2 tragic events - Waco assault & Oklahoma bombing - in SAMVA USA chart

January 25, 2007

Dear list members, In the early 1990s there were two tragic events in the USA that were linked and occurred excatly two years apart. The first event was the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas at dawn on April 19, 1993. On February 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Booty and Firearms raided the Branch Davidian ranch, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. The subsequent 51-day siege by the FBI ended on April 19 when fire completely consumed the complex, killing 76 people, including 21 children and Davidian leader David Koresh - inspiring Timothy McVeigh to carry out the Oklahoma City bombing exactly 2 years later. Ke/Ju period was running. Tr L6 Jupiter in H3 exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4 Venus, tr L3 Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr L10 Mars in H1 and tr L11 Moon in H9. Tr L8

Saturn in H8 exactly aspected natal L6 Jupiter in H5. Tr Rahu exactly conjunct H5 MEP, aspecting H1, H9 and H11. Transit Ketu conjunct H11 MEP, aspecting H3, H5 and H7. This day had massive afflictions operating in the chart. The transits were almost as bad when the raid began on February 28, 1993. The second event was the Oklahoma city bombing. At 9:02 AM CST on Wednesday April 19, 1995 in the street in front of the Alfred P Murrag Federal Building a rented Ryder truck containing about 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of explosive material detonated. The effect of the bombing on the city was immense. Beyond the death toll - 168 confirmed dead including 19 children and one rescue worker, plus an unidentifed leg indicating a possible 169th victim. The bomb injured over 800 people and destroyed or damaged more than 300 buildings in the surrounding area, leaving several hundred people homeless and shutting down offices in downtown Oklahoma

city. The nation went into mourning for several days and President Clinton attended the Memorial Service for the victims. The chief perpetrator Timmothy McVeigh was captured the same day, tried and found guilty of the crime and subesequently executed. His co-conspirators were captured, tried and imprisoned. Ke/Me period was running. Transit Ketu was conjunct tr L3 Mercury in H10. Natal L6 Jupiter was closely aspecting tr L4 Venus in H9. Transit L8 Saturn in H8 closely aspected natal L8 Saturn in H5. Tr L6 Jupiter was exactly conjunct H5 MEP and aspecting H1, H11 and H9 and transit L10 Mars in H1. Both events are shown to have been accompanied by massive afflictions in the SAMVA USA chart. The astrological imprint couldn´t be any clearer. Best wishes, Thor

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January 25, 2007

dear thor...

great work!

this gets more exciting every day!

finally! the chart of USA!

david hawthorne

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samva

Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:54 PM

2 tragic events - Waco assault & Oklahoma bombing - in SAMVA USA chart

Dear list members,

In the early 1990s there were two tragic events in the USA that were linked and occurred excatly two years apart.

The first event was the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas at dawn on April 19, 1993. On February 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Booty and Firearms raided the Branch Davidian ranch, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. The subsequent 51-day siege by the FBI ended on April 19 when fire completely consumed the complex, killing 76 people, including 21 children and Davidian leader David Koresh - inspiring Timothy McVeigh to carry out the Oklahoma City bombing exactly 2 years later. Ke/Ju period was running. Tr L6 Jupiter in H3 exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4 Venus, tr L3 Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr L10 Mars in H1 and tr L11 Moon in H9. Tr L8 Saturn in H8 exactly aspected natal L6 Jupiter in H5. Tr Rahu exactly conjunct H5 MEP, aspecting H1, H9 and H11. Transit Ketu conjunct H11 MEP, aspecting H3, H5 and H7. This day had massive afflictions operating in the chart. The transits were almost as bad when the raid began on February 28, 1993.

The second event was the Oklahoma city bombing. At 9:02 AM CST on Wednesday April 19, 1995 in the street in front of the Alfred P Murrag Federal Building a rented Ryder truck containing about 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of explosive material detonated. The effect of the bombing on the city was immense. Beyond the death toll - 168 confirmed dead including 19 children and one rescue worker, plus an unidentifed leg indicating a possible 169th victim. The bomb injured over 800 people and destroyed or damaged more than 300 buildings in the surrounding area, leaving several hundred people homeless and shutting down offices in downtown Oklahoma city. The nation went into mourning for several days and President Clinton attended the Memorial Service for the victims. The chief perpetrator Timmothy McVeigh was captured the same day, tried and found guilty of the crime and subesequently executed. His co-conspirators were captured, tried and imprisoned.

