Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear friends, The discussion about the Scorpio rising Rectified chart for the USA and the Cancer rising SAMVA chart for the USA is highly illuminating, especially when astrologers like Jorge Angelino and Vyas Munidas, so well versed in SA (and some other techniques) are involved. The contribution of - both analysis of the charts and predictions based on them - should also be kept fresh in mind with regard to this issue when events take place. I am going to take a small break from the active discussion about the historical analysis of these charts and just allow events in coming weeks to unfold and thereby pass judgement on the respective charts. As far as I am concerned, accurate predictions are the acid test to establish the worth of any proposed mundane chart. It is my sincere hope that we here on SAMVA are soon able to pass judgement on an authentic chart for the USA based on our wisdom and collective efforts. It is an exciting intellectual and spiritual journey we are on. Best wishes, C Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Cosmologer, You are right. Time will bring answers effortlessly. Today, while reading The Supreme Yoga before my morning meditation, the message from Vasistha was: O Rama, the unreal jiva perceives the unreal world on account of the unreal influence of the unreality. In all this what can be considered as real and what as unreal? An imaginary object is imaginatively described by someone; and one understands in one's own imagination and imagines that he understands it. Just as liquidity is in liquids, motion in wind, emptiness in space, even so is omnipresence in the self. From the time the Lord Siva instructed me, I have been performing the worship of the infinite self. By the grace of such worship, though I am constantly engaged in various activities I am free from sorrow. I perform the worship of the self, who is undivided though apparently divided, with the flowers of whatever comes to me naturally and whatever actions are natural to me. To come into relationship (to possess and to be possessed) is common to all embodied beings; but the yogis are forever vigilant, and such vigilance is the worship of the self. Adopting this inner attitude and with a mind utterly devoid of attachment, I roam in this dreadful forest of samsara (world-appearance). If you do so, you will not suffer. When great sorrow (like the loss of wealth and relations) befalls you, enquire into the nature of truth, in the manner described. You will not be affected by joy or sorrow. You now know how all these things arise and how they cease, and you know the fate of the man who is deluded by them,who does not enquire into their real nature. They do not belong to you, you do not belong to them. Such is the unreal nature of the world. Do not grieve. Dear Rama, you are pure consciousness which is not affected by the illusory perception of the diversity of creation. If you see this, how will notions of the desirable and the undesirable arise in you? Realising thus, O Rama, remain established in the turiya (transcendental) state of consciousness. Best wishes, Jorge On 1/17/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear friends, The discussion about the Scorpio rising Rectified chart for the USA and the Cancer rising SAMVA chart for the USA is highly illuminating, especially when astrologers like Jorge Angelino and Vyas Munidas, so well versed in SA (and some other techniques) are involved. The contribution of - both analysis of the charts and predictions based on them - should also be kept fresh in mind with regard to this issue when events take place. I am going to take a small break from the active discussion about the historical analysis of these charts and just allow events in coming weeks to unfold and thereby pass judgement on the respective charts. As far as I am concerned, accurate predictions are the acid test to establish the worth of any proposed mundane chart. It is my sincere hope that we here on SAMVA are soon able to pass judgement on an authentic chart for the USA based on our wisdom and collective efforts. It is an exciting intellectual and spiritual journey we are on. Best wishes, C Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Jorge, Well said. Thanks for sharing the illuminating and inspiring scripture. Best wishes, C SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino wrote: > > Dear Cosmologer, > > You are right. Time will bring answers effortlessly. > > Today, while reading The Supreme Yoga before my morning meditation, the > message from Vasistha was: > > O Rama, the unreal *jiva* perceives the unreal world on account of the > unreal influence of the unreality. In all this what can be considered as > real and what as unreal? An imaginary object is imaginatively described by > someone; and one understands in one's own imagination and imagines that he > understands it. Just as liquidity is in liquids, motion in wind, emptiness > in space, even so is omnipresence in the self. > > From the time the Lord Siva instructed me, I have been performing the > worship of the infinite self. By the grace of such worship, though I am > constantly engaged in various activities I am free from sorrow. I perform > the worship of the self, who is undivided though apparently divided, with > the flowers of whatever comes to me naturally and whatever actions are > natural to me. > > To come into relationship (to possess and to be possessed) is common to all > embodied beings; but the yogis are forever vigilant, and such vigilance is > the worship of the self. Adopting this inner attitude and with a mind > utterly devoid of attachment, I roam in this dreadful forest of > *samsara*(world-appearance). If you do so, you will not suffer. > > When great sorrow (like the loss of wealth and relations) befalls you, > enquire into the nature of truth, in the manner described. You will not be > affected by joy or sorrow. You now know how all these things arise and how > they cease, and you know the fate of the man who is deluded by them,who does > not enquire into their real nature. They do not belong to you, you do not > belong to them. Such is the unreal nature of the world. Do not grieve. > > Dear Rama, you are pure consciousness which is not affected by the illusory > perception of the diversity of creation. If you see this, how will notions > of the desirable and the undesirable arise in you? Realising thus, O Rama, > remain established in the *turiya* (transcendental) state of consciousness. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On 1/17/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The discussion about the Scorpio rising Rectified chart for the USA and > > the Cancer rising SAMVA chart for the USA is highly illuminating, especially > > when astrologers like Jorge Angelino and Vyas Munidas, so well versed in SA > > (and some other techniques) are involved. The contribution of Professor > > Choudhry - both analysis of the charts and predictions based on them > > - should also be kept fresh in mind with regard to this issue when events > > take place. > > > > I am going to take a small break from the active discussion about > > the historical analysis of these charts and just allow events in coming > > weeks to unfold and thereby pass judgement on the respective charts. As far > > as I am concerned, accurate predictions are the acid test to establish the > > worth of any proposed mundane chart. > > > > It is my sincere hope that we here on SAMVA are soon able to pass > > judgement on an authentic chart for the USA based on our wisdom and > > collective efforts. It is an exciting intellectual and spiritual journey we > > are on. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > C > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > > Games. <http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http://videogames.> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Cosmologer, Jorge and John, I'll also end off for now; will likely post on other significant events as time permits. Thanks for your kindest of words, insights and valuable time in this discussion; it's been an enlightening experience. Special thanks to , without who, none of this would be possible. The coming together of all you good souls certainly sets the foundation for something greater to come. To echo Cosmologer, let us see how the predictions prove. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:08 AM Re: Discussion on authentic chart for USA Dear Jorge, Well said. Thanks for sharing the illuminating and inspiring scripture. Best wishes, C SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino wrote: > > Dear Cosmologer, > > You are right. Time will bring answers effortlessly. > > Today, while reading The Supreme Yoga before my morning meditation, the > message from Vasistha was: > > O Rama, the unreal *jiva* perceives the unreal world on account of the > unreal influence of the unreality. In all this what can be considered as > real and what as unreal? An imaginary object is imaginatively described by > someone; and one understands in one's own imagination and imagines that he > understands it. Just as liquidity is in liquids, motion in wind, emptiness > in space, even so is omnipresence in the self. > > From the time the Lord Siva instructed me, I have been performing the > worship of the infinite self. By the grace of such worship, though I am > constantly engaged in various activities I am free from sorrow. I perform > the worship of the self, who is undivided though apparently divided, with > the flowers of whatever comes to me naturally and whatever actions are > natural to me. > > To come into relationship (to possess and to be possessed) is common to all > embodied beings; but the yogis are forever vigilant, and such vigilance is > the worship of the self. Adopting this inner attitude and with a mind > utterly devoid of attachment, I roam in this dreadful forest of > *samsara*(world-appearance). If you do so, you will not suffer. > > When great sorrow (like the loss of wealth and relations) befalls you, > enquire into the nature of truth, in the manner described. You will not be > affected by joy or sorrow. You now know how all these things arise and how > they cease, and you know the fate of the man who is deluded by them,who does > not enquire into their real nature. They do not belong to you, you do not > belong to them. Such is the unreal nature of the world. Do not grieve. > > Dear Rama, you are pure consciousness which is not affected by the illusory > perception of the diversity of creation. If you see this, how will notions > of the desirable and the undesirable arise in you? Realising thus, O Rama, > remain established in the *turiya* (transcendental) state of consciousness. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On 1/17/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The discussion about the Scorpio rising Rectified chart for the USA and > > the Cancer rising SAMVA chart for the USA is highly illuminating, especially > > when astrologers like Jorge Angelino and Vyas Munidas, so well versed in SA > > (and some other techniques) are involved. The contribution of Professor > > Choudhry - both analysis of the charts and predictions based on them > > - should also be kept fresh in mind with regard to this issue when events > > take place. > > > > I am going to take a small break from the active discussion about > > the historical analysis of these charts and just allow events in coming > > weeks to unfold and thereby pass judgement on the respective charts. As far > > as I am concerned, accurate predictions are the acid test to establish the > > worth of any proposed mundane chart. > > > > It is my sincere hope that we here on SAMVA are soon able to pass > > judgement on an authentic chart for the USA based on our wisdom and > > collective efforts. It is an exciting intellectual and spiritual journey we > > are on. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > C > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > > Games. <http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http://videogames.> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 dear cosmologer: good post, and thank you for your kind efforts..... this is exciting that we may end up with an authentic chart for USA.... best wishes, david hawthorne - Cosmologer samva Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:00 AM Discussion on authentic chart for USA Dear friends, The discussion about the Scorpio rising Rectified chart for the USA and the Cancer rising SAMVA chart for the USA is highly illuminating, especially when astrologers like Jorge Angelino and Vyas Munidas, so well versed in SA (and some other techniques) are involved. The contribution of - both analysis of the charts and predictions based on them - should also be kept fresh in mind with regard to this issue when events take place. I am going to take a small break from the active discussion about the historical analysis of these charts and just allow events in coming weeks to unfold and thereby pass judgement on the respective charts. As far as I am concerned, accurate predictions are the acid test to establish the worth of any proposed mundane chart. It is my sincere hope that we here on SAMVA are soon able to pass judgement on an authentic chart for the USA based on our wisdom and collective efforts. It is an exciting intellectual and spiritual journey we are on. Best wishes, C Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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