The prediction about the US stock market.

[Guest guest]

Dear list members,

 

The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants

expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

unprecedented optimism.

 

The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

proof of the merit of this chart.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear list members,

>

> The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

>

> I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page paper:

> " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

> uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> SAMVA

>

> page 24

> 16. Conclusion and prediction

> Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

> promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in

> the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA

> USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based

> on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In

> early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

> Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal

> L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

> Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It

> may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the weeks and

> months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more

> pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2

> Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

> Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA

> is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the time

> of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it

> is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on

> the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

> back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains of the

> past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a

> later stage.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

Congratulations on these successful predictions. They have manifested on que

and the confidence in the 21 Cn chart has increased multi-fold.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM

Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

 

 

Dear list members,

 

The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants

expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

unprecedented optimism.

 

The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

proof of the merit of this chart.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear list members,

>

> The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

>

> I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page paper:

> " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

> uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> SAMVA

>

> page 24

> 16. Conclusion and prediction

> Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

> promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in

> the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA

> USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based

> on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In

> early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

> Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal

> L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

> Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It

> may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the weeks and

> months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more

> pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2

> Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

> Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA

> is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the time

> of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it

> is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on

> the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

> back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains of the

> past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a

> later stage.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vyas,

 

Thank you. Indeed, the confidence in the chart increases manifold with

the correct predictions.

 

We should also be mindful of the prediction by in

Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am

 

" In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705

hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of

March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies,

emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues,

financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather

vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. "

 

The time frame for his prediction has yet to be reached, but certainly

with todays events the influence has begun to be felt and the stage is

set.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Congratulations on these successful predictions. They have

manifested on que

> and the confidence in the 21 Cn chart has increased multi-fold.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM

> Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

>

>

> Dear list members,

>

> The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

> support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

> reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

> is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

> one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants

> expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

> unprecedented optimism.

>

> The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

> chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

> More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

> the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

> proof of the merit of this chart.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear list members,

> >

> > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

> >

> > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page paper:

> > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

> > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> > SAMVA

> >

> > page 24

> > 16. Conclusion and prediction

> > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

> > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in

> > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA

> > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based

> > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In

> > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

> > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal

> > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

> > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It

> > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the weeks and

> > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more

> > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2

> > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

> > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA

> > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the time

> > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it

> > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on

> > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

> > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains of the

> > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a

> > later stage.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear List,

 

(SAMVA USA chart)

 

As this plays out this week, we can expect the transit of the Moon in Cancer

for the next couple days to ease the fall in the markets somewhat. The Moon

is the dispositor of Me, Su, and Ra. Tomorrow, the Moon is aspected by

strong FB Mars at the open bell. Tr Mars will be closely conj natal Me as

well, and the trading day ends with Mo-na Me exact.

 

Thursday finds close Mo-MEP H1 and by the end of the day it's under the

exact influence of FM Jupiter.

 

So tomorrow should see a pullback and Thursday should end negatively.

 

The Ra-Su contact next week can be problematic for all the significations of

2H and the Sun esp as the na Ke- tr Su aspect will also be close (currently

exact).

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM

Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

 

 

Dear list members,

 

The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants

expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

unprecedented optimism.

 

The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

proof of the merit of this chart.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear list members,

>

> The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

>

> I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page paper:

> " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

> uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> SAMVA

>

> page 24

> 16. Conclusion and prediction

> Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

> promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in

> the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA

> USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based

> on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In

> early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

> Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal

> L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

> Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It

> may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the weeks and

> months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more

> pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2

> Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

> Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA

> is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the time

> of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it

> is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on

> the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

> back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains of the

> past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a

> later stage.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

[Guest guest]

Hello my dear Thor,

 

There is lot of merit in this. Confidence of people is generated after

prolonged continued comparative study of this and other charts.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:49 AM

Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

 

 

| Dear list members,

|

| The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

| support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

| reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

| is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

| one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants

| expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

| unprecedented optimism.

|

| The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

| chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

| More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

| the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

| proof of the merit of this chart.

|

| Best wishes,

|

| Thor

|

| SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

| >

| > Dear list members,

| >

| > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

| > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

| >

| > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page paper:

| > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

| > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

| > SAMVA

| >

| > page 24

| > 16. Conclusion and prediction

| > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

| > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in

| > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA

| > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based

| > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In

| > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

| > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal

| > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

| > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It

| > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the weeks and

| > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more

| > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2

| > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

| > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

| > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

| > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA

| > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the time

| > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it

| > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on

| > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

| > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

| > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains of the

| > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a

| > later stage.