Ke/Me period was running. Transit Ketu was conjunct tr L3 Mercury in H10. Natal L6 Jupiter was closely aspecting tr L4 Venus in H9. Transit L8 Saturn in H8 closely aspected natal L8 Saturn in H5. Tr L6 Jupiter was exactly conjunct H5 MEP and aspecting H1, H11 and H9 and transit L10 Mars in H1.

Both events are shown to have been accompanied by massive afflictions in the SAMVA USA chart. The astrological imprint couldn´t be any clearer.

Best wishes,

Thor

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January 25, 2007

Dear Thor,

It shows up again, clearly. Good work.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

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Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:54 PM

2 tragic events - Waco assault & Oklahoma bombing - in

SAMVA USA chart

> Dear list members,

>

> In the early 1990s there were two tragic events in the USA that were

> linked and occurred excatly two years apart.

>

> The first event was the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound at

> Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas at dawn on April 19, 1993. On February 28,

> 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Booty and Firearms raided the Branch

> Davidian ranch, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians.

> The subsequent 51-day siege by the FBI ended on April 19 when fire

> completely consumed the complex, killing 76 people, including 21 children

> and Davidian leader David Koresh - inspiring Timothy McVeigh to carry out

> the Oklahoma City bombing exactly 2 years later. Ke/Ju period was running.

> Tr L6 Jupiter in H3 exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4

> Venus, tr L3 Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal L6 Jupiter exactly

> aspected tr L10 Mars in H1 and tr L11 Moon in H9. Tr L8 Saturn in H8

> exactly aspected natal L6 Jupiter in H5. Tr Rahu exactly conjunct H5 MEP,

> aspecting H1, H9 and H11. Transit Ketu conjunct H11 MEP, aspecting H3, H5

> and H7. This day had massive afflictions

> operating in the chart. The transits were almost as bad when the raid

> began on February 28, 1993.

>

> The second event was the Oklahoma city bombing. At 9:02 AM CST on

> Wednesday April 19, 1995 in the street in front of the Alfred P Murrag

> Federal Building a rented Ryder truck containing about 5,000 pounds (2,300

> kg) of explosive material detonated. The effect of the bombing on the city

> was immense. Beyond the death toll - 168 confirmed dead including 19

> children and one rescue worker, plus an unidentifed leg indicating a

> possible 169th victim. The bomb injured over 800 people and destroyed or

> damaged more than 300 buildings in the surrounding area, leaving several

> hundred people homeless and shutting down offices in downtown Oklahoma

> city. The nation went into mourning for several days and President Clinton

> attended the Memorial Service for the victims. The chief perpetrator

> Timmothy McVeigh was captured the same day, tried and found guilty of the

> crime and subesequently executed. His co-conspirators were captured, tried

> and imprisoned.

> Ke/Me period was running. Transit Ketu was conjunct tr L3 Mercury in H10.

> Natal L6 Jupiter was closely aspecting tr L4 Venus in H9. Transit L8

> Saturn in H8 closely aspected natal L8 Saturn in H5. Tr L6 Jupiter was

> exactly conjunct H5 MEP and aspecting H1, H11 and H9 and transit L10 Mars

> in H1.

>

> Both events are shown to have been accompanied by massive afflictions in

> the SAMVA USA chart. The astrological imprint couldn´t be any clearer.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

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Thanks Thor Please find pasted here, below, snippets of some events the history April 19. Thanks, John History of April 19th: Oklahoma City, Waco, Warsaw, Concord Sun Tzu's Newswire (STN 2000-025)by Richard RongstadTuesday, April 18, 200010:30 am U.S. Pacific Time April 19th is just around the corner. Are you ready? The nineteenth day of April has very special meanings for all Americans, and all Jews. April 19th is a crossroads in history where suffering and sacrifice, patriotism and tyranny, liberty and slavery, religious persecution and bigotry all intersect, again, and again. For citizens of Massachusetts, April 19th marks Patriot's Day and for all Americans, the date of the "Shot heard 'round the world", when colonial militias defied orders to surrender their guns and routed King George's redcoats. For Jews, April 19th is the day Nazi storm troops surrounded the Warsaw

