Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Dear Thor, You've covered days when the DJIA have fallen through. I am interested to know your thoughts on the rise since the 14th March covering over 80% percent of the losses since the fall from the 27th Feb that began with the Asian markets. (From the all-time high on the 20th of Feb, the pull-back is over 60%). Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Dear Vyas, With regard to the evolution of share prices over time, it seems every situation is unique. For instance, there are cases when stocks entered into a modest decline initially but then quickly recovered most of the losses only to enter into a much bigger decline shortly there afterwards. If you look at the developments in the summer of 1974 this was the case before the drop in August of that year. A similar picture emerges in 1998 but less pronounced. An underlying point in my paper " Major Corrections on Wall Street " is the inherent tendency of the US stock market to rise over the past few hundred years. Every shock the stock market has endured has been recovered at some stage. So far in 2007, the stock market has not endured a real shock, only increasing nervousness and risk awareness. Now the Fed has tried to clam the market and it has again become more bullish. The real test of the SAMVA USA chart is some development in coming weeks that disturbs investor sentiments to the extent that share prices decline further. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > You've covered days when the DJIA have fallen through. I am interested to > know your thoughts on the rise since the 14th March covering over 80% > percent of the losses since the fall from the 27th Feb that began with the > Asian markets. (From the all-time high on the 20th of Feb, the pull-back is > over 60%). > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Dear Thor and List, It's difficult to see the good events from the chart when the focus is only on the negative elements. The 21 Cn chart is good; there are adequate reasons for the pullback in the stock market, a positive occurence reflecting good sentiment. If we consider that the 6L and Ra gives fluctuations, it is difficult to gauge a prediction. If wrong, we can fall back on the fluctuation theory. However, with studying the weakening or strengthening factors in the chart, the proper view can be reckoned by good old, simple SA. (THIS IS TAKEN FROM A AN EARLIER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOR AND MYSELF; IT HAS BEEN EDITED SLIGHTLY) On the DJIA, I had commented about Mars in a previous (private) email. Mars is connected to the 5H. It's aspect to the 7H/1/2 MEP in transit and lord Sa of easy gains are strong reasons I believe. The natal potential is quite good and as you know, Mars rules enormous wealth. The LO2 status, the Sun transited into H9 on the 14/15. LO4, happiness and contentment, Ve transited into 10H Aries around then, with its lord aspecting its MTH MEP. Me started to move, and to a better degree around that date as well. So these are helpful in increasing the sentiment in the SM. On the DJIA, watch for Su and Ve around their house MEPs for additional help. As Ma moves to H8, it's not so good as Ve is in Aries. However, when approaching the MEP, it will be helpful too as it will aspect H11, 2 and 3 (Vi, MTH of Me, general significator of markets). I think buoyancy or sharp rebound, is the name of the game even if we take a run downwards to challenge or break the lows. As you have pointed out, the US stock market's bias is upwards when you zoom out to the proper time perspective. This is the underlying trend and is always present. Natally Mars and Moon are within 3 degrees of opposition in the 2 houses that rule speculation. (THIS IS TAKEN FROM ANOTHER EARLIER COMMUNICATION TO THOR WITH EDITS; IT IS MY CLARIFYING THE MARS-SATURN ASPECT) Re: Ma-Sa transit aspect in the Cn chart. The functional nature, and particular and general significations of each planet must be considered. In summary: 1) They came within 1 degree yesterday; with MMP, it's 2 degrees, but... 2) Natal Mars is strong to weather problems by affliction especially when moving at normal to fast speed, in a good house. 3) MMP Sa is problematic to Mars; **BUT** the positive aspects of the general and particular significations of Sa will be promoted to some extent in the affliction to a FB planet, in mutual aspect or conjunction unless that FM is dependent on the FB natally. To the MEP it's different as the FM afflicts itself. 4) na Sa is located in H5 connecting increased strength/weakness in transit with the 5H. 5) Mars-na Su has been very helpful. On the 14th March very strong Mars became close to natal Sun and was already close to the MEP H7 Mid-April is when the concern for the 2H gets really sticky with Sa at its closest point to na Sun and 4 MEPs. Ju is outside the 1 degree orb, but the nodes are closer to the MEP (within 30 minutes). Your prediction should be villified. Mars will be in H8, the Sun will be transiting Aries - weak dispositor, afflicted MTH and house.Patience! Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:11 AM Re: US Stock Market Dear Vyas, With regard to the evolution of share prices over time, it seems every situation is unique. For instance, there are cases when stocks entered into a modest decline initially but then quickly recovered most of the losses only to enter into a much bigger decline shortly there afterwards. If you look at the developments in the summer of 1974 this was the case before the drop in August of that year. A similar picture emerges in 1998 but less pronounced. An underlying point in my paper " Major Corrections on Wall Street " is the inherent tendency of the US stock market to rise over the past few hundred years. Every shock the stock market has endured has been recovered at some stage. So far in 2007, the stock market has not endured a real shock, only increasing nervousness and risk awareness. Now the Fed has tried to clam the market and it has again become more bullish. The real test of the SAMVA USA chart is some development in coming weeks that disturbs investor sentiments to the extent that share prices decline further. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > You've covered days when the DJIA have fallen through. I am interested to > know your thoughts on the rise since the 14th March covering over 80% > percent of the losses since the fall from the 27th Feb that began with the > Asian markets. (From the all-time high on the 20th of Feb, the pull-back is > over 60%). > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Dear Vyas, Thanks for the additional insights. Indeed, one of the reasons this chart is so convincing is the evident strengths that resonate historically with the characteristics of the country, including also some problem areas. Your careful analysis of the transit dynamics of the SAMVA USA chart this Spring is helpful to deepen the insight. Indeed, the underlying trend with regard to 2nd house matters would be positive, albeit there could be setbacks at times when transits are challenging in that area as they are now. Hence, the focus has been on the negative aspects, perhaps to the neglect of the underlying strength. However, as you note there are more difficult days ahead, before things get better again. We can now wait to see if the predictions based on this chart are " verified " ! Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor and List, > > It's difficult to see the good events from the chart when the focus is only > on the negative elements. The 21 Cn chart is good; there are adequate > reasons for the pullback in the stock market, a positive occurence > reflecting good sentiment. If we consider that the 6L and Ra gives > fluctuations, it is difficult to gauge a prediction. If wrong, we can fall > back on the fluctuation theory. However, with studying the weakening or > strengthening factors in the chart, the proper view can be reckoned by good > old, simple SA. > > (THIS IS TAKEN FROM A AN EARLIER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOR AND MYSELF; IT > HAS BEEN EDITED SLIGHTLY) > > On the DJIA, I had commented about Mars in a previous (private) email. Mars > is connected to the 5H. It's aspect to the 7H/1/2 MEP in transit and lord Sa > of easy gains are strong reasons I believe. The natal potential is quite > good and as you know, Mars rules enormous wealth. The LO2 status, the Sun > transited into H9 on the 14/15. LO4, happiness and contentment, Ve transited > into 10H Aries around then, with its lord aspecting its MTH MEP. Me started > to move, and to a better degree around that date as well. So these are > helpful in increasing the sentiment in the SM. > > On the DJIA, watch for Su and Ve around their house MEPs for additional > help. As Ma moves to H8, it's not so good as Ve is in Aries. However, when > approaching the MEP, it will be helpful too as it will aspect H11, 2 and 3 > (Vi, MTH of Me, general significator of markets). I think buoyancy or sharp > rebound, is the name of the game even if we take a run downwards to > challenge or break the lows. As you have pointed out, the US stock market's > bias is upwards when you zoom out to the proper time perspective. This is > the underlying trend and is always present. Natally Mars and Moon are within > 3 degrees of opposition in the 2 houses that rule speculation. > > > (THIS IS TAKEN FROM ANOTHER EARLIER COMMUNICATION TO THOR WITH EDITS; IT IS > MY CLARIFYING THE MARS-SATURN ASPECT) > > Re: Ma-Sa transit aspect in the Cn chart. The functional nature, and > particular and general significations of each planet must be considered. In > summary: > > 1) They came within 1 degree yesterday; with MMP, it's 2 degrees, but... > 2) Natal Mars is strong to weather problems by affliction especially when > moving at normal to fast speed, in a good house. > 3) MMP Sa is problematic to Mars; **BUT** the positive aspects of the > general and particular significations of Sa will be promoted to some extent > in the affliction to a FB planet, in mutual aspect or conjunction unless > that FM is dependent on the FB natally. To the MEP it's different as the FM > afflicts itself. > 4) na Sa is located in H5 connecting increased strength/weakness in transit > with the 5H. > 5) Mars-na Su has been very helpful. On the 14th March very strong Mars > became close to natal Sun and was already close to the MEP H7 > > Mid-April is when the concern for the 2H gets really sticky with Sa at its > closest point to na Sun and 4 MEPs. Ju is outside the 1 degree orb, but the > nodes are closer to the MEP (within 30 minutes). Your prediction should be > villified. Mars will be in H8, the Sun will be transiting Aries - weak > dispositor, afflicted MTH and house.Patience! > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:11 AM > Re: US Stock Market > > > Dear Vyas, > > With regard to the evolution of share prices over time, it seems every > situation is unique. > > For instance, there are cases when stocks entered into a modest > decline initially but then quickly recovered most of the losses only > to enter into a much bigger decline shortly there afterwards. If you > look at the developments in the summer of 1974 this was the case > before the drop in August of that year. A similar picture emerges in > 1998 but less pronounced. > > An underlying point in my paper " Major Corrections on Wall Street " is > the inherent tendency of the US stock market to rise over the past few > hundred years. Every shock the stock market has endured has been > recovered at some stage. > > So far in 2007, the stock market has not endured a real shock, only > increasing nervousness and risk awareness. Now the Fed has tried to > clam the market and it has again become more bullish. The real test of > the SAMVA USA chart is some development in coming weeks that disturbs > investor sentiments to the extent that share prices decline further. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > You've covered days when the DJIA have fallen through. I am > interested to > > know your thoughts on the rise since the 14th March covering over 80% > > percent of the losses since the fall from the 27th Feb that began > with the > > Asian markets. (From the all-time high on the 20th of Feb, the > pull-back is > > over 60%). > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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