US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

[Guest guest]

Dear List Members,

 

Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2, 1776, about the possibility of US air accidents & serious worsening of US foreign affairs, posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have already seen the following events:

 

1) msg # 12699, US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

2) msg # 12691, Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very damning' posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692, Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings' posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm

3) msg # 12702, Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, Putin: U.S. force encouraging nuclear ambitions posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708, Putin's speech: Back to cold war? posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can still see the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during security conference in Germany in CNN News today, in http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html

 

It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

Thank you for detailed information.

 

For the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that based

on the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict that

there will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in

coming weeks and months, as:

 

1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more importantly

the Saturn sub-period

 

2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationary

exact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio

in H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key influence

 

3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal L4

Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio in H1

will be a key influence.

 

4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from MEPs in

the chart.

 

5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have moved

away from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleeting

manner.

 

6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun at

20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart.

 

Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty for

government and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass into

aspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy contacts

between Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be the

dominating influences.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear List Members,

>

> Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2,

1776, about

> the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of US

foreign

> affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have

already

> seen the following events:

>

> 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on Fri

> Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

> 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very

> damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692,

> *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm

> 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on Sat

> Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force encouraging

nuclear

> ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708,

*Putin's speech:

> Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can

still see

> the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during

security

> conference in Germany in CNN News today, in

> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html

>

> It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

[Guest guest]



Congratulations, dear Mr. Jorge.

 

-

 

Jorge Angelino

SAMVA

Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:44 PM

US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

 

Dear List Members,

 

Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2, 1776, about the possibility of US air accidents & serious worsening of US foreign affairs, posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have already seen the following events:

 

1) msg # 12699, US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

2) msg # 12691, Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very damning' posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692, Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings' posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm

3) msg # 12702, Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, Putin: U.S. force encouraging nuclear ambitions posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708, Putin's speech: Back to cold war? posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can still see the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during security conference in Germany in CNN News today, in http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html

 

It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

[Guest guest]

Thank you my dear Professor.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 2/11/07, siha <siha

> wrote:



Congratulations, dear Mr. Jorge.

-

 

 

Jorge Angelino

 

SAMVA

Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:44 PM

US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

 

Dear List Members,

 

Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2, 1776, about the possibility of US air accidents & serious worsening of US foreign affairs, posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have already seen the following events:

 

1) msg # 12699, US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

2) msg # 12691, Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very damning' posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692, Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings' posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm

3) msg # 12702, Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, Putin: U.S. force encouraging nuclear ambitions posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708, Putin's speech: Back to cold war? posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can still see the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during security conference in Germany in CNN News today, in http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html

 

It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor and Jorge,

 

Congratulations to Jorge for the accuracy of his predictions through his

hybrid approach.

 

Secondly, thanks to Thor for providing analysis of the events to come in the

Sc chart. I hope that all observers and participants agree that this

analysis sits firmly on the foundations of SA and the liklihood is strong.

It should also be clear that the opposite outcome is unlikely.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:42 AM

Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

 

 

Dear Jorge,

 

Thank you for detailed information.

 

For the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that based

on the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict that

there will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in

coming weeks and months, as:

 

1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more importantly

the Saturn sub-period

 

2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationary

exact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio

in H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key influence

 

3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal L4

Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio in H1

will be a key influence.

 

4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from MEPs in

the chart.

 

5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have moved

away from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleeting

manner.

 

6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun at

20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart.

 

Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty for

government and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass into

aspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy contacts

between Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be the

dominating influences.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear List Members,

>

> Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2,

1776, about

> the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of US

foreign

> affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have

already

> seen the following events:

>

> 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on Fri

> Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

> 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very

> damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692,

> *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm

> 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on Sat

> Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force encouraging

nuclear

> ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708,

*Putin's speech:

> Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can

still see

> the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during

security

> conference in Germany in CNN News today, in

> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html

>

> It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

[Guest guest]

My dear Vyas,

 

Thank you for your kind words regarding my " hybrid " approach.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 2/11/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Dear Thor and Jorge,Congratulations to Jorge for the accuracy of his predictions through hishybrid approach.

Secondly, thanks to Thor for providing analysis of the events to come in theSc chart. I hope that all observers and participants agree that thisanalysis sits firmly on the foundations of SA and the liklihood is strong.

It should also be clear that the opposite outcome is unlikely.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- " cosmologer " <

cosmologer<SAMVA >Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:42 AM Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

Dear Jorge,Thank you for detailed information.For the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that basedon the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict thatthere will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in

coming weeks and months, as:1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more importantlythe Saturn sub-period2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationaryexact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio

in H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key influence3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal L4Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio in H1

will be a key influence.4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from MEPs inthe chart.5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have movedaway from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleeting

manner.6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun at20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart.Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty for

government and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass intoaspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy contactsbetween Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be thedominating influences.

Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear List Members,>

> Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2,1776, about> the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of USforeign> affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have

already> seen the following events:>> 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on Fri> Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm> 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very

> damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692,> *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm> 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on Sat

> Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force encouragingnuclear> ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708,*Putin's speech:> Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can

still see> the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin duringsecurity> conference in Germany in CNN News today, in>

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html>> It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

You are most welcome. Your breadth of knowledge and skillful application is

always impressive. I am always open to progress and furtherance of any

subject if it holds up consistently.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

<SAMVA >

Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:21 PM

Re: Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

 

 

> My dear Vyas,

>

> Thank you for your kind words regarding my " hybrid " approach.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

>

> On 2/11/07, Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Thor and Jorge,

>>

>> Congratulations to Jorge for the accuracy of his predictions through his

>> hybrid approach.

>>

>> Secondly, thanks to Thor for providing analysis of the events to come in

>> the

>> Sc chart. I hope that all observers and participants agree that this

>> analysis sits firmly on the foundations of SA and the liklihood is

>> strong.

>> It should also be clear that the opposite outcome is unlikely.

>>

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Vyas Munidas

>>

>>

>> -

>> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

>> <SAMVA >

>> Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:42 AM

>> Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

>>

>>

>> Dear Jorge,

>>

>> Thank you for detailed information.

>>

>> For the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that based

>> on the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict that

>> there will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in

>> coming weeks and months, as:

>>

>> 1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more importantly

>> the Saturn sub-period

>>

>> 2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationary

>> exact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio

>> in H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key influence

>>

>> 3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal L4

>> Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio in H1

>> will be a key influence.

>>

>> 4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from MEPs in

>> the chart.

>>

>> 5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have moved

>> away from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleeting

>> manner.

>>

>> 6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun at

>> 20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart.

>>

>> Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty for

>> government and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass into

>> aspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy contacts

>> between Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be the

>> dominating influences.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>>

>> Thor

>>

>> SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

>> wrote:

>> >

>> > Dear List Members,

>> >

>> > Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2,

>> 1776, about

>> > the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of US

>> foreign

>> > affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have

>> already

>> > seen the following events:

>> >

>> > 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on Fri

>> > Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

>> > 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very

>> > damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692,

>> > *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm

>> > 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on Sat

>> > Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force encouraging

>> nuclear

>> > ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708,

>> *Putin's speech:

>> > Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can

>> still see

>> > the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during

>> security

>> > conference in Germany in CNN News today, in

>> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html

>> >

>> > It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

>> >

>> > Best wishes,

>> >

>> > Jorge

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

My dear Thor,

 

Thank you for your email. However, I would not be so sure regarding growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in the coming weeks and months. One of the reasons has to do with the fact of the MMP, Venus, being a fast moving planet and the other FMP, Mars, being also a semi-fast planet, so the probability of transit contacts of FMPs over natal/transit positions is higher. The other reason it is exactly due to the permanent aspect of transit Jupiter over transit Saturn, as Saturn is L4 in D1, and Jupiter is not only a L2 exactly placed over MEP8 in D1, but also L8 in D4, L8 in D5, L12 in D6, L8 in D11 & L8 in D2. Last but not least is the fact of the stationary affliction of Rahu over weak natal Sun, and natal/transit Saturn being in longitudes close to the stationary nodes. Also, till July 16, transit Saturn, L4, would be disposed by the Moon, putting the destiny of the country too much dependent on the fluctuations of emotions.

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Jorge,Thank you for detailed information.MarsFor the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that based

on the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict thatthere will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA incoming weeks and months, as:1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more importantly

the Saturn sub-period2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationaryexact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpioin H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key influence

3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal L4Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio in H1will be a key influence.4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from MEPs in

the chart.5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have movedaway from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleetingmanner.6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun at

20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart.Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty forgovernment and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass intoaspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy contacts

between Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be thedominating influences.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <

jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear List Members,>> Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2,1776, about> the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of US

foreign> affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we havealready> seen the following events:>> 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on Fri> Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

> 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very> damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692,> *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm

> 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on Sat> Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force encouragingnuclear> ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708,

*Putin's speech:> Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we canstill see> the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin duringsecurity> conference in Germany in CNN News today, in

> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html>> It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

Thanks for your take on the chart. Perhaps the best insight can come

from natal charts of Scorpio rising persons in our lives. I have a

Scorpio ascendant person in my immediate family and the Venus and

Mars in that chart are not afflicting natally and the Mars is weak by

degree and the Venus is badly placed. The life of the person,

however, is generally pleasant, even when the Venus and Mars are

meeting up with sensitive points. Moreover, when L2 Jupiter and L4

Saturn are connected in transit a favourable time is enjoyed.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> My dear Thor,

>

> Thank you for your email. However, I would not be so sure regarding

growing

> peace and communal happiness in the USA in the coming weeks and

months. One

> of the reasons has to do with the fact of the MMP, Venus, being a

fast

> moving planet and the other FMP, Mars, being also a semi-fast

planet, so the

> probability of transit contacts of FMPs over natal/transit

positions is

> higher. The other reason it is exactly due to the permanent aspect

of

> transit Jupiter over transit Saturn, as Saturn is L4 in D1, and

Jupiter is

> not only a L2 exactly placed over MEP8 in D1, but also L8 in D4, L8

in D5,

> L12 in D6, L8 in D11 & L8 in D2. Last but not least is the fact of

the

> stationary affliction of Rahu over weak natal Sun, and

natal/transit Saturn

> being in longitudes close to the stationary nodes. Also, till July

16,

> transit Saturn, L4, would be disposed by the Moon, putting the

destiny of

> the country too much dependent on the fluctuations of emotions.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

>

> On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jorge,

> >

> > Thank you for detailed information.

> > Mars

> > For the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that based

> > on the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict

that

> > there will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in

> > coming weeks and months, as:

> >

> > 1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more

importantly

> > the Saturn sub-period

> >

> > 2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationary

> > exact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24°

Scorpio

> > in H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key

influence

> >

> > 3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal

L4

> > Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio

in H1

> > will be a key influence.

> >

> > 4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from

MEPs in

> > the chart.

> >

> > 5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have

moved

> > away from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleeting

> > manner.

> >

> > 6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun

at

> > 20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart.

> >

> > Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty for

> > government and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass into

> > aspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy

contacts

> > between Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be the

> > dominating influences.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear List Members,

> > >

> > > Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2,

> > 1776, about

> > > the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of US

> > foreign

> > > affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we

have

> > already

> > > seen the following events:

> > >

> > > 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on

Fri

> > > Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

> > > 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very

> > > damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692,

> > > *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007

5:59 pm

> > > 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on

Sat

> > > Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force

encouraging

> > nuclear

> > > ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708,

> > *Putin's speech:

> > > Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we

can

> > still see

> > > the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during

> > security

> > > conference in Germany in CNN News today, in

> > >

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html

> > >

> > > It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Jorge

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello dear Thor and Group,

 

It would be interesting to see if that person in your family has Jupiter as dhustana lords in their divisional charts.

 

I am enjoying the new usage of the divisional planets as they are still

in alignment with the SA, it's just nobody has taken the time to

research it diligently enough until Jorge it would seem.

 

Mahalo,

Thanks.

 

SallyOn 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Jorge,Thanks for your take on the chart. Perhaps the best insight can comefrom natal charts of Scorpio rising persons in our lives. I have aScorpio ascendant person in my immediate family and the Venus and

Mars in that chart are not afflicting natally and the Mars is weak bydegree and the Venus is badly placed. The life of the person,however, is generally pleasant, even when the Venus and Mars aremeeting up with sensitive points. Moreover, when L2 Jupiter and L4

Saturn are connected in transit a favourable time is enjoyed.Best wishes,Thor

Waves of LoveEntering the PlanetIt's inevitable. It's contagious~

[Guest guest]

Dear Sally,

 

The person has Jupiter as dusthana lord in D-8 and D-12. However, I

don´t think that matters. In SA, the focus is mostly on the lord of

H1, assuming it is an MT sign, in reading the divisional chart. The

house and sign placement of a planet in a divisional chart, as well

as aspects, may also offer supporting information for the overall

reading of its influence as per the Rasi chart.

 

I would only say that such an approach, to focus on far removed

elements, seems to to take the focus away from the salient

influences. The issue boils down to what is important and not

important in the analysis and what makes sense and what doesn´t. To

promote analytical detail as equally important as the salient

analytical elements is not helpful if it gets one reasoning for

unreasonable things.

 

If we just follow the basic principles of SA we are not at risk of

losing the perspective of what is important. We are thus more likely

to enjoy accurate chart interpretation, prediction and prescription

of remedies. After all, that is what we are seeking, right?

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

SAMVA , " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote:

>

> Hello dear Thor and Group,

>

> It would be interesting to see if that person in your family has

Jupiter as

> dhustana lords in their divisional charts.

>

> I am enjoying the new usage of the divisional planets as they are

still in

> alignment with the SA, it's just nobody has taken the time to

research it

> diligently enough until Jorge it would seem.

>

> Mahalo,

> Thanks.

>

> Sally

>

> On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jorge,

> >

> > Thanks for your take on the chart. Perhaps the best insight can

come

> > from natal charts of Scorpio rising persons in our lives. I have a

> > Scorpio ascendant person in my immediate family and the Venus and

> > Mars in that chart are not afflicting natally and the Mars is

weak by

> > degree and the Venus is badly placed. The life of the person,

> > however, is generally pleasant, even when the Venus and Mars are

> > meeting up with sensitive points. Moreover, when L2 Jupiter and L4

> > Saturn are connected in transit a favourable time is enjoyed.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> >

> >

>

> Waves of Love

> Entering the Planet

> It's inevitable. It's contagious~

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sally,

 

You are right. I strongly advise everyone to study the Professor's book, HOW TO STUDY DIVISIONAL CHARTS. Here is the Chapter 3:

 

METHODOLOGY TO STUDY DIVISIONAL CHARTS

 

 

 

 

Although ancient astrological texts mention how to work out the divisional charts and importance of their study, nowhere is an integrated approach for study of the divisional charts available. Solitary principles (sutras), indicating that if a particular planet is in a particular sign in a particular divisional chart then the results would be so and so, find place in the text and commentaries of ancient astrological writers. These texts and commentaries are suffering from both omissions and interpolations because of the absence of recording facilities in ancient times. Therefore, we have to be careful in adopting only the classical principles which have stood the test of time. These classical principles have to be read in conjunction with one another and not in isolation.