Ghetto, sparking a revolt led by a few young Jews who refused to be enslaved or incinerated. For modern American patriots, April 19th marks the day 76 members of a religious minority died in an assault by federal paramilitary forces, aided and advised by regular military units. For the people of Oklahoma City, April 19th marks the day that 168 people died in an explosion at the Murrah Federal Building. April 19, 1775 - The shot heard 'round the world: The Battles at Lexington Green and Concord Bridge. Warned by Paul Revere, William Dawes and Samuel Prescott, the Massachusetts militia mobilized to block a larger, better trained British force coming to seize militia weapons at Concord. At Lexington, Major John Pitcairn leading a detachment of Royal Marines told the colonists there: "Disperse, you rebels! Damn you, through down your arms, and disperse!" Nobody knows who fired the first shot at Lexington Green, but the colonial militia refused confiscation of their guns and the British drove them back in the initial encounter. After regrouping the colonial militia did better, turning back the British at Concord Bridge and forcing a disorderly British flight back to Boston. The road back became a deadly gauntlet as farmers from "every Middlesex village and farm" sniped from behind stone walls, trees, barns, houses, all the way back to Charlestown peninsula. By nightfall the British survivors were safe under the protection of the Royal Navy and British army at Boston, having lost 273 men that day, while the Americans lost 95. The following year, the

colonial Americans declared independence, a date now marked as July 4th, a national holiday. Months after participating in the actions at Lexington and Concord, a former slave, a black African named Salem Prince was introduced to General George Washington as the sharpshooter who killed Major Pitcairn at Bunker Hill (June 1775). April 19th is celebrated as a holiday only in Massachusetts. April 19, 1943 - The Warsaw Ghetto Revolt - When Nazi SS units tried to remove the remaining occupants of the Ghetto for extermination and slave

labor, Jewish resistance to tyranny, slavery and religious persecution was reborn and set the spark that created the modern state of Israel. A reading of the events surrounding the Warsaw Ghetto Revolt in 1943 comes from a Jewish synagogue: "Congregation: We remember the Warsaw ghetto on the dawn of the first day of Passover, April 19, 1943. The Nazis were coming to complete the deportation of the remaining Jews to the death camps. A shot rang out on Nalevki Street, signaling the beginning of the revolt. A few hundred Jews with a few guns and hand grenades had decided to resist the tremendous power of the German army and the Gestapo. The courageous men and women of the Jewish Fighting Organization held out for forty-two days." From the Warsaw Ghetto on

April 23, 1943 Mordecai Anielewicz observed "The Germans ran twice from the Ghetto....The dream of my life has risen to become a fact....Jewish armed resistance and revenge are facts. I have been witness to the magnificent, heroic fighting of Jewish men of battle." A majority voting bloc of American Jews now presents a puzzling moral and political paradox; they support victim disarmament by registration of guns and gun owners. The unregistered guns used by the Warsaw Jews did not have trigger locks. April 19, 1993 - Massacre of Branch Davidian religious minority at Waco, Texas. Clinton appointee Attorney General

Janet Reno accepted "responsibility" for the disaster, but the principle of accountability was ignored. On February 28, federal paramilitary forces laid siege to the Branch Davidians’ home and 6 Davidians and 4 ATF agents died in the initial raid. The final assault on April resulted in the deaths of 76 Branch Davidians, including two unborn children. Steven Barry, a U.S. Army Special Forces soldier and others protested military involvement, but involvement of the elite Delta Force was covered up along with many other blunders by the Clinton Administration. Sergeant First Class Barry continued his protest by founding the Special Forces Underground and publishing a political warfare journal called “The Register” and was eventually hounded into retirement. Nine Branch Davidians remain imprisoned. Nobody from the Clinton White House, Reno's Department of Justice, the FBI, the BATF or the Department of Defense has

been tried, convicted or jailed. News services carried stories of a few federal demotions and promotions of those involved. April 19, 1995 – Oklahoma City - Murrah Federal Building bombed. Timothy McVeigh was among many Americans expressing frustration at the lack of accountability for the Waco Incident. But McVeigh was convicted of bombing the federal building and sentenced to death. But could the motive for the bombing have been removed if Clinton, Reno, the FBI, the BATF and military had been truly

held accountable "with justice for all"? A newspaper clipping found in Timothy McVeigh's car was titled "Waco Shootout Evokes Memory of Warsaw '43'", comparing the Branch Davidian tragedy with the Nazi assault on the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943, was a letter to the editor published in The Wall Street Journal. Federal prosecutors claimed the Waco siege so angered McVeigh that he masterminded and carried out the bombing in Oklahoma City. April 19, 2000 - Miami - the Elian Gonzalez standoff - As the case of 6-year-old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez hurtles to a confrontation between Janet Reno and the boy's Miami relatives, news reports speculate that Reno

