Australia - Ex PM - Fraser urges end to nuclear weapons

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maybe the heading should have been "Fraser against hypocrisy !" LOL former Australian PM Mr Malcolm Fraser is well known for his humane concerns. An enthusiastic supporter of environmental and other good courses for the betterment of everyone. also well known for his charitable activities and for his ability to speak the truth even against his own party/government. A truly good and fair man thru and thru, a real and rare gentleman/human being. can anyone please help me see this event (refer below) from Aus chart ? thanx in advance http://au.news./070423/2/137gi.html Monday April 23, 04:42 PM Fraser urges end to nuclear weapons Australia should pressure

its international allies to get rid of their nuclear weapons, former prime minister Malcolm Fraser says. Speaking after the launch of an anti-nuclear weapons movement in Melbourne, Mr Fraser said an Australian government needed to push an international agenda that would abolish all nuclear weapons. "We all talk about proliferation, or our governments do, and they get into a great lather about the actions of North Korea or Iran, whom they're concerned about, but they don't recognise the reality," he said. "There will be proliferation, they will not be able to stop it unless the major nuclear states make up their minds that nuclear weapons must be abolished." Mr Fraser said it could take years to rid the world of nuclear weapons, but it was important that nations such as the United Kingdom and United States were committed to it. "The real benefit for that is that you could then be extraordinarily tough

on any other state that sought to upset the movement to abolition," he said. "At the moment, countries like North Korea, I'm sure, and Iran and there would be many others, believe that the original nuclear powers are just trying to preserve their own superiority." However, Mr Fraser said it was important to separate weapons from nuclear energy as it would be impossible to demand countries give up using nuclear power, particularly in Europe where some rely on it for up to 80 per cent of their needs. "Power for peaceful purposes is becoming critical. If you're going to try to abolish that as well as abolish nuclear weapons then you won't achieve anything at all and the priority is to abolish nuclear weapons," he said. Mr Fraser, a former Liberal prime minister, spoke to reporters after the launch of the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons at Victoria's parliament house in Melbourne. He declined to

comment on Labor's strong opinion polls in the lead up to this year's federal election. Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear friends,The draught in Australia appears to be quite serious and as I mentioned in my earlier post can be seen clearly in the attached 15° Virgo rising chart for Australia. Ke/Ra period is running and the transit aspects involving also the nodes are very harsh at the present time.- transit Ketu is in applying conjunction with natal L8 Mars at 19° Leo H12 - transit Ketu is in applying aspect to natal L11 Moon at 20° Aries H8- transit L8 Mars is in applying conjunction with transit Rahu in H6- transit Mars is in applying opposition with natal Mars - transit Mars is receiving (a now seperating) aspect from natal L6 Saturn at 15° Sagittarius H4,itself

natally conjunct L12 Sun at 17° Sagittarius H4. Interestingly, brush/forest fires are common in Australia. The primary factor is evidently the natal configuration on H4 MEP. Natal L8 Mars in H12 MEP (as dispositor of natal L11 Moon in H8 and casting an aspect to L2 Venus in H3) would likely also be linked to this phenomenon.Best wishes,ThorCosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear friends, The draught in Australia is seen clearly in the 15� Virgo rising chart for Australia with hot L12 Sun and L6 Saturn conjunct and closely afflicting H4 MEP. Best wishes, Thor Leading Article: A global warning from the dust bowl of Australia Published: 20 April 2007 Australia is in the midst of a crippling drought, the country's worst on record. Many towns and cities have been forced to enact drastic water restrictions as reservoirs have run dry. Rivers have been reduced to a trickle. The drought has severely damaged the agricultural sector. Farmers are raising emaciated cattle and sheep. Cotton-lint production has plummeted. Wine grape and rice output has collapsed. Agricultural production has fallen by almost one-quarter in a year. And it is estimated that the drought has knocked three-quarters to 1 per cent off the country's growth as a whole. And now the government is reaching for desperate measures. Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, has announced there may be a ban on the use of the country's largest river system for irrigation unless there is

significant rainfall over the next two months. The government is preparing to wrest regulatory control of the Murray and Darling rivers from the five states through which they run to ensure that water is reserved for urban drinking supplies and farmers' domestic use. The Murray-Darling river basin has been called Australia's "food bowl". It generates about 40 per cent of the country's farm produce. If this tract of land - the size of France and Spain combined - is denied irrigation it would spell ruin for Australia's agricultural sector. Thousands of farmers could lose their citrus, almond and olive trees if they cannot be watered. Trees would die and production would be impossible for at least half a decade. Even if the rains do come in Australia in the coming weeks, as forecast, they will have to be especially long and prolonged to alleviate the crisis. Moreover, this is a taste of things to come - not just for Australia, but the world. As the