| >

| > Best wishes,

| >

| > Thor

| >

|

|

|

|

|

|

|

[Guest guest]

Hello my dear Thor,

 

The planetary influences have already started and there intensity is likely

to increase further in the middle of March, 2007.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:37 AM

Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

 

 

| Dear Vyas,

|

| Thank you. Indeed, the confidence in the chart increases manifold with

| the correct predictions.

|

| We should also be mindful of the prediction by in

| Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am

|

| " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705

| hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of

| March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies,

| emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues,

| financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather

| vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. "

|

| The time frame for his prediction has yet to be reached, but certainly

| with todays events the influence has begun to be felt and the stage is

| set.

|

| Best wishes,

|

| Thor

|

| SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

| >

| > Dear Thor,

| >

| > Congratulations on these successful predictions. They have

| manifested on que

| > and the confidence in the 21 Cn chart has increased multi-fold.

| >

| >

| > Best regards,

| >

| > Vyas Munidas

| >

| >

| > -

| > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

| > <SAMVA >

| > Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM

| > Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

| >

| >

| > Dear list members,

| >

| > The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

| > support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

| > reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

| > is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

| > one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants

| > expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

| > unprecedented optimism.

| >

| > The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

| > chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

| > More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

| > the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

| > proof of the merit of this chart.

| >

| > Best wishes,

| >

| > Thor

| >

| > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

| > >

| > > Dear list members,

| > >

| > > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

| > > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

| > >

| > > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page paper:

| > > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

| > > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

| > > SAMVA

| > >

| > > page 24

| > > 16. Conclusion and prediction

| > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

| > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in

| > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA

| > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based

| > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In

| > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

| > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal

| > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

| > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It

| > > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the weeks and

| > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more

| > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2

| > > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

| > > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

| > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

| > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA

| > > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the time

| > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it

| > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on

| > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

| > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

| > > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains of the

| > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a

| > > later stage.

| > >

| > > Best wishes,

| > >

| > > Thor

| > >

| >

|

|

|

|

|

|

[Guest guest]

Thor:In my view nobody should ever consider 1781 chart for USA because the country had already existed and operated since 1776. I and many others agree with you that the date should be July 2, 1776 and not July 4, because the congress hadalready decalared independence on that day. Even John Adams wrote that the independence should be celebrated on July 2 not 4. However I firmly believe that the time should be noon, ie.e 12:00 and not 4:49 pm as you use. There are two reasons for that. One is that the congress had finished discussions at 11:00am, and started taking vote, which might have ended by 12:00. Second is that for entities with uncertain times like countries and companies, the noon time is the best time. If you use 12:00 it is very likely that you will get similar or may be better results. Please be open minded and try 12:00 noon time. You will note that this time produces a stronger chart than 4:49pm chart.Anyway, congratulation on your

prediction.Raj Chadhacosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear Vyas, Thank you. Indeed, the confidence in the chart increases manifold with the correct predictions. We should also be mindful of the prediction by in Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am "In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705 hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies,

emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc." The time frame for his prediction has yet to be reached, but certainly with todays events the influence has begun to be felt and the stage is set. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > Congratulations on these successful predictions. They have manifested on que > and the confidence in the 21 Cn chart has increased multi-fold. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > "cosmologer" <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM > Re: The prediction about the US stock market. > > > Dear list members, > > The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1 > support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it > reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA > is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest > one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants > expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost > unprecedented optimism. > > The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA > chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time. > More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

> the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real > proof of the merit of this chart. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear list members, > > > > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300 > > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today. > > > > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page paper: > > "Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis" and > > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder: > > SAMVA > > > > page 24 > > 16. Conclusion and

prediction > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It > > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the weeks and > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary

aspecting natal L2 > > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US > > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA > > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the time > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall > > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains of the > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a > > later stage. > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Thor > > >

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[Guest guest]

My dear ,

 

Thank you for the wise counsel.

 

My enthusiasm is explained by the fact that I have spent many years of

examining a wide variety of prospective charts for the USA only to

realise they fail at some level and now it seems like we have finally

hit the nail on the head with this one.