 

 

1. First of all, the birth data should be correct for study of any divisional chart. In D-charts we take into account the analysis of position changing with a difference of even one minute in the time of birth.

 

 

2. As there is every possibility of some amount of error in recording the time of birth even in cases where utmost care has been taken to record the correct time of birth, it is imperative that divisional analysis is taken up only up to D-XII. For divisional analysis beyond D-XII, only the sign position of the lord of the corresponding house containing a mooltrikona sign and the natural significator planet(s) should be considered in the concerned D-charts, and if they are afflicted or not by Rahu and/or Ketu. The ascendant as well as its lord in the divisional charts beyond D-XII could prove to be unreliable.

 

 

3. The longitudes of ascendant and planets should be correctly worked out along with divisional charts.

4. The study of the divisional charts should be taken up along with the main chart. The divisional charts are used for trying the strength of the planets. In the divisional charts we study the strength of the following:

(i) the lord of the house containing a mooltrikona sign of a particular signification in D-I;(ii) the significator of that particular aspect of life; and(iii) the lord of the ascendant of the concerned divisional chart if it contains a mooltrikona sign.

 

5. A planet that is weak in D-I on account of debilitation or on any other account, until and unless strengthened during the course of its sub-periods, would hardly be of any help to the significations of its concerned divisional charts. In this connection, the readers may please refer to Chapter 4 on 'Analysing Debilitated Planets' for detailed study.

 

 

6. A natal planet that is weak due to combustion lacks power to protect or promote the house and significations ruled by it. In this connection, the readers may please refer to Chapter 5 on 'Analysing Combust Planets' for detailed study.

 

 

7. In D-I, whenever slow moving malefic planets in transit afflict by close conjunction/aspect the natal planets or the most effective point of any house, they cause prolonged stress related to the houses and planets involved.

 

8. In D-I, whenever planets in transit form close conjunctions/aspects amongst themselves, the happenings occur depending upon their functional nature in connection with the houses with reference to a particular ascendant.

 

9. In D-I, whenever the slow moving transit planets form close conjunction with or become closely aspected by natal functional malefic planet(s), it triggers significant undesirable incidents concerning the planets involved.

 

10. Occupation of the ascendant of divisional chart by the nodes or the eighth lord of the D-chart creates stress for the significations of the D-chart. The good placement in D-chart of the lord of the relevant house of D-I and the significator helps in promoting the significations of the D-chart. The bad placement in D-chart of the lord(s) of the relevant house(s) of D-I and the significator of the particular aspect of life causes stress regarding the significations of the D-chart.

 

 

11. The strength of planets in rasi chart should be given due consideration.

 

12. The planets influencing the ascendant, angles and trines of D-charts and the significator by conjunction/aspect touch the significations of the concerned divisional charts in their sub-periods.

 

13. Occupation of angles/trines by nodes in D-charts do not bless the native with good results in the relevant fields.

 

14. Any planet which is exalted in rasi chart and debilitated in the D-chart will give ordinary results.

 

15. For timing specific events, the strength of the lord of the sub-period is examined in the birth chart, D-chart, and transit.

The strength of the sub-period lord in D-chart is of paramount importance.

 

 

16. When both the lords of the main period and sub-period are functional malefics, they denote destruction and loss in contrast with the functional benefics, which do no harm and promote their significations.

 

 

17. If a functional malefic planet is closely related with another functional malefic and is badly placed, it produces tension in its own sub-periods as well as in the sub-periods of other functional malefics in its own main period.

 

 

18. The transit influences are considered only in D-I.

 

19. The planetary aspects are considered in the D-charts. Even though not being categorized as close, exact or wide they are treated as close aspects.

 

 

20. The planets placed in the malefic houses of a D-chart become also weak for that reason, but this weakness is milder than the weakness of planets placed in the malefic houses of D-I. This weakness is considered for the significations of the relevant D-chart only.

21. If a planet is a functional benefic in D-I but turns out to be a functional malefic for the D-Chart, t

he intensity of its maleficness in the D-chart is less than when we consider a similar maleficness in D-I and is only applicable for the concerned D-chart

i.e. its malefic impact would be limited to the respective D-Chart only and the influence would be applicable only in a milder way.

The influence of bad placements and afflictions in divisional charts through aspects and conjunctions is 20% of such bad placements and afflictions in the rasi chart.

 

CONTROVERSY

 

 

There has been a controversy whether the varga charts should be read independently or as a supplement to the main chart. Some opine that the divisional charts could only supplement what was shown in the basic chart and that the intensity of benefic and malefic results pertaining to any particular D-chart depends upon the strength or weakness of the planets in D-I. However, some others advocate that the divisional charts should be read independently.

 

The study of various charts together with their divisional charts shows that divisional charts have to be read only as a supplement to the birth charts. The rasi chart and the divisional charts are inter-related and have to be read in conjunction with each other. The apparent strength acquired by the planets by being in own mooltrikona sign or by being in exaltation in the birth chart may produce ordinary or negative result if these occupy the debilitated sign in divisional charts or are afflicted in the divisional charts. As against this, the weakness of planets due to debilitation, combustion, etc., in the zodiac at any given time cannot be made good even if they occupy exalted amsa in any particular divisional chart. This is as per the views of one of the main propounders of Vedic Astrology, Maharishi Parashara. We can safely infer that the natural weakness of planets cannot be made up even by joining good/benefic divisions i.e. by being well placed and not debilitated in D-charts. Even though a different subject, we can also say that the natural weakness of planets cannot be made up even by obtaining maximum benefic points in Ashtakavarga. Ashtakvarga is another way of trying the strength of the planets in classical astrology.

 

 

As our stress is to make the study of astrology scientific, we have to test each and every dictum provided to us by classical works in our laboratory, I mean, sufficient number of charts are to be analysed for empirical studies. The weakness of planets arising due to the sources of weakness mentioned in chapter 2, until and unless strengthened, is permanent. If the weak planet becomes the lord of the ascendant of the divisional chart, the significations of the division concerned suffer further.

 

For timing the events, the sub-period of a strong planet or a strengthened planet, which is auspiciously placed in the divisional chart, with reference to the ascendant of the divisional chart, should be selected. The weakness or affliction should be guarded by using astrological remedial measures.

 

In D-charts, the close conjunction/aspect of the D-chart functional benefics with the ascendant, relevant significators and trines regarding the ascendant boost the significations of the divisional charts in their sub-periods. The D-chart functional malefics in such a state damage the significations of the divisional charts in their sub-periods.

 

Needless to emphasize the importance and necessity of studying the divisional charts as it helps us in accurately analysing the horoscope to meet the requirements of complexities in modern life. For progress, each and every step in life has to be planned ahead from the very beginning. The questions astrologers have to face are specific in nature for the specified time, which can only be answered after due consideration of the divisional charts. Quite often we come across horoscopes where rasi charts promise a good future in some particular sector, yet the results may be totally different. I am citing also a few charts which show that the study of rasi chart and divisional charts is interdependent. Sometimes, the natives suffer because of weak combinations in the birth chart, itself, and sometimes, they suffer due to planetary weaknesses and afflictions emerging in the D-charts. However, as indicated earlier, the divisional charts have to be read always as a supplement to the birth charts.

 

 

Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for the outcome of any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts or more, even though it is a FBP in D1.

 

Aloha,

 

Jorge

On 2/11/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:

 

Hello dear Thor and Group,It would be interesting to see if that person in your family has Jupiter as dhustana lords in their divisional charts.I am enjoying the new usage of the divisional planets as they are still in alignment with the SA, it's just nobody has taken the time to research it diligently enough until Jorge it would seem.

Mahalo, Thanks. Sally

On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer

> wrote: Dear Jorge,Thanks for your take on the chart. Perhaps the best insight can comefrom natal charts of Scorpio rising persons in our lives. I have a

Scorpio ascendant person in my immediate family and the Venus and Mars in that chart are not afflicting natally and the Mars is weak bydegree and the Venus is badly placed. The life of the person,however, is generally pleasant, even when the Venus and Mars are

meeting up with sensitive points. Moreover, when L2 Jupiter and L4 Saturn are connected in transit a favourable time is enjoyed.Best wishes,ThorWaves of Love

Entering the PlanetIt's inevitable. It's contagious~

[Guest guest]

Dear List Members,

 

we are on the fourth/last day of my prediction, and the news today are:

 

Monday, 12 February 2007, 05:36 GMT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Democrats wary over Iran claims

 

 

 

 

 

 

US handouts showed weapons retrieved from attacksSenior Democrats in the United States have urged the Bush administration to be cautious about accusing Iran of fomenting violence in Iraq.

They were speaking after US officials in Iraq said they had evidence that Iran was providing weapons to Shia militias who attacked the US military. US claims the bombs were smuggled from Iran cannot be independently verified. Democrat Senator Chris Dodd said the Bush administration had tried to falsify evidence before. " I'm looking at this report with a degree of scepticism, " he said.

" I don't doubt that Iran has been involved to some degree and clearly that's a problem that needs to be addressed, but I'm getting uneasy that they're trying to create a premise, set a premise, for some future, broader military action in Iran.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We assess that these activities are coming from the senior levels of the Iranian government

 

 

US official

" I think that would be a huge mistake at this point, " said Mr Dodd. Another senior Democrat, Senator John Kerry, said that people should " listen to those of us in Congress who have said we've got to engage in the region. " The Bush administration denies it is planning to invade Iran but has indicated it is willing to use military force to deal with any Iranian interference inside Iraq, says the BBC's James Westhead in Washington. Tehran has denied any involvement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6352899.stm

 

Even the Democrats are saying that the Bush administration had tried to falsify evidence before.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 2/11/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:

 

Dear List Members,

 

Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2, 1776, about the possibility of US air accidents & serious worsening of US foreign affairs, posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have already seen the following events:

 

1) msg # 12699, US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm

2) msg # 12691, Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very damning' posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692, Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings' posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm

3) msg # 12702, Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, Putin: U.S. force encouraging nuclear ambitions posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708, Putin's speech: Back to cold war? posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can still see the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during security conference in Germany in CNN News today, in http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html

 

It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

Thanks for all the insightful work of yours.

I have a question regarding your inference as in below

" Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for the

outcome of any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts or

more, even though it is a FBP in D1. "

I presume what you are indicating is that since 20% weightage is

given to a Planet in the D chart, in 5 D chart or more it is 100% or

more hence the outcome might change even though FB?

 

Please opine.

 

Regards

Amit

 

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> *Dear Sally,*

> **

> *You are right. I strongly advise everyone to study the Professor's

book,

> HOW TO STUDY DIVISIONAL CHARTS. Here is the Chapter 3:*

>

>

> *METHODOLOGY TO STUDY DIVISIONAL CHARTS*

>

>

>

> Although ancient astrological texts mention how to work out the

divisional

> charts and importance of their study, nowhere is an integrated

approach for

> study of the divisional charts available. Solitary principles

(sutras),

> indicating that if a particular planet is in a particular sign in a

> particular divisional chart then the results would be so and so,

find place

> in the text and commentaries of ancient astrological writers. These

texts

> and commentaries are suffering from both omissions and

interpolations

> because of the absence of recording facilities in ancient times.

Therefore,

> we have to be careful in adopting only the classical principles

which have

> stood the test of time. These classical principles have to be read

in

> conjunction with one another and not in isolation.

>

> 1. First of all, the birth data should be correct for study of any

> divisional chart. In D-charts we take into account the analysis of

position

> changing with a difference of even one minute in the time of birth.

>

> 2. As there is every possibility of some amount of error in

recording the

> time of birth even in cases where utmost care has been taken to

record the

> correct time of birth, it is imperative that divisional analysis is

taken up

> only up to D-XII. For divisional analysis beyond D-XII, only the

sign

> position of the lord of the corresponding house containing a

mooltrikona

> sign and the natural significator planet(s) should be considered in

the

> concerned D-charts, and if they are afflicted or not by Rahu and/or

Ketu.

> The ascendant as well as its lord in the divisional charts beyond D-

XII

> could prove to be unreliable.

>

> 3. The longitudes of ascendant and planets should be correctly

worked out

> along with divisional charts.

>

> 4. The study of the divisional charts should be taken up along with

the main

> chart. The divisional charts are used for trying the strength of the

> planets. In the divisional charts we study the strength of the

following:

>

> (i) the lord of the house containing a mooltrikona sign of a

particular

> signification in D-I;

> (ii) the significator of that particular aspect of life; and

> (iii) the lord of the ascendant of the concerned divisional chart

if it

> contains a mooltrikona sign.

>

> 5. A planet that is weak in D-I on account of debilitation or on

any other

> account, until and unless strengthened during the course of its sub-

periods,

> would hardly be of any help to the significations of its concerned

> divisional charts. In this connection, the readers may please refer

to

> Chapter 4 on 'Analysing Debilitated Planets' for detailed study.

>

> 6. A natal planet that is weak due to combustion lacks power to

protect or

> promote the house and significations ruled by it. In this

connection, the

> readers may please refer to Chapter 5 on 'Analysing Combust

Planets' for

> detailed study.

>

> 7. In D-I, whenever slow moving malefic planets in transit afflict

by close

> conjunction/aspect the natal planets or the most effective point of

any

> house, they cause prolonged stress related to the houses and planets

> involved.

>

> 8. In D-I, whenever planets in transit form close

conjunctions/aspects

> amongst themselves, the happenings occur depending upon their

functional

> nature in connection with the houses with reference to a particular

> ascendant.

>

> 9. In D-I, whenever the slow moving transit planets form close

conjunction

> with or become closely aspected by natal functional malefic planet

(s), it

> triggers significant undesirable incidents concerning the planets

involved.

