Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Dear friends, The US stock market is down in morning trading, by 70 points at 12248. The dire condition of some mortgage lenders is spooking the market. Best wishes, Thor U.S. Stocks Fall, Led By Financials on Home Lending Concern By Nick Baker March 13 (Bloomberg) -- A three-day rally in U.S. stocks faltered after the second home lender this week said it may default on payments to creditors. Bear Stearns Cos., Citigroup Inc. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. led 85 of 88 financial stocks in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index lower. Accredited Home Lenders Holding Co. lost half its value after saying it needs to raise cash to pay its debts, while Countrywide Financial Corp., the largest U.S. mortgage lender, dropped to the lowest since September. Government data showing retail sales rose last month less than economists forecast heightened concern that a crisis in mortgage lending may spill over from financial companies to department stores and discount retailers. ``I would be very surprised if it didn't spread,'' said Alex Motola, who manages the $2 billion Thornburg Core Growth Fund in Santa Fe, New Mexico. ``The consumer is at risk again.'' The S & P 500 lost 4.52, or 0.3 percent, to 1402.08 at 10:47 a.m. in New York. The Dow Jones Industrial Average sank 56.24, or 0.5 percent, to 12,262.38 and the Nasdaq Composite Index retreated 9.93, or 0.4 percent, to 2392.36. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? pid=20601087 & sid=aQvjuHb3rER4 & refer=home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Dear friends, The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon trading and the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points below its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This is considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are growing that a " credit crunch " may be in the making due to problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further decline in asset prices. Best wishes, Thor Stocks get slammed again Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market woes, disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stock declines accelerated Tuesday afternoon, with investors bailing out amid ongoing worries about subprime mortgage lenders, a weak retail sales report and a further decline for the U.S. dollar. The Dow Jones industrial average (down 165.35 to 12,153.27, Charts) lost over 200 points, or roughly 1.7 percent, with about 90 minutes left in the session. The broader S & P 500 (down 18.95 to 1,387.65, Charts) index lost 1.8 percent and the tech-heavy Nasdaq (down 36.23 to 2,366.06, Charts) composite lost 1.8 percent. FED FOCUS ECONOMY HOT STOCKS INVESTOR RESEARCH CENTER Video More video The subprime mortgage market is heading for a meltdown. CNN's Gerri Willis reports. (March 10) Play video The Russell 2000 (down 15.73 to 773.27, Charts) small-cap index slumped 2.4 percent. Subprime apocalypse? Stocks rallied Monday at the end of a choppy session in which worries about the subprime mortgage lenders vied with deals news. Such worries were revived Tuesday after New Century Financial (Charts) said the Securities and Exchange Commission has subpoenaed documents in accounting probes. In addition, the New York Stock Exchange has suspended trading of the stock and is in the process of having it delisted. New Century's problems sparked a further selloff in the rest of the sector. http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/13/markets/markets_0130/index.htm?cnn=yes SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The US stock market is down in morning trading, by 70 points at 12248. > The dire condition of some mortgage lenders is spooking the market. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > U.S. Stocks Fall, Led By Financials on Home Lending Concern > By Nick Baker > > March 13 (Bloomberg) -- A three-day rally in U.S. stocks faltered > after the second home lender this week said it may default on > payments to creditors. > > Bear Stearns Cos., Citigroup Inc. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. > led 85 of 88 financial stocks in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index > lower. Accredited Home Lenders Holding Co. lost half its value after > saying it needs to raise cash to pay its debts, while Countrywide > Financial Corp., the largest U.S. mortgage lender, dropped to the > lowest since September. > > Government data showing retail sales rose last month less than > economists forecast heightened concern that a crisis in mortgage > lending may spill over from financial companies to department stores > and discount retailers. > > ``I would be very surprised if it didn't spread,'' said Alex Motola, > who manages the $2 billion Thornburg Core Growth Fund in Santa Fe, > New Mexico. ``The consumer is at risk again.'' > > The S & P 500 lost 4.52, or 0.3 percent, to 1402.08 at 10:47 a.m. in > New York. The Dow Jones Industrial Average sank 56.24, or 0.5 > percent, to 12,262.38 and the Nasdaq Composite Index retreated 9.93, > or 0.4 percent, to 2392.36. > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? > pid=20601087 & sid=aQvjuHb3rER4 & refer=home > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Dear list members, The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at 12075 and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a significant development and in line with the predictions based on the SAMVA USA chart. On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following prediction in Message #12141: " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705 hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the Files section of the SAMVA web page: SAMVA On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: ----------------- 16. Conclusion and prediction Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks and months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2 Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE DJIA IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the time of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of the past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a later stage. ----------------- These predictions were made well before the stock market had its sharp decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the market stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off event and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a specific setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have repeatedly discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in the SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and especially today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of investor concerns. This events should boost the confidence of list members that the SAMVA USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be expected in the Spring months. Best wishes. Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon trading and > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points below > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This is > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further decline in > asset prices. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > Stocks get slammed again > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market woes, > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Hi Thor, The predictions are working out quite well and increases the confidence in the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 points from the lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline since Feb 27th. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM Re: U.S. Stocks Fall Dear list members, The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at 12075 and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a significant development and in line with the predictions based on the SAMVA USA chart. On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following prediction in Message #12141: " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705 hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the Files section of the SAMVA web page: SAMVA On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: ----------------- 16. Conclusion and prediction Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks and months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2 Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE DJIA IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the time of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of the past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a later stage. ----------------- These predictions were made well before the stock market had its sharp decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the market stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off event and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a specific setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have repeatedly discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in the SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and especially today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of investor concerns. This events should boost the confidence of list members that the SAMVA USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be expected in the Spring months. Best wishes. Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon trading and > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points below > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This is > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further decline in > asset prices. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > Stocks get slammed again > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market woes, > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 dear thor... well done. thank you for this contribution... here is another major news item that may lead to a crisis: E-mails lay out plan to dismiss U.S. attorneys POSTED: 9:27 p.m. EDT, March 13, 2007 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An e-mail from the Justice Department's Kyle Sampson in March 2005 laid out a simple formula for evaluating whether the 93 U.S. attorneys should stay or go. On a chart given to then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers, Sampson -- chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales -- listed attorneys in three categories: "Bold = Recommend retaining; strong U.S. attorneys who have managed well, and exhibited loyalty to the president and attorney general. "Strikeout = Recommend removing; weak U.S. attorneys who have been ineffectual managers and prosecutors, chafed against administration initiatives, etc. "Nothing = No recommendation; have not distinguished themselves either positively or negatively." Sampson was in charge of deciding which U.S. attorneys would be removed in a shakeup last year. Eight prosecutors were eventually removed. Sampson resigned from his post Monday, just as the e-mails he wrote were released publicly. WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday "mistakes were made" regarding the firing of eight U.S. attorneys and he accepts responsibility for the ordeal. Gonzales said the lawyers should have been told why they were being fired and admitted the explanations initially given to Congress about the matter were "incomplete." "As we can all imagine, in an organization of 110,000 people, I am not aware of every bit of information that passes through the halls of justice, nor am I aware of all decisions," he said at a Tuesday afternoon news conference. "That is a sorry excuse," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said minutes later on the Senate floor. Schumer said Gonzales should resign. "Did the attorney general not know that eight U.S. attorneys were to be fired?" Schumer said. "If he didn't know, he shouldn't be attorney general, plain and simple. ... The buck stops with the attorney general." However, Gonzales said he was not stepping down. "I'm committed to doing my job -- and that is what I intend to do here on behalf of the American people." The Bush administration has said the firings -- seven in December and one months earlier -- were routine personnel matters that were the result of poor performance. However, Democrats accuse the administration of trying to dictate to the prosecutors, who are supposed to be nonpartisan. Several of the prosecutors who were fired have said they were being pressured to move more quickly on investigations into voter fraud. Democrats are examining e-mails they say prove the White House was far more involved in the firings than it has acknowledged. (Full story) The key e-mails are from the Gonzales' chief of staff, who resigned amid growing criticism Monday, the Justice Department said Tuesday. An e-mail from D. Kyle Sampson to former White House counsel Harriet Miers dated January 1, 2006, read, "You have asked whether President Bush should remove and replace U.S. Attorneys whose four-year terms have expired. I recommend that the Department of Justice and the Office of the Counsel to the President work together to seek the replacement of a limited number of U.S. Attorneys." On September 13, 2006, Sampson e-mailed Miers lists of federal attorneys "In the Process of Being Pushed Out" and those "We Now Should Consider Pushing Out." Sampson proposed using a provision of the anti-terrorism Patriot Act to circumvent the standard appointment process. A provision added in 2006 allows the president to appoint interim federal prosecutors who can serve indefinitely without Senate confirmation. By skipping the Justice Department's normal personnel system, Sampson told Miers, "we can give far less deference to home-state senators and thereby get (1) our preferred person appointed and (2) do it far faster and more efficiently, at less political cost to the White House." Schumer said the revelations "proved beyond any reasonable doubt that there has been an unprecedented breach of trust, abuse of power and misuse of the Justice Department. And that is very serious and very important," said Schumer, referring to the e-mails. Schumer also warned the White House against making Sampson "the next fall guy." "Today's staff resignation does not take heat off the attorney general. In fact, it