 

However, you are very correct there is need for further successful

predictions and comparisons with other charts to establish the confidence.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , <siha wrote:

>

>

> Hello my dear Thor,

>

> There is lot of merit in this. Confidence of people is generated after

> prolonged continued comparative study of this and other charts.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:49 AM

> Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

>

>

> | Dear list members,

> |

> | The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

> | support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

> | reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

> | is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

> | one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants

> | expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

> | unprecedented optimism.

> |

> | The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

> | chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

> | More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

> | the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

> | proof of the merit of this chart.

> |

> | Best wishes,

> |

> | Thor

> |

> | SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> | >

> | > Dear list members,

> | >

> | > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> | > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

> | >

> | > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page

paper:

> | > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

> | > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> | > SAMVA

> | >

> | > page 24

> | > 16. Conclusion and prediction

> | > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

> | > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in

> | > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA

> | > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based

> | > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA

chart.' In

> | > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

> | > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with

natal

> | > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

> | > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from

conflict. It

> | > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the

weeks and

> | > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn

more

> | > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2

> | > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

> | > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> | > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> | > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA

> | > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the

time

> | > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it

> | > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on

> | > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> | > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

> | > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains

of the

> | > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a

> | > later stage.

> | >

> | > Best wishes,

> | >

> | > Thor

> | >

> |

> |

> |

> |

> |

> |

> |

[Guest guest]

Hello Raj,

 

Thank you for your congratulations.

 

If you are intersted to study the historical basis for the SAMVA USA

chart then please feel free to peruse the material compiled in the

Files section of the SAMVA web page.

 

The important point there is that the Maryland State Legislature and

the Governor of the State enacted an Act on Feb 2 1781 at 17:05 hrs

that made Maryland the 13th and final state to formally join the

Perpetual Union of the thirteen states. Prior to that the States

only had an informal union with an emphasis on the freedom and

independence of each of the thirteen states to act, including in their

joint ventures. The act of joining the Perpetual Union by Maryland was

a long awaited event and it was the final stepping stone in formally

binding them together as a formal Union.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote:

>

> Thor:

>

> In my view nobody should ever consider 1781 chart for USA because

the country had already existed and operated since 1776. I and many

others agree with you that the date should be July 2, 1776 and not

July 4, because the congress had

> already decalared independence on that day. Even John Adams wrote

that the independence should be celebrated on July 2 not 4. However I

firmly believe that the time should be noon, ie.e 12:00 and not 4:49

pm as you use. There are two reasons for that. One is that the

congress had finished discussions at 11:00am, and started taking vote,

which might have ended by 12:00. Second is that for entities with

uncertain times like countries and companies, the noon time is the

best time. If you use 12:00 it is very likely that you will get

similar or may be better results. Please be open minded and try 12:00

noon time. You will note that this time produces a stronger chart than

4:49pm chart.

>

> Anyway, congratulation on your prediction.

>

> Raj Chadha

>

> cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Vyas,

>

> Thank you. Indeed, the confidence in the chart increases manifold with

> the correct predictions.

>

> We should also be mindful of the prediction by in

> Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am

>

> " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705

> hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of

> March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies,

> emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues,

> financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather

> vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. "

>

> The time frame for his prediction has yet to be reached, but certainly

> with todays events the influence has begun to be felt and the stage is

> set.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Thor,

> >

> > Congratulations on these successful predictions. They have

> manifested on que

> > and the confidence in the 21 Cn chart has increased multi-fold.

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> >

> > -

> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > <SAMVA >

> > Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM

> > Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

> >

> >

> > Dear list members,

> >

> > The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

> > support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

> > reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

> > is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

> > one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market

participants

> > expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

> > unprecedented optimism.

> >

> > The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

> > chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

> > More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

> > the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

> > proof of the merit of this chart.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear list members,

> > >

> > > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> > > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

> > >

> > > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page

paper:

> > > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

> > > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> > > SAMVA

> > >

> > > page 24

> > > 16. Conclusion and prediction

> > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

> > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and

transits in

> > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the

SAMVA

> > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction

based

> > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA

chart.' In

> > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

> > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction

with natal

> > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

> > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from

conflict. It

> > > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the

weeks and

> > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors

turn more

> > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting

natal L2

> > > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

> > > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the

DJIA

> > > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at

the time

> > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600).

