A definitive chart for America-(John)

January 23, 2007

Thank you John,

And, too,

more complicating history here: Until the opposing political parties in

the 1790s, the Federalists and the Republicans, started going at each

others throats, America's second generation seems to have

forgotten all about the DECLARATION.

Well with Jorge's mention of destiny, the first date applies (when John

Hancock sent the papers), as it was the intent then in 1776 the second

of July that it was declared! Certainly married couples may not

be truly married till after the ceremony..

more comments:

AND,significantly for popular history, there were no public

celebrations this July 4th day, no Liberty Bell ringing, no partying in

the taverns of Philadelphia. Simply because, as reported in the

Philadelphia newspapers earlier, and in other cities soon after,

Independence was already 2 days old on July 4th. Cash flows at the

taverns must have been handsome on the evening of July 2nd.

John, the familiarity you have with this fact, this time is moving.

As it played out, the printer

himself had placed the date of July 4th at the top of the broadside [in

the " title legend " ]. Since it appears that nobody told John

Dunlap that the date was to have been printed as " July 2, 1776 " ,

the master printer did the natural thing and dated it for the time he

received it, which was July 4th.

" The Mis-dating of

America's Birth, by John Dunlap, humble Scottish printer "

John

Hancock's first " autographic " signature of record was on Friday

afternoon when he " autographically " signed a few covering letters

So Friday afternoon then, I remember you going over this once before.

Sally

On 1/23/07, JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote:

Hi Jorge & Sally & List members FUNDAMENTALS FIRST There

are four organic law documents recognized by the U.S. Government as

binding and fundamental, before and informing where relevant all

legislation, as by the People binding its Governors. They

are: [1] the Declaration of Independence; [2] the Articles of

Confederation; [3] the Northwest Ordinance [authenticated, July 13,

1787; enacted September 7, 1789, and truly as conception is to birth,

as conception's Moon is linked to birth's Ascendant, so

to is the Northwest Ordinance born of the Articles of

Confederation]; and [4] the Constitution of the United States

[ " for the USA " ] *********************************************************************** Because

the Articles of Confederation is easier for me to deal with, than to

deal with the Declaration of Independence, I do so in this

order because the record is pellucidly clear regarding the

ARTCLES:

January 23, 2007

Sally Thank you for giving my previous post a careful reading. I completely understand the skepticism of a large majority of the global community of astrologers, as regards the historical arguments for acknowledging that Independence was declared on July 2, not on July 4. The majority only repeats what is commonly understood, such as: "OBVIOUSLY IT'S JULY FOURTH", "EVEN HOLLYWOOD KNOWS THAT", and then gets on with the task of deciding which chart to select for July 4. [by far the most popular, and, to be sure, the historically most far fetched and highly amusing is the so-called Gemini Rising (tropical) chart for July 4, 1776. Here's a sampling of the

looney list of competing "rectifications": [01] Marc Edmund Jones 2:00:13 AM 03ºGemini 34’ [02] Beverly Lewis-Fifield 2:12:10 AM 07ºGemini 00’ [03] Carolyn

Dodson 2:13:00 AM 07ºGemini14’ [04] Anthony Louis 2:13:32 AM 07º Gemini23’ [05] Jim Lewis 2:13:55 AM 07ºGemini30’ [06] C. C. Zain 2:14:15 AM 07ºGemini 35' [07] Walter Wynne 2:16:05 AM 08ºGemini06’ [08] Howard V. Herndon 2:17:00 AM 08ºGemini21’ [09] Ralph Kraum 2:18:33 AM

