same

>> >> >> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air

>> >> >> accidents,

>> >> >> for

>> >> >> example.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in

>> dasha).

>> >> >> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we

>> consider

>> >> >> that

>> >> >> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical

>> mean

>> >> of

>> >> >> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its

>> >> >> house

>> >> >> of

>> >> >> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit

>> >> >> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1.

>> >> >> Transit

>> >> >> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in

>> H6,

>> >> in

>> >> >> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis

>> plus

>> >> the

>> >> >> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to

>> this

>> >> >> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit

>> Jupiter,

>> >> >> L12

>> >> >> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11

>> >> >> and

>> >> >> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Best wishes,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Jorge

>> >> >>

>> >> >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On

>> >> >> Behalf

>> >> >> Of

>> >> >> cosmologer

>> >> >> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

>> >> >> SAMVA

>> >> >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>> San

>> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Dear Vyas,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If

>> >> >> the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement)

>> >> >> but

>> >> >>

>> >> >> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on

>> the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in

>> >> >>

>> >> >> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

>> >> >>

>> >> >> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

>> >> >>

>> >> >> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this

>> >> >>

>> >> >> sense.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to

>> >> >> look

>> >> >>

>> >> >> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and

>> major

>> >> >>

>> >> >> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret

>> >> >>

>> >> >> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate

>> >> >>

>> >> >> predictions.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Best wishes,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> C

>> >> >>

>> >> >> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Dear C,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

>> >> >>

>> >> >> quite

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

>> >> >>

>> >> >> authenticated

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

>> >> >>

>> >> >> either chart,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA

>> >> >> > the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> April 18,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > The full account is given here

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

>> >> >>

>> >> >> and it

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > begins as follows:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an

>> >> >> > estimated

>> >> >>

>> >> >> 3,000

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco

>> >> >>

>> >> >> resulting

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside

>> >> >> > the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> city, it

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking

>> >> >>

>> >> >> in San

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> event

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> *******************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> *******************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

>> >> >>

>> >> >> closely

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Ra. Rahu is

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts

>> >> >>

>> >> >> natal LO10

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4

>> >> >>

>> >> >> and LO1

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > are clear, no explanation required.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> *******************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> *******************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

>> >> >>

>> >> >> house. Tr

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

>> >> >>

>> >> >> natal Ra from

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing

>> >> >> > related

>> >> >>

>> >> >> to this

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > significant event.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Best regards,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Vyas Munidas

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > -

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > <SAMVA >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Earthquakes

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Dear Vyas,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA

>> >> >> > USA

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> More

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the

>> >> >> > properties

>> >> >>

>> >> >> of

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last

>> year,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

>> >> >>

>> >> >> chart

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an

>> earthquake

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of

>> >> >> > this

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > authentic chart for the USA.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Best wishes,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > C

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Dear List,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Best regards,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > -

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Dear List,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > have started

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> account

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > of the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb

>> 1812.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> A

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > 1812.php#december_16

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > which begins the account as follows:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > kilometers), the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square

>> >> >> > > kilometers),

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > and the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi

>> River

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > valley

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the

>> United

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > States

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > associated

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > 1964 Alaska

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San

>> Francisco

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > earthquake. "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> rest

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > of it.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and

>> the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Rectified

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

>> >> >>

>> >> >> worst.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > The

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date

>> >> >> > > was

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > the most

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your

>> own

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands

>> out

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > is the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > justify - it

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > jumps out at you.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I

>> >> >> > > will

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > post the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of

>> historic

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these

>> >> >> > > events

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > given on

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

>> >> >>

>> >> >> post.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union

>> "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Sub

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > period

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > of Ve.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis

>> afflicts

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > their

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr

>> >> >> > > and

>> >> >>

>> >> >> na

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Ra

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > afflicts LO8

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > period of

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Mars.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Mo,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Me are

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house

>> or

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > any

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > inconsequential. Ju is

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed

>> in

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > H8. This

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > unafflicting.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union

>> "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>> >> >> > > ~7.8

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Sub

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > period

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > of Venus

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good

>> strength.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > LO4 Ve in

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and

>> >> >> > > transit

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > axis

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > close to all

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > placed. This

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > chart shows the disruption very well.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>> >> >> > > ~7.8

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > period of

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Mars.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > placed in H2

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

>> >> >>

>> >> >> placement

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > in H8.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted

>> >> >> > > H4

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > somewhat.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly

>> does

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > show

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

>> >> >>

>> >> >> chart.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > If Sa

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union

>> "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Sub

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > period

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > of Venus

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>> >> >> > > axis

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > exactly

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even

>> >> >> > > houses

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > closely.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > entering old

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time

>> the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > 4th shock

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The

>> >> >> > > event

>> >> >>

>> >> >> is

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > properly

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > justified in this chart.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > period of

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Mars.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>> >> >> > > axis

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > exactly

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > negative

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

>> >> >>

>> >> >> afflicts

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > H8 where

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > placed in H2.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart

>> >> >>

>> >> >> shows

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > dire to H4

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > or H1.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Best regards,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

January 17, 2007

Dear Vyas,

You are very right.

SA is to be applied, and it says:

MEASURING CAPACITY OF PLANETS

While studying the impact of a planet, depending upon its strength, during the course of its sub-period both the natal and transit positions of the planet under operation are to be studied.

The result of a particular house will be influenced by a transiting planet when it is near to its most effective point depending upon its functional nature whether benefic or malefic.

A weak planet, too, has the capacity to protect its house if it is well placed, unafflicted, under the beneficial influence of functional benefic planets through close a

spect/conjunction or aspects its own mooltrikona house.

If we look to Jupiter, its weakness is only due to the fact of being 54% combust (from a FB Sun) and badly placed. H8 is not afflicted and Jupiter is exactly placed over MEP8

, enhancing all the other planets placed there (please note that the Sun and Venus are only weak due to the fact of being badly placed), and exactly aspecting its own MT house. Besides, Jupiter also aspects H4 and H12, exactly. The longevity of the country is also favored by this auspicious placement of Jupiter. This is the great blessing of USA.

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Jorge,Regarding status in the Sc asc, the bad placement of both the significators(Ju and Su) should be first seen through the lens of obsctuctions. The exact

impact of Jupiter on its own MTH from 8H blesses and strongly connectsstatus via easy gains primarily through the mundane significators of the 8H.This Ju would also give the inhabitants an unnaturally strong involvement in

the occult area.The afflictions and weakness take absolute precedence. Each chart may haveits own 'personality' as you have stated in different words, but theprinciples of SA must applied unilaterally otherwise it would just be

confused classic Vedic Astrology.I beg the guidance of our dear Professor if I am wrong.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- " Jorge Angelino " <

jorge.angelino<SAMVA >Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:03 AMRe: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake> My dear Vyas,>> Thanks for your kind words.>> Your ideas are always a precious contribution to this list and are> welcome.>> Status and wealth are there as Jupiter is exactly aspecting H2 (wealth),

> its> own MT, from H8 (easy gains and death). Regarding the leading role, I am> not> so sure. See how this war in Iraq came without the approval of the UN. A> leader leads, motivates, does not behave alone.

>> And in July 2 1776, they were not just separating from the English. They> were taking on their shoulders the destiny of a new nation.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>

> On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:>>>> Dear Jorge,>>>> If we assume for a moment that this is infact the USA natal chart, we

>> must>> also consider the two fold requirement of astral remedy, viz propitiation>> and strengthening. I think it's agreeable that the USA is the wealthiest>> nation, the world leader, the country where practically any material

>> dream>> can happen regardless of background etc etc.>>>> Propitiation via whatever effective method for countries have been>> discussed>> here and some is done, but what about the strengthening? Without

>> strengthening, weak planets cannot show extraordinary results. I imagine>> that FB gems/yantras would have to be kept in appropriate governement>> buildings and key officials would have to have strong planets or do

>> astral>> remedies themselves.>>>> In this case, the event may be well rectified, but it may not be the>> defining moment of the birth of a nation. Compare to a woman who gets a

>> divorce and married again a few years later. The divorce does not define>> the>> start of her second marriage, but it may explicitly define a new chapter>> in>> her life.

