Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Perhaps the good Professor, if time and inclination permits, can step in and state what the likely upcoming trends are from the Sc chart and settle this so that there is no confusion and unnessary discussion. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino <SAMVA > Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:03 PM Re: Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled > My dear Thor, > > Thank you for your email. However, I would not be so sure regarding > growing > peace and communal happiness in the USA in the coming weeks and months. > One > of the reasons has to do with the fact of the MMP, Venus, being a fast > moving planet and the other FMP, Mars, being also a semi-fast planet, so > the > probability of transit contacts of FMPs over natal/transit positions is > higher. The other reason it is exactly due to the permanent aspect of > transit Jupiter over transit Saturn, as Saturn is L4 in D1, and Jupiter is > not only a L2 exactly placed over MEP8 in D1, but also L8 in D4, L8 in D5, > L12 in D6, L8 in D11 & L8 in D2. Last but not least is the fact of the > stationary affliction of Rahu over weak natal Sun, and natal/transit > Saturn > being in longitudes close to the stationary nodes. Also, till July 16, > transit Saturn, L4, would be disposed by the Moon, putting the destiny of > the country too much dependent on the fluctuations of emotions. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: >> >> Dear Jorge, >> >> Thank you for detailed information. >> Mars >> For the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that based >> on the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict that >> there will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in >> coming weeks and months, as: >> >> 1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more importantly >> the Saturn sub-period >> >> 2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationary >> exact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio >> in H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key influence >> >> 3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal L4 >> Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio in H1 >> will be a key influence. >> >> 4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from MEPs in >> the chart. >> >> 5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have moved >> away from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleeting >> manner. >> >> 6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun at >> 20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart. >> >> Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty for >> government and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass into >> aspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy contacts >> between Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be the >> dominating influences. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Thor >> >> SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear List Members, >> > >> > Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2, >> 1776, about >> > the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of US >> foreign >> > affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have >> already >> > seen the following events: >> > >> > 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on Fri >> > Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm >> > 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very >> > damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692, >> > *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm >> > 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on Sat >> > Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force encouraging >> nuclear >> > ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708, >> *Putin's speech: >> > Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can >> still see >> > the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during >> security >> > conference in Germany in CNN News today, in >> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html >> > >> > It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > Jorge >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Hello dear Vyas, Even predicting trends and verification of the trends would not be able to settle the issue. First one has to rely on the natal chart which is more representative of the country chart. Between the two charts, to me as indicated earlier, the Cancer chart appeared to be comparatively a better representative chart. So, long term confidence can be developed by experience which would take time. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Monday, February 12, 2007 1:24 AM USA trends in the Sc chart - > Perhaps the good Professor, if time and inclination permits, can step in > and > state what the likely upcoming trends are from the Sc chart and settle > this > so that there is no confusion and unnessary discussion. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > <SAMVA > > Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:03 PM > Re: Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled > > >> My dear Thor, >> >> Thank you for your email. However, I would not be so sure regarding >> growing >> peace and communal happiness in the USA in the coming weeks and months. >> One >> of the reasons has to do with the fact of the MMP, Venus, being a fast >> moving planet and the other FMP, Mars, being also a semi-fast planet, so >> the >> probability of transit contacts of FMPs over natal/transit positions is >> higher. The other reason it is exactly due to the permanent aspect of >> transit Jupiter over transit Saturn, as Saturn is L4 in D1, and Jupiter >> is >> not only a L2 exactly placed over MEP8 in D1, but also L8 in D4, L8 in >> D5, >> L12 in D6, L8 in D11 & L8 in D2. Last but not least is the fact of the >> stationary affliction of Rahu over weak natal Sun, and natal/transit >> Saturn >> being in longitudes close to the stationary nodes. Also, till July 16, >> transit Saturn, L4, would be disposed by the Moon, putting the destiny of >> the country too much dependent on the fluctuations of emotions. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jorge >> >> >> On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: >>> >>> Dear Jorge, >>> >>> Thank you for detailed information. >>> Mars >>> For the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that based >>> on the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict that >>> there will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in >>> coming weeks and months, as: >>> >>> 1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more importantly >>> the Saturn sub-period >>> >>> 2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationary >>> exact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio >>> in H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key influence >>> >>> 3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal L4 >>> Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio in H1 >>> will be a key influence. >>> >>> 4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from MEPs in >>> the chart. >>> >>> 5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have moved >>> away from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleeting >>> manner. >>> >>> 6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun at >>> 20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart. >>> >>> Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty for >>> government and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass into >>> aspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy contacts >>> between Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be the >>> dominating influences. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Thor >>> >>> SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear List Members, >>> > >>> > Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2, >>> 1776, about >>> > the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of US >>> foreign >>> > affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have >>> already >>> > seen the following events: >>> > >>> > 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on Fri >>> > Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm >>> > 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very >>> > damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692, >>> > *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm >>> > 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on Sat >>> > Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force encouraging >>> nuclear >>> > ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708, >>> *Putin's speech: >>> > Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can >>> still see >>> > the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during >>> security >>> > conference in Germany in CNN News today, in >>> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html >>> > >>> > It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled. >>> > >>> > Best wishes, >>> > >>> > Jorge >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Thanks Professor. My thoughts on the natal promise are inline with yours. I echo Thor's thoughts - the trends in the next few months could be identified by your principles. However you've made it clear here, that we must start at the very beginning, the natal promise, before going this far. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha <SAMVA > Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:15 PM Re: USA trends in the Sc chart - > > Hello dear Vyas, > > Even predicting trends and verification of the trends would not be able to > settle the issue. First one has to rely on the natal chart which is more > representative of the country chart. Between the two charts, to me as > indicated earlier, the Cancer chart appeared to be comparatively a better > representative chart. So, long term confidence can be developed by > experience which would take time. > > Best wishes, > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > <SAMVA > > Monday, February 12, 2007 1:24 AM > USA trends in the Sc chart - > > >> Perhaps the good Professor, if time and inclination permits, can step in >> and >> state what the likely upcoming trends are from the Sc chart and settle >> this >> so that there is no confusion and unnessary discussion. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Vyas Munidas >> >> >> - >> " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino >> <SAMVA > >> Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:03 PM >> Re: Re: US rectified chart, Prediction Fulfilled >> >> >>> My dear Thor, >>> >>> Thank you for your email. However, I would not be so sure regarding >>> growing >>> peace and communal happiness in the USA in the coming weeks and months. >>> One >>> of the reasons has to do with the fact of the MMP, Venus, being a fast >>> moving planet and the other FMP, Mars, being also a semi-fast planet, so >>> the >>> probability of transit contacts of FMPs over natal/transit positions is >>> higher. The other reason it is exactly due to the permanent aspect of >>> transit Jupiter over transit Saturn, as Saturn is L4 in D1, and Jupiter >>> is >>> not only a L2 exactly placed over MEP8 in D1, but also L8 in D4, L8 in >>> D5, >>> L12 in D6, L8 in D11 & L8 in D2. Last but not least is the fact of the >>> stationary affliction of Rahu over weak natal Sun, and natal/transit >>> Saturn >>> being in longitudes close to the stationary nodes. Also, till July 16, >>> transit Saturn, L4, would be disposed by the Moon, putting the destiny >>> of >>> the country too much dependent on the fluctuations of emotions. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> >>> On 2/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Jorge, >>>> >>>> Thank you for detailed information. >>>> Mars >>>> For the benefit of list members, is it fair to say that based >>>> on the 16° Scorpio rising chart, we should be able to predict that >>>> there will be growing peace and communal happiness in the USA in >>>> coming weeks and months, as: >>>> >>>> 1. the chart is running the Venus major period but more importantly >>>> the Saturn sub-period >>>> >>>> 2. The soon to be applying (end of the week) and then stationary >>>> exact (March 9 - May 14) aspect of transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio >>>> in H1 to transit L4 Saturn at 24° Cancer in H9 will be a key influence >>>> >>>> 3. The already applying and soon to be stationary aspect of natal L4 >>>> Saturn at 24° Virgo in H11 to transit L2 Jupiter at 24° Scorpio in H1 >>>> will be a key influence. >>>> >>>> 4. The nodal station at 22° Aquarius and Leo occurs away from MEPs in >>>> the chart. >>>> >>>> 5. Mars and Venus, which do not afflict natally, will soon have moved >>>> away from nodal aspect and are not afflicting except in a fleeting >>>> manner. >>>> >>>> 6. Nodal station is in a two degree wide aspect to natal L10 Sun at >>>> 20° Gemini in H8. The Sun and H10 are unafflicted in the chart. >>>> >>>> Moreover, there would likely be expected to modest difficulty for >>>> government and minor problems as Venus and Mars briefly pass into >>>> aspect of natal planets. However, the effects of the happy contacts >>>> between Saturn, the sub-period lord, and Jupiter should be the >>>> dominating influences. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Thor >>>> >>>> SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Dear List Members, >>>> > >>>> > Since my prediction based on the US rectified chart of July 2, >>>> 1776, about >>>> > the *possibility of US air accidents* & *serious worsening of US >>>> foreign >>>> > affairs, *posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:40 pm in msg # 12685, we have >>>> already >>>> > seen the following events: >>>> > >>>> > 1) msg # 12699, *US air strike kills 8 Iraqi troops* posted on Fri >>>> > Feb 9, 2007 3:42 pm >>>> > 2) msg # 12691, *Levin: Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very >>>> > damning'*posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:13 pm, and msg # 12692, >>>> > *Pentagon 'twisted Iraq findings'* posted on Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:59 pm >>>> > 3) msg # 12702, *Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US* posted on Sat >>>> > Feb 10, 2007 12:50 pm; msg # 12705, *Putin: U.S. force encouraging >>>> nuclear >>>> > ambitions* posted on Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 pm; msg # 12708, >>>> *Putin's speech: >>>> > Back to cold war?* posted on Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 am; and we can >>>> still see >>>> > the great impact of the recent speech of Vladimir Putin during >>>> security >>>> > conference in Germany in CNN News today, in >>>> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/10/putin.us.ap/index.html >>>> > >>>> > It seems the prediction was clearly fulfilled. >>>> > >>>> > Best wishes, >>>> > >>>> > Jorge >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 in fact the discussion is quite handy from a learning perspective lets keep going ciao "siha" <sihaSAMVA Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:15:57 PMRe: USA trends in the Sc chart - Hello dear Vyas,Even predicting trends and verification of the trends would not be able to settle the issue. First one has to rely on the natal chart which is more representative of the country chart. Between the two charts, to me as indicated earlier, the Cancer chart appeared to be comparatively a better representative chart. So, long term confidence can be developed by experience which would take time.Best wishes,- "Vyas Munidas" <muni><SAMVA >Monday, February 12, 2007 1:24 AM USA trends in the Sc chart - > Perhaps the good Professor, if time and inclination permits, can step in > and> state what the likely upcoming trends are from the Sc chart and settle > this> so that there is no confusion and unnessary discussion.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debatein the Answers Food Drink Q&A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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