08ºGemini47’ [10] Grant Lewi 2:33:03 AM 12ºGemini44’ [11] Alexander Marr 2:43:01AM 15Gemini22’ [12] Laurie Effrein 2:52:10 AM 17ºGemini43’ [13] Clement Hey/Gar Osten 3:01:57 AM 20ºGemini11’ [14] Evangeline Adams 3:03:00 AM 20ºGemini27’ The final entry, #14, is the lady astrologer who started the rush to this "conspiracy" chart. Evangeline Adams was nationally famous at the turn of the 20th century. She counted among her clients some of the richest men and women in the world. She got the idea from astrologer Luke Broughton, who first published such a chart in 1861. She liked it because Luke Broughton's work om tropical Gemini rising struck a sympathetic chord with her Theosophical orientation; and the moment she elected, 3:03 a.m., probably because the clock time would appeal to the templar Masons among her clientele, where the 33rd degree of initiation is paramount. In any event, in the 1930s astrologer Grant Lewi, the first widely known and book-published astrologer in America, adopted

it, adjusted it to suit himself, to 2:33 a.m., and the rest is just madcap history. But just in case the reader is wondering. The 44 delegates to Congress that morning were undoubtedly asleep. In the summertime, which is the time of July 4 in Philadelphia, the gentleman was asleep by 11:00 p.m. and rose at 6:00 a.m. Highly unlikely that July 4th was exceptional. [see Thomas Jefferson's diary for the feel of the routine of the time.] ANOTHER POINT: You mentioned my depiction of the immediate local Philadelphia public reaction to the act of

declared Independence on July 2, 1776. Keep this in mind, that in late June 1776, as the news spread about the decision [June 10] of Congress to take a vote [July 1] for-or-against Independence, the public's expectations were heightened. The newspapers were already covering what was to become THE breaking story of the Era. When Congress adjourned at 6:30/7:00 p.m. on Monday evening July 1, the reporters were waiting at the gates of Philadelphia's State House. [btw: please note, a Full Moon that morning, arc-minute exact at about 10:30 a.m.]. They went away disappointed, but knowing that TOMORROW would be THE DAY, if Caesar Rodney arrived to cast the necessary tie breaking vote in the Delaware delegation, and thus to make the enactment possible.[if Rodney had

not arrived until either July 3 or July 4 mornings, then the "enactment" vote would have been on July 4.] The news of July 2 reached lower Manhattan in New York City, and by evening the pubs were filled with American soldiers celebrating America's newfound Independence. [They didn't need the July 4th broadside; they were reading the July 2nd evening newspaper byline from Philadelphia. Only on Monday July 8 did New York first read the news of a published broadside from Philadelphia, A DECLARATION for ""Independency"". (IndependencY = is a more fundamental condition of "independencE", it was strictly understood as sovereign

self-ownership, therefore more than simply freedom of action.] WHAT IS THE COSMIC IMPORT OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE? First Edition, published July 5th: entitled "A DECLARATION BY THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN GENERAL CONGRESS

ASSEMBLED" Second Edition, autograph-signed by 50 delegates, and President John Hancock on August 2nd [6 delegates signed later]; then after, as published in a variant form, the broadside was only with John Hancock's autograph-signature, published on January 31, 1777; publication authorized by the January 18, 1777 act of Congress: entitled: "THE UNANIMOUS DECLARATION OF THE THIRTEEN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". CRUCIAL DISTINCTION: [1] The FIRST EDITION BY the delegates to CONGRESS; [2] the SECOND EDITION BY the 13 STATES themselves. The difference is accounted for by the fact of 13 State ratifications during the intervening months. Congress did not have the formal authority to declare precisely in the name of the unanimous 13 States, not until each State Assembly had ratified the Declaration. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the text of the ratification legislation in each State was deliberately drafted in reference to only certain lines in the Declaration, those in the final paragraph of the Declaration broadside, which re-iterate verbatim the brief text of the July