>>>> Just my humble two cents Jorge, I hope it's well received. I have lots of>> respect for your work and ability.>>>>>> Best regards,>>>> Vyas Munidas

>>>>>> ->> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino>> <

SAMVA >>> Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:35 AM>> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San>> Francisco earthquake>>>>

>> > Dear Vyas,>> >>> > you are right.>> >>> > All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer twice>> > due>> > to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of placement

>> > simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also placed>> > in>> > afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in H8,>> but>> > the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT house, which saves the

>> > USA>> > status.>> >>> > This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4,>> > creates>> a>> > generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good adviser

>> > for>> > their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the>> > nations>> > may>> > be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in

>> > H3,>> > dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are>> > still>> > very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11,>> > dispositor

>> > of>> > Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a>> spiritual>> > reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).>> >>> > Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them

>> permanently.>> >>> > Best wishes,>> >>> > Jorge>> >>> >>> > On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <

muni> wrote:>> >>>> >> Dear Jorge,>> >>>> >> Thank you for your email.>> >>>> >> Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of 11H

>> >> containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said,>> natal>> >> LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming>> >> significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa 60%.

>> >> These>> >> transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance.>> Taken>> >> with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction

>> >> with>> >> 3000>> >> fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong about>> >> the>> >> liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for our

>> >> dear>> >> Professor or Cosmologer.>> >>>> >> In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact>> all>> >> odd

>> >> houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point>> about>> >> a>> >> planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other

>> >> planets>> >> in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs the>> >> open>> >> question.>> >>>> >> I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are testing.

>> >>>> >>>> >> Best regards,>> >>>> >> Vyas Munidas>> >>>> >>>> >> -

>> >> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino>> >> <SAMVA

>>> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM>> >> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18>> San>> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >>>> >>>> >> > Dear Vyas,>> >> >>> >> > you are right in your understanding.>> >> >>> >> > Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght in

>> >> > rashi,>> >> > and it is afflicted in TTT.>> >> >>> >> > Best wishes,>> >> >>> >> > Jorge>> >> >

>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:>> >> >>

>> >> >> Dear Jorge,>> >> >>>> >> >> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the>> rectified>> >> >> chart.

>> >> >> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH. In>> my>> >> >> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events>> >> >> concerning

>> >> >> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.>> >> >>>> >> >> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA>> per>> >> my

>> >> >> understanding.>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Best regards,>> >> >>>> >> >> Vyas Munidas

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> ->> >> >> " jorge angelino " <

jorge.angelino>> >> >> <SAMVA >>> >> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM>> >> >> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April

>> 18>> >> San>> >> >> Francisco earthquake>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Dear C.>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the>> >> chart " .>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for>> the>> >> >> same>> >> >> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air

>> >> >> accidents,>> >> >> for>> >> >> example.>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in>> dasha).>> >> >> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we

>> consider>> >> >> that>> >> >> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical>> mean>> >> of>> >> >> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its

>> >> >> house>> >> >> of>> >> >> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu. Transit>> >> >> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1.

>> >> >> Transit>> >> >> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in>> H6,

>> >> in>> >> >> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis>> plus>> >> the>> >> >> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to

>> this>> >> >> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit>> Jupiter,>> >> >> L12>> >> >> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11

>> >> >> and>> >> >> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>

>> >> >> Best wishes,>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Jorge>> >> >>>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> SAMVA [

SAMVA ] On>> >> >> Behalf>> >> >> Of>> >> >> cosmologer>> >> >> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

>> >> >> SAMVA >> >> >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18>> San>> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Dear Vyas,>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>

>> >> >> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If

>> >> >> the>> >> >>>> >> >> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement)>> >> >> but>> >> >>

>> >> >> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on>> the>> >> >>>> >> >> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely in

>> >> >>>> >> >> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact>> >> >>>> >> >> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

>> >> >>>> >> >> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this>> >> >>>> >> >> sense.>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to>> >> >> look>> >> >>

>> >> >> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and>> major>> >> >>>> >> >> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to interpret

>> >> >>>> >> >> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate>> >> >>>> >> >> predictions.>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> Best wishes,>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> C

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > Dear C,>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is>> >> >>>> >> >> quite>> >> >>>> >> >> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

>> >> >>>> >> >> authenticated>> >> >>>> >> >> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to>> >> >>

>> >> >> either chart,>> >> >>>> >> >> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.>> >> >>>> >> >> >

>> >> >>>> >> >> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA>> >> >> > the>> >> >>>> >> >> April 18,

>> >> >>>> >> >> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.>> >> >>>> >> >> > The full account is given here>> >> >>

>> >> >> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php>> >> >>>> >> >> and it

>> >> >>>> >> >> > begins as follows:>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history of

>> >> >>>> >> >> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an>> >> >> > estimated>> >> >>>> >> >> 3,000

>> >> >>>> >> >> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San Francisco>> >> >>>> >> >> resulting>> >> >>

>> >> >> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside>> >> >> > the>> >> >>>> >> >> city, it>> >> >>

>> >> >> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the shaking>> >> >>>> >> >> in San>> >> >>>> >> >> > Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the>> >> >>

>> >> >> event>> >> >>>> >> >> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>

>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8>> >> >>>> >> >> >

>> *******************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union "

>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> *******************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

>> >> >>>> >> >> closely>> >> >>>> >> >> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal>> >> >>

>> >> >> Ra. Rahu is>> >> >>>> >> >> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts>> >> >>>> >> >> natal LO10

>> >> >>>> >> >> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to LO4>> >> >>>> >> >> and LO1>> >> >>

>> >> >> > are clear, no explanation required.>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>

>> >> >> >>> *******************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> *******************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict any

>> >> >>>> >> >> house. Tr>> >> >>>> >> >> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by>> >> >>

>> >> >> natal Ra from>> >> >>>> >> >> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing>> >> >> > related>> >> >>

>> >> >> to this>> >> >>>> >> >> > significant event.>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>

>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > Best regards,>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > Vyas Munidas

>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > -

>> >> >>>> >> >> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer>> >> >>>> >> >> > <

SAMVA >>> >> >>>> >> >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM>> >> >>>> >> >> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

>> >> >>>> >> >> Earthquakes>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Dear Vyas,>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA

>> >> >> > USA>> >> >>>> >> >> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.>> >> >>>> >> >> More

>> >> >>>> >> >> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the>> >> >> > properties>> >> >>>> >> >> of

>> >> >>>> >> >> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what>> >> >>>> >> >> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last

>> year,>> >> >>>> >> >> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic>> >> >>>> >> >> chart>> >> >>

>> >> >> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an>> earthquake>> >> >>>> >> >> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of

>> >> >> > this>> >> >>>> >> >> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the>> >> >>>> >> >> > authentic chart for the USA.

>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> > Best wishes,>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > C>> >> >>>> >> >> > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Dear List,>> >> >>>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Best regards,>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > ->> >> >>>> >> >> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>>> >> >>>> >> >> > > <

SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Dear List,>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA, I

>> >> >>>> >> >> > have started>> >> >>>> >> >> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the>> >> >>

>> >> >> account>> >> >>>> >> >> > of the>> >> >>>> >> >> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb

>> 1812.>> >> >>>> >> >> A>> >> >>>> >> >> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811->> >> >>>> >> >> > 1812.php#december_16>> >> >>>> >> >> > > which begins the account as follows:>> >> >>>> >> >> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>> >> >>>> >> >> > kilometers), the>> >> >>>> >> >> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square>> >> >> > > kilometers),

>> >> >>>> >> >> > and the>> >> >>>> >> >> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi>> River

>> >> >>>> >> >> > valley>> >> >>>> >> >> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the>> United

>> >> >>>> >> >> > States>> >> >>>> >> >> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking>> >> >>

>> >> >> > associated>> >> >>>> >> >> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of the>> >> >>>> >> >> > 1964 Alaska

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San>> Francisco>> >> >>>> >> >> > > earthquake. "

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the>> >> >>

>> >> >> rest>> >> >>>> >> >> > of it.>> >> >>>> >> >> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and

>> the>> >> >>>> >> >> > Rectified>> >> >>>> >> >> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

>> >> >>>> >> >> worst.>> >> >>>> >> >> > The>> >> >>>> >> >> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date

>> >> >> > > was>> >> >>>> >> >> > the most>> >> >>>> >> >> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your

>> own>> >> >>>> >> >> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands>> out>> >> >>>> >> >> > is the

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to>> >> >>>> >> >> > justify - it>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > jumps out at you.>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I

>> >> >> > > will>> >> >>>> >> >> > post the>> >> >>>> >> >> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of

>> historic>> >> >>>> >> >> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these>> >> >> > > events>> >> >>

>> >> >> > given on>> >> >>>> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php

and>> >> >>>> >> >> post.>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union>> " >> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>> >> >>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).>> >> >>

>> >> >> Sub>> >> >>>> >> >> > period>> >> >>>> >> >> > > of Ve.>> >> >>>> >> >> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis

>> afflicts>> >> >>>> >> >> > their>> >> >>>> >> >> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr

>> >> >> > > and>> >> >>>> >> >> na>> >> >>>> >> >> > Ra>> >> >>>> >> >> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

>> >> >>>> >> >> > afflicts LO8>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>

>> **********************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " >> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1>> >> >>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude ~8.1

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>> >> >>

>> >> >> > period of>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Mars.>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted. FB

>> >> >>>> >> >> Mo,>> >> >>>> >> >> > Me are>> >> >>>> >> >> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that house

>> or>> >> >>>> >> >> > any>> >> >>>> >> >> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but>> >> >>

>> >> >> > inconsequential. Ju is>> >> >>>> >> >> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly placed>> in>> >> >>

>> >> >> > H8. This>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and>> >> >>>> >> >> > unafflicting.

