Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007  Hello Jorge You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if you start a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found in practice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all their bridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts there to discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from various sources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2 cents worth. Best to you and all Pierre - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq My dear Thor, You are very right. Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it... I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, because it needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusively according with SA. Best wishes, Jorge On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Dear Sally and Jorge,As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement.The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The unique contributionof Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA. This isno surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on somesecret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover, Jorge doesnot base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements.That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is onany non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such a list. Itis likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list.That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creatingconfusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have beenrejected by as producing only confusion. Finally,thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in the discussion here.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "Sally Spencer" <sally234 wrote:>> Hello Jorge,>> That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords playedsuch a> strong role. Good work.>> Sally>>>> *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO, and the> > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see whathappens to its> > significations ...*> > **> > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.* > >> > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactlywhen the> > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,and FMP> > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives), the natal> > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house ofthe Moon,> > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated andexactly over> > MEP1. *> > > > *Best wishes,*> >> > > *Jorge*> > >> >>> On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:> >> > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT, March 11,> > 2007 Story Highlights• Deployment is in addition to 21,500announced in> > January> > • Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad> > • Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesman says > > • Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted> >> > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved arequest to> > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > >> > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, newcoalition> > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo,Brazil, and> > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe. > >> > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additional troopsto Iraq> > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdad and Anbar> > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > >> > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated to detainee> > operations, as the number of people detained is expected toincrease under> > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would be for combat> > support troops.> >> > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates saidWednesday> > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent.> >> > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi revising the> > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,> > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > >> > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, according to theOffice> > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from itemsdeemed> > "less timely or lower priorities than those in the current request," the OMB> > said.> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html> > > > *Dear List Members,*> >> > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:*> > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO,and the> > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what happens to its> > significations ...*> > **> > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.*> >> > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly when the> > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,and FMP> > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives),the natal> > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house of the Moon,> > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated andexactly over> > MEP1. *> >> > *Best wishes,*> >> > *Jorge*> >> > > >>>> --> Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid> A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-> Ascension work, Astrology> Vedic (Hindu) and Western>> www.Devi3.byregion.net> sally234 EnlightenedLiving/>> Waves of Love> Entering the Planet > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 My dear Pierre, Thank you for your kind words and nice suggestion. I will think about it and will let you know in due time. Best wishes, Jorge On 3/11/07, Pierre Touchard <pierretouchard wrote:  Hello Jorge You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if you start a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found in practice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all their bridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts there to discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from various sources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2 cents worth. Best to you and all Pierre - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq My dear Thor, You are very right. Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it... I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, because it needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusively according with SA. Best wishes, Jorge On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Dear Sally and Jorge,As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement.The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The unique contributionof Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA. This is no surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on somesecret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover, Jorge doesnot base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements.That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is onany non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such a list. Itis likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list. That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creatingconfusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have beenrejected by as producing only confusion. Finally,thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in the discussion here.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote: >> Hello Jorge,>> That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords playedsuch a> strong role. Good work.>> Sally>>>> *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO, and the> > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see whathappens to its> > significations ...*> > **> > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.