While it

> > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy,

based on

> > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

> > > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains

of the

> > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome

at a

> > > later stage.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> >

 

> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels

> in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello my dear Thor,

 

This also reminds me of the time when there was lot of discussion on US

charts proposed by you and RG and I found that Libra rising chart for US was

not giving the correct indications. Now you also appreciate that.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:49 AM

Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

 

 

| My dear ,

|

| Thank you for the wise counsel.

|

| My enthusiasm is explained by the fact that I have spent many years of

| examining a wide variety of prospective charts for the USA only to

| realise they fail at some level and now it seems like we have finally

| hit the nail on the head with this one.

|

| However, you are very correct there is need for further successful

| predictions and comparisons with other charts to establish the confidence.

|

| Best wishes,

|

| Thor

|

| SAMVA , <siha wrote:

| >

| >

| > Hello my dear Thor,

| >

| > There is lot of merit in this. Confidence of people is generated after

| > prolonged continued comparative study of this and other charts.

| >

| > Best wishes,

| >

| >

| >

| >

| >

| > -

| > " cosmologer " <cosmologer

| > <SAMVA >

| > Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:49 AM

| > Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

| >

| >

| > | Dear list members,

| > |

| > | The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

| > | support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

| > | reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

| > | is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

| > | one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market participants

| > | expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

| > | unprecedented optimism.

| > |

| > | The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

| > | chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

| > | More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

| > | the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

| > | proof of the merit of this chart.

| > |

| > | Best wishes,

| > |

| > | Thor

| > |

| > | SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

| > | >

| > | > Dear list members,

| > | >

| > | > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

| > | > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

| > | >

| > | > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page

| paper:

| > | > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

| > | > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

| > | > SAMVA

| > | >

| > | > page 24

| > | > 16. Conclusion and prediction

| > | > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

| > | > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in

| > | > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA

| > | > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based

| > | > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA

| chart.' In

| > | > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

| > | > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with

| natal

| > | > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

| > | > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from

| conflict. It

| > | > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the

| weeks and

| > | > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn

| more

| > | > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2

| > | > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

| > | > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

| > | > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

| > | > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the DJIA

| > | > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the

| time

| > | > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it

| > | > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on

| > | > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

| > | > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

| > | > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains

| of the

| > | > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a

| > | > later stage.

| > | >

| > | > Best wishes,

| > | >

| > | > Thor

| > | >

| > |

| > |

| > |

| > |

| > |

| > |

| > |

[Guest guest]

My dear ,

 

Yes, I remember. Also then, predictions resolved the matter.

After the " 9/11 " events there was no question the 21° Cancer rising

chart based on 1 March 1781 could explain that event but not the 18°

Libra rising chart based on 4 July 1776. Interestingly, I accurately

predicted a military event in the USA during the fall of 2001 based on

the Cancer rising chart. Due to that, it was easier to drop the Libra

chart, as you wisely counseled at the time. In the fall of 2006, I

also decided to drop the Cancer rising chart as it failed to

accurately predict the events at that time. It was a relief, as I had

always had mixed feelings about the potential of the USA as read from

that chart. So, indeed the successful predictions need to be

repeated to resolve such matters. That said, the logic of this chart

is so compelling, which you have yourself also noted. Thank you for

the continued wise guidance.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , <siha wrote:

>

>

> Hello my dear Thor,

>

> This also reminds me of the time when there was lot of discussion on US

> charts proposed by you and RG and I found that Libra rising chart

for US was

> not giving the correct indications. Now you also appreciate that.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:49 AM

> Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

>

>

> | My dear ,

> |

> | Thank you for the wise counsel.

> |

> | My enthusiasm is explained by the fact that I have spent many years of

> | examining a wide variety of prospective charts for the USA only to

> | realise they fail at some level and now it seems like we have finally

> | hit the nail on the head with this one.

> |

> | However, you are very correct there is need for further successful

> | predictions and comparisons with other charts to establish the

confidence.

> |

> | Best wishes,

> |

> | Thor

> |

> | SAMVA , <siha@> wrote:

> | >

> | >

> | > Hello my dear Thor,

> | >

> | > There is lot of merit in this. Confidence of people is generated

after

> | > prolonged continued comparative study of this and other charts.

> | >

> | > Best wishes,

> | >

> | >

> | >

> | >

> | >

> | > -

> | > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> | > <SAMVA >

> | > Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:49 AM

> | > Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

> | >

> | >

> | > | Dear list members,

> | > |

> | > | The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

> | > | support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver,

before it

> | > | reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover.

The DJIA

> | > | is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the

largest

> | > | one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market

participants

> | > | expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

> | > | unprecedented optimism.