will not send U.S. Marshals to remove Elian tomorrow (April 19). The dark legacy of the Waco Incident hangs heavily over the Clinton Administration and Janet Reno's Department of Justice. Members of the Cuban-American community in Miami have vowed to resist any attempt to physically remove Elian from his Miami relatives. Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members, In the early 1990s there were two tragic events in the USA that were linked and occurred excatly two years apart. The first event was the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas at dawn on April 19, 1993. On February 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Booty and Firearms raided the Branch Davidian ranch, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. The subsequent 51-day siege by the FBI ended on April 19 when fire completely consumed the complex, killing 76 people, including 21 children and Davidian leader David Koresh - inspiring Timothy McVeigh to carry out the Oklahoma City bombing exactly 2 years later. Ke/Ju period was running. Tr L6 Jupiter in H3 exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4 Venus, tr L3 Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 .

Natal L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr L10 Mars in H1 and tr L11 Moon in H9. Tr L8 Saturn in H8 exactly aspected natal L6 Jupiter in H5. Tr Rahu exactly conjunct H5 MEP, aspecting H1, H9 and H11. Transit Ketu conjunct H11 MEP, aspecting H3, H5 and H7. This day had massive afflictions operating in the chart. The transits were almost as bad when the raid began on February 28, 1993. The second event was the Oklahoma city bombing. At 9:02 AM CST on Wednesday April 19, 1995 in the street in front of the Alfred P Murrag Federal Building a rented Ryder truck containing about 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of explosive material detonated. The effect of the bombing on the city was immense. Beyond the death toll - 168 confirmed dead including 19 children and one rescue worker, plus an unidentifed leg indicating a possible 169th victim. The bomb injured over 800 people and destroyed or damaged more than 300 buildings in the surrounding area, leaving several

hundred people homeless and shutting down offices in downtown Oklahoma city. The nation went into mourning for several days and President Clinton attended the Memorial Service for the victims. The chief perpetrator Timmothy McVeigh was captured the same day, tried and found guilty of the crime and subesequently executed. His co-conspirators were captured, tried and imprisoned. Ke/Me period was running. Transit Ketu was conjunct tr L3 Mercury in H10. Natal L6 Jupiter was closely aspecting tr L4 Venus in H9. Transit L8 Saturn in H8 closely aspected natal L8 Saturn in H5. Tr L6 Jupiter was exactly conjunct H5 MEP and aspecting H1, H11 and H9 and transit L10 Mars in H1. Both events are shown to have been accompanied by massive afflictions in the SAMVA USA chart. The astrological imprint couldn´t be any clearer. Best wishes, Thor Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.

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January 25, 2007

Dear Cosmologer,

In your analysis of your first case, you have

said that

: Tr L6 Jupiter in H3

exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4

Venus, tr L3 Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal

L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr L10 Mars in H1 and tr

L11 Moon in H9. :

tr Moon is mentioned as 10th lord and 11th lord

..tr Moon is Lagna Lord Isnt it ?

Thanks

Sadasivan

--- Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> Dear list members,

>

> In the early 1990s there were two tragic events in

> the USA that were linked and occurred excatly two

> years apart.

>

> The first event was the final assault on the

> Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel in Waco,

> Texas at dawn on April 19, 1993. On February 28,

> 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Booty and

> Firearms raided the Branch Davidian ranch, resulting

> in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. The

> subsequent 51-day siege by the FBI ended on April 19

> when fire completely consumed the complex, killing

> 76 people, including 21 children and Davidian leader

> David Koresh - inspiring Timothy McVeigh to carry

> out the Oklahoma City bombing exactly 2 years later.

> Ke/Ju period was running. Tr L6 Jupiter in H3

> exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4

> Venus, tr L3 Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal

> L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr L10 Mars in H1 and tr

> L11 Moon in H9. Tr L8 Saturn in H8 exactly aspected

> natal L6 Jupiter in H5. Tr Rahu exactly conjunct H5

> MEP, aspecting H1, H9 and H11. Transit Ketu conjunct

> H11 MEP, aspecting H3, H5 and H7. This day had

> massive afflictions

> operating in the chart. The transits were almost as

> bad when the raid began on February 28, 1993.

>

> The second event was the Oklahoma city bombing. At

> 9:02 AM CST on Wednesday April 19, 1995 in the

> street in front of the Alfred P Murrag Federal

> Building a rented Ryder truck containing about 5,000

> pounds (2,300 kg) of explosive material detonated.

> The effect of the bombing on the city was immense.