* > >> > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactlywhen the> > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,and FMP> > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives), the natal> > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house ofthe Moon,> > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated andexactly over> > MEP1. *> > > > *Best wishes,*> >> > > *Jorge*> > >> >>> On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:> >> > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT, March 11,> > 2007 Story Highlights• Deployment is in addition to 21,500announced in> > January> > • Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad> > • Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesman says > > • Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted> >> > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved arequest to> > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > >> > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, newcoalition> > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo,Brazil, and> > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe. > >> > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additional troopsto Iraq> > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdad and Anbar> > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > >> > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated to detainee> > operations, as the number of people detained is expected toincrease under> > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would be for combat> > support troops.> >> > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates saidWednesday> > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent.> > > > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi revising the> > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,> > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > >> > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, according to theOffice> > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from itemsdeemed> > " less timely or lower priorities than those in the current request, " the OMB> > said.> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html > > > > *Dear List Members,*> >> > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:*> > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO,and the> > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what happens to its> > significations ...*> > **> > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.*> >> > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly when the> > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,and FMP> > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives),the natal> > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house of the Moon,> > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated andexactly over> > MEP1. *> >> > *Best wishes,*> >> > *Jorge*> >> > > >>>> --> Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid> A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-> Ascension work, Astrology> Vedic (Hindu) and Western>> www.Devi3.byregion.net> sally234 EnlightenedLiving/ >> Waves of Love> Entering the Planet > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Hello Pierre, The point is not that we are " burning our bridges " , rather that the SA theory is not being modified by " all and sundry " . The point of SA is that it embodies the insight and judgement of . He has proven himself to be far better at that than most others I have come across. We are free to accept his guidance in the form of SA in our work in order to gain predictive accuracy. If we don´t want to accept that guidance it is pointless to be posting about other ideas here. I also think you are going a bit far by implying that theory research ends with SA. In fact SA theory has been evolving over time. This is clear to those of us who have been following it since the late 1990s. However, when explicitly states that so-and-so technique doesn´t work, we have a choice to believe him and stay with the tried and proven or go elsewhere. I am comfortable and grateful to accept the guidance of in the area of predictive astrology. It has served me quite well. For me, his views have held up far better than those of others. Finally, it is in nobodies interest to persist with posting non-SA ideas here, especially if has rejected them. It just creates confusion and/or tension on the list. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Pierre Touchard " <pierretouchard wrote: > > Hello Jorge > > You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if you start a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found in practice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all their bridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts there to discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from various sources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2 cents worth. > Best to you and all > Pierre > > - > Jorge Angelino > SAMVA > Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM > Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq > > > > My dear Thor, > > You are very right. > > Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it... > > I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, because it needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusively according with SA. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > > > On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > Dear Sally and Jorge, > > As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement. > > The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been > predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The unique contribution > of Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that > does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA. This is > no surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on some > secret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover, Jorge does > not base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements. > That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a > number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is on > any non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such a list. It > is likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list. > That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creating > confusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have been > rejected by as producing only confusion. Finally, > thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in > the discussion here. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " Sally Spencer " <sally234@> wrote: > > > > Hello Jorge, > > > > That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords played > such a > > strong role. Good work. > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO, > and the > > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what > happens to its > > > significations ...* > > > ** > > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.* > > > > > > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly > when the > > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha, > and FMP > > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives), > the natal > > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house of > the Moon, > > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and > exactly over > > > MEP1. * > > > > > > *Best wishes,* > > > > > > > *Jorge* > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote: > > > > > > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT, March 11, > > > 2007 Story Highlights• Deployment is in addition to 21,500 > announced in > > > January > > > • Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad > > > • Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesman says > > > • Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted > > > > > > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved a > request to > > > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > > > > > > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, new > coalition > > > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo, > Brazil, and > > > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe. > > > > > > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additional troops > to Iraq > > > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdad and Anbar > > > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > > > > > > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated to detainee > > > operations, as the number of people detained is expected to > increase under > > > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would be for > combat > > > support troops. > > > > > > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said > Wednesday > > > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent. > > > > > > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi revising the > > > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, > > > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > > > > > > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, according to the > Office > > > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from items > deemed > > > " less timely or lower priorities than those in the current > request, " the OMB > > > said. > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html > > > > > > *Dear List Members,* > > > > > > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:* > > > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO, > and the > > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what > happens to its > > > significations ...* > > > ** > > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.* > > > > > > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly > when the > > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha, > and FMP > > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives), > the natal > > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house of > the Moon, > > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and > exactly over > > > MEP1. * > > > > > > *Best wishes,* > > > > > > *Jorge* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid > > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing- > > Ascension work, Astrology > > Vedic (Hindu) and Western > > > > www.Devi3.byregion.net > > sally234@ > > EnlightenedLiving/ > > > > Waves of Love > > Entering the Planet > > It's inevitable. It's contagious~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007  Hello my dear Jorge, Personally I appreciate use of dependable predictive techniques by astrologers - and that may not necessarily be SA. However, sometimes I found it difficult to explain to some of the members about use of non-SA techniques. We are all here for development of dependable techniques and your untiring efforts are an example in itself. Well setting up another group using multiple techniques is a good idea and you certainly enjoy a lot of goodwill with SATVA and SAMVA members. Best wishes. - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:16 PM Re: a list My dear Pierre, Thank you for your kind words and nice suggestion. I will think about it and will let you know in due time. Best wishes, Jorge On 3/11/07, Pierre Touchard <pierretouchard wrote:  Hello Jorge You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if you start a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found in practice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all their bridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts there to discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from various sources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2 cents worth. Best to you and all Pierre - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq My dear Thor, You are very right. Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it... I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, because it needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusively according with SA. Best wishes, Jorge On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Dear Sally and Jorge,As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement.The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The unique contributionof Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA. This isno surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on somesecret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover, Jorge doesnot base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements.That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is onany non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such a list. Itis likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list.That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creatingconfusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have beenrejected by as producing only confusion. Finally,thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in the discussion here.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "Sally Spencer" <sally234 wrote: >> Hello Jorge,>> That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords playedsuch a> strong role. Good work.>> Sally>>>> *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO, and the> > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see whathappens to its> > significations ...*> > **> > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.* > >> > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactlywhen the> > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,and FMP> > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives), the natal> > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house ofthe Moon,> > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated andexactly over> > MEP1. *> > > > *Best wishes,*> >> > > *Jorge*> > >> >>> On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:> >> > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT, March 11,> > 2007 Story Highlights• Deployment is in addition to 21,500announced in> > January> > • Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad> > • Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesman says > > • Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted> >> > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved arequest to> > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > >> > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, newcoalition> > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo,Brazil, and> > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe. > >> > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additional troopsto Iraq> > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdad and Anbar> > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > >> > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated to detainee> > operations, as the number of people detained is expected toincrease under> > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would be for combat> > support troops.> >> > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates saidWednesday> > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent.> >> > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi revising the> > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,> > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > >> > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, according to theOffice> > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from itemsdeemed> > "less timely or lower priorities than those in the current request," the OMB> > said.> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html > > > > *Dear List Members,*> >> > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:*> > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO,and the> > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what happens to its> > significations ...*> > **> > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.