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union

>> " >> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>> >> >> > > ~7.8>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).

>> >> >>>> >> >> Sub>> >> >>>> >> >> > period>> >> >>>> >> >> > > of Venus>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good>> strength.>> >> >>>> >> >> > LO4 Ve in>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and>> >> >> > > transit>> >> >>>> >> >> > axis>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are>> >> >>>> >> >> > close to all>> >> >>>> >> >> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

>> >> >>>> >> >> > placed. This>> >> >>>> >> >> > > chart shows the disruption very well.>> >> >>>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>> >> >> > > ~7.8>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>> >> >>>> >> >> > period of>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Mars.>> >> >>>> >> >> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

>> >> >>>> >> >> > placed in H2>> >> >>>> >> >> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by>> >> >>

>> >> >> placement>> >> >>>> >> >> > in H8.>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted

>> >> >> > > H4>> >> >>>> >> >> > somewhat.>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly

>> does>> >> >>>> >> >> > show>> >> >>>> >> >> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

>> >> >>>> >> >> chart.>> >> >>>> >> >> > If Sa>> >> >>>> >> >> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union>> " >> >> >>>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************>> >> >>

>> >> >> > ********************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1 (Mo).>> >> >>>> >> >> Sub

>> >> >>>> >> >> > period>> >> >>>> >> >> > > of Venus>> >> >>>> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>> >> >> > > axis>> >> >>>> >> >> > exactly>> >> >>>> >> >> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even

>> >> >> > > houses>> >> >>>> >> >> > closely.>> >> >>>> >> >> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

>> >> >>>> >> >> > entering old>> >> >>>> >> >> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time>> the

>> >> >>>> >> >> > 4th shock>> >> >>>> >> >> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The>> >> >> > > event

>> >> >>>> >> >> is>> >> >>>> >> >> > properly>> >> >>>> >> >> > > justified in this chart.

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance " >> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> **********************************************************************>> >> >>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub>> >> >>>> >> >> > period of>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Mars.

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The>> >> >> > > axis>> >> >>>> >> >> > exactly

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces the>> >> >>>> >> >> > negative>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which>> >> >>>> >> >> afflicts>> >> >>>> >> >> > H8 where

>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is>> >> >>>> >> >> > placed in H2.>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart>> >> >>>> >> >> shows>> >> >>>> >> >> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic or

>> >> >>>> >> >> > dire to H4>> >> >>>> >> >> > > or H1.>> >> >>>> >> >> > >

>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> > > Best regards,>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>

>> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas>> >> >>>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>

January 17, 2007

Dear Jorge,

You quoted:

" A weak planet, too, has the capacity to protect its house if it is WELL

PLACED, unafflicted, under the beneficial influence of functional benefic

planets through close a spect/conjunction or aspects its own mooltrikona

house "

Good placement, is the first key requirement in this paragraph which you

have not highlighted. Aspect to its MTH is helpful, but by SA this planet

is certainly weak - badly placed and combust 54%. Good results are possible,

but with inordinate delay.

The LO10 Sun, secondary significator for Status in the Sc asc, is in wide

asp to this Ju and to the MEP. It too cannot help because of the bad

placement and in this case harms Ju by combustion.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:59 PM

Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

> Dear Vyas,

>

> You are very right.

>

> SA is to be applied, and it says:

> **

> *MEASURING CAPACITY OF PLANETS*

>

> While studying the impact of a planet, depending upon its strength, during

> the course of its sub-period both the natal and transit positions of the

> planet under operation are to be studied.

>

> The result of a particular house will be influenced by a transiting planet

> when it is near to its most effective point depending upon its functional

> nature whether benefic or malefic.

>

> A weak planet, too, has the capacity to protect its house if it is well

> placed, unafflicted, under the beneficial influence of functional benefic

> planets through close aspect/conjunction or aspects its own mooltrikona

> house.

> If we look to Jupiter, its weakness is only due to the fact of being 54%

> combust (*from a FB Sun*) and badly placed. *H8 is not afflicted* *and

> Jupiter is exactly placed over MEP8*, *enhancing all the other planets

> placed there (please note that the Sun and Venus are only weak due to the

> fact of being badly placed), and exactly aspecting its own MT house*.

> *Besides,

> Jupiter also aspects H4 and H12, exactly. *The longevity of the country is

> also favored by this auspicious placement of Jupiter. This is the great

> blessing of USA.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

> On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Jorge,

>>

>> Regarding status in the Sc asc, the bad placement of both the

>> significators

>> (Ju and Su) should be first seen through the lens of obsctuctions. The

>> exact

>> impact of Jupiter on its own MTH from 8H blesses and strongly connects

>> status via easy gains primarily through the mundane significators of the

>> 8H.

>> This Ju would also give the inhabitants an unnaturally strong involvement

>> in

>> the occult area.

>>

>> The afflictions and weakness take absolute precedence. Each chart may

>> have

>> its own 'personality' as you have stated in different words, but the

>> principles of SA must applied unilaterally otherwise it would just be

>> confused classic Vedic Astrology.

>>

>> I beg the guidance of our dear Professor if I am wrong.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Vyas Munidas

>>

>> -

>> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> <SAMVA >

>> Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:03 AM

>> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> Francisco earthquake

>>

>> > My dear Vyas,

>> >

>> > Thanks for your kind words.

>> >

>> > Your ideas are always a precious contribution to this list and are

>> > welcome.

>> >

>> > Status and wealth are there as Jupiter is exactly aspecting H2

>> > (wealth),

>> > its

>> > own MT, from H8 (easy gains and death). Regarding the leading role, I

>> > am

>> > not

>> > so sure. See how this war in Iraq came without the approval of the UN.

>> > A

>> > leader leads, motivates, does not behave alone.

>> >

>> > And in July 2 1776, they were not just separating from the English.

>> > They

>> > were taking on their shoulders the destiny of a new nation.

>> >

>> > Best wishes,

>> >

>> > Jorge

>> >

>> > On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Dear Jorge,

>> >>

>> >> If we assume for a moment that this is infact the USA natal chart, we

>> >> must

>> >> also consider the two fold requirement of astral remedy, viz

>> propitiation

>> >> and strengthening. I think it's agreeable that the USA is the

>> wealthiest

>> >> nation, the world leader, the country where practically any material

>> >> dream

>> >> can happen regardless of background etc etc.

>> >>

>> >> Propitiation via whatever effective method for countries have been

>> >> discussed

>> >> here and some is done, but what about the strengthening? Without

>> >> strengthening, weak planets cannot show extraordinary results. I

>> imagine

>> >> that FB gems/yantras would have to be kept in appropriate governement

>> >> buildings and key officials would have to have strong planets or do

>> >> astral

>> >> remedies themselves.

>> >>

>> >> In this case, the event may be well rectified, but it may not be the

>> >> defining moment of the birth of a nation. Compare to a woman who gets

>> >> a

>> >> divorce and married again a few years later. The divorce does not

>> define

>> >> the

>> >> start of her second marriage, but it may explicitly define a new

>> chapter

>> >> in

>> >> her life.

>> >>

>> >> Just my humble two cents Jorge, I hope it's well received. I have lots

>> of

>> >> respect for your work and ability.

>> >>

>> >> Best regards,

>> >>

>> >> Vyas Munidas

>> >>

>> >> -

>> >> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> >> <SAMVA >

>> >> Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:35 AM

>> >> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>> San

>> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >>

>> >> > Dear Vyas,

>> >> >

>> >> > you are right.

