Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Dear Thor, Jorge, , and others: There have been a lot of discussions on this board about finding an appropriate chart for the country USA. I know that Jorge feels strongly about 7/2/1776, 4:49pm, and Thor about 2/2/1781, 5:05 pm. Yet I would like all of you to consider seriously another chart, which contains all the elements Jorge, Thor and even Ron Grimes feel strongly about. I have studied all the arguments on this board about the choice of 2/2/1781 and 3/3/1781, that it was the last vote or the ratification of confederation that can only the beginning or birth of USA. But in fact it should be the time and date when the confederation was established the USA became a country of group of states united under one government. That time was the meeting time (11AM to 2PM) when the articles of confederation was passed on Nov 15, 1777 in York, Pennsylvania by the continental Congress. Considering the historical events of the USA I rectify the time of birth to be12:25pm, which is almost in the middle of the meeting. Here is the chart I am proposing for USA, and I will describe briefly now how it shows not only the elements you people feel so strongly about but also how it explains the character of USA and some of the important historical events. Here the rising degree is Capricorn 21 instead of Cancer 21. The placement and strength of Moon, Saturn, Venus and Mercury in Libra shows the financial prowess of the country, intellectual pursuits and scientific achievements, and adoption of the principles of justice and liberty for all. The placement of Mars and Ketu on MEP of 12H, in the martial sign of Sagittarius indicates its military strength and history of fighting wars on foreign lands. The aspect of Rahu on Mercury and Saturn shows why every era of financial exuberance accompanied with manipulation and fraud, and ended abruptly. Together these planets show why its economy is tied with the wars and conflicts. 12L is in the 8H indicating continuous natural calamities and disasters. Capricorn ascendant and the strength of Saturn shows its ability to fight back such disasters and emerge ever more powerfully. Many people feel that USA has Scorpio nature. Here the Sun-sign is Scorpio. Transit studies of most devastating dates (12/7/1941, 9/11/2001, 10/25/1929, 10/19/1987) show cc/ca of either Jupiter and Sun (FM and MMP) or Mars and Ketu (both violent planets). This confirms that both Sun and Jupiter are FM's for USA not Jupiter and Saturn as in Cancer 21degree chart. Assassinations of its presidents have also taken place when Sun was severely afflicted and badly placed in the Capricorn rising chart. I know Thor is emotionally attached to 2/2/1781 chart like Jorge to 7/2/1776 chart. But I humbly request all of you to please look at this chart and evaluate and compare with other charts before accepting a final chart for USA. Thanks Raj Chadha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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