2 tragic events - Waco assault & Oklahoma bombing - in SAMVA USA char

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Dear Thor & John,

 

On April 19, the Sun is at 5º Aries in H6 of the 1776 rectified chart, but in H10 of the 1781 SAMVA USA chart.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

 

On 1/26/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear John,Thanks for the additional information.The two events on April 19, 1993 and April 19, 1995 were linked as

the latter was intended as some sort of symbolic revenge for theformer. In the events cited it was the general transit pattern atthose times that was exceptional and indicating setbacks.In SA, unlike western sun-sign astrology, specific days of the year,

like April 19, do not carry much significance as per the placement ofthe fast moving sun. On that day, the sun is at 4° Sagittarius H6. Itis badly placed and weak in the house of conflict, but unaspected.Thus the placement of the Sun is not especially indicative of the

events that may transpire on that day.If we were to consider days, when the transit L2 Sun comes understrain would be for instance when it crosses the stationary nodalaxis, especially if the transit nodes are in bad houses (H8, H12 and

H6) - and more so if other adverse transit contacts enter thepicture. At such times the functional and general indications of thesun would come under strain and possibly suffer a setback.As the Sun in the SAMVA USA chart is afflicted, a transit affliction

of the natal Sun would potentially be more difficult, as the slowmoving malefics in the 21° Cancer rising chart could be having a longstanding close affliction of this placements. Such placments areusually indicative of serious strain or setbacks for the US

President. One such episode occurs in the Spring of this year.However, the aspect of transit L8 Saturn in H1 on natal L2 Sun in H7will not become exact at that time. It will be close, but not reachthe exact point. This may have a bearing on the outcome, such that

the situation becomes hopefully less serious.Other potentially strained days during the year would be when the Sunis traversing the natal nodal axis at 18° Aries/Libra, or aspected bythe nodes, as well as when it is conjunct or opposite or aspected by

natal L6 Jupiter at 5° Scorpio and the same for natal L8 Saturn at27° Scorpio H5.The key message of my post, however, was the period and transitcombination surrounding these two events, in relation to the SAMVA

USA chart, were dramatic and exceptional and consistent with thesetbacks that occurred.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote:

>> Thanks Thor>> Please find pasted here, below, snippets of some events thehistory April 19.>> Thanks,>> John>> History of April 19th: Oklahoma City, Waco, Warsaw, Concord

> Sun Tzu's Newswire (STN 2000-025)> by Richard Rongstad> Tuesday, April 18, 2000> 10:30 am U.S. Pacific Time>> April 19th is just around the corner. Are you ready? The

nineteenth day of April has very special meanings for all Americans,and all Jews. April 19th is a crossroads in history where sufferingand sacrifice, patriotism and tyranny, liberty and slavery, religiouspersecution and bigotry all intersect, again, and again. For citizens

of Massachusetts, April 19th marks Patriot's Day and for allAmericans, the date of the " Shot heard 'round the world " , whencolonial militias defied orders to surrender their guns and routed

King George's redcoats. For Jews, April 19th is the day Nazi stormtroops surrounded the Warsaw Ghetto, sparking a revolt led by a fewyoung Jews who refused to be enslaved or incinerated. For modernAmerican patriots, April 19th marks the day 76 members of a religious

minority died in an assault by federal paramilitary forces, aided andadvised by regular military units. For the people of Oklahoma City,April 19th marks the day that 168 people died in an> explosion at the Murrah Federal Building.

>> April 19, 1775 - The shot heard 'round the world: The Battles atLexington Green and Concord Bridge. Warned by Paul Revere, WilliamDawes and Samuel Prescott, the Massachusetts militia mobilized to

block a larger, better trained British force coming to seize militiaweapons at Concord. At Lexington, Major John Pitcairn leading adetachment of Royal Marines told the colonists there: " Disperse, yourebels! Damn you, through down your arms, and disperse! " Nobody knows

who fired the first shot at Lexington Green, but the colonial militiarefused confiscation of their guns and the British drove them back inthe initial encounter. After regrouping the colonial militia didbetter, turning back the British at Concord Bridge and forcing a

disorderly British flight back to Boston. The road back became adeadly gauntlet as farmers from " every Middlesex village and farm " sniped from behind stone walls, trees, barns, houses, all the way

back to Charlestown peninsula. By nightfall the> British survivors were safe under the protection of the Royal Navyand British army at Boston, having lost 273 men that day, while theAmericans lost 95. The following year, the colonial Americans

declared independence, a date now marked as July 4th, a nationalholiday. Months after participating in the actions at Lexington andConcord, a former slave, a black African named Salem Prince wasintroduced to General George Washington as the sharpshooter who

killed Major Pitcairn at Bunker Hill (June 1775). April 19th iscelebrated as a holiday only in Massachusetts.>> April 19, 1943 - The Warsaw Ghetto Revolt - When Nazi SS unitstried to remove the remaining occupants of the Ghetto for

extermination and slave labor, Jewish resistance to tyranny, slaveryand religious persecution was reborn and set the spark that createdthe modern state of Israel. A reading of the events surrounding theWarsaw Ghetto Revolt in 1943 comes from a Jewish

synagogue: " Congregation: We remember the Warsaw ghetto on the dawnof the first day of Passover, April 19, 1943. The Nazis were comingto complete the deportation of the remaining Jews to the death camps.