*> >> > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly when the> > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,and FMP> > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives),the natal> > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house of the Moon,> > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated andexactly over> > MEP1. *> >> > *Best wishes,*> >> > *Jorge*> >> > > >>>> --> Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid> A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-> Ascension work, Astrology> Vedic (Hindu) and Western>> www.Devi3.byregion.net> sally234 EnlightenedLiving/ >> Waves of Love> Entering the Planet > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 My dear Professor, I understand your point of view, and feel grateful for all these years we have been working together in the pursuit of a greater clarity for SA. Thank you also for your kind suggestion/blessings regarding the possibility of a new group. Best wishes, Jorge On 3/11/07, siha <siha > wrote:  Hello my dear Jorge, Personally I appreciate use of dependable predictive techniques by astrologers - and that may not necessarily be SA. However, sometimes I found it difficult to explain to some of the members about use of non-SA techniques. We are all here for development of dependable techniques and your untiring efforts are an example in itself. Well setting up another group using multiple techniques is a good idea and you certainly enjoy a lot of goodwill with SATVA and SAMVA members. Best wishes. - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:16 PM Re: a list My dear Pierre, Thank you for your kind words and nice suggestion. I will think about it and will let you know in due time. Best wishes, Jorge On 3/11/07, Pierre Touchard <pierretouchard > wrote:  Hello Jorge You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if you start a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found in practice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all their bridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts there to discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from various sources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2 cents worth. Best to you and all Pierre - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq My dear Thor, You are very right. Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it... I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, because it needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusively according with SA. Best wishes, Jorge On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Dear Sally and Jorge,As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement.The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The unique contributionof Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA. This is no surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on somesecret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover, Jorge doesnot base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements.That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is onany non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such a list. Itis likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list. That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creatingconfusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have beenrejected by as producing only confusion. Finally,thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in the discussion here.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote: >> Hello Jorge,>> That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords playedsuch a> strong role. Good work.>> Sally>>>> *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO, and the> > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see whathappens to its> > significations ...*> > **> > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.* > >> > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactlywhen the> > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,and FMP> > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives), the natal> > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house ofthe Moon,> > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated andexactly over> > MEP1. *> > > > *Best wishes,*> >> > > *Jorge*> > >> >>> On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:> >> > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT, March 11,> > 2007 Story Highlights• Deployment is in addition to 21,500announced in> > January> > • Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad> > • Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesman says > > • Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted> >> > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved arequest to> > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > >> > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, newcoalition> > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo,Brazil, and> > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe. > >> > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additional troopsto Iraq> > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdad and Anbar> > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > >> > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated to detainee> > operations, as the number of people detained is expected toincrease under> > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would be for combat> > support troops.> >> > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates saidWednesday> > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent.> > > > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi revising the> > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,> > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > >> > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, according to theOffice> > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from itemsdeemed> > " less timely or lower priorities than those in the current request, " the OMB> > said.> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html > > > > *Dear List Members,*> >> > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:*> > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter VE/SA/RA/MO/MO,and the> > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what happens to its> > significations ...*> > **> > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.*> >> > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly when the> > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,and FMP> > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 (initiatives),the natal> > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona house of the Moon,> > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated andexactly over> > MEP1. *> >> > *Best wishes,*> >> > *Jorge*> >> > > >>>> --> Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid> A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-> Ascension work, Astrology> Vedic (Hindu) and Western>> www.Devi3.byregion.net> sally234 EnlightenedLiving/ >> Waves of Love> Entering the Planet > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Hello Thor There is no debate for me, and everyone follow what they want to follow. I am saddened to see Jorge's interesting ideas having to stop here, (Jorge, make me lie, laugh) as long as they vary one comma from the accepted views of Prof Choudhry, as great and sharp as they are !! He's been most creative, and of great benefit to this SA community. Now we may have to start another or discuss on other lists and time is well, quite short. Pierre - cosmologer SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:41 PM Re: a list Hello Pierre,The point is not that we are "burning our bridges", rather that the SAtheory is not being modified by "all and sundry". The point of SA isthat it embodies the insight and judgement of . Hehas proven himself to be far better at that than most others I havecome across. We are free to accept his guidance in the form of SA inour work in order to gain predictive accuracy. If we don´t want toaccept that guidance it is pointless to be posting about other ideashere. I also think you are going a bit far by implying that theoryresearch ends with SA. In fact SA theory has been evolving over time.This is clear to those of us who have been following it since the late1990s. However, when explicitly states thatso-and-so technique doesn´t work, we have a choice to believe him andstay with the tried and proven or go elsewhere. I am comfortable andgrateful to accept the guidance of in the area ofpredictive astrology. It has served me quite well. For me, his viewshave held up far better than those of others. Finally, it is innobodies interest to persist with posting non-SA ideas here,especially if has rejected them. It just createsconfusion and/or tension on the list. Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "Pierre Touchard" <pierretouchardwrote:>> Hello Jorge> > You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if youstart a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found inpractice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all theirbridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts thereto discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from varioussources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2cents worth.