> Beyond the death toll - 168 confirmed dead including

> 19 children and one rescue worker, plus an

> unidentifed leg indicating a possible 169th victim.

> The bomb injured over 800 people and destroyed or

> damaged more than 300 buildings in the surrounding

> area, leaving several hundred people homeless and

> shutting down offices in downtown Oklahoma city. The

> nation went into mourning for several days and

> President Clinton attended the Memorial Service for

> the victims. The chief perpetrator Timmothy McVeigh

> was captured the same day, tried and found guilty of

> the crime and subesequently executed. His

> co-conspirators were captured, tried and imprisoned.

> Ke/Me period was running. Transit Ketu was

> conjunct tr L3 Mercury in H10. Natal L6 Jupiter was

> closely aspecting tr L4 Venus in H9. Transit L8

> Saturn in H8 closely aspected natal L8 Saturn in H5.

> Tr L6 Jupiter was exactly conjunct H5 MEP and

> aspecting H1, H11 and H9 and transit L10 Mars in H1.

>

> Both events are shown to have been accompanied by

> massive afflictions in the SAMVA USA chart. The

> astrological imprint couldn´t be any clearer.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

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Dear John,

Thanks for the additional information.

The two events on April 19, 1993 and April 19, 1995 were linked as

the latter was intended as some sort of symbolic revenge for the

former. In the events cited it was the general transit pattern at

those times that was exceptional and indicating setbacks.

In SA, unlike western sun-sign astrology, specific days of the year,

like April 19, do not carry much significance as per the placement of

the fast moving sun. On that day, the sun is at 4° Sagittarius H6. It

is badly placed and weak in the house of conflict, but unaspected.

Thus the placement of the Sun is not especially indicative of the

events that may transpire on that day.

If we were to consider days, when the transit L2 Sun comes under

strain would be for instance when it crosses the stationary nodal

axis, especially if the transit nodes are in bad houses (H8, H12 and

H6) - and more so if other adverse transit contacts enter the

picture. At such times the functional and general indications of the

sun would come under strain and possibly suffer a setback.

As the Sun in the SAMVA USA chart is afflicted, a transit affliction

of the natal Sun would potentially be more difficult, as the slow

moving malefics in the 21° Cancer rising chart could be having a long

standing close affliction of this placements. Such placments are

usually indicative of serious strain or setbacks for the US

President. One such episode occurs in the Spring of this year.

However, the aspect of transit L8 Saturn in H1 on natal L2 Sun in H7

will not become exact at that time. It will be close, but not reach

the exact point. This may have a bearing on the outcome, such that

the situation becomes hopefully less serious.

Other potentially strained days during the year would be when the Sun

is traversing the natal nodal axis at 18° Aries/Libra, or aspected by

the nodes, as well as when it is conjunct or opposite or aspected by

natal L6 Jupiter at 5° Scorpio and the same for natal L8 Saturn at

27° Scorpio H5.

The key message of my post, however, was the period and transit

combination surrounding these two events, in relation to the SAMVA

USA chart, were dramatic and exceptional and consistent with the

setbacks that occurred.

Best wishes,

Thor

SAMVA , JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote:

>

> Thanks Thor

>

> Please find pasted here, below, snippets of some events the

history April 19.

>

> Thanks,

>

> John

>

> History of April 19th: Oklahoma City, Waco, Warsaw, Concord

> Sun Tzu's Newswire (STN 2000-025)

> by Richard Rongstad

> Tuesday, April 18, 2000

> 10:30 am U.S. Pacific Time

>

> April 19th is just around the corner. Are you ready? The

nineteenth day of April has very special meanings for all Americans,

and all Jews. April 19th is a crossroads in history where suffering

and sacrifice, patriotism and tyranny, liberty and slavery, religious

persecution and bigotry all intersect, again, and again. For citizens

of Massachusetts, April 19th marks Patriot's Day and for all

Americans, the date of the " Shot heard 'round the world " , when

colonial militias defied orders to surrender their guns and routed

King George's redcoats. For Jews, April 19th is the day Nazi storm

troops surrounded the Warsaw Ghetto, sparking a revolt led by a few

young Jews who refused to be enslaved or incinerated. For modern

American patriots, April 19th marks the day 76 members of a religious

minority died in an assault by federal paramilitary forces, aided and

advised by regular military units. For the people of Oklahoma City,

April 19th marks the day that 168 people died in an

> explosion at the Murrah Federal Building.