>> >> >

>> >> > All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer

>> twice

>> >> > due

>> >> > to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of

>> placement

>> >> > simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also

>> >> > placed

>> >> > in

>> >> > afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in

>> >> > H8,

>> >> but

>> >> > the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT house, which saves

>> the

>> >> > USA

>> >> > status.

>> >> >

>> >> > This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4,

>> >> > creates

>> >> a

>> >> > generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good

>> adviser

>> >> > for

>> >> > their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the

>> >> > nations

>> >> > may

>> >> > be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in

>> >> > H3,

>> >> > dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are

>> >> > still

>> >> > very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11,

>> >> > dispositor

>> >> > of

>> >> > Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a

>> >> spiritual

>> >> > reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).

>> >> >

>> >> > Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them

>> >> permanently.

>> >> >

>> >> > Best wishes,

>> >> >

>> >> > Jorge

>> >> >

>> >> > On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Dear Jorge,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Thank you for your email.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of

>> 11H

>> >> >> containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said,

>> >> natal

>> >> >> LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming

>> >> >> significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa

>> 60%.

>> >> >> These

>> >> >> transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance.

>> >> Taken

>> >> >> with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction

>> >> >> with

>> >> >> 3000

>> >> >> fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong

>> about

>> >> >> the

>> >> >> liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for

>> our

>> >> >> dear

>> >> >> Professor or Cosmologer.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in

>> >> >> fact

>> >> all

>> >> >> odd

>> >> >> houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point

>> >> about

>> >> >> a

>> >> >> planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other

>> >> >> planets

>> >> >> in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs

>> the

>> >> >> open

>> >> >> question.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are

>> testing.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Best regards,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Vyas Munidas

>> >> >>

>> >> >> -

>> >> >> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> >> >> <SAMVA >

>> >> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM

>> >> >> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April

>> 18

>> >> San

>> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > Dear Vyas,

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > you are right in your understanding.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght

>> in

>> >> >> > rashi,

>> >> >> > and it is afflicted in TTT.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Best wishes,

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Jorge

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Dear Jorge,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the

>> >> rectified

>> >> >> >> chart.

>> >> >> >> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH.

>> In

>> >> my

>> >> >> >> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events

>> >> >> >> concerning

>> >> >> >> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in

>> SA

>> >> per

>> >> >> my

>> >> >> >> understanding.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Best regards,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Vyas Munidas

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> -

>> >> >> >> " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> >> >> >> <SAMVA >

>> >> >> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM

>> >> >> >> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906

>> April

>> >> 18

>> >> >> San

>> >> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Dear C.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the

>> >> >> chart " .

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events

>> for

>> >> the

>> >> >> >> same

>> >> >> >> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air

>> >> >> >> accidents,

>> >> >> >> for

>> >> >> >> example.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in

>> >> dasha).

>> >> >> >> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we

>> >> consider

>> >> >> >> that

>> >> >> >> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical

>> >> mean

>> >> >> of

>> >> >> >> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of

>> >> >> >> its

>> >> >> >> house

>> >> >> >> of

>> >> >> >> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu.

>> Transit

>> >> >> >> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1.

>> >> >> >> Transit

>> >> >> >> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed

>> >> >> >> in

>> >> H6,

>> >> >> in

>> >> >> >> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis

>> >> plus

>> >> >> the

>> >> >> >> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close

>> >> >> >> to

>> >> this

>> >> >> >> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit

>> >> Jupiter,

>> >> >> >> L12

>> >> >> >> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6,

>> D11

>> >> >> >> and

>> >> >> >> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over

>> >> >> >> MEP5.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Best wishes,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Jorge

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On

>> >> >> >> Behalf

>> >> >> >> Of

>> >> >> >> cosmologer

>> >> >> >> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

>> >> >> >> SAMVA

>> >> >> >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April

>> >> >> >> 18

>> >> San

>> >> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Dear Vyas,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If

>> >> >> >> the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement)

>> >> >> >> but

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact

>> >> >> >> on

>> >> the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely

>> in

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly

>> in

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in

>> this

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> sense.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to

>> >> >> >> look

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and

>> >> major

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to

>> interpret

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most

>> accurate

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> predictions.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Best wishes,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> C

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>> >> >> >> wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Dear C,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart

>> is

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> quite

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> authenticated

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> either chart,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA

>> >> >> >> > the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> April 18,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > The full account is given here

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> and it

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > begins as follows:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history

>> of

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an

>> >> >> >> > estimated

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> 3,000

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San

>> Francisco

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> resulting

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside

>> >> >> >> > the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> city, it

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the

>> shaking

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> in San

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows

>> >> >> >> > the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> event

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude

>> >> >> >> > 7.8

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> *******************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>> >> >> >> > Union

>> "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> *******************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> closely

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to

>> natal

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Ra. Rahu is

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju

>> >> >> >> > afflicts

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> natal LO10

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to

>> LO4

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> and LO1

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > are clear, no explanation required.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> *******************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> *******************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict

>> any

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> house. Tr

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> natal Ra from

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing

>> >> >> >> > related

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> to this

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > significant event.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Best regards,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Vyas Munidas

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > -

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > <SAMVA >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Earthquakes

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Dear Vyas,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA

>> >> >> >> > USA

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events

>> examined.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> More

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the

>> >> >> >> > properties

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> of

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into

>> what

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last

>> >> year,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the

>> >> >> >> > authentic

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> chart

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an

>> >> earthquake

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of

>> >> >> >> > this

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as

>> the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > authentic chart for the USA.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Best wishes,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > C

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Dear List,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Best regards,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > -

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Dear List,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the

>> >> >> >> > > USA,

>> I

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > have started

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> account

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > of the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb

>> >> 1812.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> A

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > 1812.php#december_16

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > which begins the account as follows:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > kilometers), the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square

>> >> >> >> > > kilometers),

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > and the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi

>> >> River

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > valley

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the

>> >> United

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > States

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong

>> >> >> >> > > shaking

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > associated

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of

>> the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > 1964 Alaska

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San

>> >> Francisco

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > earthquake. "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read

>> the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> rest

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > of it.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA

>> >> >> >> > > and

>> >> the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Rectified

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> worst.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > The

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date

>> >> >> >> > > was

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > the most

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw

>> your

>> >> own

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what

>> >> >> >> > > stands

>> >> out

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > is the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply

>> to

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > justify - it

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > jumps out at you.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I

>> >> >> >> > > will

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > post the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of

>> >> historic

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these

>> >> >> >> > > events

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > given on

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php

>> >> >> >> > > and

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> post.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>> Union

>> >> "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>> ~8.1

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>> ~8.1

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>> (Mo).

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Sub

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > period

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > of Ve.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis

>> >> afflicts

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > their

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr

>> >> >> >> > > and

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> na

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Ra

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12,

>> closely

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > afflicts LO8

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed

>> >> >> >> > > eqrthquakes.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>> ~8.1

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>> ~8.1

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1.

>> Sub

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > period of

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Mars.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted.

>> FB

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Mo,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > Me are

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that

>> house

>> >> or

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > any

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > inconsequential. Ju is

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly

>> placed

>> >> in

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > H8. This

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > unafflicting.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>> Union

>> >> "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>> >> >> >> > > ~7.8

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>> (Mo).

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Sub

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > period

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > of Venus

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good

>> >> strength.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > LO4 Ve in

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and

>> >> >> >> > > transit

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > axis

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and

>> are

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > close to all

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are

>> >> >> >> > > badly

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > placed. This

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > chart shows the disruption very well.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>> >> >> >> > > ~7.8

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1.

>> Sub

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > period of

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Mars.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn

>> >> >> >> > > is

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > placed in H2

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> placement

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > in H8.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an

>> >> >> >> > > afflicted

>> >> >> >> > > H4

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > somewhat.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly

>> >> does

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > show

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> chart.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > If Sa

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>> Union

>> >> "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>> ~8

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>> (Mo).

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Sub

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > period

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > of Venus

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>> >> >> >> > > axis

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > exactly

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even

>> >> >> >> > > houses

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > closely.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > entering old

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the

>> >> >> >> > > time

>> >> the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > 4th shock

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The

>> >> >> >> > > event

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> is

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > properly

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > justified in this chart.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> **********************************************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > ********************************************

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>> ~8

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1.

