Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Dear Remi, Many thanks for clarifying the time selected for the charts by you and Jo. The results of the Presidential election should be known shortly. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , Remi PANISSET <hermeneus wrote: > > Hello dear Thor, > > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on their respective official birth certificates. In France such times are public and everybody can consult about them. > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence at that time. > > Best wishes, > > Rémi > > > > > Message du 06/05/07 13:01 > > De : " Cosmologer " <cosmologer > > A : SAMVA > > Copie à : > > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election > > > > Hello Prem, > > > > Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the French Presidential elections. The additional information is interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different times than in the study by Jo and Remi. > > > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising (7:35 AM). > > Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising (12:54 PM). > > > > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have made their own rectification work. > > > > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the ascendants > > used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is not much > > basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of France. > > > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy. The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I would think he has a good chance of being elected based on the Sagittarius rising chart. > > > > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself, although with some good placements but there are several afflictions present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I do not find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction of L12 Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus and L4 Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These afflictions suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak and badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces working against her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit mildly combust. She has become well known for her books and views. The placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun > > in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has earlier lifted her to ministerial level. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > ski woka <skiwoka wrote: You can read the detailed analysis of another prediction on the elections here: > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html > > Ségolène Royal will become FranceÂ's first female President. > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos.> > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ] > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ] > > [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ] > > [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Dear Remi and Jo,Hearty congratulations with your correct predictions concerning the outcome of both stages of the French Presidential election.Best wishes,ThorRemi PANISSET <hermeneus wrote: Hello dear Thor,The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on their respective official birth certificates. In France such times are public and everybody can consult about them.In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence at that time.Best wishes,Rémi> Message du 06/05/07 13:01> De : "Cosmologer" > A : SAMVA > Copie à : > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election> > Hello Prem,> > Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the French Presidential elections. The additional information is interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different times than in the study by Jo and Remi. > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising (7:35 AM).> Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising (12:54 PM).> > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have made their own rectification work.> > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the ascendants> used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is not much> basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of France. > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy. The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I would think he has a good chance of being elected based on the Sagittarius rising chart.> > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself, although with some good placements but there are several afflictions present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I do not find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction of L12 Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus and L4 Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These afflictions suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak and badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces working against her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit mildly combust. She has become well known for her books and views. The placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun> in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has earlier lifted her to ministerial level.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > ski woka wrote: You can read the detailed analysis of another prediction on the elections here:> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html> Ségolène Royal will become France’s first female President.> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.>> [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]> [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]> [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]> [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 My dear Thor Thank you for your kind words. Nicolas Sarkozy is the winner of this election. Most astrologers here have given Segelene Royal as the future french president. Someone on our list sent a link to Dymock Brose analysis (in favor of Segolene Royal). We are extremely lucky. System's Approach is the most marvelous predictive tool and we benefit through Satva/Samva of the permanent guidance of our dear professor Choudhry. Best Wishes Jo - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:03 PM Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election > Dear Remi and Jo, > > Hearty congratulations with your correct predictions concerning the > outcome of both stages of the French Presidential election. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > Remi PANISSET <hermeneus wrote: Hello dear Thor, > > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal (04:10 > PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on their > respective official birth certificates. In France such times are public > and everybody can consult about them. > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given with a > precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the circumstances of the > birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence at that time. > > Best wishes, > > Rémi > > > >> Message du 06/05/07 13:01 >> De : " Cosmologer " >> A : SAMVA >> Copie à : >> Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election >> >> Hello Prem, >> >> Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the French >> Presidential elections. The additional information is interesting for the >> fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different times than in the study >> by Jo and Remi. >> >> Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising (10:00 >> PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising (7:35 AM). >> Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising (4:10 PM), >> while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising (12:54 PM). >> >> I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given for >> the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times stating that >> the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have made their own >> rectification work. >> >> Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the ascendants >> used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is not much >> basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will be a >> guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of France. >> >> Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy. The >> current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun and Mars >> are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal energy level and >> political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally afflicting in the chart nor >> in transit at the present time. I would think he has a good chance of >> being elected based on the Sagittarius rising chart. >> >> The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more likely, >> given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not so helpful, >> given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself, although with some >> good placements but there are several afflictions present in the natal >> chart which is not good. As a result, I do not find this chart convincing >> of her victory, notably due to the affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal >> Rahu and the affliction of L12 Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, >> with also L10 Venus and L4 Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and >> endings. These afflictions suggest crisis in career or some form of >> deception or problem involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is >> also weak and badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces >> working against her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP >> albeit mildly combust. She has become well known for her books and views. >> The placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and > Sun >> in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has earlier >> lifted her to ministerial level. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Thor >> >> >> ski woka wrote: You can read the detailed analysis of another >> prediction on the elections here: >> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html >> Ségolène Royal will become France's first female President. >> >> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://au.messenger. >> >> >> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? >> Check outnew cars at Autos.> >> [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ] >> [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ] >> [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ] >> [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 2nd that ! congratulations to Jo and Remi. and you too Thor ! cheers again - "Cosmologer" Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:03 PMRe: : Re: Re: French presidential election> Dear Remi and Jo,>> Hearty congratulations with your correct predictions concerning the > outcome of both stages of the French Presidential election.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>> Remi PANISSET wrote: Hello dear Thor,>> The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal (04:10 > PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on their > respective official birth certificates. In France such times are public > and everybody can consult about them.> In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given with a > precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the circumstances of the > birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence at that time.>> Best wishes,>> Rémi>>>>> Message du 06/05/07 13:01>> De : "Cosmologer">> A : SAMVA >> Copie à :>> Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election>>>> Hello Prem,>>>> Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the French >> Presidential elections. The additional information is interesting for the >> fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different times than in the study >> by Jo and Remi.>>>> Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising (10:00 >> PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising (7:35 AM).>> Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising (4:10 PM), >> while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising (12:54 PM).>>>> I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given for >> the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times stating that >> the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have made their own >> rectification work.>>>> Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the ascendants>> used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is not much>> basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will be a >> guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of France.>>>> Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy. The >> current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun and Mars >> are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal energy level and >> political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally afflicting in the chart nor >> in transit at the present time. I would think he has a good chance of >> being elected based on the Sagittarius rising chart.>>>> The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more likely, >> given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not so helpful, >> given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself, although with some >> good placements but there are several afflictions present in the natal >> chart which is not good. As a result, I do not find this chart convincing >> of her victory, notably due to the affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal >> Rahu and the affliction of L12 Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, >> with also L10 Venus and L4 Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and >> endings. These afflictions suggest crisis in career or some form of >> deception or problem involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is >> also weak and badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces >> working against her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP >> albeit mildly combust. She has become well known for her books and views. >> The placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and> Sun>> in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has earlier >> lifted her to ministerial level.>>>> Best wishes,>>>> Thor>>>>>> ski woka wrote: You can read the detailed analysis of another >> prediction on the elections here:>> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html>> Ségolène Royal will become France's first female President.>>>>>>>> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://au.messenger.>>>>>> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?>> Check outnew cars at Autos.>>> [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]>> [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]>> [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]>> [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ]>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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