>

>

> 10. Occupation of the ascendant of divisional chart by the nodes or

the

> eighth lord of the D-chart creates stress for the significations of

the

> D-chart. The good placement in D-chart of the lord of the relevant

house of

> D-I and the significator helps in promoting the significations of

the

> D-chart. The bad placement in D-chart of the lord(s) of the relevant

> house(s) of D-I and the significator of the particular aspect of

life causes

> stress regarding the significations of the D-chart.

>

> 11. The strength of planets in rasi chart should be given due

consideration.

>

> 12. The planets influencing the ascendant, angles and trines of D-

charts and

> the significator by conjunction/aspect touch the significations of

the

> concerned divisional charts in their sub-periods.

>

> 13. Occupation of angles/trines by nodes in D-charts do not bless

the native

> with good results in the relevant fields.

>

> 14. Any planet which is exalted in rasi chart and debilitated in

the D-chart

> will give ordinary results.

>

> 15. For timing specific events, the strength of the lord of the sub-

period

> is examined in the birth chart, D-chart, and transit. The strength

of the

> sub-period lord in D-chart is of paramount importance.

>

> 16. When both the lords of the main period and sub-period are

functional

> malefics, they denote destruction and loss in contrast with the

functional

> benefics, which do no harm and promote their significations.

>

> 17. If a functional malefic planet is closely related with another

> functional malefic and is badly placed, it produces tension in its

own

> sub-periods as well as in the sub-periods of other functional

malefics in

> its own main period.

>

> 18. The transit influences are considered only in D-I.

>

> 19. The planetary aspects are considered in the D-charts. Even

though not

> being categorized as close, exact or wide they are treated as close

aspects.

>

> 20. The planets placed in the malefic houses of a D-chart become

also weak

> for that reason, but this weakness is milder than the weakness of

planets

> placed in the malefic houses of D-I. This weakness is considered

for the

> significations of the relevant D-chart only.

>

> 21. If a planet is a functional benefic in D-I but turns out to be a

> functional malefic for the D-Chart, the intensity of its

maleficness in the

> D-chart is less than when we consider a similar maleficness in D-I

and is

> only applicable for the concerned D-chart i.e. its malefic impact

would be

> limited to the respective D-Chart only and the influence would be

applicable

> only in a milder way. The influence of bad placements and

afflictions in

> divisional charts through aspects and conjunctions is 20% of such

bad

> placements and afflictions in the rasi chart.

>

> *CONTROVERSY*

>

> There has been a controversy whether the varga charts should be read

> independently or as a supplement to the main chart. Some opine that

the

> divisional charts could only supplement what was shown in the basic

chart

> and that the intensity of benefic and malefic results pertaining to

any

> particular D-chart depends upon the strength or weakness of the

planets in

> D-I. However, some others advocate that the divisional charts

should be read

> independently.

>

> The study of various charts together with their divisional charts

shows that

> divisional charts have to be read only as a supplement to the birth

charts.

> The rasi chart and the divisional charts are inter-related and have

to be

> read in conjunction with each other. The apparent strength acquired

by the

> planets by being in own mooltrikona sign or by being in exaltation

in the

> birth chart may produce ordinary or negative result if these occupy

the

> debilitated sign in divisional charts or are afflicted in the

divisional

> charts. As against this, the weakness of planets due to

debilitation,

> combustion, etc., in the zodiac at any given time cannot be made

good even

> if they occupy exalted amsa in any particular divisional chart.

This is as

> per the views of one of the main propounders of Vedic Astrology,

Maharishi

> Parashara. We can safely infer that the natural weakness of planets

cannot

> be made up even by joining good/benefic divisions i.e. by being

well placed

> and not debilitated in D-charts. Even though a different subject,

we can

> also say that the natural weakness of planets cannot be made up

even by

> obtaining maximum benefic points in Ashtakavarga. Ashtakvarga is

another way

> of trying the strength of the planets in classical astrology.

>

> As our stress is to make the study of astrology scientific, we

have to test

> each and every dictum provided to us by classical works in our

laboratory, I

> mean, sufficient number of charts are to be analysed for empirical

studies.

> The weakness of planets arising due to the sources of weakness

mentioned in

> chapter 2, until and unless strengthened, is permanent. If the weak

planet

> becomes the lord of the ascendant of the divisional chart, the

> significations of the division concerned suffer further.

>

> For timing the events, the sub-period of a strong planet or a

strengthened

> planet, which is auspiciously placed in the divisional chart, with

reference

> to the ascendant of the divisional chart, should be selected. The

weakness

> or affliction should be guarded by using astrological remedial

measures.

>

> In D-charts, the close conjunction/aspect of the D-chart functional

benefics

> with the ascendant, relevant significators and trines regarding the

> ascendant boost the significations of the divisional charts in their

> sub-periods. The D-chart functional malefics in such a state damage

the

> significations of the divisional charts in their sub-periods.

>

> Needless to emphasize the importance and necessity of studying the

> divisional charts as it helps us in accurately analysing the

horoscope to

> meet the requirements of complexities in modern life. For progress,

each and

> every step in life has to be planned ahead from the very beginning.

The

> questions astrologers have to face are specific in nature for the

specified

> time, which can only be answered after due consideration of the

divisional

> charts. Quite often we come across horoscopes where rasi charts

promise a

> good future in some particular sector, yet the results may be

totally

> different. I am citing also a few charts which show that the study

of rasi

> chart and divisional charts is interdependent. Sometimes, the

natives suffer

> because of weak combinations in the birth chart, itself, and

sometimes, they

> suffer due to planetary weaknesses and afflictions emerging in the

D-charts.

> However, as indicated earlier, the divisional charts have to be

read always

> as a supplement to the birth charts.

>

>

> *Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for the

outcome of

> any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts or more, even

though it

> is a FBP in D1.*

> **

> *Aloha,*

> **

> *Jorge

> *

> On 2/11/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear Thor and Group,

> >

> > It would be interesting to see if that person in your family has

Jupiter

> > as dhustana lords in their divisional charts.

> >

> > I am enjoying the new usage of the divisional planets as they are

still in

> > alignment with the SA, it's just nobody has taken the time to

research it

> > diligently enough until Jorge it would seem.

> >

> > Mahalo,

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Sally

> >

> > On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jorge,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your take on the chart. Perhaps the best insight can

come

> > > from natal charts of Scorpio rising persons in our lives. I

have a

> > > Scorpio ascendant person in my immediate family and the Venus

and

> > > Mars in that chart are not afflicting natally and the Mars is

weak by

> > > degree and the Venus is badly placed. The life of the person,

> > > however, is generally pleasant, even when the Venus and Mars are

> > > meeting up with sensitive points. Moreover, when L2 Jupiter and

L4

> > > Saturn are connected in transit a favourable time is enjoyed.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Waves of Love

> > Entering the Planet

> > It's inevitable. It's contagious~

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Amit,

 

Every area of life has its own D-chart, that has to be checked simultaneously with D1. The planets can assume different natures for different areas, as shown by the D-charts. If a planet if FM in many different areas (D-charts), I have noted that we have to look carefully for the outcome of that planet.

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 2/12/07, amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 wrote:

Dear Jorge,Thanks for all the insightful work of yours.I have a question regarding your inference as in below

" Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for theoutcome of any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts ormore, even though it is a FBP in D1. " I presume what you are indicating is that since 20% weightage is

given to a Planet in the D chart, in 5 D chart or more it is 100% ormore hence the outcome might change even though FB?Please opine.RegardsAmit

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> *Dear Sally,*> **> *You are right. I strongly advise everyone to study the Professor'sbook,

> HOW TO STUDY DIVISIONAL CHARTS. Here is the Chapter 3:*>>> *METHODOLOGY TO STUDY DIVISIONAL CHARTS*>>>> Although ancient astrological texts mention how to work out the

divisional> charts and importance of their study, nowhere is an integratedapproach for> study of the divisional charts available. Solitary principles(sutras),> indicating that if a particular planet is in a particular sign in a

> particular divisional chart then the results would be so and so,find place> in the text and commentaries of ancient astrological writers. Thesetexts> and commentaries are suffering from both omissions and

interpolations> because of the absence of recording facilities in ancient times.Therefore,> we have to be careful in adopting only the classical principleswhich have> stood the test of time. These classical principles have to be read

in> conjunction with one another and not in isolation.>> 1. First of all, the birth data should be correct for study of any> divisional chart. In D-charts we take into account the analysis of

position> changing with a difference of even one minute in the time of birth.>> 2. As there is every possibility of some amount of error inrecording the> time of birth even in cases where utmost care has been taken to

record the> correct time of birth, it is imperative that divisional analysis istaken up> only up to D-XII. For divisional analysis beyond D-XII, only thesign> position of the lord of the corresponding house containing a

mooltrikona> sign and the natural significator planet(s) should be considered inthe> concerned D-charts, and if they are afflicted or not by Rahu and/orKetu.> The ascendant as well as its lord in the divisional charts beyond D-

XII> could prove to be unreliable.>> 3. The longitudes of ascendant and planets should be correctlyworked out> along with divisional charts.>> 4. The study of the divisional charts should be taken up along with

the main> chart. The divisional charts are used for trying the strength of the> planets. In the divisional charts we study the strength of thefollowing:>> (i) the lord of the house containing a mooltrikona sign of a

particular> signification in D-I;> (ii) the significator of that particular aspect of life; and> (iii) the lord of the ascendant of the concerned divisional chartif it> contains a mooltrikona sign.

>> 5. A planet that is weak in D-I on account of debilitation or onany other> account, until and unless strengthened during the course of its sub-periods,> would hardly be of any help to the significations of its concerned

> divisional charts. In this connection, the readers may please referto> Chapter 4 on 'Analysing Debilitated Planets' for detailed study.>> 6. A natal planet that is weak due to combustion lacks power to

protect or> promote the house and significations ruled by it. In thisconnection, the> readers may please refer to Chapter 5 on 'Analysing CombustPlanets' for> detailed study.>

> 7. In D-I, whenever slow moving malefic planets in transit afflictby close> conjunction/aspect the natal planets or the most effective point ofany> house, they cause prolonged stress related to the houses and planets

> involved.>> 8. In D-I, whenever planets in transit form closeconjunctions/aspects> amongst themselves, the happenings occur depending upon theirfunctional> nature in connection with the houses with reference to a particular

> ascendant.>> 9. In D-I, whenever the slow moving transit planets form closeconjunction> with or become closely aspected by natal functional malefic planet(s), it> triggers significant undesirable incidents concerning the planets

involved.>>> 10. Occupation of the ascendant of divisional chart by the nodes orthe> eighth lord of the D-chart creates stress for the significations ofthe> D-chart. The good placement in D-chart of the lord of the relevant

house of> D-I and the significator helps in promoting the significations ofthe> D-chart. The bad placement in D-chart of the lord(s) of the relevant> house(s) of D-I and the significator of the particular aspect of

life causes> stress regarding the significations of the D-chart.>> 11. The strength of planets in rasi chart should be given dueconsideration.>> 12. The planets influencing the ascendant, angles and trines of D-

charts and> the significator by conjunction/aspect touch the significations ofthe> concerned divisional charts in their sub-periods.>> 13. Occupation of angles/trines by nodes in D-charts do not bless

the native> with good results in the relevant fields.>> 14. Any planet which is exalted in rasi chart and debilitated inthe D-chart> will give ordinary results.>> 15. For timing specific events, the strength of the lord of the sub-

period> is examined in the birth chart, D-chart, and transit. The strengthof the> sub-period lord in D-chart is of paramount importance.>> 16. When both the lords of the main period and sub-period are

functional> malefics, they denote destruction and loss in contrast with thefunctional> benefics, which do no harm and promote their significations.>> 17. If a functional malefic planet is closely related with another

> functional malefic and is badly placed, it produces tension in itsown> sub-periods as well as in the sub-periods of other functionalmalefics in> its own main period.>> 18. The transit influences are considered only in D-I.

>> 19. The planetary aspects are considered in the D-charts. Eventhough not> being categorized as close, exact or wide they are treated as closeaspects.>> 20. The planets placed in the malefic houses of a D-chart become

also weak> for that reason, but this weakness is milder than the weakness ofplanets> placed in the malefic houses of D-I. This weakness is consideredfor the> significations of the relevant D-chart only.

>> 21. If a planet is a functional benefic in D-I but turns out to be a> functional malefic for the D-Chart, the intensity of itsmaleficness in the> D-chart is less than when we consider a similar maleficness in D-I

and is> only applicable for the concerned D-chart i.e. its malefic impactwould be> limited to the respective D-Chart only and the influence would beapplicable> only in a milder way. The influence of bad placements and

afflictions in> divisional charts through aspects and conjunctions is 20% of suchbad> placements and afflictions in the rasi chart.>> *CONTROVERSY*>> There has been a controversy whether the varga charts should be read

> independently or as a supplement to the main chart. Some opine thatthe> divisional charts could only supplement what was shown in the basicchart> and that the intensity of benefic and malefic results pertaining to

any> particular D-chart depends upon the strength or weakness of theplanets in> D-I. However, some others advocate that the divisional chartsshould be read> independently.>> The study of various charts together with their divisional charts

shows that> divisional charts have to be read only as a supplement to the birthcharts.> The rasi chart and the divisional charts are inter-related and haveto be> read in conjunction with each other. The apparent strength acquired

by the> planets by being in own mooltrikona sign or by being in exaltationin the> birth chart may produce ordinary or negative result if these occupythe> debilitated sign in divisional charts or are afflicted in the

divisional> charts. As against this, the weakness of planets due todebilitation,> combustion, etc., in the zodiac at any given time cannot be madegood even> if they occupy exalted amsa in any particular divisional chart.

This is as> per the views of one of the main propounders of Vedic Astrology,Maharishi> Parashara. We can safely infer that the natural weakness of planetscannot> be made up even by joining good/benefic divisions i.e. by beingwell placed> and not debilitated in D-charts. Even though a different subject,we can> also say that the natural weakness of planets cannot be made upeven by> obtaining maximum benefic points in Ashtakavarga. Ashtakvarga is

another way> of trying the strength of the planets in classical astrology.>> As our stress is to make the study of astrology scientific, wehave to test> each and every dictum provided to us by classical works in our

laboratory, I> mean, sufficient number of charts are to be analysed for empiricalstudies.> The weakness of planets arising due to the sources of weaknessmentioned in> chapter 2, until and unless strengthened, is permanent. If the weak

planet> becomes the lord of the ascendant of the divisional chart, the> significations of the division concerned suffer further.>> For timing the events, the sub-period of a strong planet or a

strengthened> planet, which is auspiciously placed in the divisional chart, withreference> to the ascendant of the divisional chart, should be selected. Theweakness> or affliction should be guarded by using astrological remedial

measures.>> In D-charts, the close conjunction/aspect of the D-chart functionalbenefics> with the ascendant, relevant significators and trines regarding the> ascendant boost the significations of the divisional charts in their

> sub-periods. The D-chart functional malefics in such a state damagethe> significations of the divisional charts in their sub-periods.>> Needless to emphasize the importance and necessity of studying the

> divisional charts as it helps us in accurately analysing thehoroscope to> meet the requirements of complexities in modern life. For progress,each and> every step in life has to be planned ahead from the very beginning.