latest report from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change makes clear, the runaway warming of the earth will bring severe drought in its wake. And the economic consequences will be disastrous. Sir Nicholas Stern's report for the Treasury outlined last year how climate change could be as economically traumatic as the Great Depression or the world wars of the 20th century. There is already a growing drought problem in the Horn of Africa, most likely brought about by global warming. The Darfur crisis has been exacerbated by competition between Arab and African tribes for water resources. But this seems to be the first extended drought brought about by climate change in a developed country. It is a grim irony that Australia is suffering first. The country is led by a man who has helped to wreck concerted international action to slow climate change. Australia is the only industrialised nation, apart from the US, to refuse to sign up to the

Kyoto Protocol. Mr Howard, along with President George Bush in the US, has formed an axis of denial over the seriousness of global warming. Earlier this year he suggested "the jury is out" on the link between climate change and man-made carbon dioxide emissions, despite the consensus among the world's scientists that such a link is pretty much beyond doubt. But Mr Howard is now singing a rather different tune. His government recently announced plans to ban inefficient light bulbs to reduce Australia's carbon emissions. And now he prays for rain. This is because the drought is likely to be an important issue in Australia's elections this year. Mr Howard recognises that baiting asylum-seekers and posturing as President Bush's "deputy sheriff" in the Pacific is not enough. Suddenly, the environment matters. Today, Australia; tomorrow, vast areas of the world's surface: the imperative for the world's leaders to take serious action to curb climate change

has never been starker.

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Dear Iver,

 

This is an interesting question brought up by you. That said, I don´t

know if the views of a single politician show up in a mundane chart

unless they have a significant impact. However, in terms of mundane

charts in general, this is most certainly a central issue.

 

This issue is essentially a 6th house matter. A strong 6th house and

its lord would give ability to resolve conflict to ones advantage.

Having a credible threat would be helpful in this regard.

 

Encouraging others to avoid hostilities and engage in constructive

dialogue for conflict resolution would likely be seen in strong Sun

and/or Jupiter.

 

Having an inflexible stringent approach leading to conflict would

likely be seen in an affliction involving the 6th lord.

 

Having the means to inflict death and destruction on ones adversaries

would likely be seen in a strong Mars and 6th lord. The posession abd

use of weapons of mass destruction would likley link the 8th lord

with the 7th house.

 

The problem is also to interpret the Frazer initiative. Likely it is

reflecting a well developed Sun and Jupiter. However, it would seem

to indicate also a weak Mars - to disarm when others are arming.

 

This is just conjecture on my part. Perhaps has a

better understanding.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

SAMVA , del iver <deliver1900 wrote:

>

> maybe the heading should have been " Fraser against hypocrisy ! " LOL

> former Australian PM Mr Malcolm Fraser is well known for his

humane concerns. An enthusiastic supporter of environmental and other

good courses for the betterment of everyone. also well known for his

charitable activities and for his ability to speak the truth even

against his own party/government. A truly good and fair man thru and

thru, a real and rare gentleman/human being.

>

> can anyone please help me see this event (refer below) from Aus

chart ?

> thanx in advance

>

> http://au.news./070423/2/137gi.html

> Monday April 23, 04:42 PM

> Fraser urges end to nuclear weapons

> Australia should pressure its international allies to get rid

of their nuclear weapons, former prime minister Malcolm Fraser says.

Speaking after the launch of an anti-nuclear weapons movement in

Melbourne, Mr Fraser said an Australian government needed to push an

international agenda that would abolish all nuclear weapons.

>

> " We all talk about proliferation, or our governments do, and they

get into a great lather about the actions of North Korea or Iran,

whom they're concerned about, but they don't recognise the reality, "

he said.

> " There will be proliferation, they will not be able to stop it

unless the major nuclear states make up their minds that nuclear

weapons must be abolished. "

> Mr Fraser said it could take years to rid the world of nuclear

weapons, but it was important that nations such as the United Kingdom

and United States were committed to it.

> " The real benefit for that is that you could then be

extraordinarily tough on any other state that sought to upset the

movement to abolition, " he said.

> " At the moment, countries like North Korea, I'm sure, and Iran

and there would be many others, believe that the original nuclear

powers are just trying to preserve their own superiority. "

> However, Mr Fraser said it was important to separate weapons from

nuclear energy as it would be impossible to demand countries give up

using nuclear power, particularly in Europe where some rely on it for

up to 80 per cent of their needs.

> " Power for peaceful purposes is becoming critical. If you're

going to try to abolish that as well as abolish nuclear weapons then

you won't achieve anything at all and the priority is to abolish

nuclear weapons, " he said.