> | > |

> | > | The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

> | > | chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present

time.

> | > | More importantly, these events involving both the US

Presidency and

> | > | the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is

the real

> | > | proof of the merit of this chart.

> | > |

> | > | Best wishes,

> | > |

> | > | Thor

> | > |

> | > | SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> | > | >

> | > | > Dear list members,

> | > | >

> | > | > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> | > | > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

> | > | >

> | > | > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page

> | paper:

> | > | > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological

analysis " and

> | > | > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> | > | > SAMVA

> | > | >

> | > | > page 24

> | > | > 16. Conclusion and prediction

> | > | > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms

of the

> | > | > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and

transits in

> | > | > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of

`the SAMVA

> | > | > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a

prediction based

> | > | > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA

> | chart.' In

> | > | > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating.

Transit L6

> | > | > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with

> | natal

> | > | > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting

transit L8

> | > | > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from

> | conflict. It

> | > | > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the

> | weeks and

> | > | > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn

> | more

> | > | > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting

natal L2

> | > | > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and

the US

> | > | > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> | > | > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> | > | > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months

the DJIA

> | > | > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at the

> | time

> | > | > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600).

While it

> | > | > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy,

based on

> | > | > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> | > | > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA

would fall

> | > | > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains

> | of the

> | > | > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be

overcome at a

> | > | > later stage.

> | > | >

> | > | > Best wishes,

> | > | >

> | > | > Thor

> | > | >

> | > |

> | > |

> | > |

> | > |

> | > |

> | > |

> | > |

[Guest guest]

Hi Raj and List,

 

Since the India chart is based on the Independence day event and it is

deemed accurate, it is natural to jump to the conclusion that any

independence event for any country is the defining moment of its birth.

However, we must look closer.

 

Elements of transfer of power, a body/ruler to wield such authority and the

unification of the majority of previously fractured portions, are key and

not limited to this.

 

Thor has rightfully pointed out the key phrase in the 1781 event, " Perpetual

Union, " after which the unified leadership and direction were clear, formal

and structured. Prior, the land was divided into several different

'countries,' if you will, with informal agreements and common goals. In the

India Independance event, transfer of power by Ld Mountbatten was done to an

already structured and functional government body.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:28 PM

Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

 

 

Hello Raj,

 

Thank you for your congratulations.

 

If you are intersted to study the historical basis for the SAMVA USA

chart then please feel free to peruse the material compiled in the

Files section of the SAMVA web page.

 

The important point there is that the Maryland State Legislature and

the Governor of the State enacted an Act on Feb 2 1781 at 17:05 hrs

that made Maryland the 13th and final state to formally join the

Perpetual Union of the thirteen states. Prior to that the States

only had an informal union with an emphasis on the freedom and

independence of each of the thirteen states to act, including in their

joint ventures. The act of joining the Perpetual Union by Maryland was

a long awaited event and it was the final stepping stone in formally

binding them together as a formal Union.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote:

>

> Thor:

>

> In my view nobody should ever consider 1781 chart for USA because

the country had already existed and operated since 1776. I and many

others agree with you that the date should be July 2, 1776 and not

July 4, because the congress had

> already decalared independence on that day. Even John Adams wrote

that the independence should be celebrated on July 2 not 4. However I

firmly believe that the time should be noon, ie.e 12:00 and not 4:49

pm as you use. There are two reasons for that. One is that the

congress had finished discussions at 11:00am, and started taking vote,

which might have ended by 12:00. Second is that for entities with

uncertain times like countries and companies, the noon time is the

best time. If you use 12:00 it is very likely that you will get

similar or may be better results. Please be open minded and try 12:00

noon time. You will note that this time produces a stronger chart than

4:49pm chart.

>

> Anyway, congratulation on your prediction.

>

> Raj Chadha

>

> cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Vyas,

>

> Thank you. Indeed, the confidence in the chart increases manifold with

> the correct predictions.

>

> We should also be mindful of the prediction by in

> Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am

>

> " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705

> hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of

> March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies,

> emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues,

> financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather

> vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. "

>

> The time frame for his prediction has yet to be reached, but certainly

> with todays events the influence has begun to be felt and the stage is

> set.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Thor,

> >

> > Congratulations on these successful predictions. They have

> manifested on que

> > and the confidence in the 21 Cn chart has increased multi-fold.