>> Sub

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > period of

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Mars.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>> >> >> >> > > axis

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > exactly

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces

>> the

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > negative

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> afflicts

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > H8 where

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and

>> is

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > placed in H2.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This

>> >> >> >> > > chart

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> shows

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic

>> or

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > dire to H4

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > or H1.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Best regards,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

January 17, 2007

Hello dear Vyas,

You are right. The principles are to be applied in the same manner in all

situations.

Both charts under focus have been drawn in the historical background.

Those trying to find the aunthentic chart must have open mind and without

any attachment to either of the charts. At this stage the reference drawn

by dear Mr. Angelino from the Supreme Yoga is very relevant - one should be

devoid of attachment.

To me the Cancer rising chart appeared to be better on the basis of the

natal promise. Wherever transit influences are not giving clearcut verdict

the natal chart is to be examined in detail to reach to a conclusion.

So, better confidence will ultimately be attained with passage of time and

with experience.

Best wishes,

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:14 AM

Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

> Dear Jorge,

>

> Regarding status in the Sc asc, the bad placement of both the

> significators

> (Ju and Su) should be first seen through the lens of obsctuctions. The

> exact

> impact of Jupiter on its own MTH from 8H blesses and strongly connects

> status via easy gains primarily through the mundane significators of the

> 8H.

> This Ju would also give the inhabitants an unnaturally strong involvement

> in

> the occult area.

>

> The afflictions and weakness take absolute precedence. Each chart may have

> its own 'personality' as you have stated in different words, but the

> principles of SA must applied unilaterally otherwise it would just be

> confused classic Vedic Astrology.

>

> I beg the guidance of our dear Professor if I am wrong.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

> <SAMVA >

> Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:03 AM

> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

> Francisco earthquake

>

>> My dear Vyas,

>>

>> Thanks for your kind words.

>>

>> Your ideas are always a precious contribution to this list and are

>> welcome.

>>

>> Status and wealth are there as Jupiter is exactly aspecting H2 (wealth),

>> its

>> own MT, from H8 (easy gains and death). Regarding the leading role, I am

>> not

>> so sure. See how this war in Iraq came without the approval of the UN. A

>> leader leads, motivates, does not behave alone.

>>

>> And in July 2 1776, they were not just separating from the English. They

>> were taking on their shoulders the destiny of a new nation.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>>

>> Jorge

>>

>> On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Jorge,

>>>

>>> If we assume for a moment that this is infact the USA natal chart, we

>>> must

>>> also consider the two fold requirement of astral remedy, viz

>>> propitiation

>>> and strengthening. I think it's agreeable that the USA is the wealthiest

>>> nation, the world leader, the country where practically any material

>>> dream

>>> can happen regardless of background etc etc.

>>>

>>> Propitiation via whatever effective method for countries have been

>>> discussed

>>> here and some is done, but what about the strengthening? Without

>>> strengthening, weak planets cannot show extraordinary results. I imagine

>>> that FB gems/yantras would have to be kept in appropriate governement

>>> buildings and key officials would have to have strong planets or do

>>> astral

>>> remedies themselves.

>>>

>>> In this case, the event may be well rectified, but it may not be the

>>> defining moment of the birth of a nation. Compare to a woman who gets a

>>> divorce and married again a few years later. The divorce does not define

>>> the

>>> start of her second marriage, but it may explicitly define a new chapter

>>> in

>>> her life.

>>>

>>> Just my humble two cents Jorge, I hope it's well received. I have lots

>>> of

>>> respect for your work and ability.

>>>

>>> Best regards,

>>>

>>> Vyas Munidas

>>>

>>> -

>>> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>>> <SAMVA >

>>> Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:35 AM

>>> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>>> San

>>> Francisco earthquake

>>>

>>> > Dear Vyas,

>>> >

>>> > you are right.

>>> >

>>> > All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer

>>> > twice

>>> > due

>>> > to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of

>>> > placement

>>> > simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also placed

>>> > in

>>> > afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in H8,

>>> but

>>> > the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT house, which saves

>>> > the

>>> > USA

>>> > status.

>>> >

>>> > This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4,

>>> > creates

>>> a

>>> > generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good

>>> > adviser

>>> > for

>>> > their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the

>>> > nations

>>> > may

>>> > be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in

>>> > H3,

>>> > dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are

>>> > still

>>> > very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11,

>>> > dispositor

>>> > of

>>> > Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a

>>> spiritual

>>> > reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).

>>> >

>>> > Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them

>>> permanently.

>>> >

>>> > Best wishes,

>>> >

>>> > Jorge

>>> >

>>> > On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>> >>

>>> >> Dear Jorge,

>>> >>

>>> >> Thank you for your email.

>>> >>

>>> >> Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of 11H

>>> >> containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said,

>>> natal

>>> >> LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming

>>> >> significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa 60%.

>>> >> These

>>> >> transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance.

>>> Taken

>>> >> with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction

>>> >> with

>>> >> 3000

>>> >> fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong

>>> >> about

>>> >> the

>>> >> liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for

>>> >> our

>>> >> dear

>>> >> Professor or Cosmologer.

>>> >>

>>> >> In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact

>>> all

>>> >> odd

>>> >> houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point

>>> about

>>> >> a

>>> >> planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other

>>> >> planets

>>> >> in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs

>>> >> the

>>> >> open

>>> >> question.

>>> >>

>>> >> I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are testing.

>>> >>

>>> >> Best regards,

>>> >>

>>> >> Vyas Munidas

>>> >>

>>> >> -

>>> >> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>>> >> <SAMVA >

>>> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM

>>> >> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>>> San

>>> >> Francisco earthquake

>>> >>

>>> >> > Dear Vyas,

>>> >> >

>>> >> > you are right in your understanding.

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght

>>> >> > in

>>> >> > rashi,

>>> >> > and it is afflicted in TTT.

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Best wishes,

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Jorge

>>> >> >

>>> >> > On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Dear Jorge,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the

>>> rectified

>>> >> >> chart.

>>> >> >> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH.

>>> >> >> In

>>> my

>>> >> >> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events

>>> >> >> concerning

>>> >> >> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in SA

>>> per

>>> >> my

>>> >> >> understanding.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Best regards,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Vyas Munidas

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> -

>>> >> >> " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino

>>> >> >> <SAMVA >

>>> >> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM

>>> >> >> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April

>>> 18

>>> >> San

>>> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Dear C.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the

>>> >> chart " .

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events for

>>> the

>>> >> >> same

>>> >> >> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air

>>> >> >> accidents,

>>> >> >> for

>>> >> >> example.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in

>>> dasha).

>>> >> >> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we

>>> consider

>>> >> >> that

>>> >> >> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical

>>> mean

>>> >> of

>>> >> >> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its

>>> >> >> house

>>> >> >> of

>>> >> >> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu.

>>> >> >> Transit

>>> >> >> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1.

>>> >> >> Transit

>>> >> >> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in

>>> H6,

>>> >> in

>>> >> >> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis

>>> plus

>>> >> the

>>> >> >> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to

>>> this

>>> >> >> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit

>>> Jupiter,

>>> >> >> L12

>>> >> >> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6,

>>> >> >> D11

>>> >> >> and

>>> >> >> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Best wishes,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Jorge

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On

>>> >> >> Behalf

>>> >> >> Of

>>> >> >> cosmologer

>>> >> >> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

>>> >> >> SAMVA

>>> >> >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>>> San

>>> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Dear Vyas,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If

>>> >> >> the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement)

>>> >> >> but

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on

>>> the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely

>>> >> >> in

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly in

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in this

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> sense.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to

>>> >> >> look

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and

>>> major

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to

>>> >> >> interpret

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most accurate

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> predictions.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Best wishes,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> C

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Dear C,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart is

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> quite

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> authenticated

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> either chart,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA

>>> >> >> > the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> April 18,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > The full account is given here

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> and it

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > begins as follows:

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history

>>> >> >> > of

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an

>>> >> >> > estimated

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> 3,000

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San

>>> >> >> > Francisco

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> resulting

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside

>>> >> >> > the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> city, it

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the

>>> >> >> > shaking

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> in San

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> event

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> *******************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union

>>> >> >> > "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> *******************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> closely

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to natal

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Ra. Rahu is

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> natal LO10

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to

>>> >> >> > LO4

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> and LO1

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > are clear, no explanation required.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> *******************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> *******************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict

>>> >> >> > any

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> house. Tr

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> natal Ra from

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing

>>> >> >> > related

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> to this

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > significant event.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Best regards,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Vyas Munidas