> Mr Fraser, a former Liberal prime minister, spoke to reporters

after the launch of the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear

Weapons at Victoria's parliament house in Melbourne.

> He declined to comment on Labor's strong opinion polls in the

lead up to this year's federal election.

>

>

> Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> Dear friends,

>

> The draught in Australia appears to be quite serious and as I

mentioned in my earlier post can be seen clearly in the attached 15°

Virgo rising chart for Australia.

>

> Ke/Ra period is running and the transit aspects involving also the

nodes are very harsh at the present time.

>

> - transit Ketu is in applying conjunction with natal L8 Mars at

19° Leo H12

> - transit Ketu is in applying aspect to natal L11 Moon at 20°

Aries H8

> - transit L8 Mars is in applying conjunction with transit Rahu in H6

> - transit Mars is in applying opposition with natal Mars

> - transit Mars is receiving (a now seperating) aspect from natal L6

Saturn at 15° Sagittarius H4,itself natally conjunct L12 Sun at 17°

Sagittarius H4.

>

> Interestingly, brush/forest fires are common in Australia. The

primary factor is evidently the natal configuration on H4 MEP. Natal

L8 Mars in H12 MEP (as dispositor of natal L11 Moon in H8 and casting

an aspect to L2 Venus in H3) would likely also be linked to this

phenomenon.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear friends,

>

> The draught in Australia is seen clearly in the 15� Virgo

rising chart for Australia with hot L12 Sun and L6 Saturn conjunct

and closely afflicting H4 MEP.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> Leading Article: A global warning from the dust bowl of

Australia Published: 20 April 2007

>

> Australia is in the midst of a crippling drought, the country's

worst on record. Many towns and cities have been forced to enact

drastic water restrictions as reservoirs have run dry. Rivers have

been reduced to a trickle. The drought has severely damaged the

agricultural sector. Farmers are raising emaciated cattle and sheep.

Cotton-lint production has plummeted. Wine grape and rice output has

collapsed. Agricultural production has fallen by almost one-quarter

in a year. And it is estimated that the drought has knocked three-

quarters to 1 per cent off the country's growth as a whole.

> And now the government is reaching for desperate measures.

Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, has announced there may be a

ban on the use of the country's largest river system for irrigation

unless there is significant rainfall over the next two months. The

government is preparing to wrest regulatory control of the Murray and

Darling rivers from the five states through which they run to ensure

that water is reserved for urban drinking supplies and farmers'

domestic use.

> The Murray-Darling river basin has been called Australia's " food

bowl " . It generates about 40 per cent of the country's farm produce.

If this tract of land - the size of France and Spain combined - is

denied irrigation it would spell ruin for Australia's agricultural

sector. Thousands of farmers could lose their citrus, almond and

olive trees if they cannot be watered. Trees would die and production

would be impossible for at least half a decade. Even if the rains do

come in Australia in the coming weeks, as forecast, they will have to

be especially long and prolonged to alleviate the crisis.

> Moreover, this is a taste of things to come - not just for

Australia, but the world. As the latest report from the United

Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change makes clear, the

runaway warming of the earth will bring severe drought in its wake.

And the economic consequences will be disastrous. Sir Nicholas

Stern's report for the Treasury outlined last year how climate change

could be as economically traumatic as the Great Depression or the

world wars of the 20th century.

> There is already a growing drought problem in the Horn of Africa,

most likely brought about by global warming. The Darfur crisis has

been exacerbated by competition between Arab and African tribes for

water resources. But this seems to be the first extended drought

brought about by climate change in a developed country. It is a grim

irony that Australia is suffering first. The country is led by a man

who has helped to wreck concerted international action to slow

climate change. Australia is the only industrialised nation, apart

from the US, to refuse to sign up to the Kyoto Protocol. Mr Howard,

along with President George Bush in the US, has formed an axis of

denial over the seriousness of global warming. Earlier this year he

suggested " the jury is out " on the link between climate change and

man-made carbon dioxide emissions, despite the consensus among the

world's scientists that such a link is pretty much beyond doubt.

> But Mr Howard is now singing a rather different tune. His

government recently announced plans to ban inefficient light bulbs to

reduce Australia's carbon emissions. And now he prays for rain. This

is because the drought is likely to be an important issue in

Australia's elections this year. Mr Howard recognises that baiting

asylum-seekers and posturing as President Bush's " deputy sheriff " in

the Pacific is not enough. Suddenly, the environment matters.

> Today, Australia; tomorrow, vast areas of the world's surface:

the imperative for the world's leaders to take serious action to curb

climate change has never been starker.

>

>

>

>

>

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

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