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> >

> > -

> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > <SAMVA >

> > Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM

> > Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

> >

> >

> > Dear list members,

> >

> > The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

> > support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

> > reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

> > is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

> > one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market

participants

> > expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

> > unprecedented optimism.

> >

> > The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

> > chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

> > More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

> > the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

> > proof of the merit of this chart.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear list members,

> > >

> > > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> > > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

> > >

> > > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page

paper:

> > > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

> > > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> > > SAMVA

> > >

> > > page 24

> > > 16. Conclusion and prediction

> > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

> > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and

transits in

> > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the

SAMVA

> > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction

based

> > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA

chart.' In

> > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

> > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction

with natal

> > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

> > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from

conflict. It

> > > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the

weeks and

> > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors

turn more

> > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting

natal L2

> > > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

> > > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the

DJIA

> > > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at

the time

> > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600).

While it

> > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy,

based on

> > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

> > > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains

of the

> > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome

at a

> > > later stage.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

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Thanks Vyas, You have clarified a very important set of considerations, and meaningful distinctions arising from the challenge of proper mundane astrological analysis. In the SAMVA and SA Groups the February 2, 1781 radix is the SAMVA USA chart, Inside and outside the group the key consideration you have rightly identified is: "PERPETUAL UNION". This is the determinative characteristic of the event: American UNION born. The birth chart is the authentic chart for American UNION. It should not be confused with the subsequent chart for the Articles of Confederation, on March 1, 1781. This subsequent, subordinate event is for the UNION's first constitution. AND, obviously, but analytically nonetheless, the UNION is the author of its own constitution. OR, more to the point: the UNION created the constitution; the constitution did not create the

UNION. February 2, 1781 was the enacted RATIFICATION of the 13th and final State's commitment, Maryland's, which sealed the UNION in PERPETUITY. March 1, 1781 was the enactment of the constitution by the CONFIRMING signatures of the Maryland delegates in Congress. The history books mislead the student on these distinctions. The 13 RATIFICATIONS of RECORD are dated variously from the FIRST, Virginia's, on December 15, 1777 to the LAST, Maryland's, on February 2, 1781. The 13 CONFIRMATIONS [of the prior ratifications] of RECORD are the signatures on the Articles of Confederation, dated variously from the FIRST eight, on July 9, 1778, to the LAST, the 13th, Maryland's, on March 1, 1781. Best wishes to ALL. John Vyas Munidas

<muni> wrote: Hi Raj and List,Since the India chart is based on the Independence day event and it is deemed accurate, it is natural to jump to the conclusion that any independence event for any country is the defining moment of its birth. However, we must look closer.Elements of transfer of power, a body/ruler to wield such authority and the unification of the majority of previously fractured portions, are key and not limited to this.Thor has rightfully pointed out the key

phrase in the 1781 event, "Perpetual Union," after which the unified leadership and direction were clear, formal and structured. Prior, the land was divided into several different 'countries,' if you will, with informal agreements and common goals. In the India Independance event, transfer of power by Ld Mountbatten was done to an already structured and functional government body.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "cosmologer" <cosmologer ><SAMVA >Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:28 PM Re: The prediction about the US stock market.Hello Raj,Thank you for your congratulations.If you are intersted to study the historical basis for the SAMVA USAchart then please feel free to peruse the material compiled in

theFiles section of the SAMVA web page.The important point there is that the Maryland State Legislature andthe Governor of the State enacted an Act on Feb 2 1781 at 17:05 hrsthat made Maryland the 13th and final state to formally join thePerpetual Union of the thirteen states. Prior to that the Statesonly had an informal union with an emphasis on the freedom andindependence of each of the thirteen states to act, including in theirjoint ventures. The act of joining the Perpetual Union by Maryland wasa long awaited event and it was the final stepping stone in formallybinding them together as a formal Union.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote:>> Thor:>> In my view nobody should ever consider 1781 chart for USA becausethe country had already existed and operated since 1776. I

and manyothers agree with you that the date should be July 2, 1776 and notJuly 4, because the congress had> already decalared independence on that day. Even John Adams wrotethat the independence should be celebrated on July 2 not 4. However Ifirmly believe that the time should be noon, ie.e 12:00 and not 4:49pm as you use. There are two reasons for that. One is that thecongress had finished discussions at 11:00am, and started taking vote,which might have ended by 12:00. Second is that for entities withuncertain times like countries and companies, the noon time is thebest time. If you use 12:00 it is very likely that you will getsimilar or may be better results. Please be open minded and try 12:00noon time. You will note that this time produces a stronger chart than4:49pm chart.>> Anyway, congratulation on your prediction.>> Raj Chadha>> cosmologer <cosmologer