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > -

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > <SAMVA >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Earthquakes

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Dear Vyas,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA

>>> >> >> > USA

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events examined.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> More

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the

>>> >> >> > properties

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> of

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into what

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last

>>> year,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> chart

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an

>>> earthquake

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of

>>> >> >> > this

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > authentic chart for the USA.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Best wishes,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > C

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Dear List,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Best regards,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > -

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Dear List,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA,

>>> >> >> > > I

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > have started

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> account

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > of the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb

>>> 1812.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> A

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > 1812.php#december_16

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > which begins the account as follows:

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > kilometers), the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square

>>> >> >> > > kilometers),

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > and the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi

>>> River

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > valley

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the

>>> United

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > States

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > associated

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of

>>> >> >> > > the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > 1964 Alaska

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San

>>> Francisco

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > earthquake. "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> rest

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > of it.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and

>>> the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Rectified

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> worst.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > The

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date

>>> >> >> > > was

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > the most

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw your

>>> own

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands

>>> out

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > is the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply to

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > justify - it

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > jumps out at you.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I

>>> >> >> > > will

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > post the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of

>>> historic

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these

>>> >> >> > > events

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > given on

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> post.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>>> >> >> > > Union

>>> "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>>> >> >> > > ~8.1

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>>> >> >> > > ~8.1

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>>> >> >> > > (Mo).

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Sub

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > period

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > of Ve.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis

>>> afflicts

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > their

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr

>>> >> >> > > and

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> na

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Ra

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12, closely

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > afflicts LO8

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>>> >> >> > > ~8.1

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>>> >> >> > > ~8.1

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > period of

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Mars.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted.

>>> >> >> > > FB

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Mo,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > Me are

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that

>>> >> >> > > house

>>> or

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > any

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > inconsequential. Ju is

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly

>>> >> >> > > placed

>>> in

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > H8. This

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > unafflicting.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>>> >> >> > > Union

>>> "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>>> >> >> > > ~7.8

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>>> >> >> > > (Mo).

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Sub

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > period

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > of Venus

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good

>>> strength.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > LO4 Ve in

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and

>>> >> >> > > transit

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > axis

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and are

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > close to all

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > placed. This

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > chart shows the disruption very well.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>>> >> >> > > ~7.8

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > period of

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Mars.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > placed in H2

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> placement

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > in H8.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted

>>> >> >> > > H4

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > somewhat.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly

>>> does

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > show

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> chart.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > If Sa

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>>> >> >> > > Union

>>> "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>>> >> >> > > (Mo).

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> Sub

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > period

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > of Venus

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>>> >> >> > > axis

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > exactly

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even

>>> >> >> > > houses

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > closely.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > entering old

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time

>>> the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > 4th shock

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The

>>> >> >> > > event

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> is

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > properly

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > justified in this chart.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

>>> **********************************************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude ~8

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1. Sub

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > period of

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Mars.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>>> >> >> > > axis

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > exactly

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces

>>> >> >> > > the

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > negative

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> afflicts

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > H8 where

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and is

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > placed in H2.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> shows

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic

>>> >> >> > > or

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > dire to H4

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > or H1.

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Best regards,

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> > >

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >>

January 17, 2007

Dearest Professor,

Thank you for your kind input.

I fully agree on the points of no attachment to either chart. I have stated

the same to Cosmologer and will reject the Cn chart should the predictions

not come to pass. We'll just have to patiently wait. It's already in motion

per our discussion of further military involvement. May I add, when I saw

this in the chart and enquired from you about such possibility, I hadn't

been looking at any news in weeks - this is to the credit to a possible

accurate chart and not my own.

My points of contention mainly concerns the application of SA principles

regardless of which chart it is. My knowledge of SA and experience are by no

means expert like Cosmologer or Jorge, but I focus on the core principles.

By your kind guidance, patience and help, some progress is happening. Thank

you.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:40 PM

Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

Francisco earthquake

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> You are right. The principles are to be applied in the same manner in all

> situations.

>

> Both charts under focus have been drawn in the historical background.

>

> Those trying to find the aunthentic chart must have open mind and without

> any attachment to either of the charts. At this stage the reference

> drawn

> by dear Mr. Angelino from the Supreme Yoga is very relevant - one should

> be

> devoid of attachment.

>

> To me the Cancer rising chart appeared to be better on the basis of the

> natal promise. Wherever transit influences are not giving clearcut verdict

> the natal chart is to be examined in detail to reach to a conclusion.

>

> So, better confidence will ultimately be attained with passage of time and

> with experience.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> <SAMVA >

> Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:14 AM

> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

> Francisco earthquake

>

>> Dear Jorge,

>>

>> Regarding status in the Sc asc, the bad placement of both the

>> significators

>> (Ju and Su) should be first seen through the lens of obsctuctions. The

>> exact

>> impact of Jupiter on its own MTH from 8H blesses and strongly connects

>> status via easy gains primarily through the mundane significators of the

>> 8H.

>> This Ju would also give the inhabitants an unnaturally strong involvement

>> in

>> the occult area.

>>

>> The afflictions and weakness take absolute precedence. Each chart may

>> have

>> its own 'personality' as you have stated in different words, but the

>> principles of SA must applied unilaterally otherwise it would just be

>> confused classic Vedic Astrology.

>>

>> I beg the guidance of our dear Professor if I am wrong.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Vyas Munidas

>>

>> -

>> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> <SAMVA >

>> Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:03 AM

>> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18 San

>> Francisco earthquake

>>

>>> My dear Vyas,

>>>

>>> Thanks for your kind words.

>>>

>>> Your ideas are always a precious contribution to this list and are

>>> welcome.

>>>

>>> Status and wealth are there as Jupiter is exactly aspecting H2 (wealth),

>>> its

>>> own MT, from H8 (easy gains and death). Regarding the leading role, I am

>>> not

>>> so sure. See how this war in Iraq came without the approval of the UN. A

>>> leader leads, motivates, does not behave alone.

>>>

>>> And in July 2 1776, they were not just separating from the English. They

>>> were taking on their shoulders the destiny of a new nation.

>>>

>>> Best wishes,

>>>

>>> Jorge

>>>

>>> On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Jorge,

>>>>

>>>> If we assume for a moment that this is infact the USA natal chart, we

>>>> must

>>>> also consider the two fold requirement of astral remedy, viz

>>>> propitiation

>>>> and strengthening. I think it's agreeable that the USA is the

>>>> wealthiest

>>>> nation, the world leader, the country where practically any material

>>>> dream

>>>> can happen regardless of background etc etc.

>>>>

>>>> Propitiation via whatever effective method for countries have been

>>>> discussed

>>>> here and some is done, but what about the strengthening? Without

>>>> strengthening, weak planets cannot show extraordinary results. I

>>>> imagine

>>>> that FB gems/yantras would have to be kept in appropriate governement

>>>> buildings and key officials would have to have strong planets or do

>>>> astral

>>>> remedies themselves.

>>>>

>>>> In this case, the event may be well rectified, but it may not be the

>>>> defining moment of the birth of a nation. Compare to a woman who gets a

>>>> divorce and married again a few years later. The divorce does not

>>>> define

>>>> the

>>>> start of her second marriage, but it may explicitly define a new

>>>> chapter

>>>> in

>>>> her life.

>>>>

>>>> Just my humble two cents Jorge, I hope it's well received. I have lots

>>>> of

>>>> respect for your work and ability.

>>>>

>>>> Best regards,

>>>>

>>>> Vyas Munidas

>>>>

>>>> -

>>>> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>>>> <SAMVA >

>>>> Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:35 AM

>>>> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>>>> San

>>>> Francisco earthquake

>>>>

>>>> > Dear Vyas,

>>>> >

>>>> > you are right.

>>>> >

>>>> > All odd houses are exactly afflicted. Mercury and the Moon suffer

>>>> > twice

>>>> > due

>>>> > to this affliction as they have their MT houses and houses of

>>>> > placement

>>>> > simultaneously afflicted. Saturn, Mars, Rahu and Ketu are also placed

>>>> > in

>>>> > afflicted houses. The remaining three planets are badly placed in H8,

>>>> but

>>>> > the ruler of H2, Jupiter, exactly aspects its MT house, which saves

>>>> > the

>>>> > USA

>>>> > status.