>

> April 19, 1775 - The shot heard 'round the world: The Battles at

Lexington Green and Concord Bridge. Warned by Paul Revere, William

Dawes and Samuel Prescott, the Massachusetts militia mobilized to

block a larger, better trained British force coming to seize militia

weapons at Concord. At Lexington, Major John Pitcairn leading a

detachment of Royal Marines told the colonists there: " Disperse, you

rebels! Damn you, through down your arms, and disperse! " Nobody knows

who fired the first shot at Lexington Green, but the colonial militia

refused confiscation of their guns and the British drove them back in

the initial encounter. After regrouping the colonial militia did

better, turning back the British at Concord Bridge and forcing a

disorderly British flight back to Boston. The road back became a

deadly gauntlet as farmers from " every Middlesex village and farm "

sniped from behind stone walls, trees, barns, houses, all the way

back to Charlestown peninsula. By nightfall the

> British survivors were safe under the protection of the Royal Navy

and British army at Boston, having lost 273 men that day, while the

Americans lost 95. The following year, the colonial Americans

declared independence, a date now marked as July 4th, a national

holiday. Months after participating in the actions at Lexington and

Concord, a former slave, a black African named Salem Prince was

introduced to General George Washington as the sharpshooter who

killed Major Pitcairn at Bunker Hill (June 1775). April 19th is

celebrated as a holiday only in Massachusetts.

>

> April 19, 1943 - The Warsaw Ghetto Revolt - When Nazi SS units

tried to remove the remaining occupants of the Ghetto for

extermination and slave labor, Jewish resistance to tyranny, slavery

and religious persecution was reborn and set the spark that created

the modern state of Israel. A reading of the events surrounding the

Warsaw Ghetto Revolt in 1943 comes from a Jewish

synagogue: " Congregation: We remember the Warsaw ghetto on the dawn

of the first day of Passover, April 19, 1943. The Nazis were coming

to complete the deportation of the remaining Jews to the death camps.

A shot rang out on Nalevki Street, signaling the beginning of the

revolt. A few hundred Jews with a few guns and hand grenades had

decided to resist the tremendous power of the German army and the

Gestapo. The courageous men and women of the Jewish Fighting

Organization held out for forty-two days. " From the Warsaw Ghetto on

April 23, 1943 Mordecai Anielewicz observed " The Germans ran twice

from the

> Ghetto....The dream of my life has risen to become a

fact....Jewish armed resistance and revenge are facts. I have been

witness to the magnificent, heroic fighting of Jewish men of battle. "

A majority voting bloc of American Jews now presents a puzzling moral

and political paradox; they support victim disarmament by

registration of guns and gun owners. The unregistered guns used by

the Warsaw Jews did not have trigger locks.

>

> April 19, 1993 - Massacre of Branch Davidian religious minority

at Waco, Texas. Clinton appointee Attorney General Janet Reno

accepted " responsibility " for the disaster, but the principle of

accountability was ignored. On February 28, federal paramilitary

forces laid siege to the Branch Davidians' home and 6 Davidians and 4

ATF agents died in the initial raid. The final assault on April

resulted in the deaths of 76 Branch Davidians, including two unborn

children. Steven Barry, a U.S. Army Special Forces soldier and others

protested military involvement, but involvement of the elite Delta

Force was covered up along with many other blunders by the Clinton

Administration. Sergeant First Class Barry continued his protest by

founding the Special Forces Underground and publishing a political

warfare journal called " The Register " and was eventually hounded into

retirement. Nine Branch Davidians remain imprisoned. Nobody from the

Clinton White House, Reno's Department of Justice,

> the FBI, the BATF or the Department of Defense has been tried,

convicted or jailed. News services carried stories of a few federal

demotions and promotions of those involved.

>

> April 19, 1995 – Oklahoma City - Murrah Federal Building bombed.

Timothy McVeigh was among many Americans expressing frustration at

the lack of accountability for the Waco Incident. But McVeigh was

convicted of bombing the federal building and sentenced to death. But

could the motive for the bombing have been removed if Clinton, Reno,

the FBI, the BATF and military had been truly held accountable " with

justice for all " ? A newspaper clipping found in Timothy McVeigh's car

was titled " Waco Shootout Evokes Memory of Warsaw '43' " , comparing

the Branch Davidian tragedy with the Nazi assault on the Warsaw

Ghetto in 1943, was a letter to the editor published in The Wall

Street Journal. Federal prosecutors claimed the Waco siege so angered

McVeigh that he masterminded and carried out the bombing in Oklahoma

City.