The> questions astrologers have to face are specific in nature for thespecified> time, which can only be answered after due consideration of thedivisional> charts. Quite often we come across horoscopes where rasi charts

promise a> good future in some particular sector, yet the results may betotally> different. I am citing also a few charts which show that the studyof rasi> chart and divisional charts is interdependent. Sometimes, the

natives suffer> because of weak combinations in the birth chart, itself, andsometimes, they> suffer due to planetary weaknesses and afflictions emerging in theD-charts.> However, as indicated earlier, the divisional charts have to be

read always> as a supplement to the birth charts.>>> *Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for theoutcome of> any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts or more, even

though it> is a FBP in D1.*> **> *Aloha,*> **> *Jorge> *> On 2/11/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:> >> > Hello dear Thor and Group,

> >> > It would be interesting to see if that person in your family hasJupiter> > as dhustana lords in their divisional charts.> >> > I am enjoying the new usage of the divisional planets as they are

still in> > alignment with the SA, it's just nobody has taken the time toresearch it> > diligently enough until Jorge it would seem.> >> > Mahalo,> > Thanks.

> >> > Sally> >> > On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:> > >> > > Dear Jorge,> > >> > > Thanks for your take on the chart. Perhaps the best insight can

come> > > from natal charts of Scorpio rising persons in our lives. Ihave a> > > Scorpio ascendant person in my immediate family and the Venusand> > > Mars in that chart are not afflicting natally and the Mars is

weak by> > > degree and the Venus is badly placed. The life of the person,> > > however, is generally pleasant, even when the Venus and Mars are> > > meeting up with sensitive points. Moreover, when L2 Jupiter and

L4> > > Saturn are connected in transit a favourable time is enjoyed.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Thor> > >> > >> > >

> >> > Waves of Love> > Entering the Planet> > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

I thoroughly appreciate the simplicity of the SA. I also notice

we give less and less attention to the divisionals. At least I

do. I'm not sure I would be willing to go the effort of using

these techniques, but they are there.

 

Aloha,

 

SallyOn 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Sally,The person has Jupiter as dusthana lord in D-8 and D-12. However, Idon´t think that matters. In SA, the focus is mostly on the lord ofH1, assuming it is an MT sign, in reading the divisional chart. The

house and sign placement of a planet in a divisional chart, as wellas aspects, may also offer supporting information for the overallreading of its influence as per the Rasi chart.I would only say that such an approach, to focus on far removed

elements, seems to to take the focus away from the salientinfluences. The issue boils down to what is important and notimportant in the analysis and what makes sense and what doesn´t. Topromote analytical detail as equally important as the salient

analytical elements is not helpful if it gets one reasoning forunreasonable things.If we just follow the basic principles of SA we are not at risk oflosing the perspective of what is important. We are thus more likely

to enjoy accurate chart interpretation, prediction and prescriptionof remedies. After all, that is what we are seeking, right?Best wishes,Thor

Waves of LoveEntering the PlanetIt's inevitable. It's contagious~

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

It only takes on only 20% weight in the divisional chart is what I

think this means. But 20% effect in a divisional should mean 20%

effect in the Rasi then too after the functionality of the lord in the

Rasi is considered first. Therefore it would mean 80% Rasi

functionality and then onlly 20% divisional functionality.

 

 

The

influence of bad placements and afflictions in divisional charts

through aspects and conjunctions is 20% of such bad placements and

afflictions in the rasi chart.

 

 

It's only functionally malefic in that specific area. Do you find that?

The planets can assume different natures for different areas, as shown

by the D-charts. If a planet is FM in many different areas [(5)] (D-charts),

I have noted that we have to look carefully for the outcome of that

planet.

 

Thank you.

 

Sally

 

 

I like this point. thank you for the reminder. It

just makes sense the FM would have some say as well. And not even

just logically, it came to me in a flash, clearly it made sense a FM of

a divisional has

 

In D-charts, the close conjunction/aspect of the D-chart functional

benefics with the ascendant, relevant significators and trines regarding the

ascendant boost the significations of the divisional charts in their

sub-periods.

 

 

Aloha,

 

Sally

 

On 2/12/07, amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 wrote:

Dear Jorge, Thanks for all the insightful work of yours. I have a question regarding your inference as in below " Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for theoutcome of any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts or

more, even though it is a FBP in D1. " I presume what you are indicating is that since 20% weightage isgiven to a Planet in the D chart, in 5 D chart or more it is 100% ormore hence the outcome might change even though FB?

Please opine.RegardsAmit

Sally Spencer, Jyotish KovidA Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-Ascension work, Vedic*, Western Astrologywww.Devi3.byregion.net

sally234 *Vedic Astrology, a co creative sacred science, which strengthens or propitiates planetary results.Waves of LoveEntering the PlanetIt's inevitable. It's contagious~

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

Thanks. The beauty of SA is in its simplicity. A list member has recently

stated similarly on the list, " ...learning SA. is very simple and

accurate for the simple minded people but it is equally complex for the

complicated ones. "

 

My understanding on these Div charts is that they serve as strength

modifiers/tools for study. Seemingly strong planets in the rashi that don't

produce results are found to be weak in the respective div chart. Weak

planets can get weaker and do not improve on strength no matter how

auspicious the combination in the div chart. Also needed is an accurate

chart to even begin this.

 

Since we are on the mundane list, I urge list members to first see if the

natal promise fits, lest the subject be an exercise in futility.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, February 12, 2007 12:40 AM

Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

 

 

Dear Sally,

 

The person has Jupiter as dusthana lord in D-8 and D-12. However, I

don´t think that matters. In SA, the focus is mostly on the lord of

H1, assuming it is an MT sign, in reading the divisional chart. The

house and sign placement of a planet in a divisional chart, as well

as aspects, may also offer supporting information for the overall

reading of its influence as per the Rasi chart.

 

I would only say that such an approach, to focus on far removed

elements, seems to to take the focus away from the salient

influences. The issue boils down to what is important and not

important in the analysis and what makes sense and what doesn´t. To

promote analytical detail as equally important as the salient

analytical elements is not helpful if it gets one reasoning for

unreasonable things.

 

If we just follow the basic principles of SA we are not at risk of

losing the perspective of what is important. We are thus more likely

to enjoy accurate chart interpretation, prediction and prescription

of remedies. After all, that is what we are seeking, right?

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

SAMVA , " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote:

>

> Hello dear Thor and Group,

>

> It would be interesting to see if that person in your family has

Jupiter as

> dhustana lords in their divisional charts.

>

> I am enjoying the new usage of the divisional planets as they are

still in

> alignment with the SA, it's just nobody has taken the time to

research it

> diligently enough until Jorge it would seem.

>

> Mahalo,

> Thanks.

>

> Sally

>

> On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jorge,

> >

> > Thanks for your take on the chart. Perhaps the best insight can

come

> > from natal charts of Scorpio rising persons in our lives. I have a

> > Scorpio ascendant person in my immediate family and the Venus and

> > Mars in that chart are not afflicting natally and the Mars is

weak by

> > degree and the Venus is badly placed. The life of the person,

> > however, is generally pleasant, even when the Venus and Mars are

> > meeting up with sensitive points. Moreover, when L2 Jupiter and L4

> > Saturn are connected in transit a favourable time is enjoyed.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> >

> >

>

> Waves of Love

> Entering the Planet

> It's inevitable. It's contagious~

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sally,

 

As you know, D-charts are being used in SA mainly to access the strenght of the planets due to the fact that many times we work with charts where the TOB was not duly rectified. It is safer then to use D-charts just to see if some significator is debilitated or not.

 

 

I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two and a half years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in the respective D-chart being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some negative events concerning those houses.

 

For example, let us look to some events in US rectified chart, and the role of badly placed, combust Jupiter, L2 in D1 but FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11, D12:

 

1)

First Barbary War,

On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, on May 10, 1801, the Pasha declared war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in Tripoli.

 

 

 

Dasha: Ra/Sa/Su/Sa/

Ve, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal Mercury, exactly aspecting natal Moon. It happens that Mercury is the dispositor of Saturn in rashi, and the Moon is the dispositor of Saturn in gochar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) War of 1812,

The Americans declared war on Britain on June 18, 1812, for a combination of reasons— outrage at the impressments (seizure) of thousands of American sailors, frustration at British restraints on neutral trade while Britain warred with France, and anger at British support for native attacks along the frontier

which conflicted with American expansion and settlement into the Old Northwest.

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ra/Ma/Ve/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operational and closely over natal Sun, L10, and transit Saturn, L4, was exactly aspected by natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Second Barbary War,

 

On March 3, 1815 the US Congress authorized deployment of naval power against Algiers.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ju/Sa/Sa/Ju/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over MEP11, the house of placement of natal Saturn, and exactly aspecting transit Saturn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4)

Spanish-American War,

On April 19, 1898, Congress passed joint resolutions proclaiming Cuba " free and independent " and disclaiming any intentions in Cuba, demanded Spanish withdrawal, and authorized the President to use as much military force as he thought necessary to help Cuban patriots gain freedom from Spain. In response, Spain broke off diplomatic relations with the United States. On April 25, Congress declared that a state of war between the United States and Spain had existed since

April 21, 1898 (later changed to April 20).

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Mo/Mo/Ke/Mo/Sa, and transit Jupiter was closely aspecting natal operational Moon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5) World War I,

After German submarines attacked several American merchant ships, sinking three, Wilson requested that Congress declare war on Germany, which it did on

April 6, 1917.

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ra/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operatonal and closely over MEP6 (MT house of Mars), aspecting MEP10, MEP12 and MEP2 (transit Rahu placement).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6)

World War I,

The U.S. declared war on Austria-Hungary on December 7, 1917.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ra/Ju/Sa/Mo/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over MEP7 (house of natal Mars, L6), aspecting MEP11 (house of natal Saturn, L4), MEP1 and MEP3 (house of natal Moon, L9).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7) World War II,

The U.S. declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and exactly aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8)

World War II,

The U.S. declared war on Germany & Italy on December 11, 1941.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9) The Korean War

 

was not a war authorized by the U.S. Congress. President Harry S. Truman cited authority under United Nations resolutions. Major US Military involvement began with Task Force Smith on July 5, 1950

..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Sa/Sa/Mo/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over MEP4, aspecting MEP8 (house of natal Sun), MEP10 (MT house of Sun) and MEP12. Transit Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, was exactly over natal Jupiter, and closely aspected by transit Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10)

On April 18, 1983, the U.S. embassy in West Beirut was bombed, killing 63 people. This blast was a clear sign of opposition to the MNF.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Me/Sa/Ve/Sa/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11)

Multinational Force in Lebanon,

On September 29, 1983 it was given initial authorization to send a peace keeping force.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Me/Sa/Mo/Ve/

Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

12)

The MNF was given a devastating blow on October 23, 1983, when truck bombs driven by suicide bombers hit the U.S. Marine and French Paratrooper barracks in Beirut

, killing 241 American and 58 French soldiers.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Me/Sa/Ma/Ju/Mo, and transit operational Jupiter was closely over MEP1

, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit combust Saturn was badly placed in H12, and aspected by natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13)

Invasion of Panama,

also known as Operation Just Cause.

The military incursion into Panama began on December 20, 1989, at 0100 local time. The operation involved 27,684 U.S. troops and over 300 aircraft —including the AC-130 Spectre gunship, OA-37B Dragonfly observation and attack aircraft, and the F-117A Nighthawk stealth aircraft and AH-64 Apache attack helicopter, the AH-64 and the F-117A both seeing their first combat deployment. These were deployed against the 16,000 members of the Panama Defense Force (PDF).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ke/Me/Me, and transit retrograde Jupiter was closely over natal Jupiter and MEP8, aspecting MEP12, MEP2, and MEP4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

14)

Acting on this authority, and out of fear the Iraqi army could launch an invasion of Saudi Arabia, President George H. W. Bush quickly announced that the U.S. would launch a " wholly defensive " mission to prevent Iraq from invading Saudi Arabia -

Operation Desert Shield

- and US troops moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990. On August 8, Iraq declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ju/Me/Ju, and transit operational Jupiter was exactly over natal operational Mercury, L11 (friends), closely aspecting natal Moon, L9.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15)

Persian Gulf War

,

also known as Operation Desert Storm.

On January 12, 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of military force to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the Senate and 250-183 in

the House. These were the closest margins in authorizing force by the Congress since the War of 1812.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ke/Me/Ve/Me/Ma, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3, and MEP5.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16)

September 11, 2001

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

17)

2001 war in Afghanistan

,

also known as Operation Enduring Freedom. Resolution on

September 18, 2001

..

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit operational Jupiter

was closely over natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

18)

Iraq War

started on March 20, 2003.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ve/Ju/Ve/Ve/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and exactly over MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3 and MEP5. Transit Mars and natal Jupiter were exactly opposed to each other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the list continues...so it seems that some consideration must be given to this issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aloha,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jorge

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 2/13/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:

 

 

Dear Jorge,It only takes on only 20% weight in the divisional chart is what I think this means. But 20% effect in a divisional should mean 20% effect in the Rasi then too after the functionality of the lord in the Rasi is considered first. Therefore it would mean 80% Rasi functionality and then onlly 20% divisional functionality.

 

 

The influence of bad placements and afflictions in divisional charts through aspects and conjunctions is 20% of such bad placements and afflictions in the rasi chart.

It's only functionally malefic in that specific area. Do you find that?

 

The planets can assume different natures for different areas, as shown by the D-charts. If a planet is FM in many different areas [(5)] (D-charts), I have noted that we have to look carefully for the outcome of that planet.