wrote:Dear Vyas,>> Thank you. Indeed, the confidence in the chart increases manifold with> the correct predictions.>> We should also be mindful of the prediction by in> Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am>> "In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705> hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of> March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies,> emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues,> financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather> vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc.">> The time frame for his prediction has yet to be reached, but certainly> with todays events the influence has begun to be felt and the stage is> set.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>> SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <munidas@> wrote:> >> > Dear Thor,> >> > Congratulations on these successful predictions. They have> manifested on que> > and the confidence in the 21 Cn chart has increased multi-fold.> >> >> > Best regards,> >> > Vyas Munidas> >> >> > - > > "cosmologer" <cosmologer@>> > <SAMVA >> > Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM> > Re: The prediction about the US stock market.> >> >> > Dear list members,> >> > The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1> > support level at 12300 and going to around

12100. Howver, before it> > reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA> > is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest> > one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect marketparticipants> > expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost> > unprecedented optimism.> >> > The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA> > chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.> > More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and> > the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real> > proof of the merit of this chart.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Thor> >> > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@>

wrote:> > >> > > Dear list members,> > >> > > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300> > > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.> > >> > > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 pagepaper:> > > "Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis" and> > > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:> > > SAMVA> > >> > > page 24> > > 16. Conclusion and prediction> > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the> > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods andtransits in> > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of

`theSAMVA> > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a predictionbased> > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USAchart.' In> > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6> > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunctionwith natal> > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8> > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings fromconflict. It> > > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in theweeks and> > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investorsturn more> > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspectingnatal L2> > > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US> > > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to

the> > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions> > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months theDJIA> > > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (atthe time> > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600).While it> > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy,based on> > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a> > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall> > > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gainsof the> > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcomeat a> > > later stage.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Thor> > >>

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Dear John,

 

It is by your history lessons and perspective in these matters that I have

come to better understanding of many of these events.

 

It is to the credit of SA, and 's continued guidance that

we are able to judge the natal promise of these charted events as they match

reality or not.

 

This is the key in all of this as popular history doesn't always have the

correct perspective, where events are judged by present standards and

similar events.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" JohnTWB " <blazingstar1776

<SAMVA >

Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:31 AM

Re: Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

 

 

Thanks Vyas,

 

You have clarified a very important set of considerations, and meaningful

distinctions arising from the challenge of proper mundane astrological

analysis.

 

In the SAMVA and SA Groups the February 2, 1781 radix is the SAMVA USA

chart,

 

Inside and outside the group the key consideration you have rightly

identified is: " PERPETUAL UNION " . This is the determinative characteristic

of the event: American UNION born.

 

The birth chart is the authentic chart for American UNION. It should not

be confused with the subsequent chart for the Articles of Confederation, on

March 1, 1781. This subsequent, subordinate event is for the UNION's first

constitution. AND, obviously, but analytically nonetheless, the UNION is the

author of its own constitution. OR, more to the point: the UNION created the

constitution; the constitution did not create the UNION.

 

February 2, 1781 was the enacted RATIFICATION of the 13th and final

State's commitment, Maryland's, which sealed the UNION in PERPETUITY.

 

March 1, 1781 was the enactment of the constitution by the CONFIRMING

signatures of the Maryland delegates in Congress.

 

The history books mislead the student on these distinctions. The 13

RATIFICATIONS of RECORD are dated variously from the FIRST, Virginia's, on

December 15, 1777 to the LAST, Maryland's, on February 2, 1781.

 

The 13 CONFIRMATIONS [of the prior ratifications] of RECORD are the

signatures on the Articles of Confederation, dated variously from the FIRST

eight, on July 9, 1778, to the LAST, the 13th, Maryland's, on March 1, 1781.

 

Best wishes to ALL.

 

John

 

Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote:

Hi Raj and List,

 

Since the India chart is based on the Independence day event and it is

deemed accurate, it is natural to jump to the conclusion that any

independence event for any country is the defining moment of its birth.

However, we must look closer.

 

Elements of transfer of power, a body/ruler to wield such authority and the

unification of the majority of previously fractured portions, are key and

not limited to this.

