Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Hello SG, SA has taken a particular view on Divl charts and let it remain so. If you want to explore further you and others so inclined are welcome do so off list. Best wishes, - " SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN " <sadasivan_g <SAMVA > Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:25 PM Re: Re:FMs of Divl charts | Dear Professor, | | No one is deviating and will deviate from SA . SA | has cleared most of the enigmas of astrology. | The discussions are only to explore further | findings especially in the interpretation of | CONTROVERSIAL DIVISIONAL CHARTS . If you are not | liking it, the same will be dropped . In your | book itself you have clearly mentioned that | there is a CONTROVERSY in interpretation of | Divisional Charts. | | SIR, Many astrologers are interpreting Divisional | charts in many ways. Hence the debate . | | Thanks | SG | --- siha wrote: | | > | > Hello dear Mr. George, SG, and list members, | > | > The subject being discussed in not as per SA and | > just creating confusion. It | > would be better if this and other non-SA concepts, | > if necessary, are | > discussed off list. As is evident from the name of | > the group it is for | > discussing Systems' Approach and if you want to | > discuss non SA concepts | > better open a new group or change the name of the | > list (group). I am sorry I | > have to say so. Or if you want to continue it here | > and like this, then I may | > leave the group. | > | > Best wishes, | > | > | > | > - | > " SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN " | > <sadasivan_g | > <SAMVA > | > Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:44 PM | > Re: Re: US rectified chart, | > Prediction Fulfilled | > | > | > | Dear Jorge, | > | | > | >From the example , I can understand that | > if | > | | > | 1) For a Leo Lagna , Jup in 7th house and if | > in | > | D-9 , Cancer is the Lagna Jup becomes FM | > .In | > | other words Jupiter is a FM as far as | > Marriage | > | matters are concerned. If such a Jupiter | > | transits the 7th house or the 7th lord | > Saturn | > | natally , we can expect friction in married | > life | > | ? AM I correct? | > | | > | 2) For Virgo Lagna , Jup is FB. But in Saptamsa | > Jup | > | is MMF . If such a Jup transits 5th lord or | > 5th | > | house then also 5th house sign suffers. | > | | > | Kindly revert. | > | | > | Sadasivan | > | | > | --- Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino | > wrote: | > | | > | > Dear Sally, | > | > | > | > The examples given were just regarding US | > rectifed | > | > chart, where Jupiter is | > | > FMP in D4, D5, D6, D11 & D12. As the events | > under | > | > analysis were mainly | > | > related with H6, H4, and H12, the role of | > Jupiter as | > | > FMP was played in | > | > almost all important dates strongly connected | > with | > | > war. | > | > | > | > In the next example, this lady lost her father | > on | > | > May 16, 1990, and her | > | > mother on September 7, 2000. | > | > | > | > | > | > Lady lost parents; | > | > Apr 18, 1959 11:34 PM -01:00 BST | > | > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:17 Current Period: RA/RA/ME | > | > | > | > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord | > | > ================================================ | > | > Asc 15:00 Sco Anuradha Sa | > | > Sun 04:51 Ari +00:58:37 WK Aswini Ke | > | > Moon 06:46 Leo +13:40:43 WK Magha Ke | > | > Mars 11:31 Gem +00:34:06 FM Ardra Ra | > | > Merc 09:17 Pis +00:32:32 WK U.Bhadra Sa | > | > JuptR 07:15 Sco -00:05:21 ST Anuradha Sa | > | > Ven 11:30 Tau +01:10:46 FM Rohini Mo | > | > Sat R 13:46 Sag -00:00:12 ST P.Shadya Ve | > | > Rahu 19:43 Vir +00:01:06 FM Hasta Mo | > | > Ketu 19:43 Pis +00:01:06 FM Revati Me | > | > | > | > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 982 | > | > beats | > | > Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:49 AM | > | > Tithi: Shukla Ekadashi | > | > Rashi Chart | > | > | > | | > | ******************************************************* | > | > ** 9 * * 7 | > | > ** | > | > *10* * * | > * | > | > * | > | > * * * * | > * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * SAR13:46* * * | > | > * | > | > * * * JUR07:15 * * | > | > * | > | > * * 8 AS 15:00 * 6 RA | > | > 19:43* | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * * * * | > * | > | > * | > | > * * * * | > * | > | > * | > | > ** * * | > | > ** | > | > *11 * 5 MO 06:46 | > | > * | > | > ** * * | > | > ** | > | > *12* * * | > * | > | > * | > | > * * * * | > * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > *ME 09:17 * * * * | > | > * | > | > *KE 19:43 * 2 VE 11:30 * 4 | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * * SU 04:51 * * MA 11:31 * | > | > * | > | > * * * * | > * | > | > * | > | > * * * * | > * | > | > * | > | > ** 1 * * 3 | > | > ** | > | > | > | | > | ******************************************************* | > | > | > | > Dwadasamsha | > | > | > | | > | ******************************************************* | > | > ** 3 * * 1 | > | > ** | > | > *4 * * * | > * | > | > * | > | > * * * * | > * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * ME * RA * | > | > * | > | > * * * AS * * | > | > * | > | > * * 2 SU * 12 | > | > * | > | > * * * SAR * * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * * * * * | > | > * | > | > * * * * | > * | > | === message truncated === | | | | | ______________________________\ ____ | Never miss an email again! | Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. | http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ | | | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 My dear Thor, Just now I opened my mail when to my surprise I happen to see a plethora of emails on the topic unncessarily strtching like a Chewing gum. Kindly recall when Jorge had analysed the Bomb blast at Mumbai I had written to him that FMs, FBs etc cannot be analysed like Natal charts . Prof Chaudry replied to me saying that SATVA and SAmva ARE two diff entities and SAMVA members are allowed to follow Non SA rules to some extent. Prof's anouncement is not the point here. The point is 1) Why make a fuss if Jorge's analysis is right ? I also changed my views after seeing Jorge's analysis over a period of time. Sally also endorses Jorge's view .Are they not SA astrologers ? Astrology is not a static science. Every edition of SA book is coming out with a new concept . 