>

> April 19, 2000 - Miami - the Elian Gonzalez standoff - As the

case of 6-year-old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez hurtles to a

confrontation between Janet Reno and the boy's Miami relatives, news

reports speculate that Reno will not send U.S. Marshals to remove

Elian tomorrow (April 19). The dark legacy of the Waco Incident hangs

heavily over the Clinton Administration and Janet Reno's Department

of Justice. Members of the Cuban-American community in Miami have

vowed to resist any attempt to physically remove Elian from his Miami

relatives.

>

> Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members,

>

> In the early 1990s there were two tragic events in the USA that

were linked and occurred excatly two years apart.

>

> The first event was the final assault on the Branch Davidian

compound at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas at dawn on April 19, 1993. On

February 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Booty and Firearms

raided the Branch Davidian ranch, resulting in the deaths of four

agents and six Davidians. The subsequent 51-day siege by the FBI

ended on April 19 when fire completely consumed the complex, killing

76 people, including 21 children and Davidian leader David Koresh -

inspiring Timothy McVeigh to carry out the Oklahoma City bombing

exactly 2 years later. Ke/Ju period was running. Tr L6 Jupiter in H3

exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4 Venus, tr L3

Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr

L10 Mars in H1 and tr L11 Moon in H9. Tr L8 Saturn in H8 exactly

aspected natal L6 Jupiter in H5. Tr Rahu exactly conjunct H5 MEP,

aspecting H1, H9 and H11. Transit Ketu conjunct H11 MEP, aspecting

H3, H5 and H7. This day had massive afflictions

> operating in the chart. The transits were almost as bad when the

raid began on February 28, 1993.

>

> The second event was the Oklahoma city bombing. At 9:02 AM CST on

Wednesday April 19, 1995 in the street in front of the Alfred P

Murrag Federal Building a rented Ryder truck containing about 5,000

pounds (2,300 kg) of explosive material detonated. The effect of the

bombing on the city was immense. Beyond the death toll - 168

confirmed dead including 19 children and one rescue worker, plus an

unidentifed leg indicating a possible 169th victim. The bomb injured

over 800 people and destroyed or damaged more than 300 buildings in

the surrounding area, leaving several hundred people homeless and

shutting down offices in downtown Oklahoma city. The nation went into

mourning for several days and President Clinton attended the Memorial

Service for the victims. The chief perpetrator Timmothy McVeigh was

captured the same day, tried and found guilty of the crime and

subesequently executed. His co-conspirators were captured, tried and

imprisoned.

> Ke/Me period was running. Transit Ketu was conjunct tr L3 Mercury

in H10. Natal L6 Jupiter was closely aspecting tr L4 Venus in H9.

Transit L8 Saturn in H8 closely aspected natal L8 Saturn in H5. Tr L6

Jupiter was exactly conjunct H5 MEP and aspecting H1, H11 and H9 and

transit L10 Mars in H1.

>

> Both events are shown to have been accompanied by massive

afflictions in the SAMVA USA chart. The astrological imprint couldn´t

be any clearer.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

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January 26, 2007

Dear Sadasivan,

Thank you for pointing out the typos. Indeed, Moon is L1.

Best wishes,

Thor

SAMVA , SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN

<sadasivan_g wrote:

>

> Dear Cosmologer,

>

> In your analysis of your first case, you have

> said that

>

> : Tr L6 Jupiter in H3

> exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4

> Venus, tr L3 Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal

> L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr L10 Mars in H1 and tr

> L11 Moon in H9. :

>

> tr Moon is mentioned as 10th lord and 11th lord

> .tr Moon is Lagna Lord Isnt it ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Sadasivan

> --- Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> > Dear list members,

> >

> > In the early 1990s there were two tragic events in

> > the USA that were linked and occurred excatly two

> > years apart.

> >

> > The first event was the final assault on the

> > Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel in Waco,

> > Texas at dawn on April 19, 1993. On February 28,

> > 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Booty and

> > Firearms raided the Branch Davidian ranch, resulting

> > in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. The

> > subsequent 51-day siege by the FBI ended on April 19

> > when fire completely consumed the complex, killing

> > 76 people, including 21 children and Davidian leader

> > David Koresh - inspiring Timothy McVeigh to carry

> > out the Oklahoma City bombing exactly 2 years later.