Thank you. Sally

I like this point. thank you for the reminder. It just makes sense the FM would have some say as well. And not even just logically, it came to me in a flash, clearly it made sense a FM of a divisional has

 

In D-charts, the close conjunction/aspect of the D-chart functionalbenefics with the ascendant, relevant significators and trines regarding the

ascendant boost the significations of the divisional charts in their sub-periods.Aloha, Sally

On 2/12/07, amit_patnaik6 <

amit_patnaik6 wrote: Dear Jorge,Thanks for all the insightful work of yours.I have a question regarding your inference as in below

" Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for theoutcome of any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts or more, even though it is a FBP in D1. " I presume what you are indicating is that since 20% weightage is

given to a Planet in the D chart, in 5 D chart or more it is 100% ormore hence the outcome might change even though FB? Please opine.RegardsAmit

Sally Spencer, Jyotish KovidA Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-Ascension work, Vedic*, Western Astrology

www.Devi3.byregion.netsally234 *Vedic Astrology, a co creative sacred science,

which strengthens or propitiatesplanetary results.Waves of LoveEntering the PlanetIt's inevitable. It's contagious~

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge and Sally,

 

My appologies for jumping into the conversation, just for academic

interest.

Jorge the example you mention below is of the USA chart which is

under observation, could you please if possible provide the same kind

of examples as below for some personal charts with confirmed DOB.

That would be kind.

 

Regards

Amit

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear Sally,

>

> As you know, D-charts are being used in SA mainly to access the

strenght of

> the planets due to the fact that many times we work with charts

where the

> TOB was not duly rectified. It is safer then to use D-charts just

to see if

> some significator is debilitated or not.

>

> I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two and

a half

> years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in the

respective D-chart

> being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some

negative

> events concerning those houses.

>

> For example, let us look to some events in US rectified chart, and

the role

> of badly placed, combust Jupiter, L2 in D1 but FMP in D4, D5, D6,

D11, D12:

>

> 1) *First Barbary War, On Jefferson's inauguration as president in

1801,

> Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the

new

> administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice,

> Jeffersonrefused the demand. Consequently, on May

> 10, 1801, the Pasha declared war on the United States, not through

any

> formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in

front of the

> U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their

ally in

> Tripoli. *

> *Dasha: Ra/Sa/Su/Sa/Ve, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal

Mercury,

> exactly aspecting natal Moon. It happens that Mercury is the

dispositor of

> Saturn in rashi, and the Moon is the dispositor of Saturn in

gochar.*

> **

> *2) War of 1812, The Americans declared war on Britain on June 18,

1812, for

> a combination of reasons†" outrage at the impressments (seizure)

of thousands

> of American sailors, frustration at British restraints on neutral

trade

> while Britain warred with France, and anger at British support for

native

> attacks along the frontier which conflicted with American expansion

and

> settlement into the Old Northwest.*

> *Dasha: Ra/Ma/Ve/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operational and

closely

> over natal Sun, L10, and transit Saturn, L4, was exactly aspected

by natal

> Jupiter. *

> **

> *3) Second Barbary War, On March 3, 1815 the US Congress authorized

> deployment of naval power against Algiers.*

> *Dasha: Ju/Sa/Sa/Ju/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and

> closely over MEP11, the house of placement of natal Saturn, and

exactly

> aspecting transit Saturn. *

> **

> *4) Spanish-American War, On April 19, 1898, Congress passed joint

> resolutions proclaiming Cuba " free and independent " and disclaiming

any

> intentions in Cuba, demanded Spanish withdrawal, and authorized the

> President to use as much military force as he thought necessary to

help

> Cuban patriots gain freedom from Spain. In response, Spain broke off

> diplomatic relations with the United States. On April 25, Congress

declared

> that a state of war between the United States and Spain had existed

since April

> 21, 1898 (later changed to April 20).*

> *Dasha: Mo/Mo/Ke/Mo/Sa, and transit Jupiter was closely aspecting

natal

> operational Moon.*

> **

> *5) World War I, After German submarines attacked several American

merchant

> ships, sinking three, Wilson requested that Congress declare war on

Germany,

> which it did on April 6, 1917.*

> *Dasha: Ra/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operatonal and

closely over

> MEP6 (MT house of Mars), aspecting MEP10, MEP12 and MEP2 (transit

Rahu

> placement).*

> **

> *6) World War I, The U.S. declared war on Austria-Hungary on

December 7,

> 1917.*

> *Dasha: Ra/Ju/Sa/Mo/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and

> closely over MEP7 (house of natal Mars, L6), aspecting MEP11 (house

of natal

> Saturn, L4), MEP1 and MEP3 (house of natal Moon, L9).*

> **

> *7) World War II, The U.S. declared war on Japan on December 8,

1941.*

> *Dasha: Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and

> exactly aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.*

> **

> *8) World War II, The U.S. declared war on Germany & Italy on

December 11,

> 1941.*

> * Dasha: Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and

> closely aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

> *

> ****

> *9) The Korean War was not a war authorized by the U.S. Congress.

President

> Harry S. Truman cited authority under United Nations resolutions.

Major US

> Military involvement began with Task Force Smith on July 5, 1950.*

> *Dasha: Sa/Sa/Mo/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and

> closely over MEP4, aspecting MEP8 (house of natal Sun), MEP10 (MT

house of

> Sun) and MEP12. Transit Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, was exactly

over

> natal Jupiter, and closely aspected by transit Jupiter. *

> **

> *10) On April 18, 1983, the U.S. embassy in West Beirut was bombed,

killing

> 63 people. This blast was a clear sign of opposition to the MNF.*

> *Dasha: Me/Sa/Ve/Sa/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly

over

> MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house

of

> Moon). Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter.*

> **

> *11) Multinational Force in Lebanon, On September 29, 1983 it was

given

> initial authorization to send a peace keeping force.*

> *Dasha: Me/Sa/Mo/Ve/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over MEP1,

aspecting

> MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon).

Transit Moon

> was over natal Jupiter.*

> * *

> *12) The MNF was given a devastating blow on October 23, 1983, when

truck

> bombs driven by suicide bombers hit the U.S. Marine and French

Paratrooper

> barracks in Beirut, killing 241 American and 58 French soldiers.*

> *Dasha: Me/Sa/Ma/Ju/Mo, and transit operational Jupiter was closely

over

> MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house

of

> Moon). Transit combust Saturn was badly placed in H12, and aspected

by natal

> Jupiter. *

> * *

> *13) Invasion of Panama, also known as Operation Just Cause.The

military

> incursion into Panama began on December 20, 1989, at 0100 local

time. The

> operation involved 27,684 U.S. troops and over 300 aircraft

†" including the

> AC-130 Spectre gunship, OA-37B Dragonfly observation and attack

aircraft,

> and the F-117A Nighthawk stealth aircraft and AH-64 Apache attack

> helicopter, the AH-64 and the F-117A both seeing their first combat

> deployment. These were deployed against the 16,000 members of the

Panama

> Defense Force (PDF).*

> *Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ke/Me/Me, and transit retrograde Jupiter was closely

over

> natal Jupiter and MEP8, aspecting MEP12, MEP2, and MEP4. *

> ****

> *14) Acting on this authority, and out of fear the Iraqi army could

launch

> an invasion of Saudi Arabia, President George H. W. Bush quickly

announced

> that the U.S. would launch a " wholly defensive " mission to prevent

Iraq from

> invading Saudi Arabia - Operation Desert Shield - and US troops

moved

> into Saudi

> Arabia on August 7, 1990. On August 8, Iraq declared parts of

Kuwait to be

> extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the

19th

> province of Iraq.*

> *Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ju/Me/Ju, and transit operational Jupiter was exactly

over

> natal operational Mercury, L11 (friends), closely aspecting natal

Moon, L9.

> *

> **

> *15) Persian Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm. On

January 12,

> 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of military

force to

> drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the Senate and

> 250-183 inthe House. These were the closest margins in authorizing

> force by the

> Congress since the War of 1812.*

> *Dasha: Ke/Me/Ve/Me/Ma, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly

over

> MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3, and MEP5. *

> **

> *16) September 11, 2001*

> *Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal

Sun,

> natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12.*

> **

> *17) 2001 war in Afghanistan, also known as Operation Enduring

Freedom.

> Resolution on September 18, 2001.*

> *Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit operational Jupiter was closely

over

> natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and

MEP12.*

> **

> *18) Iraq War started on March 20, 2003.*

> *Dasha: Ve/Ju/Ve/Ve/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and

> exactly over MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3 and MEP5. Transit Mars and

natal

> Jupiter were exactly opposed to each other.*

> **

> And the list continues...so it seems that some consideration must

be given

> to this issue.

>

> Aloha,

>

> Jorge

>

>

> On 2/13/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jorge,

> >

> > It only takes on only 20% weight in the divisional chart is what

I think

> > this means. But 20% effect in a divisional should mean 20%

effect in the

> > Rasi then too after the functionality of the lord in the Rasi is

considered

> > first. Therefore it would mean 80% Rasi functionality and then

onlly 20%

> > divisional functionality.

> >

> > The influence of bad placements and afflictions in divisional

charts

> > > through aspects and conjunctions is 20% of such bad placements

and

> > > afflictions in the rasi chart.

> > >

> >

> > It's only functionally malefic in that specific area. Do you

find that?

> >

> > The planets can assume different natures for different areas, as

shown by

> > the D-charts. If a planet is FM in many different areas [(5)] (D-

charts), I

> > have noted that we have to look carefully for the outcome of that

planet.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Sally

> >

> >

> >

> > I like this point. thank you for the reminder. It just makes

sense the

> > FM would have some say as well. And not even just logically, it

came to me

> > in a flash, clearly it made sense a FM of a divisional has

> >

> >

> > In D-charts, the close conjunction/aspect of the D-chart

functional

> > > benefics with the ascendant, relevant significators and trines

regarding

> > > the

> > > ascendant boost the significations of the divisional charts in

their

> > > sub-periods.

> > >

> >

> > Aloha,

> >

> > Sally

> >

> > On 2/12/07, amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Jorge,

> > >

> > > Thanks for all the insightful work of yours.

> > > I have a question regarding your inference as in below

> > > " Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for the

> > > outcome of any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts or

> > > more, even though it is a FBP in D1. "

> > > I presume what you are indicating is that since 20% weightage is

> > > given to a Planet in the D chart, in 5 D chart or more it is

100% or

> > > more hence the outcome might change even though FB?

> > >

> > > Please opine.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Amit

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid

> > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-

> > Ascension work, Vedic*, Western Astrology

> > www.Devi3.byregion.net <http://www.devi3.byregion.net/>

> > sally234

> >

> > *Vedic Astrology, a co creative sacred science,

> > which strengthens or propitiates

> > planetary results.

> >

> > Waves of Love

> > Entering the Planet

> > It's inevitable. It's contagious~

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Amit,

 

I will do that.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 2/13/07, amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 wrote:

Dear Jorge and Sally,My appologies for jumping into the conversation, just for academicinterest.

Jorge the example you mention below is of the USA chart which isunder observation, could you please if possible provide the same kindof examples as below for some personal charts with confirmed DOB.That would be kind.

RegardsAmitSAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear Sally,>> As you know, D-charts are being used in SA mainly to access the

strenght of> the planets due to the fact that many times we work with chartswhere the> TOB was not duly rectified. It is safer then to use D-charts justto see if> some significator is debilitated or not.

>> I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two anda half> years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in therespective D-chart> being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some

negative> events concerning those houses.>> For example, let us look to some events in US rectified chart, andthe role> of badly placed, combust Jupiter, L2 in D1 but FMP in D4, D5, D6,

D11, D12:>> 1) *First Barbary War, On Jefferson's inauguration as president in1801,> Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from thenew> administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice,

> Jeffersonrefused the demand. Consequently, on May> 10, 1801, the Pasha declared war on the United States, not throughany> formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff infront of the

> U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed theirally in> Tripoli. *> *Dasha: Ra/Sa/Su/Sa/Ve, and transit Jupiter was closely over natalMercury,> exactly aspecting natal Moon. It happens that Mercury is the

dispositor of> Saturn in rashi, and the Moon is the dispositor of Saturn ingochar.*> **> *2) War of 1812, The Americans declared war on Britain on June 18,1812, for> a combination of reasons†" outrage at the impressments (seizure)

of thousands> of American sailors, frustration at British restraints on neutraltrade> while Britain warred with France, and anger at British support fornative> attacks along the frontier which conflicted with American expansion

and> settlement into the Old Northwest.*> *Dasha: Ra/Ma/Ve/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operational andclosely> over natal Sun, L10, and transit Saturn, L4, was exactly aspectedby natal

> Jupiter. *> **> *3) Second Barbary War, On March 3, 1815 the US Congress authorized> deployment of naval power against Algiers.*> *Dasha: Ju/Sa/Sa/Ju/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and> closely over MEP11, the house of placement of natal Saturn, andexactly> aspecting transit Saturn. *> **> *4) Spanish-American War, On April 19, 1898, Congress passed joint

> resolutions proclaiming Cuba " free and independent " and disclaimingany> intentions in Cuba, demanded Spanish withdrawal, and authorized the> President to use as much military force as he thought necessary to

help> Cuban patriots gain freedom from Spain. In response, Spain broke off> diplomatic relations with the United States. On April 25, Congressdeclared> that a state of war between the United States and Spain had existed

since April> 21, 1898 (later changed to April 20).*> *Dasha: Mo/Mo/Ke/Mo/Sa, and transit Jupiter was closely aspectingnatal> operational Moon.*> **> *5) World War I, After German submarines attacked several American

merchant> ships, sinking three, Wilson requested that Congress declare war onGermany,> which it did on April 6, 1917.*> *Dasha: Ra/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operatonal andclosely over

> MEP6 (MT house of Mars), aspecting MEP10, MEP12 and MEP2 (transitRahu> placement).*> **> *6) World War I, The U.S. declared war on Austria-Hungary onDecember 7,> 1917.*> *Dasha: Ra/Ju/Sa/Mo/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and> closely over MEP7 (house of natal Mars, L6), aspecting MEP11 (houseof natal> Saturn, L4), MEP1 and MEP3 (house of natal Moon, L9).*> **> *7) World War II, The U.S. declared war on Japan on December 8,

1941.*> *Dasha: Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter wasoperational and> exactly aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.*> **> *8) World War II, The U.S. declared war on Germany & Italy on

December 11,> 1941.*> * Dasha: Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter wasoperational and> closely aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.> *> ****> *9) The Korean War was not a war authorized by the U.S. Congress.President> Harry S. Truman cited authority under United Nations resolutions.Major US> Military involvement began with Task Force Smith on July 5, 1950.*> *Dasha: Sa/Sa/Mo/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was

operational and> closely over MEP4, aspecting MEP8 (house of natal Sun), MEP10 (MThouse of> Sun) and MEP12. Transit Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, was exactlyover> natal Jupiter, and closely aspected by transit Jupiter. *

> **> *10) On April 18, 1983, the U.S. embassy in West Beirut was bombed,killing> 63 people. This blast was a clear sign of opposition to the MNF.*> *Dasha: Me/Sa/Ve/Sa/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly

over> MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT houseof> Moon). Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter.*> **> *11) Multinational Force in Lebanon, On September 29, 1983 it was

given> initial authorization to send a peace keeping force.*> *Dasha: Me/Sa/Mo/Ve/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over MEP1,aspecting> MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon).

