A definitive chart for America [Sally/Vyas]

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Hi Sally & Vyas I share Sally's excitement for the meaning of the text of the Declaration of Independence, and for the soul and character of the man who wrote it, Thomas Jefferson. But, for mundane astrology, first must be considered the historical significance of the event. Here I believe I ay have to part company with Sally's estimate, but join with Vyas in looking at the relevance of the "architecture of muhurta". In an earlier post I pointed out the possible "conception/birth" relationship of the events of [1] the Declaration, as initialed by Jefferson (a signature, of sorts) in the morning of July 5, 1776 and [2] the ratifying moment of the Bill of Rights, by the Virginia Assembly in the late morning of December 15, 1791 [exactly 14 years-to-the-day after Virginia ratified the Articles of Confederation, on

December 15, 1777. Virginia's of 1777 was the first; Maryland's, on February 2, 1781, was the 13th and final.] For the cosmic "connexity" of these two events, one finds the [1] Moon 15Aq11 of 1776 conjunct the [2] Ascendant of 1791. Those astrologers who assent to the principles of muhurta in this context (as explained in an earlier post by Vyas), may appreciate the significance of such a concurrence. However, I have found that the July 5, 1776 Jefferson event doesn't work out if applied to any other major subsequent political event marking the progress of America in its early years. There is, however, such a conception/birth relationship between September 9, 1776 and February 2, 1781 [Luna to Ascendant : : 20Ca48.] One finds on September 9, 1776, late morning, that Congress first "resolved" (enacted) to alter the name identification, the "stile", of all official acts of Congress, altered from the

"United Colonies" to become the "United States". And for February 2, 1781 I do consider the event of that day to signify, thanks largely to Thor and concurring astrologers, the birth event of the quote "United States" unquote. Again, for those who appreciate Vyas' point about muhurta and the life cycles of all incorporate entities, in particular manifestation as the relationship of the first pre-natal moment, "conception", to the next moment after the final pre-natal moment, there does appear to be a cosmic connexity, possibly expressed in the respective charts cast for the two events, events only considered by the casual observer as loosely related, historically, with the passage of time. And so I sincerely believe astrologers will get nowhere in there predictive exercises, if they try and connect the event of Declaration, initialed, to the events forming the bodies politic of America's State and

Government. I think the useful alternative for the Declaration of Independence, as stated in a previous post, would be to explore the connection it shares to the final ratification of the Bill of Rights. Could it really be otherwise for Thomas Jefferson, the author patriot, who on March 1, 1792, in the morning, sat down at the desk of the Secretary of State in Philadelphia, Jefferson's own desk (HE was the Secretary), and penned a letter to "14" State Governors [the original "13" plus Vermont], penned a "circular", a letter of transmittal informing the States' Governors that both houses of Congress had been served formal notice by President George Washington, in the morning of January 18, 1792, that enough States had by then ratified the Bill of Rights, and so the Constitution was henceforth duly amended, by the ten "Articles", famously known, after the pioneering example set by the patriots of Virginia, on June 12, 1776, known as the U.S. Bill of

Rights. The delay in distribution to the Governors of the letter and copies of the Bill, delayed between January and March, is partly to be accounted for by the time taken for the first official printings of the Bill to be prepared. Alas, Jefferson was responsible for the work of that printer too, just as he was on the Friday morning of July 5,

1776. How can the American nation ever repay in memory the successful and devoted efforts of this patriot of such genius, this patriot so pure in soul ? CHEERS, JOHN Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote: Jorge, John and Group,Some thoughts on the 1781 chart and some research on the 7/5/1776 chart. As you say Jorge, some countries' charts are enacted by the rulers-maybe this applies now in the 1781 chart...." Some countries/states are born by enactment of their previous/actual rulers. "Also..:"the 1781 chart explains the

events also under this perspective[country] but more under the national administration perspective;"For this reason, I don't cater to the 1781 chart, because it now becomes the reality of dealing with issues of governing, not the initial breakthrough state of the nation's conception. Maybe however, it was conceived with Jefferson and later born five years later in 1781.Thanks.SallyP.S.In researching the transit time of 2/2/1781 in the chart of 1776, July 5, the period was Rahu, Mars. Rahu is both worldly and busy. Rahu is not strong but unafflicting. Mars has some clout on the Mep of four houses. Mars rules the tenth, of administration on the eleventh of gains and aspirations. Many of the planets then are well placed and strong. Especially status lord, Sun in the seventh of contracts, bonds of the masses and foreign affairs. On 1/23/07, Jorge Angelino < jorge.angelino > wrote: Dear Sally, I am in the process of rectifying the exact minute and second of the February 2, 1781, chart. So far, I have already checked 15 events in both charts, but more than 150 will be carefully examined. At this stage, let me share some ideas with you and all the other list members: 1) The two charts explain all the events, but under different perspectives: the 1776 chart explains the events under the country perspective, and the 1781 chart explains the events also under this perspective but more under the national administration perspective;

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