2) Is one ( I mean any one ) so dogmatic about one's findings that new findings cannot take place at all ? 3) Listen to Jorge . We need not accept it if it is of no use . Is there any problem in accepting the same if he is right ? 4) Astrology is an evolving science. Many famous astrologer's students have come out with ideas and written books . The list is plenty . That is not the intention here . 5) I have great respect for you and Jorge . yOU ARE POWERFUL BRAND AMBASSADORS. Jorge has devoted his life to astrology. eVEN BEFORE LISTENING TO HIM, if we jump the gun and conclude if he is wrong then I don't have any answer. I personally feel that a mountain is made out of a mole hill . I PERSONALLY FEEL BAD FOR WHATEVER HAPPENED . Let us forget the past and move on . Sadasivan --- cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > My dear Jorge, > > I am just surprised as can be at your off-hand > reaction to our dear > . > > I founded this list in November 2000 and based on > the key idea that > we would apply SA in the mundane sphere. This was > the main idea for > the list. Hence it was named the Systems' Approach > to Mundane Vedic > Astrology - or SAMVA for short. I operated this list > until December > 2004, when I for professional reasons needed to > lighten my load. > > Please recall that when I asked you to accept to > take over as > owner/moderator of this list in December 2004, I did > so in the > sincere understanding and belief that you would > maintain this key > focus of the list. > > To my disappointment you have increasingly begun to > introduce non-SA > elements into the discussion. The work on the SAMVA > USA chart had > nothing to do with that gradual change in your > approach, it began > much earlier. The work on the SAMVA USA chart > however brought out the > analytical underpinnings you use more clearly - and > they are not SA! > has shown you enormous latitude > with these ideas. > However, recently the things just seem to be coming > to a head. You > have become insistent on your own ideas and > interpretations over > those of , even when he has > offered you his > guidance. For those of us who follow SA it is not > tenable that an SA > list is operated in this way. He is the teacher of > SA that we have > gathered here to learn from. We can learn from each > other in applying > SA, but not when we go off into other directions. > That just creates > confusion. > > If it is your intention to continue in non-SA > direction, as your 200% > and 300% statements indicate, you should do the > honorable thing and > start your own list. I am sure many will want to > participate with you > if you decide to do that. At the same time, you > should then restore > ownership of SAMVA list to me and I will continue > with it as before > for the continuing benefit of SA astrologers. > > Let me just close by saying that I am saddened by > the present > situation as I have really liked our interaction on > and off the list. > However, as the situation has come to a head with > regard to the > purpose of this list, I just hope we can resolve > this situation in a > good way for everybodies benefit. > > With my sincere best wishes > for your continued success > and that of SAMVA, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " > <jorge.angelino > wrote: > > > > My dear Professor, > > > > as you know, all this discussion started with the > evaluation of the > SAMVA US > > chart and the US rectified chart. I have to > explain to the group > why my 300% > > beliefs go the 1776 US chart and that implies the > explanation of my > use of > > FMPs in D-charts. > > > > As you have said before, SAMVA and SATVA are two > different > entities. This is > > already the second time that you loose your temper > with me without > any > > reason. If you feel that you should leave the > list, it is up to > you. I would > > prefer that you stay with us, but I don't want to > disturb your wish. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > On 2/14/07, siha <siha wrote: > > > > > >  ** > > > Hello dear Mr. Jorge, > > > > > > I am not referring to your last answer to SG. > But bringing in > one after > > > the other non-SA concepts in discussions on a > list set up for > discussions on > > > SA is not appropriate. > > > > > > I do not want interpolations and inclusions of > any meanings > ascribed to SA > > > concepts which are not in line with SA > principles. I do not > impose myself on > > > others. Those who want to follow other than SA > principles they > are welcome > > > to do so off list or on other list. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > ** Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino > > > *To:* SAMVA > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:24 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: Re:FMs of Divl charts > > > > > > > > > My dear Professor, > > > > > > I do not see what kind of confusion may happen > with my last > answer to Mr. > > > Sadasivan: > > > > > > Dear Sadasivan, > > > > > > In my opinion, your understanding is correct. > > > > > > First priority goes always to the role played by > the FMPs in D1, > but for > > > any area of life a complete analysis requires > that we look > carefully to the > > > corresponding D-chart, and to the interplay of > both charts. > > > > > > But if that is your wish, for me it is OK. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/14/07, siha <siha > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear Mr. George, SG, and list members, > > > > > > > > The subject being discussed in not as per SA > and just creating > > > > confusion. It > > > > would be better if this and other non-SA > concepts, if > necessary, are > > > > discussed off list. As is evident from the > name of the group it > is for > > > > discussing Systems' Approach and if you want > to discuss non SA > concepts > > > > better open a new group or change the name of > the list (group). > I am > > > > sorry I > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ TV dinner still cooling? Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV. http://tv./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Dear Jorge, I am really pained to note the happenings. I do not blame you . I humbly request you to forget whatever happened . Thanks Sadasivan --- Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: > Thanks my dear FRIEND. > Best wishes, > Jorge > > > On 2/14/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > > My dear Jorge, > > > > Thank you for the magnimonious act. You have yet > again shown what a > > great person you are. We would be honored to keep > your company. Let > > me take the opportunity to thank you for all that > you have done for > > SAMVA. You are a hero in our ranks! > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > PS now we just have to get > back! > > > > > > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " > <jorge.angelino > > wrote: > > > > > > My dear Thor. > > > You just became the owner again. > > > I hope I can stay as member. > > > Best wishes, > > > Jorge > > > > > > > > > On 2/14/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > > > > > > My dear Jorge, > > > > > > > > This matter of who runs the SAMVA list is not > about you. SAMVA > > list > > > > is not the culmination of your work. The work > you have done is a > > self- > > > > standing contribution. It is based on non-SA > ideas and techniques. > > > > This only became clear to me after you had > assumed ownership. > > Moving > > > > your work to another list does not in any way > compromise your > > > > accomplishment and you can still continue with > it outside of > > SAMVA. > > > > It would actually be a better place for it as > it is not based on > > SA. > > > > As I also I mentioned, many list members like > you and will follow > > you > > > > there. There is no problem with that. > > > > > > > > The issue is simply this. You are not using SA > anymore. You have > > put > > > > your own importance above that of Professor > Choudhry. This is not > > > > just a disturbance, it is a culmination of a > intellectual > > > > conflict that has been slowly brewing for some > time. All your > > > > postings are somehow with this new idea or > twist. Just now it was > > > > retrograde Mercury which explains the tension. > That is not SA. You > > > > may not see this clearly, but your approach > has no place in SA. > > > > > > > > The honorable thing now is for you to stand > down as > > owner/moderator > > > > and allow me to continue with the list in the > proper way. You are > > not > > > > being asked to run the list against your own > beliefs, nor should > > you > > > > or anybody have to do such a thing. That would > be wrong. > > > > > > > > So, please think about my offer. We can move > your files to the new > > > > list as soon as you are ready to open it. This > will be best for > > you > > > > and SAMVA. This list is only intended for SA. > You do not have > > > > ownership of SA or SA in the Mundane Sphere. > > > has > > > > now made good on his threat to leave the list > if you continued the > > > > way you have. You ignore that as some temper > tantrum. I don´t > > see it > > > > that way. He has given up on your approach. In > view of what has > > been > > > > taking place for a long time, and now has come > to a head today, > > you > > > > are not doing the right thing by proposing to > continue after all > > of > > > > us just cool down. Temper has nothing to do > with. The issue just > > came > > > > to a head: this is a fundamental difference of > oppinion on > > > > techniques. I hope you find clarity to do the > right and honorable > > > > thing and step down and create a new forum for > your ideas. Believe > > > > me, given where your ideas are, it will be > best for you in the > > long > > > > run. That way we can also continue as good > friends who simply and > > > > respectfully agree to disagree. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " > <jorge.angelino@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *My dear Thor,* > > > > > ** > > > > > *It is not my purpose to go outside SA, but > when I have to > > justify > > > > my work I > > > > > have to explain how it was done. You are > aware since the very > > > > beginning that > > > > > for the mundane rectifications other > techniques have been > > > > used...and it > > > > > seems they have been useful somehow. Now I > have two and a half > > > > years of > > > > > detailed work to justify. It would not be > ethical, and it is > > not my > > > > desire > > > > > to go out at this stage just due to an > emotional disturbance. > > For > > > > that I > > > > > meditate. So I am OK, don't worry. Let the > transits cool down. > > I am > > > > sure > > > > > afterwards reason will prevail.* > > > > > ** > > > > > *Best wishes,* > > > > > ** > > > > > *Jorge > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > On 2/14/07, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > My dear Jorge, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just surprised as can be at your > off-hand reaction to our > > > > dear > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > I founded this list in November 2000 and > based on the key idea > > > > that > > > > > > we would apply SA in the mundane sphere. > This was the main > > idea > > > > for > > > > > > the list. Hence it was named the Systems' > Approach to Mundane > > > > Vedic > > > > > > Astrology - or SAMVA for short. I operated > this list until > > > > December > > > > > > 2004, when I for professional reasons > needed to lighten my > > load. > > > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ The fish are biting. 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