raises the temperature. Kyle Sampson will not become the next Scooter Libby," said the senator, referring to Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff who was convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury last week in an investigation into the exposure of a CIA agent. (Watch Schumer call for Gonzales to step down Video) Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, said Gonzales "has exhibited a lack of candor with Congress and disdain for the rule of law and our constitutional system," and called his resignation "long overdue." Schumer and Kennedy are on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has held hearings about the firings. White House spokesman Tony Snow confirmed it was Miers who came up with an idea to remove all the federal prosecutors and bring in "fresh blood" at the beginning of President Bush's second term. Snow said Miers' proposal was a suggestion, not a recommendation, to fire all the federal prosecutors. Bush made "no recommendations on specific individuals," he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Looks good Thor. Sally On 3/13/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear list members,The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at 12075and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a significant development and in line with the predictions based on theSAMVA USA chart.On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the followingprediction in Message #12141: " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705 hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle ofMarch, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies,emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues,FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Mostrecently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - anastrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in theFiles section of the SAMVA web page:SAMVAOn page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: -----------------16. Conclusion and predictionPast historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of thepromise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits inthe chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction basedon it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' Inearly 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natalL8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks andmonths ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn morepessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to thecombination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictionsinvolving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE DJIAIS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the time of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While itis hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based onthe analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine adecline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of thepast two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at alater stage.-----------------These predictions were made well before the stock market had its sharp decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that daysurprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the marketstabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one offevent, associated with China. However, today, the market has again become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off eventand it the tremors in the market are not associated with a specificsetback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, thosefollowing all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have repeatedly discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in theSAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and especiallytoday, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of investor concerns.This events should boost the confidence of list members that the SAMVAUSA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become moredifficult still, further declines in share prices are to be expected in the Spring months.Best wishes.ThorSAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear friends, >> The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon trading and> the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is> considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points below > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This is> considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are> growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further decline in> asset prices.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>> Stocks get slammed again> Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market woes, >>-- Sally Spencer, Jyotish KovidA Gentle Journey to Deep Healing-Ascension work, AstrologyVedic (Hindu) and Western www.Devi3.byregion.netsally234EnlightenedLiving/ Waves of Love Entering the PlanetIt's inevitable. It's contagious~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dear David, Thanks for the kind words and for alerting us to this brewing scandal. Indeed, we have also been predicting a SETBACK FOR THE US PRESIDENCY. This effort by the administration to promote or fire judges, in the judiciary branch of government, based on their loyalty to the political agenda of the President, is really an affront to the basic rule of democracy that you have three independent branches of Federal government: 1. the executive (US President and his Administration), 2. the legislative (US Congress) and 3. the judiciary (the Courts). That said, this tension concerning the influence of the Executive Branch over the Judiciary has always been palpable in modern democracy, as the US President is the one who appoints people to become judges on the major courts. As a check, the Congress then approves the appointment. That way, the balance is retained. However, this idea to promote or fire judges based on their " politics " is a more radical one and could really disturb a lot of people in the USA. Already, the US Attorney General has admitted this idea was a " mistake " . Was it applied in practice? Let's see how far this scandal goes. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > dear thor... > > well done. > > thank you for this contribution... > > here is another major news item that may lead to a crisis: > > > -- > > > > E-mails lay out plan to dismiss U.S. attorneys > > POSTED: 9:27 p.m. EDT, March 13, 2007 > > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An e-mail from the Justice Department's Kyle Sampson in March 2005 laid out a simple formula for evaluating whether the 93 U.S. attorneys should stay or go. > > > > On a chart given to then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers, Sampson -- chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales -- listed attorneys in three categories: > > > > " Bold = Recommend retaining; strong U.S. attorneys who have managed well, and exhibited loyalty to the president and attorney general. > > > > " Strikeout = Recommend removing; weak U.S. attorneys who have been ineffectual managers and prosecutors, chafed against administration initiatives, etc. > > > > " Nothing = No recommendation; have not distinguished themselves either positively or negatively. " > > > > Sampson was in charge of deciding which U.S. attorneys would be removed in a shakeup last year. Eight prosecutors were eventually removed. Sampson resigned from his post Monday, just as the e-mails he wrote were released publicly. > > > > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday " mistakes were made " regarding the firing of eight U.S. attorneys and he accepts responsibility for the ordeal. > > > > Gonzales said the lawyers should have been told why they were being fired and admitted the explanations initially given to Congress about the matter were " incomplete. " > > > > " As we can all imagine, in an organization of 110,000 people, I am not aware of every bit of information that passes through the halls of justice, nor am I aware of all decisions, " he said at a Tuesday afternoon news conference. > > > > " That is a sorry excuse, " Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said minutes later on the Senate floor. > > > > Schumer said Gonzales should resign. > > > > " Did the attorney general not know that eight U.S. attorneys were to be fired? " Schumer said. " If he didn't know, he shouldn't be attorney general, plain and simple. ... The buck stops with the attorney general. " > > > > However, Gonzales said he was not stepping down. > > > > " I'm committed to doing my job -- and that is what I intend to do here on behalf of the American people. " > > > > The Bush administration has said the firings -- seven in December and one months earlier -- were routine personnel matters that were the result of poor performance. > > > > However, Democrats accuse the administration of trying to dictate to the prosecutors, who are supposed to be nonpartisan. Several of the prosecutors who were fired have said they were being pressured to move more quickly on investigations into voter fraud. > > > > Democrats are examining e-mails they say prove the White House was far more involved in the firings than it has acknowledged. (Full story) > > > > The key e-mails are from the Gonzales' chief of staff, who resigned amid growing criticism Monday, the Justice Department said Tuesday. > > > > An e-mail from D. Kyle Sampson to former White House counsel Harriet Miers dated January 1, 2006, read, " You have asked whether President Bush should remove and replace U.S. Attorneys whose four-year terms have expired. I recommend that the Department of Justice and the Office of the Counsel to the President work together to seek the replacement of a limited number of U.S. Attorneys. " > > > > On September 13, 2006, Sampson e-mailed Miers lists of federal attorneys " In the Process of Being Pushed Out " and those " We Now Should Consider Pushing Out. " > > > > Sampson proposed using a provision of the anti-terrorism Patriot Act to circumvent the standard appointment process. > > > > A provision added in 2006 allows the president to appoint interim federal prosecutors who can serve indefinitely without Senate confirmation. > > > > By skipping the Justice Department's normal personnel system, Sampson told Miers, " we can give far less deference to home-state senators and thereby get (1) our preferred person appointed and (2) do it far faster and more efficiently, at less political cost to the White House. " > > > > Schumer said the revelations " proved beyond any reasonable doubt that there has been an unprecedented breach of trust, abuse of power and misuse of the Justice Department. And that is very serious and very important, " said Schumer, referring to the e-mails. > > > > Schumer also warned the White House against making Sampson " the next fall guy. " > > > > " Today's staff resignation does not take heat off the attorney general. In fact, it raises the temperature. Kyle Sampson will not become the next Scooter Libby, " said the senator, referring to Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff who was convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury last week in an investigation into the exposure of a CIA agent. (Watch Schumer call for Gonzales to step down Video) > > > > Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, said Gonzales " has exhibited a lack of candor with Congress and disdain for the rule of law and our constitutional system, " and called his resignation " long overdue. " > > > > Schumer and Kennedy are on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has held hearings about the firings. > > > > White House spokesman Tony Snow confirmed it was Miers who came up with an idea to remove all the federal prosecutors and bring in " fresh blood " at the beginning of President Bush's second term. > > > > Snow said Miers' proposal was a suggestion, not a recommendation, to fire all the federal prosecutors. Bush made " no recommendations on specific individuals, " he said. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dear list members, Further to my earlier message, I have just read all the material David shared and it is clear that this wild idea was applied in practice and that eight justices were fired on the basis of it. So, this scandal is real. Already there have been calls for the Attorney General to assume responsibility and step down, but he refuses. He says its a big office and he didn't know about this. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear David, > > Thanks for the kind words and for alerting us to this brewing scandal. > > Indeed, we have also been predicting a SETBACK FOR THE US PRESIDENCY. > This effort by the administration to promote or fire judges, in the > judiciary branch of government, based on their loyalty to the > political agenda of the President, is really an affront to the basic > rule of democracy that you have three independent branches of Federal > government: > > 1. the executive (US President and his Administration), > 2. the legislative (US Congress) and > 3. the judiciary (the Courts). > > That said, this tension concerning the influence of the Executive > Branch over the Judiciary has always been palpable in modern > democracy, as the US President is the one who appoints people to > become judges on the major courts. As a check, the Congress then > approves the appointment. That way, the balance is retained. However, > this idea to promote or fire judges based on their " politics " is a > more radical one and could really disturb a lot of people in the USA. > Already, the US Attorney General has admitted this idea was a > " mistake " . Was it applied in practice? Let's see how far this scandal > goes. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > dear thor... > > > > well done. > > > > thank you for this contribution... > > > > here is another major news item that may lead to a crisis: > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > E-mails lay out plan to dismiss U.S. attorneys > > > > POSTED: 9:27 p.m. EDT, March 13, 2007 > > > > > > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An e-mail from the Justice Department's Kyle > Sampson in March 2005 laid out a simple formula for evaluating whether > the 93 U.S. attorneys should stay or go. > > > > > > > > On a chart given to then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers, Sampson > -- chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales -- listed > attorneys in three categories: > > > > > > > > " Bold = Recommend retaining; strong U.S. attorneys who have managed > well, and exhibited loyalty to the president and attorney general. > > > > > > > > " Strikeout = Recommend removing; weak U.S. attorneys who have been > ineffectual managers and prosecutors, chafed against administration > initiatives, etc. > > > > > > > > " Nothing = No recommendation; have not distinguished themselves > either positively or negatively. " > > > > > > > > Sampson was in charge of deciding which U.S. attorneys would be > removed in a shakeup last year. Eight prosecutors were eventually > removed. Sampson resigned from his post Monday, just as the e-mails he > wrote were released publicly. > > > > > > > > > > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday > " mistakes were made " regarding the firing of eight U.S. attorneys and > he accepts responsibility for the ordeal. > > > > > > > > Gonzales said the lawyers should have been told why they were being > fired and admitted the explanations initially given to Congress about > the matter were " incomplete. " > > > > > > > > " As we can all imagine, in an organization of 110,000 people, I am > not aware of every bit of information that passes through the halls of > justice, nor am I aware of all decisions, " he said at a Tuesday > afternoon news conference. > > > > > > > > " That is a sorry excuse, " Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said > minutes later on the Senate floor. > > > > > > > > Schumer said Gonzales should resign. > > > > > > > > " Did the attorney general not know that eight U.S. attorneys were to > be fired? " Schumer said. " If he didn't know, he shouldn't be attorney > general, plain and simple. ... The buck stops with the attorney general. " > > > > > > > > However, Gonzales said he was not stepping down. > > > > > > > > " I'm committed to doing my job -- and that is what I intend to do > here on behalf of the American people. " > > > > > > > > The Bush administration has said the firings -- seven in December > and one months earlier -- were routine personnel matters that were the > result of poor performance. > > > > > > > > However, Democrats accuse the administration of trying to dictate to > the prosecutors, who are supposed to be nonpartisan. Several of the > prosecutors who were fired have said they were being pressured to move > more quickly on investigations into voter fraud. > > > > > > > > Democrats are examining e-mails they say prove the White House was > far more involved in the firings than it has acknowledged. (Full story) > > > > > > > > The key e-mails are from the Gonzales' chief of staff, who resigned > amid growing criticism Monday, the Justice Department said Tuesday. > > > > > > > > An e-mail from D. Kyle Sampson to former White House counsel Harriet > Miers dated January 1, 2006, read, " You have asked whether President > Bush should remove and replace U.S. Attorneys whose four-year terms > have expired. I recommend that the Department of Justice and the > Office of the Counsel to the President work together to seek the > replacement of a limited number of U.S. Attorneys. " > > > > > > > > On September 13, 2006, Sampson e-mailed Miers lists of federal > attorneys " In the Process of Being Pushed Out " and those " We Now > Should Consider Pushing Out. " > > > > > > > > Sampson proposed using a provision of the anti-terrorism Patriot Act > to circumvent the standard appointment process. > > > > > > > > A provision added in 2006 allows the president to appoint interim > federal prosecutors who can serve indefinitely without Senate > confirmation. > > > > > > > > By skipping the Justice Department's normal personnel system, > Sampson told Miers, " we can give far less deference to home-state > senators and thereby get (1) our preferred person appointed and (2) do > it far faster and more efficiently, at less political cost to the > White House. " > > > > > > > > Schumer said the revelations " proved beyond any reasonable doubt > that there has been an unprecedented breach of trust, abuse of power > and misuse of the Justice Department. And that is very serious and > very important, " said Schumer, referring to the e-mails. > > > > > > > > Schumer also warned the White House against making Sampson " the next > fall guy. " > > > > > > > > " Today's staff resignation does not take heat off the attorney > general. In fact, it raises the temperature. Kyle Sampson will not > become the next Scooter Libby, " said the senator, referring to Vice > President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff who was convicted of > obstruction of justice and perjury last week in an investigation into > the exposure of a CIA agent. (Watch Schumer call for Gonzales to step > down Video) > > > > > > > > Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, said Gonzales " has exhibited a > lack of candor with Congress and disdain for the rule of law and our > constitutional system, " and called his resignation " long overdue. " > > > > > > > > Schumer and Kennedy are on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has > held hearings about the firings. > > > > > > > > White House spokesman Tony Snow confirmed it was Miers who came up > with an idea to remove all the federal prosecutors and bring in " fresh > blood " at the beginning of President Bush's second term. > > > > > > > > Snow said Miers' proposal was a suggestion, not a recommendation, to > fire all the federal prosecutors. Bush made " no recommendations on > specific individuals, " he said. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dear Vyas, The Japanese stock market fell 3% overnight in reaction to the US developments yesterday. Other Asian stock markets also tumbled. We'll see how it goes in coming days and weeks. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Hi Thor, > > The predictions are working out quite well and increases the confidence in > the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 points from the > lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline since Feb 27th. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > Dear list members, > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at 12075 > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a > significant development and in line with the predictions based on the > SAMVA USA chart. > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following > prediction in Message #12141: > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705 > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > SAMVA > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > ----------------- > 16. Conclusion and prediction > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks and > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2 > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE DJIA > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the time > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of the > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a > later stage. > ----------------- > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had its sharp > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the market > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off event > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a specific > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have repeatedly > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in the > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and especially > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of investor > concerns. > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that the SAMVA > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be expected > in the Spring months. > > Best wishes. > > Thor > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon trading and > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points below > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This is > > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further decline in > > asset prices. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market woes, > > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dear Sally, This adverse development certainly gives further support to the SAMVA USA chart. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote: > > Looks good Thor. > > Sally > > > On 3/13/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > > Dear list members, > > > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at 12075 > > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a > > significant development and in line with the predictions based on the > > SAMVA USA chart. > > > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following > > prediction in Message #12141: > > > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705 > > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of > > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, > > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most > > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February > > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the > > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > > SAMVA > > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > > > ----------------- > > 16. Conclusion and prediction > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It > > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks and > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2 > > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US > > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE DJIA > > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the time > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall > > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of the > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a > > later stage. > > ----------------- > > > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had its sharp > > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day > > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the market > > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off > > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again > > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off event > > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a specific > > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those > > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have repeatedly > > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in the > > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and especially > > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of investor > > concerns. > > > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that the SAMVA > > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more > > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be expected > > in the Spring months. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon trading and > > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points below > > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This is > > > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further decline in > > > asset prices. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market woes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sally Spencer, Jyotish Kovid > > A Gentle Journey to Deep Healing- > > Ascension work, Astrology > > Vedic (Hindu) and Western > > > > www.Devi3.byregion.net > > sally234 > > EnlightenedLiving/ > > > > Waves of Love > > Entering the Planet > > It's inevitable. It's contagious~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dear friends, Stock markets around the world, and again today, the US stock market, continue under a cloud of serious financial difficulty of many US mortgage lenders. So far today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has dropped around 95 points to under 12000, at 11980. The Dow is now at its lowest level in 2007. Best wishes, Thor U.S. Stocks Drop for Second Day; Dow, S & P 500 Fall to 2007 Low By Nick Baker March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks retreated, sending the Standard & Poor's 500 Index and Dow Jones Industrial Average to the lowest this year, after General Motors Corp. stoked concern that mortgage defaults will spread from the riskiest borrowers to Americans with better credit. GM, the world's largest automaker, dropped as subprime loan losses at its GMAC finance unit caused operating earnings to miss analysts' estimates. It sent the Dow average below 12,000 for the first time since October and spurred losses in shares of banks and other lenders. ``There is a potential here for the difficulties we're experiencing in housing -- particularly the mortgage market and specifically in the subprime mortgage market -- to create a significant contagion in the financial world,'' said Michael Vogelzang, who helps manage more than $2 billion as chief investment officer of Boston Advisors LLC in Boston. ``That's why we've seen financial stocks suffer the most in this recent downdraft.'' Stocks in Europe and Asia tumbled as concern deepened that rising U.S. home-loan delinquencies will curtail expansion in the world's biggest economy. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? pid=20601087 & sid=aXZ2o05KmVqc & refer=home SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear Vyas, > > The Japanese stock market fell 3% overnight in reaction to the US > developments yesterday. Other Asian stock markets also tumbled. We'll > see how it goes in coming days and weeks. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Hi Thor, > > > > The predictions are working out quite well and increases the > confidence in > > the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 points > from the > > lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline since Feb 27th. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > <SAMVA > > > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at 12075 > > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a > > significant development and in line with the predictions based on the > > SAMVA USA chart. > > > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following > > prediction in Message #12141: > > > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, 1705 > > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle of > > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, > > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most > > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February > > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the > > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > > SAMVA > > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > > > ----------------- > > 16. Conclusion and prediction > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits in > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the SAMVA > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction based > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA chart.' In > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with natal > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from conflict. It > > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks and > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn more > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal L2 > > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US > > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE DJIA > > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the time > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While it > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based on > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall > > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of the > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome at a > > later stage. > > ----------------- > > > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had its sharp > > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day > > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the market > > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off > > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again > > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off event > > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a specific > > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those > > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have repeatedly > > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in the > > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and especially > > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of investor > > concerns. > > > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that the SAMVA > > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more > > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be expected > > in the Spring months. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon trading and > > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points below > > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This is > > > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further decline in > > > asset prices. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market woes, > > > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > > > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > > > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dear list members, The stock market is very volatile today. A drop of 136 points has been erased in the afternoon session and the Dow is again in positive territory, at 12125 points. Such volatility is due to uncertainty. After dumping stocks, investors are quick to seize on new information that gives them the reason to believe the market has overreacted. However, as we have seen in recent days, such optimism can fade just as quickly again. As a result, the stock market is known to endlessly zig-zag, up, down and up again ad infinidum. It never moves in a straight line. However, as noted earlier, the SAMVA USA chart shows significant difficulty for the US in coming months. As a result, the trend of share prices is predicted to continue heading lower. Best wishes, Thor U.S. Stocks Advance as Energy, Computer Shares Fuel Rebound By Nick Baker March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks rose, erasing a 136- point tumble in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as energy shares climbed with the price of crude and computer-related companies rallied on the outlook for profit growth. SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Stock markets around the world, and again today, the US stock market, > continue under a cloud of serious financial difficulty of many US > mortgage lenders. So far today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has > dropped around 95 points to under 12000, at 11980. The Dow is now at > its lowest level in 2007. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > U.S. Stocks Drop for Second Day; Dow, S & P 500 Fall to 2007 Low > By Nick Baker > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks retreated, sending the Standard & > Poor's 500 Index and Dow Jones Industrial Average to the lowest this > year, after General Motors Corp. stoked concern that mortgage > defaults will spread from the riskiest borrowers to Americans with > better credit. > > GM, the world's largest automaker, dropped as subprime loan losses at > its GMAC finance unit caused operating earnings to miss analysts' > estimates. It sent the Dow average below 12,000 for the first time > since October and spurred losses in shares of banks and other > lenders. > > ``There is a potential here for the difficulties we're experiencing > in housing -- particularly the mortgage market and specifically in > the subprime mortgage market -- to create a significant contagion in > the financial world,'' said Michael Vogelzang, who helps manage more > than $2 billion as chief investment officer of Boston Advisors LLC in > Boston. ``That's why we've seen financial stocks suffer the most in > this recent downdraft.'' > > Stocks in Europe and Asia tumbled as concern deepened that rising > U.S. home-loan delinquencies will curtail expansion in the world's > biggest economy. > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? > pid=20601087 & sid=aXZ2o05KmVqc & refer=home > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > The Japanese stock market fell 3% overnight in reaction to the US > > developments yesterday. Other Asian stock markets also tumbled. > We'll > > see how it goes in coming days and weeks. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Thor, > > > > > > The predictions are working out quite well and increases the > > confidence in > > > the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 > points > > from the > > > lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline since > Feb 27th. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > > <SAMVA > > > > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM > > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at > 12075 > > > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a > > > significant development and in line with the predictions based on > the > > > SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following > > > prediction in Message #12141: > > > > > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, > 1705 > > > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during > middle of > > > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, > > > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > > > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > > > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > > > > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most > > > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > > > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February > > > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the > > > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > > > SAMVA > > > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > > > > > ----------------- > > > 16. Conclusion and prediction > > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the > > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits > in > > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the > SAMVA > > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction > based > > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA > chart.' In > > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 > > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with > natal > > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 > > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from > conflict. It > > > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks > and > > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn > more > > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal > L2 > > > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US > > > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions > > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE > DJIA > > > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the > time > > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While > it > > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based > on > > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a > > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall > > > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of > the > > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome > at a > > > later stage. > > > ----------------- > > > > > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had its > sharp > > > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day > > > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the > market > > > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off > > > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again > > > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off > event > > > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a > specific > > > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those > > > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have > repeatedly > > > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in > the > > > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and > especially > > > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of > investor > > > concerns. > > > > > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that the > SAMVA > > > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more > > > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be > expected > > > in the Spring months. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon > trading and > > > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points > below > > > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This > is > > > > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > > > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further > decline in > > > > asset prices. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market > woes, > > > > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > > > > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > > > > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dear Thor, has said that LO6 can give fluctuations. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:35 PM Re: U.S. Stocks Fall Dear list members, The stock market is very volatile today. A drop of 136 points has been erased in the afternoon session and the Dow is again in positive territory, at 12125 points. Such volatility is due to uncertainty. After dumping stocks, investors are quick to seize on new information that gives them the reason to believe the market has overreacted. However, as we have seen in recent days, such optimism can fade just as quickly again. As a result, the stock market is known to endlessly zig-zag, up, down and up again ad infinidum. It never moves in a straight line. However, as noted earlier, the SAMVA USA chart shows significant difficulty for the US in coming months. As a result, the trend of share prices is predicted to continue heading lower. Best wishes, Thor U.S. Stocks Advance as Energy, Computer Shares Fuel Rebound By Nick Baker March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks rose, erasing a 136- point tumble in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as energy shares climbed with the price of crude and computer-related companies rallied on the outlook for profit growth. SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Stock markets around the world, and again today, the US stock market, > continue under a cloud of serious financial difficulty of many US > mortgage lenders. So far today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has > dropped around 95 points to under 12000, at 11980. The Dow is now at > its lowest level in 2007. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > U.S. Stocks Drop for Second Day; Dow, S & P 500 Fall to 2007 Low > By Nick Baker > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks retreated, sending the Standard & > Poor's 500 Index and Dow Jones Industrial Average to the lowest this > year, after General Motors Corp. stoked concern that mortgage > defaults will spread from the riskiest borrowers to Americans with > better credit. > > GM, the world's largest automaker, dropped as subprime loan losses at > its GMAC finance unit caused operating earnings to miss analysts' > estimates. It sent the Dow average below 12,000 for the first time > since October and spurred losses in shares of banks and other > lenders. > > ``There is a potential here for the difficulties we're experiencing > in housing -- particularly the mortgage market and specifically in > the subprime mortgage market -- to create a significant contagion in > the financial world,'' said Michael Vogelzang, who helps manage more > than $2 billion as chief investment officer of Boston Advisors LLC in > Boston. ``That's why we've seen financial stocks suffer the most in > this recent downdraft.'' > > Stocks in Europe and Asia tumbled as concern deepened that rising > U.S. home-loan delinquencies will curtail expansion in the world's > biggest economy. > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? > pid=20601087 & sid=aXZ2o05KmVqc & refer=home > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > The Japanese stock market fell 3% overnight in reaction to the US > > developments yesterday. Other Asian stock markets also tumbled. > We'll > > see how it goes in coming days and weeks. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Thor, > > > > > > The predictions are working out quite well and increases the > > confidence in > > > the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 > points > > from the > > > lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline since > Feb 27th. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > > <SAMVA > > > > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM > > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at > 12075 > > > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a > > > significant development and in line with the predictions based on > the > > > SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following > > > prediction in Message #12141: > > > > > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, > 1705 > > > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during > middle of > > > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, > > > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > > > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > > > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > > > > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most > > > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > > > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February > > > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the > > > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > > > SAMVA > > > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > > > > > ----------------- > > > 16. Conclusion and prediction > > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the > > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits > in > > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the > SAMVA > > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction > based > > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA > chart.' In > > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 > > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with > natal > > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 > > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from > conflict. It > > > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks > and > > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn > more > > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal > L2 > > > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US > > > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions > > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE > DJIA > > > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the > time > > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While > it > > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based > on > > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a > > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall > > > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of > the > > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome > at a > > > later stage. > > > ----------------- > > > > > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had its > sharp > > > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day > > > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the > market > > > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off > > > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again > > > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off > event > > > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a > specific > > > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those > > > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have > repeatedly > > > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in > the > > > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and > especially > > > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of > investor > > > concerns. > > > > > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that the > SAMVA > > > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more > > > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be > expected > > > in the Spring months. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon > trading and > > > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points > below > > > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This > is > > > > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > > > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further > decline in > > > > asset prices. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market > woes, > > > > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > > > > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > > > > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Dear Vyas, Thanks. Yes, L6 gives volatility in the traditional sense (up or down, due to uncertainty linked to emergence of or reappraisal of risks. I think Rahu also can result in volatility - although the price movements may be more one sided (either up or down). The intra-day volatility in share prices has again risen in recent trading sessions, with share prices rising, then dropping and then again rising. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > has said that LO6 can give fluctuations. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:35 PM > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > Dear list members, > > The stock market is very volatile today. A drop of 136 points has been > erased in the afternoon session and the Dow is again in positive > territory, at 12125 points. Such volatility is due to uncertainty. > After dumping stocks, investors are quick to seize on new > information that gives them the reason to believe the market has > overreacted. However, as we have seen in recent days, such optimism > can fade just as quickly again. As a result, the stock market is known > to endlessly zig-zag, up, down and up again ad infinidum. It never > moves in a straight line. However, as noted earlier, the SAMVA USA > chart shows significant difficulty for the US in coming months. As a > result, the trend of share prices is predicted to continue heading lower. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > U.S. Stocks Advance as Energy, Computer Shares Fuel Rebound > By Nick Baker > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks rose, erasing a 136- point tumble > in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as energy shares climbed with the > price of crude and computer-related companies rallied on the outlook > for profit growth. > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Stock markets around the world, and again today, the US stock market, > > continue under a cloud of serious financial difficulty of many US > > mortgage lenders. So far today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has > > dropped around 95 points to under 12000, at 11980. The Dow is now at > > its lowest level in 2007. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > U.S. Stocks Drop for Second Day; Dow, S & P 500 Fall to 2007 Low > > By Nick Baker > > > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks retreated, sending the Standard & > > Poor's 500 Index and Dow Jones Industrial Average to the lowest this > > year, after General Motors Corp. stoked concern that mortgage > > defaults will spread from the riskiest borrowers to Americans with > > better credit. > > > > GM, the world's largest automaker, dropped as subprime loan losses at > > its GMAC finance unit caused operating earnings to miss analysts' > > estimates. It sent the Dow average below 12,000 for the first time > > since October and spurred losses in shares of banks and other > > lenders. > > > > ``There is a potential here for the difficulties we're experiencing > > in housing -- particularly the mortgage market and specifically in > > the subprime mortgage market -- to create a significant contagion in > > the financial world,'' said Michael Vogelzang, who helps manage more > > than $2 billion as chief investment officer of Boston Advisors LLC in > > Boston. ``That's why we've seen financial stocks suffer the most in > > this recent downdraft.'' > > > > Stocks in Europe and Asia tumbled as concern deepened that rising > > U.S. home-loan delinquencies will curtail expansion in the world's > > biggest economy. > > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? > > pid=20601087 & sid=aXZ2o05KmVqc & refer=home > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > > > The Japanese stock market fell 3% overnight in reaction to the US > > > developments yesterday. Other Asian stock markets also tumbled. > > We'll > > > see how it goes in coming days and weeks. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Thor, > > > > > > > > The predictions are working out quite well and increases the > > > confidence in > > > > the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 > > points > > > from the > > > > lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline since > > Feb 27th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > > > <SAMVA > > > > > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM > > > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > > > > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at > > 12075 > > > > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a > > > > significant development and in line with the predictions based on > > the > > > > SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following > > > > prediction in Message #12141: > > > > > > > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, > > 1705 > > > > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during > > middle of > > > > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, > > > > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > > > > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > > > > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > > > > > > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most > > > > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > > > > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February > > > > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the > > > > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > > > > SAMVA > > > > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > 16. Conclusion and prediction > > > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the > > > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits > > in > > > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the > > SAMVA > > > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction > > based > > > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA > > chart.' In > > > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 > > > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with > > natal > > > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 > > > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from > > conflict. It > > > > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks > > and > > > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn > > more > > > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal > > L2 > > > > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US > > > > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > > > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions > > > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE > > DJIA > > > > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the > > time > > > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While > > it > > > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based > > on > > > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a > > > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall > > > > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of > > the > > > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome > > at a > > > > later stage. > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had its > > sharp > > > > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day > > > > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the > > market > > > > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off > > > > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again > > > > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off > > event > > > > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a > > specific > > > > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those > > > > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have > > repeatedly > > > > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in > > the > > > > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and > > especially > > > > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of > > investor > > > > concerns. > > > > > > > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that the > > SAMVA > > > > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more > > > > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be > > expected > > > > in the Spring months. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon > > trading and > > > > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > > > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points > > below > > > > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This > > is > > > > > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > > > > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > > > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further > > decline in > > > > > asset prices. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > > > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market > > woes, > > > > > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > > > > > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > > > > > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Dear Thor, The bounce yesterday was also due to technical buying at the key 38.2% Fibonacci level, 11990, that was mentioned weeks ago. Regardless of the gross or subtle mechanism, the effect is the same. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:15 AM Re: U.S. Stocks Fall Dear Vyas, Thanks. Yes, L6 gives volatility in the traditional sense (up or down, due to uncertainty linked to emergence of or reappraisal of risks. I think Rahu also can result in volatility - although the price movements may be more one sided (either up or down). The intra-day volatility in share prices has again risen in recent trading sessions, with share prices rising, then dropping and then again rising. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > has said that LO6 can give fluctuations. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:35 PM > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > Dear list members, > > The stock market is very volatile today. A drop of 136 points has been > erased in the afternoon session and the Dow is again in positive > territory, at 12125 points. Such volatility is due to uncertainty. > After dumping stocks, investors are quick to seize on new > information that gives them the reason to believe the market has > overreacted. However, as we have seen in recent days, such optimism > can fade just as quickly again. As a result, the stock market is known > to endlessly zig-zag, up, down and up again ad infinidum. It never > moves in a straight line. However, as noted earlier, the SAMVA USA > chart shows significant difficulty for the US in coming months. As a > result, the trend of share prices is predicted to continue heading lower. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > U.S. Stocks Advance as Energy, Computer Shares Fuel Rebound > By Nick Baker > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks rose, erasing a 136- point tumble > in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as energy shares climbed with the > price of crude and computer-related companies rallied on the outlook > for profit growth. > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Stock markets around the world, and again today, the US stock market, > > continue under a cloud of serious financial difficulty of many US > > mortgage lenders. So far today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has > > dropped around 95 points to under 12000, at 11980. The Dow is now at > > its lowest level in 2007. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > U.S. Stocks Drop for Second Day; Dow, S & P 500 Fall to 2007 Low > > By Nick Baker > > > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks retreated, sending the Standard & > > Poor's 500 Index and Dow Jones Industrial Average to the lowest this > > year, after General Motors Corp. stoked concern that mortgage > > defaults will spread from the riskiest borrowers to Americans with > > better credit. > > > > GM, the world's largest automaker, dropped as subprime loan losses at > > its GMAC finance unit caused operating earnings to miss analysts' > > estimates. It sent the Dow average below 12,000 for the first time > > since October and spurred losses in shares of banks and other > > lenders. > > > > ``There is a potential here for the difficulties we're experiencing > > in housing -- particularly the mortgage market and specifically in > > the subprime mortgage market -- to create a significant contagion in > > the financial world,'' said Michael Vogelzang, who helps manage more > > than $2 billion as chief investment officer of Boston Advisors LLC in > > Boston. ``That's why we've seen financial stocks suffer the most in > > this recent downdraft.'' > > > > Stocks in Europe and Asia tumbled as concern deepened that rising > > U.S. home-loan delinquencies will curtail expansion in the world's > > biggest economy. > > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? > > pid=20601087 & sid=aXZ2o05KmVqc & refer=home > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > > > The Japanese stock market fell 3% overnight in reaction to the US > > > developments yesterday. Other Asian stock markets also tumbled. > > We'll > > > see how it goes in coming days and weeks. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Thor, > > > > > > > > The predictions are working out quite well and increases the > > > confidence in > > > > the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 > > points > > > from the > > > > lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline since > > Feb 27th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > > > <SAMVA > > > > > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM > > > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > > > > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands at > > 12075 > > > > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This is a > > > > significant development and in line with the predictions based on > > the > > > > SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the following > > > > prediction in Message #12141: > > > > > > > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781, > > 1705 > > > > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during > > middle of > > > > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of controversies, > > > > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > > > > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > > > > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > > > > > > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. Most > > > > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > > > > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 February > > > > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in the > > > > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > > > > SAMVA > > > > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > 16. Conclusion and prediction > > > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of the > > > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and transits > > in > > > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of `the > > SAMVA > > > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a prediction > > based > > > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA > > chart.' In > > > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. Transit L6 > > > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction with > > natal > > > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting transit L8 > > > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from > > conflict. It > > > > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the weeks > > and > > > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors turn > > more > > > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting natal > > L2 > > > > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE US > > > > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > > > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary afflictions > > > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS THE > > DJIA > > > > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at the > > time > > > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). While > > it > > > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, based > > on > > > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine a > > > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would fall > > > > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the gains of > > the > > > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be overcome > > at a > > > > later stage. > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had its > > sharp > > > > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that day > > > > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the > > market > > > > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one off > > > > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has again > > > > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off > > event > > > > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a > > specific > > > > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, those > > > > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have > > repeatedly > > > > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing in > > the > > > > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and > > especially > > > > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of > > investor > > > > concerns. > > > > > > > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that the > > SAMVA > > > > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become more > > > > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be > > expected > > > > in the Spring months. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon > > trading and > > > > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > > > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 points > > below > > > > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. This > > is > > > > > considered bad news by most market commentators and concerns are > > > > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > > > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further > > decline in > > > > > asset prices. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > > > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime market > > woes, > > > > > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > > > > > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > > > > > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Dear Vyas and list members, The contribution of Alan Greenspan to the current situation is quite interesting. Although he is no longer the head of the Fed (the US central bank) he is still very influential. One way to continue to get the attention is to just describe the situation as he sees it. While government officials are all trying to calm the market, Greenspan can affort to just air all the dirty laundry he sees fit. His statements about the probability of a recession were considered influential on February 27 when the market took a dive. Today, he has said that the problems in the sub-prime mortgage market will likely spread. This is not likely to be having an effect to reassure market participants. Quite the contrary, like his earlier comments, it could add to their concerns. One implication is that investors may see the US economy as being weaker than they earlier thought. Then they would expect interest rates to come down sooner than earlier thought. One effect of that would be a weaker dollar going forward. This could explain why some of the enormous amount of money borrowed at low interest rates in Japan in recent years has been headed back thereby strengthening the Yen at the same time as western markets and currencies lose value. At the same time, there are other indications that inflation pressures in the US economy are stubbornly persistent. This would be making the job of the Fed more difficult, by suggesting they should keep them high until the pressure abate. However, in doing so they make it more difficult for the mortgage lenders. This is also seen as undermining earnings of corporations in general going forward and hence undermining the still lofty share prices. In sum, risk awareness of stock market participant seems to have increased significantly in recent weeks. This is keeping the market on its toes. All that is now needed for some real pandemonium is for some bad news to pop up sending the market much lower. Such an outcome is suggested by the transit dynamics in the SAMVA USA chart. We'll soon see. Best wishes, Thor Greenspan Says He Expects Subprime-Mortgage Fallout to Spread By Steve Matthews and Scott Lanman March 15 (Bloomberg) -- Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said he expects the fallout from subprime-mortgage defaults to spread to the broader economy, especially if home prices decline. ``If prices go down, we will have problems -- problems in the sense of spillover to other areas,'' Greenspan said in remarks to the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton, Florida today. While he hasn't seen such spreading yet, ``I expect to.'' Subprime borrowers, or those with poor or limited credit histories, are increasingly defaulting after looser lending standards allowed them to take on more debt than they could afford. Last month, Greenspan told an audience in Toronto that ``disarray'' in the subprime mortgage market isn't likely to create greater financial instability in the rest of the economy. ``It is not a small issue,'' Greenspan said today. ``If we could wave a wand and prices go up 10 percent, the subprime mortgage problem would disappear.'' Greenspan, who was Fed chairman for almost two decades until Ben S. Bernanke took over 13 months ago, said at least three times in the past month that a recession is possible this year. He didn't say one was likely. Bernanke said March 2 that the central bank sees no ``spillover'' from rising delinquencies in subprime mortgages. ``We're obviously going to watch it very carefully,'' he added. Earlier this month, Greenspan said in an interview that there's a ``one-third probability'' of a 2007 recession. By contrast, Bernanke told lawmakers Feb. 28 he expects the growth to accelerate. The Fed forecasts the economy will grow between 2.5 percent and 3 percent this year. Return to Forecasting Greenspan's speeches mark a return to economic forecasting, a role he enjoyed before entering government service during the administration of President Gerald R. Ford in 1974. Since retiring in January 2006, Greenspan, 81, has been working on a book, ``The Age of Turbulence,'' scheduled for publication in September, and speaking to companies and business groups. The former Fed chief said two days ago at a conference in Washington led by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson that regulators should refrain from attempting to limit leverage and risk-taking in the financial system. He said policy makers should focus on ``operational risk'' and rooting out fraud. On March 7, Greenspan told a technology conference in New York that the U.S. housing market may have reached a bottom, Reuters reported, repeating an observation he made in Canada last month. At that conference, he also said that the so-called carry trade, where investors borrow at low interest rates in countries such as Japan and buy higher-yielding assets elsewhere, will end, Reuters said. To contact the reporters on this story: Steve Matthews in Bo SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > The bounce yesterday was also due to technical buying at the key 38.2% > Fibonacci level, 11990, that was mentioned weeks ago. Regardless of the > gross or subtle mechanism, the effect is the same. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:15 AM > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks. Yes, L6 gives volatility in the traditional sense (up or > down, due to uncertainty linked to emergence of or reappraisal of > risks. > > I think Rahu also can result in volatility - although the price > movements may be more one sided (either up or down). > > The intra-day volatility in share prices has again risen in recent > trading sessions, with share prices rising, then dropping and then > again rising. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > has said that LO6 can give fluctuations. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > <SAMVA > > > Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:35 PM > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > The stock market is very volatile today. A drop of 136 points has > been > > erased in the afternoon session and the Dow is again in positive > > territory, at 12125 points. Such volatility is due to uncertainty. > > After dumping stocks, investors are quick to seize on new > > information that gives them the reason to believe the market has > > overreacted. However, as we have seen in recent days, such optimism > > can fade just as quickly again. As a result, the stock market is > known > > to endlessly zig-zag, up, down and up again ad infinidum. It never > > moves in a straight line. However, as noted earlier, the SAMVA USA > > chart shows significant difficulty for the US in coming months. As a > > result, the trend of share prices is predicted to continue heading > lower. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > U.S. Stocks Advance as Energy, Computer Shares Fuel Rebound > > By Nick Baker > > > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks rose, erasing a 136- point > tumble > > in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as energy shares climbed with > the > > price of crude and computer-related companies rallied on the outlook > > for profit growth. > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > Stock markets around the world, and again today, the US stock > market, > > > continue under a cloud of serious financial difficulty of many US > > > mortgage lenders. So far today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average > has > > > dropped around 95 points to under 12000, at 11980. The Dow is now > at > > > its lowest level in 2007. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > U.S. Stocks Drop for Second Day; Dow, S & P 500 Fall to 2007 Low > > > By Nick Baker > > > > > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks retreated, sending the > Standard & > > > Poor's 500 Index and Dow Jones Industrial Average to the lowest > this > > > year, after General Motors Corp. stoked concern that mortgage > > > defaults will spread from the riskiest borrowers to Americans > with > > > better credit. > > > > > > GM, the world's largest automaker, dropped as subprime loan > losses at > > > its GMAC finance unit caused operating earnings to miss analysts' > > > estimates. It sent the Dow average below 12,000 for the first > time > > > since October and spurred losses in shares of banks and other > > > lenders. > > > > > > ``There is a potential here for the difficulties we're > experiencing > > > in housing -- particularly the mortgage market and specifically > in > > > the subprime mortgage market -- to create a significant contagion > in > > > the financial world,'' said Michael Vogelzang, who helps manage > more > > > than $2 billion as chief investment officer of Boston Advisors > LLC in > > > Boston. ``That's why we've seen financial stocks suffer the most > in > > > this recent downdraft.'' > > > > > > Stocks in Europe and Asia tumbled as concern deepened that rising > > > U.S. home-loan delinquencies will curtail expansion in the > world's > > > biggest economy. > > > > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? > > > pid=20601087 & sid=aXZ2o05KmVqc & refer=home > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > The Japanese stock market fell 3% overnight in reaction to the > US > > > > developments yesterday. Other Asian stock markets also tumbled. > > > We'll > > > > see how it goes in coming days and weeks. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Thor, > > > > > > > > > > The predictions are working out quite well and increases the > > > > confidence in > > > > > the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 > > > points > > > > from the > > > > > lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline > since > > > Feb 27th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > > > > <SAMVA > > > > > > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM > > > > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands > at > > > 12075 > > > > > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This > is a > > > > > significant development and in line with the predictions > based on > > > the > > > > > SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the > following > > > > > prediction in Message #12141: > > > > > > > > > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, > 1781, > > > 1705 > > > > > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during > > > middle of > > > > > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of > controversies, > > > > > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > > > > > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > > > > > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > > > > > > > > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. > Most > > > > > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > > > > > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 > February > > > > > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in > the > > > > > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > 16. Conclusion and prediction > > > > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of > the > > > > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and > transits > > > in > > > > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of > `the > > > SAMVA > > > > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a > prediction > > > based > > > > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA > > > chart.' In > > > > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. > Transit L6 > > > > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction > with > > > natal > > > > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting > transit L8 > > > > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from > > > conflict. It > > > > > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the > weeks > > > and > > > > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors > turn > > > more > > > > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting > natal > > > L2 > > > > > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND > THE US > > > > > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > > > > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary > afflictions > > > > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS > THE > > > DJIA > > > > > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at > the > > > time > > > > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). > While > > > it > > > > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, > based > > > on > > > > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine > a > > > > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would > fall > > > > > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the > gains of > > > the > > > > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be > overcome > > > at a > > > > > later stage. > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > > > > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had > its > > > sharp > > > > > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that > day > > > > > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the > > > market > > > > > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one > off > > > > > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has > again > > > > > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off > > > event > > > > > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a > > > specific > > > > > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, > those > > > > > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have > > > repeatedly > > > > > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing > in > > > the > > > > > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and > > > especially > > > > > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of > > > investor > > > > > concerns. > > > > > > > > > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that > the > > > SAMVA > > > > > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become > more > > > > > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be > > > expected > > > > > in the Spring months. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon > > > trading and > > > > > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > > > > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 > points > > > below > > > > > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. > This > > > is > > > > > > considered bad news by most market commentators and > concerns are > > > > > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > > > > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further > > > decline in > > > > > > asset prices. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > > > > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime > market > > > woes, > > > > > > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > > > > > > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > > > > > > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Dear Thor, Agreed, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place on the economic policy. From a revealing speech by Volker, (the man who preceeded Greenspan for those who aren't familiar), http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38725-2005Apr8.html The next US gov't will be left with a huge, unpopular mess to clean up. Noteable Ve/Sa will be running for most of the time Jan 2009-Jan 2012. LO8 Saturn will transit through H2 to H4 in the duration of the next term. Sa-Su are close in the natal. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:45 PM Re: U.S. Stocks Fall Dear Vyas and list members, The contribution of Alan Greenspan to the current situation is quite interesting. Although he is no longer the head of the Fed (the US central bank) he is still very influential. One way to continue to get the attention is to just describe the situation as he sees it. While government officials are all trying to calm the market, Greenspan can affort to just air all the dirty laundry he sees fit. His statements about the probability of a recession were considered influential on February 27 when the market took a dive. Today, he has said that the problems in the sub-prime mortgage market will likely spread. This is not likely to be having an effect to reassure market participants. Quite the contrary, like his earlier comments, it could add to their concerns. One implication is that investors may see the US economy as being weaker than they earlier thought. Then they would expect interest rates to come down sooner than earlier thought. One effect of that would be a weaker dollar going forward. This could explain why some of the enormous amount of money borrowed at low interest rates in Japan in recent years has been headed back thereby strengthening the Yen at the same time as western markets and currencies lose value. At the same time, there are other indications that inflation pressures in the US economy are stubbornly persistent. This would be making the job of the Fed more difficult, by suggesting they should keep them high until the pressure abate. However, in doing so they make it more difficult for the mortgage lenders. This is also seen as undermining earnings of corporations in general going forward and hence undermining the still lofty share prices. In sum, risk awareness of stock market participant seems to have increased significantly in recent weeks. This is keeping the market on its toes. All that is now needed for some real pandemonium is for some bad news to pop up sending the market much lower. Such an outcome is suggested by the transit dynamics in the SAMVA USA chart. We'll soon see. Best wishes, Thor Greenspan Says He Expects Subprime-Mortgage Fallout to Spread By Steve Matthews and Scott Lanman March 15 (Bloomberg) -- Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said he expects the fallout from subprime-mortgage defaults to spread to the broader economy, especially if home prices decline. ``If prices go down, we will have problems -- problems in the sense of spillover to other areas,'' Greenspan said in remarks to the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton, Florida today. While he hasn't seen such spreading yet, ``I expect to.'' Subprime borrowers, or those with poor or limited credit histories, are increasingly defaulting after looser lending standards allowed them to take on more debt than they could afford. Last month, Greenspan told an audience in Toronto that ``disarray'' in the subprime mortgage market isn't likely to create greater financial instability in the rest of the economy. ``It is not a small issue,'' Greenspan said today. ``If we could wave a wand and prices go up 10 percent, the subprime mortgage problem would disappear.'' Greenspan, who was Fed chairman for almost two decades until Ben S. Bernanke took over 13 months ago, said at least three times in the past month that a recession is possible this year. He didn't say one was likely. Bernanke said March 2 that the central bank sees no ``spillover'' from rising delinquencies in subprime mortgages. ``We're obviously going to watch it very carefully,'' he added. Earlier this month, Greenspan said in an interview that there's a ``one-third probability'' of a 2007 recession. By contrast, Bernanke told lawmakers Feb. 28 he expects the growth to accelerate. The Fed forecasts the economy will grow between 2.5 percent and 3 percent this year. Return to Forecasting Greenspan's speeches mark a return to economic forecasting, a role he enjoyed before entering government service during the administration of President Gerald R. Ford in 1974. Since retiring in January 2006, Greenspan, 81, has been working on a book, ``The Age of Turbulence,'' scheduled for publication in September, and speaking to companies and business groups. The former Fed chief said two days ago at a conference in Washington led by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson that regulators should refrain from attempting to limit leverage and risk-taking in the financial system. He said policy makers should focus on ``operational risk'' and rooting out fraud. On March 7, Greenspan told a technology conference in New York that the U.S. housing market may have reached a bottom, Reuters reported, repeating an observation he made in Canada last month. At that conference, he also said that the so-called carry trade, where investors borrow at low interest rates in countries such as Japan and buy higher-yielding assets elsewhere, will end, Reuters said. To contact the reporters on this story: Steve Matthews in Bo SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > The bounce yesterday was also due to technical buying at the key 38.2% > Fibonacci level, 11990, that was mentioned weeks ago. Regardless of the > gross or subtle mechanism, the effect is the same. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:15 AM > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks. Yes, L6 gives volatility in the traditional sense (up or > down, due to uncertainty linked to emergence of or reappraisal of > risks. > > I think Rahu also can result in volatility - although the price > movements may be more one sided (either up or down). > > The intra-day volatility in share prices has again risen in recent > trading sessions, with share prices rising, then dropping and then > again rising. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > has said that LO6 can give fluctuations. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > <SAMVA > > > Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:35 PM > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > The stock market is very volatile today. A drop of 136 points has > been > > erased in the afternoon session and the Dow is again in positive > > territory, at 12125 points. Such volatility is due to uncertainty. > > After dumping stocks, investors are quick to seize on new > > information that gives them the reason to believe the market has > > overreacted. However, as we have seen in recent days, such optimism > > can fade just as quickly again. As a result, the stock market is > known > > to endlessly zig-zag, up, down and up again ad infinidum. It never > > moves in a straight line. However, as noted earlier, the SAMVA USA > > chart shows significant difficulty for the US in coming months. As a > > result, the trend of share prices is predicted to continue heading > lower. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > U.S. Stocks Advance as Energy, Computer Shares Fuel Rebound > > By Nick Baker > > > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks rose, erasing a 136- point > tumble > > in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as energy shares climbed with > the > > price of crude and computer-related companies rallied on the outlook > > for profit growth. > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > Stock markets around the world, and again today, the US stock > market, > > > continue under a cloud of serious financial difficulty of many US > > > mortgage lenders. So far today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average > has > > > dropped around 95 points to under 12000, at 11980. The Dow is now > at > > > its lowest level in 2007. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > U.S. Stocks Drop for Second Day; Dow, S & P 500 Fall to 2007 Low > > > By Nick Baker > > > > > > March 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks retreated, sending the > Standard & > > > Poor's 500 Index and Dow Jones Industrial Average to the lowest > this > > > year, after General Motors Corp. stoked concern that mortgage > > > defaults will spread from the riskiest borrowers to Americans > with > > > better credit. > > > > > > GM, the world's largest automaker, dropped as subprime loan > losses at > > > its GMAC finance unit caused operating earnings to miss analysts' > > > estimates. It sent the Dow average below 12,000 for the first > time > > > since October and spurred losses in shares of banks and other > > > lenders. > > > > > > ``There is a potential here for the difficulties we're > experiencing > > > in housing -- particularly the mortgage market and specifically > in > > > the subprime mortgage market -- to create a significant contagion > in > > > the financial world,'' said Michael Vogelzang, who helps manage > more > > > than $2 billion as chief investment officer of Boston Advisors > LLC in > > > Boston. ``That's why we've seen financial stocks suffer the most > in > > > this recent downdraft.'' > > > > > > Stocks in Europe and Asia tumbled as concern deepened that rising > > > U.S. home-loan delinquencies will curtail expansion in the > world's > > > biggest economy. > > > > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? > > > pid=20601087 & sid=aXZ2o05KmVqc & refer=home > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > The Japanese stock market fell 3% overnight in reaction to the > US > > > > developments yesterday. Other Asian stock markets also tumbled. > > > We'll > > > > see how it goes in coming days and weeks. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Thor, > > > > > > > > > > The predictions are working out quite well and increases the > > > > confidence in > > > > > the chart. The persistent direction is down. DJIA is just 20 > > > points > > > > from the > > > > > lows of this year; the day is the second largest decline > since > > > Feb 27th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > > > > <SAMVA > > > > > > Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:00 PM > > > > > Re: U.S. Stocks Fall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > The market closed down 243 points or 2%. The Dow now stands > at > > > 12075 > > > > > and has declined by 711 points from the peak, or 5,6%. This > is a > > > > > significant development and in line with the predictions > based on > > > the > > > > > SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am, made the > following > > > > > prediction in Message #12141: > > > > > > > > > > " In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, > 1781, > > > 1705 > > > > > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during > > > middle of > > > > > March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of > controversies, > > > > > emotional involvement of the people in controvercial issues, > > > > > FINANCIAL/MARKET SETBACKS, fatal/serious accidents, weather > > > > > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc. " > > > > > > > > > > I have also made a number of predictions based on this chart. > Most > > > > > recently in the paper: " Major Corrections on Wall Street - an > > > > > astrological analysis " which was uploaded on SAMVA on 11 > February > > > > > 2007. This paper may be ssen in the SAMVA USA chart folder in > the > > > > > Files section of the SAMVA web page: > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > On page 24 of the paper the following prediction is made: > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > 16. Conclusion and prediction > > > > > Past historical events have been analyzed with SA in terms of > the > > > > > promise of the natal chart and the impact of periods and > transits > > > in > > > > > the chart. These tests offer a consistent confirmation of > `the > > > SAMVA > > > > > USA chart.' The acid test of any chart is to make a > prediction > > > based > > > > > on it. A prediction is made on the basis of `the SAMVA USA > > > chart.' In > > > > > early 2007, the Venus-Jupiter period will be operating. > Transit L6 > > > > > Jupiter will be afflicting and afflicted by its conjunction > with > > > natal > > > > > L8 Saturn in H5. At the same time, it will be aspecting > transit L8 > > > > > Saturn in H1. This will bring obstacles and endings from > > > conflict. It > > > > > may also signal A TIGHTENING OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS in the > weeks > > > and > > > > > months ahead, which would make the expectation of investors > turn > > > more > > > > > pessimistic. Transit L8 Saturn will be stationary aspecting > natal > > > L2 > > > > > Sun, suggesting a SETBACK FOR THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND > THE US > > > > > PRESIDENCY. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CORRECTION IS HIGH due to the > > > > > combination of the Jupiter sub-period and stationary > afflictions > > > > > involving transit L6 Jupiter. AS A RESULT, IN COMING MONTHS > THE > > > DJIA > > > > > IS PREDICTED TO DECLINE FROM THE PRESENT ELEVATED LEVELS (at > the > > > time > > > > > of this writing, Feb. 10, 2007, the DJIA is around 12.600). > While > > > it > > > > > is hard to predict such things with any degree of accuracy, > based > > > on > > > > > the analysis presented above, it is not impossible to imagine > a > > > > > decline of the order of 15% and 25%, such that the DJIA would > fall > > > > > BACK INTO THE 9.500-10.700 RANGE; thereby wiping out the > gains of > > > the > > > > > past two years. Such a setback would be expected to be > overcome > > > at a > > > > > later stage. > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > > > > > These predictions were made well before the stock market had > its > > > sharp > > > > > decline on Feb. 27. The speed and size of the pullback that > day > > > > > surprised analysts and investors alike. In ensuing days, the > > > market > > > > > stabilised and the analysts discounted this decline as a one > off > > > > > event, associated with China. However, today, the market has > again > > > > > become unnerved as predicted. This shows it was not a one-off > > > event > > > > > and it the tremors in the market are not associated with a > > > specific > > > > > setback but reflecting more deep seated problems. Moreover, > those > > > > > following all the posts on SAMVA would know that we have > > > repeatedly > > > > > discussed the afflictions to the indications for the housing > in > > > the > > > > > SAMVA USA chart. Indeed, it has emerged in recent days, and > > > especially > > > > > today, that the mortgage financing sector is at the center of > > > investor > > > > > concerns. > > > > > > > > > > This events should boost the confidence of list members that > the > > > SAMVA > > > > > USA chart is authentic. However, as the transits will become > more > > > > > difficult still, further declines in share prices are to be > > > expected > > > > > in the Spring months. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > The fall on the stock market has accelerated in afternoon > > > trading and > > > > > > the Dow is now down 203 points, or close to 1.7% which is > > > > > > considerable. The Dow now stands at around 12115, or 670 > points > > > below > > > > > > its all time high of 12786 reached on February 20, 2007. > This > > > is > > > > > > considered bad news by most market commentators and > concerns are > > > > > > growing that a " CREDIT CRUNCH " may be in the making due to > > > > > > problems in the mortgage financing industry and a further > > > decline in > > > > > > asset prices. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > Stocks get slammed again > > > > > > Dow sinks over 200 points in afternoon trade on subprime > market > > > woes, > > > > > > disappointing retail sales, dollar decline. > > > > > > By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer > > > > > > March 13 2007: 2:17 PM EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Dear list members, Stocks are down in early trading, from 100 to 135 points, or around 1.0%. The reasons cited are many, as the included news story details. One one hand, such a decisive move to the downside is not good news for the markets and reflects the overall difficulties, the uncertainty regarding economic policy and related concerns by the market participants. On the other hand, the developments are in line with predictions based on the SAMVA USA chart about setbacks in financial markets at this time. Best wishes, Thor Stocks fall on oil, economic woes Major gauges under pressure in the early going as energy prices spike, durable goods orders report disappoints. March 28 2007: 9:57 AM EDT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Surging oil prices and a weaker-than- expected read on durable goods orders sent stocks lower early Wednesday. The Dow Jones industrial average (down 59.12 to 12,338.17, Charts), the broader S & P 500 (down 6.67 to 1,421.94, Charts) index and the Nasdaq (down 11.37 to 2,426.06, Charts) composite all lost around 0.5 percent in the early going. Corn: the inflation crop Stocks slipped Tuesday after a weak profit report from Lennar (Charts) revived worries about the housing sectors and a big drop in consumer confidence fed concerns about the broader economy. Concerns about the economy were again in play Wednesday. February durable goods orders rose 2.5 percent versus a 9.3 percent decline in January, missing expectations. (Full story). Investors also eyed oil prices, which spiked 2.5 percent to $64.44 a barrel in electronic trading on ongoing reports and rumors about the conflict with Iran, the No. 4 oil exporter. Prices briefly jumped 8 percent in overnight electronic trading on Iran worries, before backing off. Also in focus Wednesday: the latest from Ben Bernanke. The Federal Reserve chairman is due to testify before the Joint Economic Committee on the U.S. economic outlook, starting shortly. Treasury prices crept higher, lowering the yield on the 10-year note to about 4.58 percent from 4.61 percent late Tuesday. Bond prices and yields move in opposite directions. In currency trading, the dollar was little changed versus the euro and weaker versus the yen. SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > Agreed, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place on the economic > policy. > > From a revealing speech by Volker, (the man who preceeded Greenspan for > those who aren't familiar), > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38725-2005Apr8.html > > The next US gov't will be left with a huge, unpopular mess to clean up. > Noteable Ve/Sa will be running for most of the time Jan 2009-Jan 2012. LO8 > Saturn will transit through H2 to H4 in the duration of the next term. Sa-Su > are close in the natal. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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