 

Thor has rightfully pointed out the key phrase in the 1781 event, " Perpetual

Union, " after which the unified leadership and direction were clear, formal

and structured. Prior, the land was divided into several different

'countries,' if you will, with informal agreements and common goals. In the

India Independance event, transfer of power by Ld Mountbatten was done to an

already structured and functional government body.

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:28 PM

Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

 

Hello Raj,

 

Thank you for your congratulations.

 

If you are intersted to study the historical basis for the SAMVA USA

chart then please feel free to peruse the material compiled in the

Files section of the SAMVA web page.

 

The important point there is that the Maryland State Legislature and

the Governor of the State enacted an Act on Feb 2 1781 at 17:05 hrs

that made Maryland the 13th and final state to formally join the

Perpetual Union of the thirteen states. Prior to that the States

only had an informal union with an emphasis on the freedom and

independence of each of the thirteen states to act, including in their

joint ventures. The act of joining the Perpetual Union by Maryland was

a long awaited event and it was the final stepping stone in formally

binding them together as a formal Union.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote:

>

> Thor:

>

> In my view nobody should ever consider 1781 chart for USA because

the country had already existed and operated since 1776. I and many

others agree with you that the date should be July 2, 1776 and not

July 4, because the congress had

> already decalared independence on that day. Even John Adams wrote

that the independence should be celebrated on July 2 not 4. However I

firmly believe that the time should be noon, ie.e 12:00 and not 4:49

pm as you use. There are two reasons for that. One is that the

congress had finished discussions at 11:00am, and started taking vote,

which might have ended by 12:00. Second is that for entities with

uncertain times like countries and companies, the noon time is the

best time. If you use 12:00 it is very likely that you will get

similar or may be better results. Please be open minded and try 12:00

noon time. You will note that this time produces a stronger chart than

4:49pm chart.

>

> Anyway, congratulation on your prediction.

>

> Raj Chadha

>

> cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Vyas,

>

> Thank you. Indeed, the confidence in the chart increases manifold with

> the correct predictions.

>

> We should also be mindful of the prediction by in

> Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am

>

> " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705

> hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of

> March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies,

> emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues,

> financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather

> vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. "

>

> The time frame for his prediction has yet to be reached, but certainly

> with todays events the influence has begun to be felt and the stage is

> set.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Thor,

> >

> > Congratulations on these successful predictions. They have

> manifested on que

> > and the confidence in the 21 Cn chart has increased multi-fold.

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> >

> > -

> > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > <SAMVA >

> > Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:19 PM

> > Re: The prediction about the US stock market.

> >

> >

> > Dear list members,

> >

> > The market just dropped over 500 points, thereby breaching the 1

> > support level at 12300 and going to around 12100. Howver, before it

> > reached the 2 level of support at 11900 it began to recover. The DJIA

> > is currently down around 400 points. As this decline is the largest

> > one day drop for many years, it is bound to affect market

participants

> > expectations going forward, after an eight month rally of almost

> > unprecedented optimism.

> >

> > The events of today are PERFECTLY explained by the SAMVA USA

> > chart based on the serious transit afflictions at the present time.

> > More importantly, these events involving both the US Presidency and

> > the stock market were PREDICTED based on the chart. That is the real

> > proof of the merit of this chart.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear list members,

> > >

> > > The DJIA has now declined by 273 points and approaches the 12300

> > > support level mentioned by Vyas Munidas earlier today.

> > >

> > > I attach the prediction made on 10 February 2007 in the 25 page

paper:

> > > " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " and

> > > uploaded to SAMVA files section - the SAMVA USA chart folder:

> > > SAMVA

> > >

> > > page 24

> > > 16. Conclusion and prediction

> > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the

> > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and

transits in

> > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the

SAMVA

> > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction

based

> > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA

chart.' In

> > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6

> > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction

with natal

> > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8

> > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from

conflict. It

> > > may also signal a tightening of financial conditions in the

weeks and

> > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors

turn more

> > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting

natal L2

> > > Sun, suggesting a setback for the wealth of the country and the US

> > > Presidency. The likelihood of a correction is high due to the

> > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions

> > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. As a result, in coming months the

DJIA

> > > is predicted to decline from the present elevated levels (at

the time

> > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600).

While it

> > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy,

based on

> > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a

> > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall

> > > back into the 9.500-10.700 range; thereby wiping out the gains

of the

> > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome

at a

> > > later stage.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> >

 

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