> > Ke/Ju period was running. Tr L6 Jupiter in H3

> > exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4

> > Venus, tr L3 Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal

> > L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr L10 Mars in H1 and tr

> > L11 Moon in H9. Tr L8 Saturn in H8 exactly aspected

> > natal L6 Jupiter in H5. Tr Rahu exactly conjunct H5

> > MEP, aspecting H1, H9 and H11. Transit Ketu conjunct

> > H11 MEP, aspecting H3, H5 and H7. This day had

> > massive afflictions

> > operating in the chart. The transits were almost as

> > bad when the raid began on February 28, 1993.

> >

> > The second event was the Oklahoma city bombing. At

> > 9:02 AM CST on Wednesday April 19, 1995 in the

> > street in front of the Alfred P Murrag Federal

> > Building a rented Ryder truck containing about 5,000

> > pounds (2,300 kg) of explosive material detonated.

> > The effect of the bombing on the city was immense.

> > Beyond the death toll - 168 confirmed dead including

> > 19 children and one rescue worker, plus an

> > unidentifed leg indicating a possible 169th victim.

> > The bomb injured over 800 people and destroyed or

> > damaged more than 300 buildings in the surrounding

> > area, leaving several hundred people homeless and

> > shutting down offices in downtown Oklahoma city. The

> > nation went into mourning for several days and

> > President Clinton attended the Memorial Service for

> > the victims. The chief perpetrator Timmothy McVeigh

> > was captured the same day, tried and found guilty of

> > the crime and subesequently executed. His

> > co-conspirators were captured, tried and imprisoned.

> > Ke/Me period was running. Transit Ketu was

> > conjunct tr L3 Mercury in H10. Natal L6 Jupiter was

> > closely aspecting tr L4 Venus in H9. Transit L8

> > Saturn in H8 closely aspected natal L8 Saturn in H5.

> > Tr L6 Jupiter was exactly conjunct H5 MEP and

> > aspecting H1, H11 and H9 and transit L10 Mars in H1.

> >

> > Both events are shown to have been accompanied by

> > massive afflictions in the SAMVA USA chart. The

> > astrological imprint couldn´t be any clearer.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

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January 28, 2007

Dear David,

Thank you for the kind words. The historical events are coming out

very clearly! More interestingly, the events in the USA are playing

out as predicted, with civil dissent over the war in Iraq now on the

increase, consistent with the significant affliction of transit Ketu

in H2 MEP to L4 Venus in H6 in the chart. Transit Ketu is also under

the aspect of natal L8 Saturn in H5. As mentioned before, the

situation is predicted to get worse in coming months, when transit L6

Jupiter in H5 conjuncts the natal L8 Saturn, while aspecting the

transit L8 Saturn in H1, which in turn will be closely aspecting L2

Sun in H7. Natally, L8 Saturn aspects L2 Sun, suggesting a karmic

predisposition to setbacks or strain with regard to functional

indications of H2 and the general indications of the Sun. President

Bush is now as unpopular in the polls as Nixon was on the eve of his

resignation from the Presidency in August of 1974.

Interestingly, I saw a very impressive documentary last night, The US

versus John Lennon. After moving to the USA in the 1970s former

Beatle Lennon became a peace activist, with staged media events for

peace, so called bag-ins or bed-ins. He also wrote the song that

became the song of the peace movement in the 1970s, Give Peace a

Chance. He also put up posters with " War is over - if you want it " in

major cities. As he met with and established friendships with famous

peace-radicals, he beame a target of the Nixon administration and

FBI. He was surveilled and followed. Then the US government tried to

revoke his passport and throw him out of the country. Lennon took on

the government to court and won the case! When he was given the Green

Card, giving him a right to live permanently in the USA, a reported

asked him if he wanted to get back at the US politicians that had

made his life so difficult for years of legal wranglings. Lennon

humorously and poignantly quipped, " I am not that way. I

believe 'Time wounds all heels'. "

I don´t think there is any accident the movie is coming out now. The

protest against the war in Iraq is being modelled on the protest

against the Vietnam war. Let us also recall that

predicted last year that the change of signs of all the slow moving

planets in October/November 2006 would result in a change in trends.

This is becoming more clear with each passing day. The US Congress

has changed hands and is now Democratically controlled and Bush is

presiding over an increasingly unpopular war. It is amazing how

effective SA astrology is, also when based on an authorative mundane

chart for a country.

Best wishes,

Thor

SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote:

>

> dear thor...

>

> great work!

>

> this gets more exciting every day!

>

> finally! the chart of USA!

>

> david hawthorne

> -

> Cosmologer

> samva

> Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:54 PM

> 2 tragic events - Waco assault & Oklahoma

bombing - in SAMVA USA chart