A shot rang out on Nalevki Street, signaling the beginning of therevolt. A few hundred Jews with a few guns and hand grenades haddecided to resist the tremendous power of the German army and theGestapo. The courageous men and women of the Jewish Fighting

Organization held out for forty-two days. " From the Warsaw Ghetto onApril 23, 1943 Mordecai Anielewicz observed " The Germans ran twicefrom the> Ghetto....The dream of my life has risen to become a

fact....Jewish armed resistance and revenge are facts. I have beenwitness to the magnificent, heroic fighting of Jewish men of battle. " A majority voting bloc of American Jews now presents a puzzling moral

and political paradox; they support victim disarmament byregistration of guns and gun owners. The unregistered guns used bythe Warsaw Jews did not have trigger locks.>> April 19, 1993 - Massacre of Branch Davidian religious minority

at Waco, Texas. Clinton appointee Attorney General Janet Renoaccepted " responsibility " for the disaster, but the principle ofaccountability was ignored. On February 28, federal paramilitaryforces laid siege to the Branch Davidians' home and 6 Davidians and 4

ATF agents died in the initial raid. The final assault on Aprilresulted in the deaths of 76 Branch Davidians, including two unbornchildren. Steven Barry, a U.S. Army Special Forces soldier and othersprotested military involvement, but involvement of the elite Delta

Force was covered up along with many other blunders by the ClintonAdministration. Sergeant First Class Barry continued his protest byfounding the Special Forces Underground and publishing a politicalwarfare journal called " The Register " and was eventually hounded into

retirement. Nine Branch Davidians remain imprisoned. Nobody from theClinton White House, Reno's Department of Justice,> the FBI, the BATF or the Department of Defense has been tried,convicted or jailed. News services carried stories of a few federal

demotions and promotions of those involved.>> April 19, 1995 – Oklahoma City - Murrah Federal Building bombed.Timothy McVeigh was among many Americans expressing frustration atthe lack of accountability for the Waco Incident. But McVeigh was

convicted of bombing the federal building and sentenced to death. Butcould the motive for the bombing have been removed if Clinton, Reno,the FBI, the BATF and military had been truly held accountable " with

justice for all " ? A newspaper clipping found in Timothy McVeigh's carwas titled " Waco Shootout Evokes Memory of Warsaw '43' " , comparingthe Branch Davidian tragedy with the Nazi assault on the Warsaw

Ghetto in 1943, was a letter to the editor published in The WallStreet Journal. Federal prosecutors claimed the Waco siege so angeredMcVeigh that he masterminded and carried out the bombing in OklahomaCity.

>> April 19, 2000 - Miami - the Elian Gonzalez standoff - As thecase of 6-year-old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez hurtles to aconfrontation between Janet Reno and the boy's Miami relatives, news

reports speculate that Reno will not send U.S. Marshals to removeElian tomorrow (April 19). The dark legacy of the Waco Incident hangsheavily over the Clinton Administration and Janet Reno's Departmentof Justice. Members of the Cuban-American community in Miami have

vowed to resist any attempt to physically remove Elian from his Miamirelatives.>>>> Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members,>> In the early 1990s there were two tragic events in the USA that

were linked and occurred excatly two years apart.>> The first event was the final assault on the Branch Davidiancompound at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas at dawn on April 19, 1993. OnFebruary 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Booty and Firearms

raided the Branch Davidian ranch, resulting in the deaths of fouragents and six Davidians. The subsequent 51-day siege by the FBIended on April 19 when fire completely consumed the complex, killing76 people, including 21 children and Davidian leader David Koresh -

inspiring Timothy McVeigh to carry out the Oklahoma City bombingexactly 2 years later. Ke/Ju period was running. Tr L6 Jupiter in H3exactly aspected natal L3 Mercury in H7 and tr L4 Venus, tr L3Mercury and tr L10 Moon in H9 . Natal L6 Jupiter exactly aspected tr

L10 Mars in H1 and tr L11 Moon in H9. Tr L8 Saturn in H8 exactlyaspected natal L6 Jupiter in H5. Tr Rahu exactly conjunct H5 MEP,aspecting H1, H9 and H11. Transit Ketu conjunct H11 MEP, aspectingH3, H5 and H7. This day had massive afflictions

> operating in the chart. The transits were almost as bad when theraid began on February 28, 1993.>> The second event was the Oklahoma city bombing. At 9:02 AM CST onWednesday April 19, 1995 in the street in front of the Alfred P

Murrag Federal Building a rented Ryder truck containing about 5,000pounds (2,300 kg) of explosive material detonated. The effect of thebombing on the city was immense. Beyond the death toll - 168confirmed dead including 19 children and one rescue worker, plus an

unidentifed leg indicating a possible 169th victim. The bomb injuredover 800 people and destroyed or damaged more than 300 buildings inthe surrounding area, leaving several hundred people homeless andshutting down offices in downtown Oklahoma city. The nation went into

mourning for several days and President Clinton attended the MemorialService for the victims. The chief perpetrator Timmothy McVeigh wascaptured the same day, tried and found guilty of the crime andsubesequently executed. His co-conspirators were captured, tried and

imprisoned.> Ke/Me period was running. Transit Ketu was conjunct tr L3 Mercuryin H10. Natal L6 Jupiter was closely aspecting tr L4 Venus in H9.Transit L8 Saturn in H8 closely aspected natal L8 Saturn in H5. Tr L6

Jupiter was exactly conjunct H5 MEP and aspecting H1, H11 and H9 andtransit L10 Mars in H1.>> Both events are shown to have been accompanied by massiveafflictions in the SAMVA USA chart. The astrological imprint couldn´t

be any clearer.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>> > Never miss an email again!> Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it

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