Transit Moon> was over natal Jupiter.*> * *> *12) The MNF was given a devastating blow on October 23, 1983, whentruck> bombs driven by suicide bombers hit the U.S. Marine and French

Paratrooper> barracks in Beirut, killing 241 American and 58 French soldiers.*> *Dasha: Me/Sa/Ma/Ju/Mo, and transit operational Jupiter was closelyover> MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house

of> Moon). Transit combust Saturn was badly placed in H12, and aspectedby natal> Jupiter. *> * *> *13) Invasion of Panama, also known as Operation Just Cause.Themilitary> incursion into Panama began on December 20, 1989, at 0100 local

time. The> operation involved 27,684 U.S. troops and over 300 aircraft†" including the> AC-130 Spectre gunship, OA-37B Dragonfly observation and attackaircraft,> and the F-117A Nighthawk stealth aircraft and AH-64 Apache attack

> helicopter, the AH-64 and the F-117A both seeing their first combat> deployment. These were deployed against the 16,000 members of thePanama> Defense Force (PDF).*> *Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ke/Me/Me, and transit retrograde Jupiter was closely

over> natal Jupiter and MEP8, aspecting MEP12, MEP2, and MEP4. *> ****> *14) Acting on this authority, and out of fear the Iraqi army couldlaunch> an invasion of Saudi Arabia, President George H. W. Bush quickly

announced> that the U.S. would launch a " wholly defensive " mission to preventIraq from> invading Saudi Arabia - Operation Desert Shield - and US troopsmoved> into Saudi> Arabia on August 7, 1990. On August 8, Iraq declared parts of

Kuwait to be> extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the19th> province of Iraq.*> *Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ju/Me/Ju, and transit operational Jupiter was exactlyover> natal operational Mercury, L11 (friends), closely aspecting natal

Moon, L9.> *> **> *15) Persian Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm. OnJanuary 12,> 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of militaryforce to> drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the Senate and

> 250-183 inthe House. These were the closest margins in authorizing> force by the> Congress since the War of 1812.*> *Dasha: Ke/Me/Ve/Me/Ma, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactlyover

> MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3, and MEP5. *> **> *16) September 11, 2001*> *Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over natalSun,> natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12.*

> **> *17) 2001 war in Afghanistan, also known as Operation EnduringFreedom.> Resolution on September 18, 2001.*> *Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit operational Jupiter was closelyover

> natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, andMEP12.*> **> *18) Iraq War started on March 20, 2003.*> *Dasha: Ve/Ju/Ve/Ve/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter wasoperational and

> exactly over MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3 and MEP5. Transit Mars andnatal> Jupiter were exactly opposed to each other.*> **> And the list continues...so it seems that some consideration must

be given> to this issue.>> Aloha,>> Jorge>>> On 2/13/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:> >> > Dear Jorge,> >> > It only takes on only 20% weight in the divisional chart is what

I think> > this means. But 20% effect in a divisional should mean 20%effect in the> > Rasi then too after the functionality of the lord in the Rasi isconsidered> > first. Therefore it would mean 80% Rasi functionality and then

onlly 20%> > divisional functionality.> >> > The influence of bad placements and afflictions in divisionalcharts> > > through aspects and conjunctions is 20% of such bad placements

and> > > afflictions in the rasi chart.> > >> >> > It's only functionally malefic in that specific area. Do youfind that?> >> > The planets can assume different natures for different areas, as

shown by> > the D-charts. If a planet is FM in many different areas [(5)] (D-charts), I> > have noted that we have to look carefully for the outcome of thatplanet.> >> > Thank you.

> >> > Sally> >> >> >> > I like this point. thank you for the reminder. It just makessense the> > FM would have some say as well. And not even just logically, it

came to me> > in a flash, clearly it made sense a FM of a divisional has> >> >> > In D-charts, the close conjunction/aspect of the D-chartfunctional> > > benefics with the ascendant, relevant significators and trines

regarding> > > the> > > ascendant boost the significations of the divisional charts intheir> > > sub-periods.> > >> >> > Aloha,> >

> > Sally> >> > On 2/12/07, amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Jorge,> > >> > > Thanks for all the insightful work of yours.

> > > I have a question regarding your inference as in below> > > " Considering the 20% aspect, we have to look carefully for the> > > outcome of any planet that gets the role of FMP in 5 D-charts or

> > > more, even though it is a FBP in D1. " > > > I presume what you are indicating is that since 20% weightage is> > > given to a Planet in the D chart, in 5 D chart or more it is

100% or> > > more hence the outcome might change even though FB?> > >> > > Please opine.> > >> > > Regards> > > Amit> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid> > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-

> > Ascension work, Vedic*, Western Astrology> > www.Devi3.byregion.net <http://www.devi3.byregion.net/>

> > sally234 >> > *Vedic Astrology, a co creative sacred science,> > which strengthens or propitiates> > planetary results.> >> > Waves of Love> > Entering the Planet

> > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> >>

[Guest guest]

I have been looking to many charts and transits

in the last two and a half years as you know. Many times I have

seen the FMPs in the respective D-chart being closely placed over MEPs

or other significators for some negative events concerning those houses.

 

 

Thanks Jorge, for answering my question, you do see the FMs of D-charts

afflicting D1 houses. So, I guess I meant to ask, is it regarding

the D chart that the malefic event occurs? Or just simply

that the planet acts as a FM across the board?

 

If you answered that here, I apologize, I was not able to go over all your examples.

 

Sally

On 2/12/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:

 

Dear Sally,

 

As you know, D-charts are being used in SA

mainly to access the strenght of the planets due to the fact that many

times we work with charts where the TOB was not duly rectified. It

is safer then to use D-charts just to see if some significator is

debilitated or not.

 

 

I have been looking to many charts and

transits in the last two and a half years as you know. Many times I

have seen the FMPs in the respective D-chart being closely placed

over MEPs or other significators for some negative events

concerning those houses.

 

For example, let us look to some events in

US rectified chart, and the role of badly placed, combust Jupiter, L2

in D1 but FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11, D12:

 

1)

First Barbary War,

On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, Yussif Karamanli, the

Pasha of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, on May 10, 1801

,

the Pasha declared war on the United States, not through any formal

written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the

U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in

Tripoli.

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ra/Sa/Su/Sa/

Ve, and

transit Jupiter was closely over natal Mercury, exactly aspecting natal

Moon. It happens that Mercury is the dispositor of Saturn in rashi, and

the Moon is the dispositor of Saturn in gochar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) War of 1812,

The Americans declared war on Britain on June 18, 1812

,

for a combination of reasons— outrage at the impressments (seizure) of

thousands of American sailors, frustration at British restraints on

neutral trade while Britain warred with France, and anger at British

support for native attacks along the frontier

which conflicted with American expansion and settlement into the Old Northwest.

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ra/Ma/Ve/Ju/Me,

and transit Jupiter was operational and closely over natal Sun, L10,

and transit Saturn, L4, was exactly aspected by natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Second Barbary War,

 

On March 3, 1815 the US Congress authorized deployment of naval power against Algier

s.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ju/Sa/Sa/Ju/Sa,

and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over

MEP11, the house of placement of natal Saturn, and exactly

aspecting transit Saturn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4)

Spanish-American War, On

April 19, 1898, Congress passed joint resolutions proclaiming Cuba

" free and independent " and disclaiming any intentions in Cuba, demanded

Spanish withdrawal, and authorized the President to use as much

military force as he thought necessary to help Cuban patriots gain

freedom from Spain. In response, Spain broke off diplomatic relations

with the United States. On April 25, Congress declared that a state of

war between the United States and Spain had existed since

April 21, 1898 (later changed to April 20).

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Mo/Mo/Ke/Mo/Sa, and transit Jupiter was closely aspecting natal operational Moon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5) World War I,

After German submarines attacked several American merchant ships, sinking three, Wilson requested that Congress declare war on Germany, which it did on

April 6, 1917.

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ra/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me,

and transit Jupiter was operatonal and closely over MEP6 (MT house of

Mars), aspecting MEP10, MEP12 and MEP2 (transit Rahu placement).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6)

World War I,

The U.S. declared war on Austria-Hungary on December 7, 1917

..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ra/Ju/Sa/Mo/Sa,

and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over MEP7

(house of natal Mars, L6), aspecting MEP11 (house of natal Saturn, L4),

MEP1 and MEP3 (house of natal Moon, L9).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7) World War II,

The U.S. declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941

..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and exactly aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8)

World War II,

The U.S. declared war on Germany & Italy on December 11, 1941

..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9) The Korean War

 

was

not a war authorized by the U.S. Congress. President Harry S. Truman

cited authority under United Nations resolutions. Major US Military

involvement began with Task Force Smith on July 5, 1950

..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Sa/Sa/Mo/Ju/Mo,

and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over MEP4,

aspecting MEP8 (house of natal Sun), MEP10 (MT house of Sun)

and MEP12. Transit Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, was exactly over

natal Jupiter, and closely aspected by transit Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10)

On April 18, 1983, the U.S. embassy in West Beirut was bombed, killing 63 people. This blast was a clear sign of opposition to the MNF.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Me/Sa/Ve/Sa/Ra, and

transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7

(natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit Moon was

over natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11)

Multinational Force in Lebanon,

On September 29, 1983 it was given initial authorization to send a peace keeping force.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Me/Sa/Mo/Ve/

Me, and

transit Jupiter was closely over MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal

house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit Moon was over natal

Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

12)

The MNF was given a devastating blow on October 23, 1983

, when truck bombs driven by suicide bombers hit the U.S. Marine and French Paratrooper barracks in Beirut

, killing 241 American and 58 French soldiers.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Me/Sa/Ma/Ju/Mo, and transit operational Jupiter was closely over MEP1

, aspecting

MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit

combust Saturn was badly placed in H12, and aspected by natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13)

Invasion of Panama,

also known as Operation Just Cause.

The military incursion into Panama began on December 20, 1989, at 0100 local time.

 

The operation involved 27,684 U.S. troops and over 300 aircraft

—including the AC-130 Spectre gunship, OA-37B Dragonfly observation and

attack aircraft, and the F-117A Nighthawk stealth aircraft and AH-64

Apache attack helicopter, the AH-64 and the F-117A both seeing their

first combat deployment. These were deployed against the 16,000 members

of the Panama Defense Force (PDF).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ke/Me/Me, and transit retrograde Jupiter was closely over natal Jupiter and MEP8, aspecting MEP12, MEP2, and MEP4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

14) Acting

on this authority, and out of fear the Iraqi army could launch an

invasion of Saudi Arabia, President George H. W. Bush quickly announced

that the U.S. would launch a " wholly defensive " mission to prevent Iraq

from invading Saudi Arabia -

Operation Desert Shield

- and US troops moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990

.. On August 8, Iraq declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ju/Me/Ju, and transit operational Jupiter was exactly over natal operational Mercury, L11 (friends), closely aspecting natal Moon, L9.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15)

Persian Gulf War

,

also known as Operation Desert Storm.

On January 12, 1991

the United States Congress authorized the use of military force to

drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the Senate and

250-183 in the House. These were the closest margins in authorizing

force by the Congress since the War of 1812.

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ke/Me/Ve/Me/Ma, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3, and MEP5.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16)

September 11, 2001

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

17)

2001 war in Afghanistan

,

also known as Operation Enduring Freedom. Resolution on

September 18, 2001

..

 

 

 

 

 

Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit operational Jupiter

was closely over natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12.

 

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Dear Sally,

 

The examples given were just regarding US rectifed chart, where Jupiter is FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 & D12. As the events under analysis were mainly related with H6, H4, and H12, the role of Jupiter as FMP was played in almost all important dates strongly connected with war.

 

 

In the next example, this lady lost her father on May 16, 1990, and her mother on September 7, 2000.

 

 

Lady lost parents;Apr 18, 1959 11:34 PM -01:00 BSTLahiri Ayanamsha: 23:17 Current Period: RA/RA/ME

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord================================================Asc 15:00 Sco Anuradha SaSun 04:51 Ari +00:58:37 WK Aswini KeMoon 06:46 Leo +13:40:43 WK Magha Ke

Mars 11:31 Gem +00:34:06 FM Ardra RaMerc 09:17 Pis +00:32:32 WK U.Bhadra SaJuptR 07:15 Sco -00:05:21 ST Anuradha SaVen 11:30 Tau +01:10:46 FM Rohini MoSat R 13:46 Sag -00:00:12 ST P.Shadya VeRahu 19:43 Vir +00:01:06 FM Hasta MoKetu 19:43 Pis +00:01:06 FM Revati Me

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 982 beatsDay: Saturday Sunrise: 6:49 AMTithi: Shukla EkadashiRashi Chart******************************************************* ** 9 * * 7 ** *10* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAR13:46* * * * * * * JUR07:15 * * * * * 8 AS 15:00 * 6 RA 19:43* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *11 * 5 MO 06:46 * ** * * ** *12* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *ME 09:17 * * * * * *KE 19:43 * 2 VE 11:30 * 4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SU 04:51 * * MA 11:31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 1 * * 3 ** *******************************************************

Dwadasamsha******************************************************* ** 3 * * 1 ** *4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ME * RA * * * * * AS * * * * * 2 SU * 12 * * * * SAR * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *5 * 11 * ** * * ** *6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *VE * 8 * 10 JUR * * * * * * * * MO * * * * * * MA * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * ** 7 * * 9 ** *******************************************************

The D-chart related with parents and losses is D-12, where Jupiter is the MMP. Looking to the dasha and gochar of both dates, we can see a close contact of Jupiter to the MEPs and the significators.

 

On May 16, 1990, dasha: MO/RA/RA/MA/SA, transit Jupiter was over MEP8 (house of natal Mars, losses to father), aspecting MEP4 (MT house of Saturn), and natal retrograde Saturn.