2nd enactment. Some State Assemblies even went so far in negative reaction to Jefferson's stirring phrases, as found in the main body of the document, that they refused to make reference to anything else in their legislation BUT the July 2nd enactment and the July 4 date of the document. LOW, AND BEHOLD, my school teachers forgot to mention this inconvenient fact of American history. This more than unsympathetic attitude was focused on the notion of "equality"; and as we all know and recognize today, that way back then Women, African Americans, and Native Americans were barred from equality of stature in the nation's political/legal life. For me, the moral of this tale is clear: In 1776 and years after, the Declaration broadside was not acceptable in full to a decided majority of White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant-Adult-Males, among the total community of "all" adult Americans, irrespective of gender, race and religion. These males were in charge, socially and politically. Moreover, the Declaration was soon ignored, only to be resuscitated a generation later, in order to serve some of the baser interests of the political promoters of the Republican Party, the so-called Party of Thomas Jefferson. This short chronological history, as reprised in this post, has led me to conclude that, unquestionably, the event of July 2, 1776 was a national birth event of a certain kind, but not the kind marking the day that the nation re-formed itself to be a nation-state, as I now believe, only since January 2007, The nation-state was born on February 2, 1781 in the state of Maryland's Assembly, in Annapolis, Maryland, by the enacting autograph-signature of Governor Thomas Sim Lee, Esq., the 13th State

govenor to do so. And therefore, we find this three steps sequence of events marking major moments in the political/legal life history of America: [1] The Union was born this day, February 2, 1781; [2] The first constitution of the Confederation was born a month later, on March 1, 1781; and [3] Constitutional government for America commenced proceedings the following morning, on March 2, 1781. P.S. For reasons not elaborated on here, and because it would only distract, and possibly confuse, from the theme, the UNION referred to here should be precisely understood as quote UNITED STATES unquote [or the "U.S."], the UNITED STATES being the nation-state encompassing ALL of America's lands and peoples within [1] & [2] here after: where [1] = the territories (not-USA), and [2] = the now 50 States (of the USA). [1]+ [2] are its constituent parts. Where in accordance with the laws of the land, find that [the territories] + [the States] = [uNITED STATES]. However, going forward List Members of SAMVA should, and Jorge, I trust, will make sure of consistent nomenclature usage, that discussions will simply carry on with the designation SAMVA USA.. Refinements of the sort suggested here can wait a much, much later day. Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote: Thank you John, And, too, more complicating history here: Until the opposing political parties in the 1790s, the Federalists and the Republicans, started going at each others throats, America's second generation seems to have forgotten all about the DECLARATION.Well with Jorge's mention of destiny, the first date applies (when John Hancock sent the papers), as it was the intent then in 1776 the second of July that it was declared! Certainly married couples may not be truly married till after the ceremony.. more comments: AND,significantly for popular

history, there were no public celebrations this July 4th day, no Liberty Bell ringing, no partying in the taverns of Philadelphia. Simply because, as reported in the Philadelphia newspapers earlier, and in other cities soon after, Independence was already 2 days old on July 4th. Cash flows at the taverns must have been handsome on the evening of July 2nd. John, the familiarity you have with this fact, this time is moving. As it played out, the printer himself had placed the date of July 4th at the top of the broadside [in the "title legend"]. Since it appears that nobody told John Dunlap that the date was to have been printed as "July 2, 1776", the master printer did the natural thing and dated it for the time he received it, which was July 4th. "The Mis-dating of America's Birth, by John Dunlap, humble Scottish printer" John Hancock's first "autographic" signature of record was on Friday afternoon when he "autographically" signed a few covering letters So Friday afternoon then, I remember you going over this once before.Sally On 1/23/07, JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 > wrote: Hi Jorge & Sally & List members

FUNDAMENTALS FIRST There are four organic law documents recognized by the U.S. Government as binding and fundamental, before and informing where relevant all legislation, as by the People binding its Governors. They are: [1] the Declaration of Independence; [2] the Articles of Confederation; [3] the Northwest Ordinance [authenticated, July 13, 1787; enacted September 7, 1789, and truly as conception is to birth, as conception's Moon is linked to birth's Ascendant, so to is the Northwest Ordinance born of the Articles of Confederation]; and [4] the Constitution of the United States ["for the USA"] *********************************************************************** Because the Articles of Confederation is easier for me to deal with, than to

deal with the Declaration of Independence, I do so in this order because the record is pellucidly clear regarding the ARTCLES:

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