> Best to you and all> Pierre> > - > Jorge Angelino > SAMVA > Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM> Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq> > > > My dear Thor,> > You are very right. > > Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it...> > I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, becauseit needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusivelyaccording with SA.> > Best wishes,> > Jorge> > > > > On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > Dear Sally and Jorge,> > As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement.> > The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been > predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The uniquecontribution> of Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that > does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA.This is> no surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on some> secret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover,Jorge does> not base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements.> That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a > number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is on> any non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such alist. It> is likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list.> That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creating> confusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have been> rejected by as producing only confusion. Finally,> thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in > the discussion here.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > SAMVA , "Sally Spencer" <sally234@> wrote:> >> > Hello Jorge,> >> > That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords played> such a> > strong role. Good work.> >> > Sally> >> >> >> > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enterVE/SA/RA/MO/MO, > and the> > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what> happens to its> > > significations ...*> > > **> > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the comingdays.* > > >> > > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly> when the> > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,> and FMP> > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3(initiatives), > the natal> > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikonahouse of> the Moon,> > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and> exactly over> > > MEP1. *> > > > > > *Best wishes,*> > >> > > > *Jorge*> > > >> > >> >> > On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote:> > >> > > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT,March 11,> > > 2007 Story Highlights• Deployment is in addition to 21,500> announced in> > > January> > > • Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad> > > • Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesmansays > > > • Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted> > >> > > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved a> request to> > > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > > >> > > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, new> coalition> > > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo,> Brazil, and> > > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman GordonJohndroe. > > >> > > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additionaltroops> to Iraq> > > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdadand Anbar> > > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > > >> > > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated todetainee> > > operations, as the number of people detained is expected to> increase under> > > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would befor > combat> > > support troops.> > >> > > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said> Wednesday> > > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent.> > >> > > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosirevising the> > > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq andAfghanistan,> > > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > > >> > > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, accordingto the> Office> > > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from items> deemed> > > "less timely or lower priorities than those in the current > request," the OMB> > > said.> > >> > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html> > > > > > *Dear List Members,*> > >> > > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:*> > > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enterVE/SA/RA/MO/MO,> and the> > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what > happens to its> > > significations ...*> > > **> > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.*> > >> > > *This decision of the US President related with war cameexactly > when the> > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,> and FMP> > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3(initiatives),> the natal> > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikonahouse of > the Moon,> > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and> exactly over> > > MEP1. *> > >> > > *Best wishes,*> > >> > > *Jorge*> > >> > > > > >> >> >> > --> > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid> > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-> > Ascension work, Astrology> > Vedic (Hindu) and Western> >> > www.Devi3.byregion.net> > sally234@> > EnlightenedLiving/> >> > Waves of Love> > Entering the Planet > > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Hello dear Mr. Touchard, I am sure Mr. Angelino's idea will continue to be there. The suggestion of a new list will preserve the work done by Mr. Jorge Angelino on all the country charts rectified by him using multiple techniques based on historical facts and past events. Besides, Mr. Angelino there are many on SATVA/SAMVA who like to use both SA and non-SA techniques. Having another list is not a bad idea at all and it may prove to be useful in the long run. Best wishes. - Pierre Touchard SAMVA Monday, March 12, 2007 6:14 AM Re: Re: a list Hello Thor There is no debate for me, and everyone follow what they want to follow. I am saddened to see Jorge's interesting ideas having to stop here, (Jorge, make me lie, laugh) as long as they vary one comma from the accepted views of Prof Choudhry, as great and sharp as they are !! He's been most creative, and of great benefit to this SA community. Now we may have to start another or discuss on other lists and time is well, quite short. Pierre - cosmologer SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:41 PM Re: a list Hello Pierre,The point is not that we are "burning our bridges", rather that the SAtheory is not being modified by "all and sundry". The point of SA isthat it embodies the insight and judgement of . Hehas proven himself to be far better at that than most others I havecome across. We are free to accept his guidance in the form of SA inour work in order to gain predictive accuracy. If we don´t want toaccept that guidance it is pointless to be posting about other ideashere. I also think you are going a bit far by implying that theoryresearch ends with SA. In fact SA theory has been evolving over time.This is clear to those of us who have been following it since the late1990s. However, when explicitly states thatso-and-so technique doesn´t work, we have a choice to believe him andstay with the tried and proven or go elsewhere. I am comfortable andgrateful to accept the guidance of in the area ofpredictive astrology. It has served me quite well. For me, his viewshave held up far better than those of others. Finally, it is innobodies interest to persist with posting non-SA ideas here,especially if has rejected them. It just createsconfusion and/or tension on the list. Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "Pierre Touchard" <pierretouchardwrote:>> Hello Jorge> > You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if youstart a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found inpractice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all theirbridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts thereto discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from varioussources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2cents worth.