 

 

On September, 7, 2000, dasha: MA/JU/VE/SU/SA, transit Jupiter was over MEP7, influencing natal/transit Venus and MEP1, MEP3 (losses to mother) and MEP11, and natal retrograde Jupiter was exactly aspecting transit Saturn, L4 (mother).

 

As the lagna is very similar in degree to the rectified lagna of US chart, Jupiter is also FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 & D12.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 2/14/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:

 

 

I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two and a half years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in the respective D-chart being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some negative events concerning those houses.

 

Thanks Jorge, for answering my question, you do see the FMs of D-charts afflicting D1 houses. So, I guess I meant to ask, is it regarding the D chart that the malefic event occurs? Or just simply that the planet acts as a FM across the board?

If you answered that here, I apologize, I was not able to go over all your examples.Sally

 

On 2/12/07, Jorge Angelino <

jorge.angelino wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Sally,

 

As you know, D-charts are being used in SA mainly to access the strenght of the planets due to the fact that many times we work with charts where the TOB was not duly rectified. It is safer then to use D-charts just to see if some significator is debilitated or not.

 

I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two and a half years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in the respective D-chart being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some negative events concerning those houses.

 

For example, let us look to some events in US rectified chart, and the role of badly placed, combust Jupiter, L2 in D1 but FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11, D12:

 

1) First Barbary War, On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, on May 10, 1801 , the Pasha declared war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in Tripoli.

 

Dasha:

Ra/Sa/Su/Sa/ Ve, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal Mercury, exactly aspecting natal Moon. It happens that Mercury is the dispositor of Saturn in rashi, and the Moon is the dispositor of Saturn in gochar.

 

 

2)

War of 1812, The Americans declared war on Britain on June 18, 1812 , for a combination of reasons— outrage at the impressments (seizure) of thousands of American sailors, frustration at British restraints on neutral trade while Britain warred with France, and anger at British support for native attacks along the frontier which conflicted with American expansion and settlement into the Old Northwest.

 

Dasha: Ra/Ma/Ve/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operational and closely over natal Sun, L10, and transit Saturn, L4, was exactly aspected by natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

3) Second Barbary War, On March 3, 1815

the US Congress authorized deployment of naval power against Algier s.

 

Dasha: Ju/Sa/Sa/Ju/Sa

, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over MEP11, the house of placement of natal Saturn, and exactly aspecting transit Saturn.

 

 

 

 

4) Spanish-American War, On April 19, 1898, Congress passed joint resolutions proclaiming Cuba " free and independent " and disclaiming any intentions in Cuba, demanded Spanish withdrawal, and authorized the President to use as much military force as he thought necessary to help Cuban patriots gain freedom from Spain. In response, Spain broke off diplomatic relations with the United States. On April 25, Congress declared that a state of war between the United States and Spain had existed since April 21, 1898 (later changed to April 20).

 

Dasha: Mo/Mo/Ke/Mo/

Sa, and transit Jupiter was closely aspecting natal operational Moon.

 

 

 

5) World War I, After German submarines attacked several American merchant ships, sinking three, Wilson requested that Congress declare war on Germany, which it did on April 6, 1917.

 

Dasha: Ra/Ra/Ma

/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operatonal and closely over MEP6 (MT house of Mars), aspecting MEP10, MEP12 and MEP2 (transit Rahu placement).

 

 

 

 

6) World War I,

The U.S. declared war on Austria-Hungary on December 7, 1917 .

 

Dasha: Ra/

Ju/Sa/Mo/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over MEP7 (house of natal Mars, L6), aspecting MEP11 (house of natal Saturn, L4), MEP1 and MEP3 (house of natal Moon, L9).

 

 

 

 

7) World War II

, The U.S. declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941 .

 

 

Dasha:

Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and exactly aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

 

 

 

 

8)

World War II, The U.S. declared war on Germany & Italy on December 11, 1941 .

 

 

 

 

Dasha:

Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9) The Korean War was not a war authorized by the U.S. Congress. President Harry S. Truman cited authority under United Nations resolutions. Major US Military involvement began with Task Force Smith on July 5, 1950 .

 

 

Dasha: Sa/Sa/Mo/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational and closely over MEP4, aspecting MEP8 (house of natal Sun), MEP10 (MT house of Sun) and MEP12. Transit Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, was exactly over natal Jupiter, and closely aspected by transit Jupiter.

 

 

 

 

 

10) On April 18, 1983, the U.S. embassy in West Beirut was bombed, killing 63 people. This blast was a clear sign of opposition to the MNF.

 

 

Dasha: Me/Sa/Ve/

Sa/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter.

 

 

 

11) Multinational Force in Lebanon,

On September 29, 1983 it was given initial authorization to send a peace keeping force.

 

 

Dasha:

Me/Sa/Mo/Ve/ Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter.

 

 

12) The MNF was given a devastating blow on

October 23, 1983 , when truck bombs driven by suicide bombers hit the U.S. Marine and French Paratrooper barracks in Beirut , killing 241 American and 58 French soldiers.

 

 

Dasha: Me

/Sa/Ma/Ju/Mo, and transit operational Jupiter was closely over MEP1

, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon). Transit combust Saturn was badly placed in H12, and aspected by natal Jupiter.

 

 

13) Invasion of Panama

, also known as Operation Just Cause. The military incursion into Panama began on

December 20, 1989, at 0100 local time. The operation involved 27,684 U.S. troops and over 300 aircraft —including the AC-130 Spectre gunship, OA-37B Dragonfly observation and attack aircraft, and the F-117A Nighthawk stealth aircraft and AH-64 Apache attack helicopter, the AH-64 and the F-117A both seeing their first combat deployment. These were deployed against the 16,000 members of the Panama Defense Force (PDF).

 

Dasha: Ke/

Sa/Ke/Me/Me, and transit retrograde Jupiter was closely over natal Jupiter and MEP8, aspecting MEP12, MEP2, and MEP4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

14) Acting on this authority, and out of fear the Iraqi army could launch an invasion of Saudi Arabia, President George H. W. Bush quickly announced that the U.S. would launch a " wholly defensive " mission to prevent Iraq from invading Saudi Arabia - Operation Desert Shield

- and US troops moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990 . On August 8, Iraq declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.

 

 

Dasha: Ke/Sa/

Ju/Me/Ju, and transit operational Jupiter was exactly over natal operational Mercury, L11 (friends), closely aspecting natal Moon, L9.

 

 

 

15) Persian Gulf War

, also known as Operation Desert Storm. On

January 12, 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of military force to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the Senate and 250-183 in the House. These were the closest margins in authorizing force by the Congress since the War of 1812.

 

 

Dasha: Ke

/Me/Ve/Me/Ma, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3, and MEP5.

 

 

 

16) September 11, 2001

 

 

Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma

/Ra/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12.

 

 

 

 

17) 2001 war in Afghanistan

, also known as Operation Enduring Freedom. Resolution on

September 18, 2001 .

 

Dasha: Ve/

Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit operational Jupiter

was closely over natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12.

....[Message clipped] -- Sally Spencer, Jyotish KovidA Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-

Ascension workVedic* and Western Astrologywww.Devi3.byregion.net

sally234EnlightenedLiving/

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jorge,

 

What's the location?

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

<SAMVA >

Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:23 AM

Re: Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

 

 

Dear Sally,

 

The examples given were just regarding US rectifed chart, where Jupiter is

FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 & D12. As the events under analysis were mainly

related with H6, H4, and H12, the role of Jupiter as FMP was played in

almost all important dates strongly connected with war.

 

In the next example, this lady lost her father on May 16, 1990, and her

mother on September 7, 2000.

 

 

Lady lost parents;

Apr 18, 1959 11:34 PM -01:00 BST

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:17 Current Period: RA/RA/ME

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 15:00 Sco Anuradha Sa

Sun 04:51 Ari +00:58:37 WK Aswini Ke

Moon 06:46 Leo +13:40:43 WK Magha Ke

Mars 11:31 Gem +00:34:06 FM Ardra Ra

Merc 09:17 Pis +00:32:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa

JuptR 07:15 Sco -00:05:21 ST Anuradha Sa

Ven 11:30 Tau +01:10:46 FM Rohini Mo

Sat R 13:46 Sag -00:00:12 ST P.Shadya Ve

Rahu 19:43 Vir +00:01:06 FM Hasta Mo

Ketu 19:43 Pis +00:01:06 FM Revati Me

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 982 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:49 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 9 * * 7 **

*10* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* SAR13:46* * * *

* * * JUR07:15 * * *

* * 8 AS 15:00 * 6 RA 19:43*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*11 * 5 MO 06:46 *

** * * **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*ME 09:17 * * * * *

*KE 19:43 * 2 VE 11:30 * 4 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * SU 04:51 * * MA 11:31 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 1 * * 3 **

*******************************************************

 

Dwadasamsha

*******************************************************

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* ME * RA * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 2 SU * 12 *

* * * SAR * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*5 * 11 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE * 8 * 10 JUR *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * MA * * * *

* * KE * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

*******************************************************

The D-chart related with parents and losses is D-12, where Jupiter is the

MMP. Looking to the dasha and gochar of both dates, we can see a close

contact of Jupiter to the MEPs and the significators.

 

On May 16, 1990, dasha: MO/RA/RA/MA/SA, transit Jupiter was over MEP8 (house

of natal Mars, losses to father), aspecting MEP4 (MT house of Saturn), and

natal retrograde Saturn.

 

On September, 7, 2000, dasha: MA/JU/VE/SU/SA, transit Jupiter was over MEP7,

influencing natal/transit Venus and MEP1, MEP3 (losses to mother) and MEP11,

and natal retrograde Jupiter was exactly aspecting transit Saturn, L4

(mother).

 

As the lagna is very similar in degree to the rectified lagna of US chart,

Jupiter is also FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 & D12.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

 

On 2/14/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:

>

> I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two and a

> > half years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in the

> > respective

> > D-chart being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some

> > negative events concerning those houses.

>

>

>

> Thanks Jorge, for answering my question, you do see the FMs of D-charts

> afflicting D1 houses. So, I guess I meant to ask, is it regarding the D

> chart that the malefic event occurs? Or just simply that the planet acts

> as a FM across the board?

>

> If you answered that here, I apologize, I was not able to go over all your

> examples.

>

> Sally

>

>

>

> On 2/12/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:

>

> > Dear Sally,

> >

> > As you know, D-charts are being used in SA mainly to access the strenght

> > of the planets due to the fact that many times we work with charts where

> > the

> > TOB was not duly rectified. It is safer then to use D-charts just to see

> > if

> > some significator is debilitated or not.

> >

> > I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two and a

> > half years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in the

> > respective

> > D-chart being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some

> > negative events concerning those houses.

> >

> > For example, let us look to some events in US rectified chart, and the

> > role of badly placed, combust Jupiter, L2 in D1 but FMP in D4, D5, D6,

> > D11,

> > D12:

> >

> > 1) *First Barbary War, On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801,

> > Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new

> > administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson

> > refused the demand. Consequently, on May 10, 1801 , the Pasha declared

> > war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but

> > by

> > cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate. Morocco,

> > Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in Tripoli. *

> > *Dasha: Ra/Sa/Su/Sa/ Ve, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal

> > Mercury, exactly aspecting natal Moon. It happens that Mercury is the

> > dispositor of Saturn in rashi, and the Moon is the dispositor of Saturn

> > in

> > gochar. *

> > **

> > *2) War of 1812, The Americans declared war on Britain on June 18, 1812,

> > for a combination of reasons— outrage at the impressments (seizure) of

> > thousands of American sailors, frustration at British restraints on

> > neutral

> > trade while Britain warred with France, and anger at British support for

> > native attacks along the frontier which conflicted with American

> > expansion and settlement into the Old Northwest.*

> > *Dasha: Ra/Ma/Ve/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operational and closely

> > over natal Sun, L10, and transit Saturn, L4, was exactly aspected by

> > natal

> > Jupiter. *

> > **

> > *3) Second Barbary War, On March 3, 1815 the US Congress authorized

> > deployment of naval power against Algier s.*

> > *Dasha: Ju/Sa/Sa/Ju/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and closely over MEP11, the house of placement of natal Saturn, and

> > exactly

> > aspecting transit Saturn. *

> > **

> > *4) Spanish-American War, On April 19, 1898, Congress passed joint

> > resolutions proclaiming Cuba " free and independent " and disclaiming any

> > intentions in Cuba, demanded Spanish withdrawal, and authorized the

> > President to use as much military force as he thought necessary to help

> > Cuban patriots gain freedom from Spain. In response, Spain broke off

> > diplomatic relations with the United States. On April 25, Congress

> > declared

> > that a state of war between the United States and Spain had existed

> > since April

> > 21, 1898 (later changed to April 20).*

> > *Dasha: Mo/Mo/Ke/Mo/Sa, and transit Jupiter was closely aspecting natal

> > operational Moon. *

> > **

> > *5) World War I, After German submarines attacked several American

> > merchant ships, sinking three, Wilson requested that Congress declare

> > war on

> > Germany, which it did on April 6, 1917.*

> > *Dasha: Ra/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operatonal and closely

> > over MEP6 (MT house of Mars), aspecting MEP10, MEP12 and MEP2 (transit

> > Rahu

> > placement). *

> > **

> > *6) World War I, The U.S. declared war on Austria-Hungary on December 7,

> > 1917 . *

> > *Dasha: Ra/Ju/Sa/Mo/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and closely over MEP7 (house of natal Mars, L6), aspecting MEP11 (house

> > of

> > natal Saturn, L4), MEP1 and MEP3 (house of natal Moon, L9). *

> > **

> > *7) World War II, The U.S. declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941 . *

> > *Dasha: Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and exactly aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4. *

> > **

> > *8) World War II, The U.S. declared war on Germany & Italy on December

> > 11, 1941 . *

> > * Dasha: Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and closely aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

> > *

> > ****

> > *9) The Korean War was not a war authorized by the U.S. Congress.

> > President Harry S. Truman cited authority under United Nations

> > resolutions.

> > Major US Military involvement began with Task Force Smith on July 5,

> > 1950 .*

> > *Dasha: Sa/Sa/Mo/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and closely over MEP4, aspecting MEP8 (house of natal Sun), MEP10 (MT

> > house

> > of Sun) and MEP12. Transit Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, was exactly

> > over

> > natal Jupiter, and closely aspected by transit Jupiter. *

> > **

> > *10) On April 18, 1983, the U.S. embassy in West Beirut was bombed,

> > killing 63 people. This blast was a clear sign of opposition to the MNF.