>>>> >

>>>> > This overall weakness, and specially the weakness of Saturn, L4,

>>>> > creates

>>>> a

>>>> > generalized feeling of lack of contentment, which is not a good

>>>> > adviser

>>>> > for

>>>> > their national/international behavior. A maternal role among the

>>>> > nations

>>>> > may

>>>> > be what is asked of them through good/spiritual initiatives (Moon in

>>>> > H3,

>>>> > dispositor of Rahu in H9), but their international initiatives are

>>>> > still

>>>> > very much oriented by gains/aquisition of oil (Saturn in H11,

>>>> > dispositor

>>>> > of

>>>> > Ketu) even though they made them to happen as if motivated by a

>>>> spiritual

>>>> > reason (Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, in H9).

>>>> >

>>>> > Astral remedies would do wonders in USA, if they opt for them

>>>> permanently.

>>>> >

>>>> > Best wishes,

>>>> >

>>>> > Jorge

>>>> >

>>>> > On 1/17/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Dear Jorge,

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Thank you for your email.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Regarding the triple transit, a closer look shows that the MEP of

>>>> >> 11H

>>>> >> containing natal Sa was aspected 78% by strong tr FB Ju. That said,

>>>> natal

>>>> >> LO2 Ju is badly placed in H8, combust and close to MMP Ve, harming

>>>> >> significations of H2 permanently. Ke in transit aspects natal Sa

>>>> >> 60%.

>>>> >> These

>>>> >> transit influences by FB Ju and Ke on H11/Sa provide some balance.

>>>> Taken

>>>> >> with strong Sa in transit, on the MEP of its MTH, such destruction

>>>> >> with

>>>> >> 3000

>>>> >> fatalities isn't likely in my opinion. If my assessment is wrong

>>>> >> about

>>>> >> the

>>>> >> liklihood in the rectified chart, I encourage additional input for

>>>> >> our

>>>> >> dear

>>>> >> Professor or Cosmologer.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> In the rashi of the rectified chart, 11H is afflicted by Ke (in fact

>>>> all

>>>> >> odd

>>>> >> houses are exactly afflicted by the axis). You raised a great point

>>>> about

>>>> >> a

>>>> >> planet not being able to exceed its natal strength. Since all other

>>>> >> planets

>>>> >> in this chart range in strength from weak to severly weak, it begs

>>>> >> the

>>>> >> open

>>>> >> question.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> I look forward to seeing your findings of the events you are

>>>> >> testing.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Best regards,

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Vyas Munidas

>>>> >>

>>>> >> -

>>>> >> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>>>> >> <SAMVA >

>>>> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:26 PM

>>>> >> Re: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April

>>>> >> 18

>>>> San

>>>> >> Francisco earthquake

>>>> >>

>>>> >> > Dear Vyas,

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > you are right in your understanding.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Regarding strong Saturn in transit, it cannot exceed its strenght

>>>> >> > in

>>>> >> > rashi,

>>>> >> > and it is afflicted in TTT.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Best wishes,

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Jorge

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > On 1/16/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Dear Jorge,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> I missed the natal Sa close affliction by transit Ke in the

>>>> rectified

>>>> >> >> chart.

>>>> >> >> Thank you. Transit Saturn however is very strong in its own MTH.

>>>> >> >> In

>>>> my

>>>> >> >> opinion, this is a key point of assessment of significant events

>>>> >> >> concerning

>>>> >> >> 4H; here it is certainly not dire.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> The arithmetic mean point between aspects bares no relevance in

>>>> >> >> SA

>>>> per

>>>> >> my

>>>> >> >> understanding.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Best regards,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Vyas Munidas

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> -

>>>> >> >> " jorge angelino " <jorge.angelino

>>>> >> >> <SAMVA >

>>>> >> >> Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 PM

>>>> >> >> RE: Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906

>>>> >> >> April

>>>> 18

>>>> >> San

>>>> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Dear C.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Well said. That is exactly what I call, " learning how to use the

>>>> >> chart " .

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Each chart has its own peculiarities. Using one kind of events

>>>> >> >> for

>>>> the

>>>> >> >> same

>>>> >> >> chart is highly recommended. I have been doing that with air

>>>> >> >> accidents,

>>>> >> >> for

>>>> >> >> example.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Regarding San Francisco earthquake in 1906:

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> SAMVA chart was in Mo/Ju/Ma or Mo/Ju/Ra (2 days difference in

>>>> dasha).

>>>> >> >> Transit Jupiter is not badly placed nor afflicted, unless we

>>>> consider

>>>> >> >> that

>>>> >> >> it falls exactly on the seventh house aspect of the arithmetical

>>>> mean

>>>> >> of

>>>> >> >> natal Jupiter plus natal Saturn. Natal Jupiter has the MEP of its

>>>> >> >> house

>>>> >> >> of

>>>> >> >> placement closely afflicted (5 degree orb) by transit Rahu.

>>>> >> >> Transit

>>>> >> >> Rahu/Ketu axis closely afflicts all odd houses, including MEP1.

>>>> >> >> Transit

>>>> >> >> Saturn afflicts transit Venus, L4, and MEPs 8, 10, 2 and 5.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Rectified chart was in Mo/Ve/Ra. Transit Venus is badly placed in

>>>> H6,

>>>> >> in

>>>> >> >> exact square aspect with the arithmetical mean of the natal axis

>>>> plus

>>>> >> the

>>>> >> >> transit axis. Transit Saturn, dispositor of the Moon, is close to

>>>> this

>>>> >> >> value, and natal Saturn is afflicted by transit Ketu. Transit

>>>> Jupiter,

>>>> >> >> L12

>>>> >> >> in D6, is closely aspecting MEP1 (Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6,

>>>> >> >> D11

>>>> >> >> and

>>>> >> >> D12). Transit retrograde Mercury, L6 in D8, is exactly over MEP5.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> I am in the process of checking as many events as possible.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Best wishes,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Jorge

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On

>>>> >> >> Behalf

>>>> >> >> Of

>>>> >> >> cosmologer

>>>> >> >> terÃ§a-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2007 19:18

>>>> >> >> SAMVA

>>>> >> >> Re: Natural Calamities in the USA, 1906 April 18

>>>> San

>>>> >> >> Francisco earthquake

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Dear Vyas,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Thanks for the additional check. It is very interesting.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> One thought on this historical analysis for future reference. If

>>>> >> >> the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> recorded event was large (in terms of Richter scale measurement)

>>>> >> >> but

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> took place in a remote area and with little or any real impact on

>>>> the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> national affairs or sentiments, it would likely be seen remotely

>>>> >> >> in

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> the chart. However, where the magnitude is large and the impact

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> severe on a given population, the impact should show up clearly

>>>> >> >> in

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> the national chart. So, not all earthquakes would be equal in

>>>> >> >> this

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> sense.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> For checking a mundane chart, a good rule to follow would be to

>>>> >> >> look

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> at a wide variety of events but each with a clearly defined and

>>>> major

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> impact on the country. This should give insight on how to

>>>> >> >> interpret

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> the events in terms of the chart and how to make the most

>>>> >> >> accurate

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> predictions.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Best wishes,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> C

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Dear C,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Thank you for your kind email. Your work on the Iceland chart

>>>> >> >> > is

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> quite

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > amazing - through natural disaster events, I'd say you have

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> authenticated

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > that chart fully. In this study, I am not strongly attached to

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> either chart,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > but the Cn chart shows best promise so far.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > I now draw your attention to another key earthquake in the USA

>>>> >> >> > the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> April 18,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > 1906 San Francisco earthquake 13:12:21 UTC.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > The full account is given here

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1906_04_18.php

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> and it

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > begins as follows:

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > " This earthquake is one of the most devastating in the history

>>>> >> >> > of

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > California. The earthquake and resulting fires caused an

>>>> >> >> > estimated

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> 3,000

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > deaths and $524 million in property loss. Damage in San

>>>> >> >> > Francisco

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> resulting

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > only from the earthquake was estimated at $20 million; outside

>>>> >> >> > the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> city, it

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > was estimated at $4 million. The sensible duration of the

>>>> >> >> > shaking

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> in San

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Francisco was about 1 minute. "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > The comparison is below with the charts. The Cn chart shows the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> event

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > clearly; the Sc chart doesn't.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > San Francisco, California 1906 04 18 13:12:21 UTC Magnitude 7.8

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> *******************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union

>>>> >> >> > "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> *******************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Sa-H8 MEP, afflicts LO4 Ve in H10 on the MEP. LO1 Mo is in H8