> Best to you and all> Pierre> > - > Jorge Angelino > SAMVA > Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM> Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq> > > > My dear Thor,> > You are very right. > > Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it...> > I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, becauseit needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusivelyaccording with SA.> > Best wishes,> > Jorge> > > > > On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > Dear Sally and Jorge,> > As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement.> > The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been > predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The uniquecontribution> of Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that > does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA.This is> no surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on some> secret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover,Jorge does> not base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements.> That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a > number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is on> any non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such alist. It> is likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list.> That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creating> confusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have been> rejected by as producing only confusion. Finally,> thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in > the discussion here.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > SAMVA , "Sally Spencer" <sally234@> wrote:> >> > Hello Jorge,> >> > That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords played> such a> > strong role. Good work.> >> > Sally> >> >> >> > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enterVE/SA/RA/MO/MO, > and the> > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what> happens to its> > > significations ...*> > > **> > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the comingdays.* > > >> > > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly> when the> > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,> and FMP> > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3(initiatives), > the natal> > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikonahouse of> the Moon,> > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and> exactly over> > > MEP1. *> > > > > > *Best wishes,*> > >> > > > *Jorge*> > > >> > >> >> > On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote:> > >> > > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT,March 11,> > > 2007 Story Highlights• Deployment is in addition to 21,500> announced in> > > January> > > • Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad> > > • Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesmansays > > > • Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted> > >> > > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved a> request to> > > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > > >> > > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, new> coalition> > > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo,> Brazil, and> > > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman GordonJohndroe. > > >> > > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additionaltroops> to Iraq> > > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdadand Anbar> > > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > > >> > > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated todetainee> > > operations, as the number of people detained is expected to> increase under> > > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would befor > combat> > > support troops.> > >> > > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said> Wednesday> > > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent.> > >> > > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosirevising the> > > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq andAfghanistan,> > > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > > >> > > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, accordingto the> Office> > > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from items> deemed> > > "less timely or lower priorities than those in the current > request," the OMB> > > said.> > >> > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html> > > > > > *Dear List Members,*> > >> > > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:*> > > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enterVE/SA/RA/MO/MO,> and the> > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what > happens to its> > > significations ...*> > > **> > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.*> > >> > > *This decision of the US President related with war cameexactly > when the> > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,> and FMP> > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3(initiatives),> the natal> > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikonahouse of > the Moon,> > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and> exactly over> > > MEP1. *> > >> > > *Best wishes,*> > >> > > *Jorge*> > >> > > > > >> >> >> > --> > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid> > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-> > Ascension work, Astrology> > Vedic (Hindu) and Western> >> > www.Devi3.byregion.net> > sally234@> > EnlightenedLiving/> >> > Waves of Love> > Entering the Planet > > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007  Hello dear Mr. Touchard, Further to my earlier message. The first list on internet on astrology was the jyotish list. At that time concept was not there. Some persons who had studied SA sought my permission to put salient features on SA on jyotish list. That generated lot of discussions. Some people on jyotish list did not like the idea of concurrently existance of classical astrology and SA on jyotish list. Suggestion for a separate SA list came at that time and SATVA was started. Satva and later Samva came into existance. Whever there are persistent thoughts a dedicated platform is always welcome. Jyotish list is working these days as at and SATVA and SAMVA are working separately at . Best wishes, - siha SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:33 PM Re: Re: a list Hello dear Mr. Touchard, I am sure Mr. Angelino's idea will continue to be there. The suggestion of a new list will preserve the work done by Mr. Jorge Angelino on all the country charts rectified by him using multiple techniques based on historical facts and past events. Besides, Mr. Angelino there are many on SATVA/SAMVA who like to use both SA and non-SA techniques. Having another list is not a bad idea at all and it may prove to be useful in the long run. Best wishes. - Pierre Touchard SAMVA Monday, March 12, 2007 6:14 AM Re: Re: a list Hello Thor There is no debate for me, and everyone follow what they want to follow. I am saddened to see Jorge's interesting ideas having to stop here, (Jorge, make me lie, laugh) as long as they vary one comma from the accepted views of Prof Choudhry, as great and sharp as they are !! He's been most creative, and of great benefit to this SA community. Now we may have to start another or discuss on other lists and time is well, quite short. Pierre - cosmologer SAMVA Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:41 PM Re: a list Hello Pierre,The point is not that we are "burning our bridges", rather that the SAtheory is not being modified by "all and sundry". The point of SA isthat it embodies the insight and judgement of . Hehas proven himself to be far better at that than most others I havecome across. We are free to accept his guidance in the form of SA inour work in order to gain predictive accuracy. If we don´t want toaccept that guidance it is pointless to be posting about other ideashere. I also think you are going a bit far by implying that theoryresearch ends with SA. In fact SA theory has been evolving over time.This is clear to those of us who have been following it since the late1990s. However, when explicitly states thatso-and-so technique doesn´t work, we have a choice to believe him andstay with the tried and proven or go elsewhere. I am comfortable andgrateful to accept the guidance of in the area ofpredictive astrology. It has served me quite well. For me, his viewshave held up far better than those of others. Finally, it is innobodies interest to persist with posting non-SA ideas here,especially if has rejected them. It just createsconfusion and/or tension on the list. Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "Pierre Touchard" <pierretouchardwrote:>> Hello Jorge> > You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if youstart a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found inpractice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all theirbridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts thereto discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from varioussources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2cents worth.> Best to you and all> Pierre> > - > Jorge Angelino > SAMVA > Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM> Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq> > > > My dear Thor,> > You are very right. > > Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it...> > I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, becauseit needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusivelyaccording with SA.> > Best wishes,> > Jorge> > > > > On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > Dear Sally and Jorge,> > As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement.> > The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been > predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The uniquecontribution> of Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that > does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA.This is> no surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on some> secret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover,Jorge does> not base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements.> That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a > number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is on> any non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such alist. It> is likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list.> That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creating> confusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have been> rejected by as producing only confusion. Finally,> thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in > the discussion here.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > SAMVA , "Sally Spencer" <sally234@> wrote:> >> > Hello Jorge,> >> > That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords played> such a> > strong role. Good work.> >> > Sally> >> >> >> > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enterVE/SA/RA/MO/MO, > and the> > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what> happens to its> > > significations ...*> > > **> > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the comingdays.* > > >> > > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly> when the> > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,> and FMP> > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3(initiatives), > the natal> > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikonahouse of> the Moon,> > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and> exactly over> > > MEP1. *> > > > > > *Best wishes,*> > >> > > > *Jorge*> > > >> > >> >> > On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote:> > >> > > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT,March 11,> > > 2007 Story Highlights• Deployment is in addition to 21,500> announced in> > > January> > > • Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad> > > • Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesmansays > > > • Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted> > >> > > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved a> request to> > > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > > >> > > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, new> coalition> > > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo,> Brazil, and> > > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman GordonJohndroe. > > >> > > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additionaltroops> to Iraq> > > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdadand Anbar> > > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > > >> > > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated todetainee> > > operations, as the number of people detained is expected to> increase under> > > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would befor > combat> > > support troops.> > >> > > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said> Wednesday> > > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent.> > >> > > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosirevising the> > > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq andAfghanistan,> > > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > > >> > > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, accordingto the> Office> > > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from items> deemed> > > "less timely or lower priorities than those in the current > request," the OMB> > > said.> > >> > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html> > > > > > *Dear List Members,*> > >> > > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:*> > > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enterVE/SA/RA/MO/MO,> and the> > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what > happens to its> > > significations ...*> > > **> > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.*> > >> > > *This decision of the US President related with war cameexactly > when the> > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha,> and FMP> > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3(initiatives),> the natal> > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikonahouse of > the Moon,> > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and> exactly over> > > MEP1. *> > >> > > *Best wishes,*> > >> > > *Jorge*> > >> > > > > >> >> >> > --> > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid> > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-> > Ascension work, Astrology> > Vedic (Hindu) and Western> >> > www.Devi3.byregion.net> > sally234@> > EnlightenedLiving/> >> > Waves of Love> > Entering the Planet > > It's inevitable. It's contagious~> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Hello Pierre, has given a good answer. I would only add that in my view predictive accuracy is the most important aspect of this work. I am not at all interested in ideas for their own sake. To my mind SA addresses the issue of predictive accuracy best. SAMVA list is also dedicated to SA. My post was just to point out that there are plenty of other lists for other ideas. If anything, I am trying to liberate those who do not find SA sufficient, by directing them elsewhere. That can in no way be understood as an effort to restrict their focus or development. At the same time, it is hoped that by reducing confusion over non-SA ideas, it will increase the effectiveness of the discussion on this list. In other words, we should all benefit by the clear separation of such list discussion. At the same time, people are free to belong to both lists! I wish you best of luck with your efforts in astrology. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Pierre Touchard " <pierretouchard wrote: > > Hello Thor > There is no debate for me, and everyone follow what they want to follow. > I am saddened to see Jorge's interesting ideas having to stop here, (Jorge, make me lie, laugh) as long as they vary one comma from the accepted views of Prof Choudhry, as great and sharp as they are !! He's been most creative, and of great benefit to this SA community. > Now we may have to start another or discuss on other lists and time is well, quite short. > > Pierre > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:41 PM > Re: a list > > > Hello Pierre, > > The point is not that we are " burning our bridges " , rather that the SA > theory is not being modified by " all and sundry " . The point of SA is > that it embodies the insight and judgement of . He > has proven himself to be far better at that than most others I have > come across. We are free to accept his guidance in the form of SA in > our work in order to gain predictive accuracy. If we don´t want to > accept that guidance it is pointless to be posting about other ideas > here. I also think you are going a bit far by implying that theory > research ends with SA. In fact SA theory has been evolving over time. > This is clear to those of us who have been following it since the late > 1990s. However, when explicitly states that > so-and-so technique doesn´t work, we have a choice to believe him and > stay with the tried and proven or go elsewhere. I am comfortable and > grateful to accept the guidance of in the area of > predictive astrology. It has served me quite well. For me, his views > have held up far better than those of others. Finally, it is in > nobodies interest to persist with posting non-SA ideas here, > especially if has rejected them. It just creates > confusion and/or tension on the list. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " Pierre Touchard " <pierretouchard@> > wrote: > > > > Hello Jorge > > > > You were not being inconvenient to me. It would be nice if you > start a list, based on SA to a large part, using methods found in > practice. I think most veteran astrologers have not burned all their > bridges. For one, you might place some of your rectified charts there > to discuss and we might work on them. Insights come from various > sources. However i have no time or energy to found one myself. My 2 > cents worth. > > Best to you and all > > Pierre > > > > - > > Jorge Angelino > > SAMVA > > Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:42 AM > > Re: Re: US - Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq > > > > > > > > My dear Thor, > > > > You are very right. > > > > Sorry for being so inconvenient. I was not aware of it... > > > > I have just deleted the list of all the rectified charts, because > it needs further attention as the techniques used were not exclusively > according with SA. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > > > > On 3/11/07, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > Dear Sally and Jorge, > > > > As moderator of SAMVA, I now have to make a statement. > > > > The issues now being signalled by Jorge have for some time now been > > predicted on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. The unique > contribution > > of Jorge is to base the analysis on a chart that > > does not think has the natal promise consistent with the USA. > This is > > no surprise as the chart was not rectified based on SA, but on some > > secret multi dasa-bukhti system of rectification. Moreover, > Jorge does > > not base the analysis of this chart on SA, but some non-SA elements. > > That is fine in itself. However, as I have advised to Jorge on a > > number of occasions, the best place for such non-SA discussion is on > > any non-SA list. Sally, you and Jorge could even found such a > list. It > > is likely that some astrologers here would join you on such a list. > > That would be just fine. It is pointless to persist in creating > > confusion on this SA list with such ideas. These ideas have been > > rejected by as producing only confusion. Finally, > > thank you for observing the SAMVA list rules while participating in > > the discussion here. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " Sally Spencer " <sally234@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Jorge, > > > > > > That's interesting Jorge-that the more specific dasha lords played > > such a > > > strong role. Good work. > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > > > > > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter > VE/SA/RA/MO/MO, > > and the > > > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what > > happens to its > > > > significations ...* > > > > ** > > > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming > days.* > > > > > > > > *This decision of the US President related with war came exactly > > when the > > > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha, > > and FMP > > > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 > (initiatives), > > the natal > > > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona > house of > > the Moon, > > > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and > > exactly over > > > > MEP1. * > > > > > > > > *Best wishes,* > > > > > > > > > *Jorge* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/10/07, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bush OKs 4,400 extra troops for Iraq POSTED: 4:05 a.m. EDT, > March 11, > > > > 2007 Story Highlightsâ?¢ Deployment is in addition to 21,500 > > announced in > > > > January > > > > â?¢ Increase comes at request of commander in Baghdad > > > > â?¢ Most of 4,400 will handle detainee operations, spokesman > says > > > > â?¢ Budget request remains $100 billion but allocation adjusted > > > > > > > > *MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay* (CNN) -- President Bush has approved a > > request to > > > > deploy 4,400 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, officials said. > > > > > > > > The president signed the request from Gen. David Petraeus, new > > coalition > > > > commander in Iraq, while on Air Force One between Sao Paulo, > > Brazil, and > > > > Montevideo, said National Security Council spokesman Gordon > Johndroe. > > > > > > > > In January, Bush said he planned to send 21,500 additional > troops > > to Iraq > > > > in an effort to stabilize the country, particularly Baghdad > and Anbar > > > > province. The 4,400 troops are in addition to that number. > > > > > > > > Johndroe said the bulk of the troops would be dedicated to > detainee > > > > operations, as the number of people detained is expected to > > increase under > > > > the new Baghdad security plan. The others, he said, would be > for > > combat > > > > support troops. > > > > > > > > The increase was expected. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said > > Wednesday > > > > that nearly 5,000 additional troops would be sent. > > > > > > > > Bush has also sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi > revising the > > > > $100 billion request for funding the wars in Iraq and > Afghanistan, > > > > reallocating $3.2 billion for the extra troops. > > > > > > > > The overall $100 billion request has not changed, according > to the > > Office > > > > of Management and Budget. The reallocation would come from items > > deemed > > > > " less timely or lower priorities than those in the current > > request, " the OMB > > > > said. > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.troops/index.html > > > > > > > > *Dear List Members,* > > > > > > > > *yesterday, in msg #13099, it was predicted:* > > > > *Tomorrow, March 11, around 6 a.m., US will enter > VE/SA/RA/MO/MO, > > and the > > > > Moon will be debilitated exactly over MEP1. Let us see what > > happens to its > > > > significations ...* > > > > ** > > > > *It may also bring losses to the government in the coming days.* > > > > > > > > *This decision of the US President related with war came > exactly > > when the > > > > weak Moon became operational in the last two levels of US dasha, > > and FMP > > > > Mars, L6 and ruler of Scorpio, is exactly over MEP3 > (initiatives), > > the natal > > > > house of the Moon, afflicting also MEP9, the mooltrikona > house of > > the Moon, > > > > and MEP10 (the presidency). Transit Moon is debilitated and > > exactly over > > > > MEP1. * > > > > > > > > *Best wishes,* > > > > > > > > *Jorge* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid > > > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing- > > > Ascension work, Astrology > > > Vedic (Hindu) and Western > > > > > > www.Devi3.byregion.net > > > sally234@ > > > EnlightenedLiving/ > > > > > > Waves of Love > > > Entering the Planet > > > It's inevitable. It's contagious~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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