> > *

> > *Dasha: Me/Sa/Ve/Sa/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over

> > MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of

> > Moon). Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter. *

> > **

> > *11) Multinational Force in Lebanon, On September 29, 1983 it was given

> > initial authorization to send a peace keeping force. *

> > *Dasha: Me/Sa/Mo/Ve/ Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over MEP1,

> > aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon).

> > Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter. *

> > * *

> > *12) The MNF was given a devastating blow on October 23, 1983 , when

> > truck bombs driven by suicide bombers hit the U.S. Marine and French

> > Paratrooper barracks in Beirut , killing 241 American and 58 French

> > soldiers.*

> > *Dasha: Me/Sa/Ma/Ju/Mo, and transit operational Jupiter was closely over

> > MEP1 , aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of

> > Moon). Transit combust Saturn was badly placed in H12, and aspected by

> > natal

> > Jupiter. *

> > * *

> > *13) Invasion of Panama, also known as Operation Just Cause. The

> > military incursion into Panama began on December 20, 1989, at 0100 local

> > time. The operation involved 27,684 U.S. troops and over 300 aircraft

> > —including the AC-130 Spectre gunship, OA-37B Dragonfly observation and

> > attack aircraft, and the F-117A Nighthawk stealth aircraft and AH-64

> > Apache

> > attack helicopter, the AH-64 and the F-117A both seeing their first

> > combat

> > deployment. These were deployed against the 16,000 members of the Panama

> > Defense Force (PDF). *

> > *Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ke/Me/Me, and transit retrograde Jupiter was closely over

> > natal Jupiter and MEP8, aspecting MEP12, MEP2, and MEP4. *

> > ****

> > *14) Acting on this authority, and out of fear the Iraqi army could

> > launch an invasion of Saudi Arabia, President George H. W. Bush quickly

> > announced that the U.S. would launch a " wholly defensive " mission to

> > prevent Iraq from invading Saudi Arabia - Operation Desert Shield - and

> > US troops moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990 . On August 8, Iraq

> > declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra

> > and

> > the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.*

> > *Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ju/Me/Ju, and transit operational Jupiter was exactly over

> > natal operational Mercury, L11 (friends), closely aspecting natal Moon,

> > L9.

> > *

> > **

> > *15) Persian Gulf War , also known as Operation Desert Storm. On January

> > 12, 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of military force

> > to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the Senate and

> > 250-183

> > in the House. These were the closest margins in authorizing force by the

> > Congress since the War of 1812.*

> > *Dasha: Ke/Me/Ve/Me/Ma, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over

> > MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3, and MEP5. *

> > **

> > *16) September 11, 2001*

> > *Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal Sun,

> > natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12. *

> > **

> > *17) 2001 war in Afghanistan , also known as Operation Enduring Freedom.

> > Resolution on September 18, 2001 .*

> > *Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit operational Jupiter was closely over

> > natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12. *

> > ...

> >

> > [Message clipped]

>

>

>

>

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Best regards,

 

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-

" Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

<SAMVA >

Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:23 AM

Re: Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled

 

 

Dear Sally,

 

The examples given were just regarding US rectifed chart, where Jupiter is

FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 & D12. As the events under analysis were mainly

related with H6, H4, and H12, the role of Jupiter as FMP was played in

almost all important dates strongly connected with war.

 

In the next example, this lady lost her father on May 16, 1990, and her

mother on September 7, 2000.

 

 

Lady lost parents;

Apr 18, 1959 11:34 PM -01:00 BST

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:17 Current Period: RA/RA/ME

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 15:00 Sco Anuradha Sa

Sun 04:51 Ari +00:58:37 WK Aswini Ke

Moon 06:46 Leo +13:40:43 WK Magha Ke

Mars 11:31 Gem +00:34:06 FM Ardra Ra

Merc 09:17 Pis +00:32:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa

JuptR 07:15 Sco -00:05:21 ST Anuradha Sa

Ven 11:30 Tau +01:10:46 FM Rohini Mo

Sat R 13:46 Sag -00:00:12 ST P.Shadya Ve

Rahu 19:43 Vir +00:01:06 FM Hasta Mo

Ketu 19:43 Pis +00:01:06 FM Revati Me

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 982 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:49 AM

Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 9 * * 7 **

*10* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* SAR13:46* * * *

* * * JUR07:15 * * *

* * 8 AS 15:00 * 6 RA 19:43*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*11 * 5 MO 06:46 *

** * * **

*12* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*ME 09:17 * * * * *

*KE 19:43 * 2 VE 11:30 * 4 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * SU 04:51 * * MA 11:31 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 1 * * 3 **

*******************************************************

 

Dwadasamsha

*******************************************************

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* ME * RA * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 2 SU * 12 *

* * * SAR * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*5 * 11 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*VE * 8 * 10 JUR *

* * * * * *

* MO * * * *

* * MA * * * *

* * KE * * * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

*******************************************************

The D-chart related with parents and losses is D-12, where Jupiter is the

MMP. Looking to the dasha and gochar of both dates, we can see a close

contact of Jupiter to the MEPs and the significators.

 

On May 16, 1990, dasha: MO/RA/RA/MA/SA, transit Jupiter was over MEP8 (house

of natal Mars, losses to father), aspecting MEP4 (MT house of Saturn), and

natal retrograde Saturn.

 

On September, 7, 2000, dasha: MA/JU/VE/SU/SA, transit Jupiter was over MEP7,

influencing natal/transit Venus and MEP1, MEP3 (losses to mother) and MEP11,

and natal retrograde Jupiter was exactly aspecting transit Saturn, L4

(mother).

 

As the lagna is very similar in degree to the rectified lagna of US chart,

Jupiter is also FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 & D12.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

 

On 2/14/07, Sally Spencer <sally234 wrote:

>

> I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two and a

> > half years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in the

> > respective

> > D-chart being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some

> > negative events concerning those houses.

>

>

>

> Thanks Jorge, for answering my question, you do see the FMs of D-charts

> afflicting D1 houses. So, I guess I meant to ask, is it regarding the D

> chart that the malefic event occurs? Or just simply that the planet acts

> as a FM across the board?

>

> If you answered that here, I apologize, I was not able to go over all your

> examples.

>

> Sally

>

>

>

> On 2/12/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:

>

> > Dear Sally,

> >

> > As you know, D-charts are being used in SA mainly to access the strenght

> > of the planets due to the fact that many times we work with charts where

> > the

> > TOB was not duly rectified. It is safer then to use D-charts just to see

> > if

> > some significator is debilitated or not.

> >

> > I have been looking to many charts and transits in the last two and a

> > half years as you know. Many times I have seen the FMPs in the

> > respective

> > D-chart being closely placed over MEPs or other significators for some

> > negative events concerning those houses.

> >

> > For example, let us look to some events in US rectified chart, and the

> > role of badly placed, combust Jupiter, L2 in D1 but FMP in D4, D5, D6,

> > D11,

> > D12:

> >

> > 1) *First Barbary War, On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801,

> > Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new

> > administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson

> > refused the demand. Consequently, on May 10, 1801 , the Pasha declared

> > war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but

> > by

> > cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate. Morocco,

> > Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in Tripoli. *

> > *Dasha: Ra/Sa/Su/Sa/ Ve, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal

> > Mercury, exactly aspecting natal Moon. It happens that Mercury is the

> > dispositor of Saturn in rashi, and the Moon is the dispositor of Saturn

> > in

> > gochar. *

> > **

> > *2) War of 1812, The Americans declared war on Britain on June 18, 1812,

> > for a combination of reasons— outrage at the impressments (seizure) of

> > thousands of American sailors, frustration at British restraints on

> > neutral

> > trade while Britain warred with France, and anger at British support for

> > native attacks along the frontier which conflicted with American

> > expansion and settlement into the Old Northwest.*

> > *Dasha: Ra/Ma/Ve/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operational and closely

> > over natal Sun, L10, and transit Saturn, L4, was exactly aspected by

> > natal

> > Jupiter. *

> > **

> > *3) Second Barbary War, On March 3, 1815 the US Congress authorized

> > deployment of naval power against Algier s.*

> > *Dasha: Ju/Sa/Sa/Ju/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and closely over MEP11, the house of placement of natal Saturn, and

> > exactly

> > aspecting transit Saturn. *

> > **

> > *4) Spanish-American War, On April 19, 1898, Congress passed joint

> > resolutions proclaiming Cuba " free and independent " and disclaiming any

> > intentions in Cuba, demanded Spanish withdrawal, and authorized the

> > President to use as much military force as he thought necessary to help

> > Cuban patriots gain freedom from Spain. In response, Spain broke off

> > diplomatic relations with the United States. On April 25, Congress

> > declared

> > that a state of war between the United States and Spain had existed

> > since April

> > 21, 1898 (later changed to April 20).*

> > *Dasha: Mo/Mo/Ke/Mo/Sa, and transit Jupiter was closely aspecting natal

> > operational Moon. *

> > **

> > *5) World War I, After German submarines attacked several American

> > merchant ships, sinking three, Wilson requested that Congress declare

> > war on

> > Germany, which it did on April 6, 1917.*

> > *Dasha: Ra/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit Jupiter was operatonal and closely

> > over MEP6 (MT house of Mars), aspecting MEP10, MEP12 and MEP2 (transit

> > Rahu

> > placement). *

> > **

> > *6) World War I, The U.S. declared war on Austria-Hungary on December 7,

> > 1917 . *

> > *Dasha: Ra/Ju/Sa/Mo/Sa, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and closely over MEP7 (house of natal Mars, L6), aspecting MEP11 (house

> > of

> > natal Saturn, L4), MEP1 and MEP3 (house of natal Moon, L9). *

> > **

> > *7) World War II, The U.S. declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941 . *

> > *Dasha: Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and exactly aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4. *

> > **

> > *8) World War II, The U.S. declared war on Germany & Italy on December

> > 11, 1941 . *

> > * Dasha: Ju/Ve/Ju/Ju/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and closely aspecting transit Sun, L10, and natal Saturn, L4.

> > *

> > ****

> > *9) The Korean War was not a war authorized by the U.S. Congress.

> > President Harry S. Truman cited authority under United Nations

> > resolutions.

> > Major US Military involvement began with Task Force Smith on July 5,

> > 1950 .*

> > *Dasha: Sa/Sa/Mo/Ju/Mo, and transit retrograde Jupiter was operational

> > and closely over MEP4, aspecting MEP8 (house of natal Sun), MEP10 (MT

> > house

> > of Sun) and MEP12. Transit Mercury, dispositor of Saturn, was exactly

> > over

> > natal Jupiter, and closely aspected by transit Jupiter. *

> > **

> > *10) On April 18, 1983, the U.S. embassy in West Beirut was bombed,

> > killing 63 people. This blast was a clear sign of opposition to the MNF.

> > *

> > *Dasha: Me/Sa/Ve/Sa/Ra, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over

> > MEP1, aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of

> > Moon). Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter. *

> > **

> > *11) Multinational Force in Lebanon, On September 29, 1983 it was given

> > initial authorization to send a peace keeping force. *

> > *Dasha: Me/Sa/Mo/Ve/ Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over MEP1,

> > aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of Moon).

> > Transit Moon was over natal Jupiter. *

> > * *

> > *12) The MNF was given a devastating blow on October 23, 1983 , when

> > truck bombs driven by suicide bombers hit the U.S. Marine and French

> > Paratrooper barracks in Beirut , killing 241 American and 58 French

> > soldiers.*

> > *Dasha: Me/Sa/Ma/Ju/Mo, and transit operational Jupiter was closely over

> > MEP1 , aspecting MEP5, MEP7 (natal house of Mars) and MEP9 (MT house of

> > Moon). Transit combust Saturn was badly placed in H12, and aspected by

> > natal

> > Jupiter. *

> > * *

> > *13) Invasion of Panama, also known as Operation Just Cause. The

> > military incursion into Panama began on December 20, 1989, at 0100 local

> > time. The operation involved 27,684 U.S. troops and over 300 aircraft

> > —including the AC-130 Spectre gunship, OA-37B Dragonfly observation and

> > attack aircraft, and the F-117A Nighthawk stealth aircraft and AH-64

> > Apache

> > attack helicopter, the AH-64 and the F-117A both seeing their first

> > combat

> > deployment. These were deployed against the 16,000 members of the Panama

> > Defense Force (PDF). *

> > *Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ke/Me/Me, and transit retrograde Jupiter was closely over

> > natal Jupiter and MEP8, aspecting MEP12, MEP2, and MEP4. *

> > ****

> > *14) Acting on this authority, and out of fear the Iraqi army could

> > launch an invasion of Saudi Arabia, President George H. W. Bush quickly

> > announced that the U.S. would launch a " wholly defensive " mission to

> > prevent Iraq from invading Saudi Arabia - Operation Desert Shield - and

> > US troops moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990 . On August 8, Iraq

> > declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra

> > and

> > the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.*

> > *Dasha: Ke/Sa/Ju/Me/Ju, and transit operational Jupiter was exactly over

> > natal operational Mercury, L11 (friends), closely aspecting natal Moon,

> > L9.

> > *

> > **

> > *15) Persian Gulf War , also known as Operation Desert Storm. On January

> > 12, 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of military force

> > to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the Senate and

> > 250-183

> > in the House. These were the closest margins in authorizing force by the

> > Congress since the War of 1812.*

> > *Dasha: Ke/Me/Ve/Me/Ma, and transit retrograde Jupiter was exactly over

> > MEP9, aspecting MEP1, MEP3, and MEP5. *

> > **

> > *16) September 11, 2001*

> > *Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ra/Me, and transit Jupiter was closely over natal Sun,

> > natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12. *

> > **

> > *17) 2001 war in Afghanistan , also known as Operation Enduring Freedom.

> > Resolution on September 18, 2001 .*

> > *Dasha: Ve/Ra/Ma/Ju/Me, and transit operational Jupiter was closely over

> > natal Sun, natal Jupiter, and MEP8, aspecting MEP4, MEP2, and MEP12. *

> > ...

> >

> > [Message clipped]

>

>

>

>

> --

>

> Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid

> A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-

> Ascension work

> Vedic* and Western Astrology

> www.Devi3.byregion.net <http://www.devi3.byregion.net/>

> sally234

> EnlightenedLiving/

>

>

> *Vedic Astrology, a co creative sacred science,

> which strengthens or propitiates

> planetary results.

>

> Waves of Love

> Entering the Planet

> It's inevitable. It's contagious~

>