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> closely

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > afflicted by Saturn and natal Ketu from H4. Ve is close to

>>>> >> >> > natal

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Ra. Rahu is

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > in H1 and the nodes closely afflict all odd houses. Ju afflicts

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> natal LO10

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Mars. Tr Ma is in 0 degrees of H11 with Ju. The affliction to

>>>> >> >> > LO4

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> and LO1

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > are clear, no explanation required.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> *******************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> *******************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > LO4 Sa is strong in H4 conj LO9 Mo. The axis does not afflict

>>>> >> >> > any

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> house. Tr

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Ke closely afflicts natal LO6 Mars and LO11 Me is afflicted by

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> natal Ra from

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > H9. This chart shows some manageable tensions, but nothing

>>>> >> >> > related

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> to this

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > significant event.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Best regards,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Vyas Munidas

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > -

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > <SAMVA >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:43 AM

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Re: Natural Calamities in the USA 1811-1812

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Earthquakes

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Dear Vyas,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Thank you for this magisterial contribution. Indeed, the SAMVA

>>>> >> >> > USA

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > chart is being developed through a multitude of events

>>>> >> >> > examined.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> More

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > importantly, such studies increase the knowledge of the

>>>> >> >> > properties

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> of

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > this chart. It is studies like this which give insight into

>>>> >> >> > what

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > factors to look for in order to make correct predictions. Last

>>>> year,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > I performed an exhaustive study of earthquakes in the authentic

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> chart

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > for Iceland. The study enabled me to correctly predict an

>>>> earthquake

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > in Iceland last October. The predictions made on the basis of

>>>> >> >> > this

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > chart for next Spring will be decisive in establishing it as

>>>> >> >> > the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > authentic chart for the USA.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Best wishes,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > C

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Dear List,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > I forgot to include the subject of this email.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Best regards,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > -

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > <SAMVA >; " JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776@>

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 AM

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Dear List,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Inspired by John TWB to look at natural disasters in the USA,

>>>> >> >> > > I

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > have started

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > to take a look at earthquakes. John sent me 24 pages of the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> account

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > of the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > New Madrid earthquakes that took place from Dec 1811 to Feb

>>>> 1812.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> A

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > shortened account is available here on the USGS website:

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1811-

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > 1812.php#december_16

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > which begins the account as follows:

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > " On the basis of the large area of damage (600,000 square

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > kilometers), the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > widespread area of perceptibility (5,000,000 square

>>>> >> >> > > kilometers),

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > and the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > complex physiographic changes that occurred, the Mississippi

>>>> River

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > valley

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > earthquakes of 1811-1812 rank as some of the largest in the

>>>> United

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > States

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > since its settlement by Europeans. The area of strong shaking

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > associated

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > with these shocks is two to three times larger than that of

>>>> >> >> > > the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > 1964 Alaska

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > earthquake and 10 times larger than that of the 1906 San

>>>> Francisco

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > earthquake. "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > It continues on in some detail and I encourage you to read

>>>> >> >> > > the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> rest

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > of it.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > What follows below are my comparison of the the SAMVA USA and

>>>> the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Rectified

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > charts for the three key dates when the quakes were at their

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> worst.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > The

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > charts are included with their relevant text. The final date

>>>> >> >> > > was

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > the most

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > destructive of all and flattened New Madrid. You may draw

>>>> >> >> > > your

>>>> own

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > conclusions about my assessment of these two, but what stands

>>>> out

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > is the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > SAMVA USA chart in every instance. I have not looked deeply

>>>> >> >> > > to

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > justify - it

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > jumps out at you.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > If you find this of value, time permitting, in the future I

>>>> >> >> > > will

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > post the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > charts of other major USA quakes and natural disasters of

>>>> historic

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > relevance. I encourage you to also look at a few of these

>>>> >> >> > > events

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > given on

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical.php and

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> post.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>>>> >> >> > > Union

>>>> "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>>>> >> >> > > ~8.1

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>>>> >> >> > > ~8.1

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>>>> >> >> > > (Mo).

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Sub

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > period

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > of Ve.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > LO4 and LO1 afflicted. All even houses afflicted. Tr axis

>>>> afflicts

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > their

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > natal position very closely. Su, Mo, Me, Ve, FM Sa in H6. Tr

>>>> >> >> > > and

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> na

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Ra

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > afflict tr Ve, na Ve, Me, and the Mo. LO6 Ju from H12,

>>>> >> >> > > closely

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > afflicts LO8

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Sa in H8. This chart bodes well for the observed eqrthquakes.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 08:15 UTC. Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>>>> >> >> > > ~8.1

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > 1811, December 16, 14:15 UTC, Northeast Arkansas Magnitude

>>>> >> >> > > ~8.1

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1.

>>>> >> >> > > Sub

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > period of

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Mars.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Neither H1 or H4/L04 are afflicted. No houses are afflicted.

>>>> >> >> > > FB

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Mo,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > Me are

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > close to each other and LO12 Ve. Ve does not afflict that

>>>> >> >> > > house

>>>> or

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > any

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > planet in transit. Tr Ve-na Su aspect is present, but

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > inconsequential. Ju is

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > the dispositor of the Su, Sa, Mo, Me and Ve and is badly

>>>> >> >> > > placed

>>>> in

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > H8. This

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Ju is aspected closely by Saturn. LO6, Ma is well placed and

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > unafflicting.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > This chart does not show the earthquakes.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>>>> >> >> > > Union

>>>> "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>>>> >> >> > > ~7.8

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>>>> >> >> > > (Mo).

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Sub

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > period

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > of Venus

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Su, Mo, and Mars are well placed in odd houses, in good

>>>> strength.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > LO4 Ve in

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > H8, exactly afflicted by LO6 Jupiter from H12. Natal and

>>>> >> >> > > transit

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > axis

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > positions exactly afflict each other within 30 minutes and

>>>> >> >> > > are

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > close to all

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > even houses; badly placed Ke is noteable. Sa and Ju are badly

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > placed. This

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > chart shows the disruption very well.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > 1812, January 23, 15:00 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>>>> >> >> > > ~7.8

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1.

>>>> >> >> > > Sub

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > period of

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Mars.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The axis afflicts all even houses within 2 degrees. Saturn is

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > placed in H2

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > under no direct affliction. It's dispositor Ju is weak by

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> placement

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > in H8.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Ju-Ve helps reduce the tensions to Ve sitting in an afflicted

>>>> >> >> > > H4

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > somewhat.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Mars closely afflicts natal Ve from H5. This chart certainly

>>>> does

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > show

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > tensions, but not a grand earthquake in comparison to the Cn

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> chart.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > If Sa

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > were afflicted directly, it would be on more even ground.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The SAMVA Chart, " Articles of Confederation and Perpetual

>>>> >> >> > > Union

>>>> "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>>>> >> >> > > ~8

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Ve) and H1/LO1

>>>> >> >> > > (Mo).

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> Sub

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > period

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > of Venus

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>>>> >> >> > > axis

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > exactly

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > afflict their natal position within 1 degree and all even

>>>> >> >> > > houses

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > closely.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > From H6 MMP Sa closely afflicts Ke in H8. Ve is placed in H8

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > entering old

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > age. Debilitated Mo becomes exact to natal Saturn by the time

>>>> the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > 4th shock

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > hits and thereafter transits H6. Na Sa afflicts tr Su. The

>>>> >> >> > > event

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> is

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > properly

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > justified in this chart.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The Rectified Chart, " Declaration of Independance "

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> **********************************************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > ********************************************

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > 1812, February 7, 09:45 UTC, New Madrid, Missouri Magnitude

>>>> >> >> > > ~8

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Key points here are afflictions to H4/LO4 (Sa) and H1/LO1.

>>>> >> >> > > Sub

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > period of

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Mars.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The last of 4 shocks on this day, destroyed New Madrid. The

>>>> >> >> > > axis

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > exactly

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > afflicts even houses within 2 degrees. Sa-Ke aspect reduces

>>>> >> >> > > the

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > negative

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > impact on Ke on H4 somewhat. Na Ra afflicts tr Mars, which

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> afflicts

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > H8 where

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Ju sits; na Ju is also afflicted. Sa's dispositor is Ju and

>>>> >> >> > > is

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > placed in H2.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > The Moon is well placed in H1, though debilitated. This chart

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> shows

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > challenges more than the Jan 23 quake, but not catastrophic

>>>> >> >> > > or

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > dire to H4

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > or H1.

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Best regards,

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > > Vyas Munidas

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >> >>

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