France: Sarkozy wins [Was: French presidential elec...]

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

The polls indicate a Sarkozy win by a comfortable margin.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

Polls: Sarkozy Elected French President

May 6 02:08 PM US/Eastern

PARIS (AP) - French voters chose Nicolas Sarkozy as their new

president on Sunday, giving the conservative a comfortable margin for

victory and a mandate for change, result projections from four polling

agencies showed. His Socialist opponent conceded minutes after polls

closed. The agencies said the conservative won 53 percent of the vote

amid massive turnout, dashing Socialist Segolene Royal's hopes of

being elected France's first woman president. The projections were

based on vote counts from representative samples of hundreds of

polling stations across the country.

 

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear Remi,

>

> Many thanks for clarifying the time selected for the charts by you and

> Jo.

>

> The results of the Presidential election should be known shortly.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , Remi PANISSET <hermeneus@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear Thor,

> >

> > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal

> (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on

> their respective official birth certificates. In France such times are

> public and everybody can consult about them.

> > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given

> with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the

> circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence

> at that time.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Rémi

> >

> >

> >

> > > Message du 06/05/07 13:01

> > > De : " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > > A : SAMVA

> > > Copie à :

> > > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election

> > >

> > > Hello Prem,

> > >

> > > Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the

> French Presidential elections. The additional information is

> interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different

> times than in the study by Jo and Remi.

> > >

> > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising

> (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising

> (7:35 AM).

> > > Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising

> (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising

> (12:54 PM).

> > >

> > > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given

> for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times

> stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have

> made their own rectification work.

> > >

> > > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the

ascendants

> > > used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is not much

> > > basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will

> be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of

> France.

> > >

> > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy.

> The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun

> and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal

> energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally

> afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I would

> think he has a good chance of being elected based on the Sagittarius

> rising chart.

> > >

> > > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more

> likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not

> so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself,

> although with some good placements but there are several afflictions

> present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I do not

> find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the

> affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction of L12

> Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus and L4

> Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These afflictions

> suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem

> involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak and

> badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces working against

> her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit mildly

> combust. She has become well known for her books and views. The

> placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun

> > > in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has

> earlier lifted her to ministerial level.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > >

> > > ski woka <skiwoka@> wrote: You can read the detailed analysis

> of another prediction on the elections here:

> > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html

> > > Ségolène Royal will become FranceÂ's first female President.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://au.messenger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > Check outnew cars at Autos.>

> > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]

> > > [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ]

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello dear Thor,

 

Congratulations on your successful prediction.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, May 07, 2007 12:00 AM

France: Sarkozy wins [Was: French presidential elec...]

 

 

Dear friends,

 

The polls indicate a Sarkozy win by a comfortable margin.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

Polls: Sarkozy Elected French President

May 6 02:08 PM US/Eastern

PARIS (AP) - French voters chose Nicolas Sarkozy as their new

president on Sunday, giving the conservative a comfortable margin for

victory and a mandate for change, result projections from four polling

agencies showed. His Socialist opponent conceded minutes after polls

closed. The agencies said the conservative won 53 percent of the vote

amid massive turnout, dashing Socialist Segolene Royal's hopes of

being elected France's first woman president. The projections were

based on vote counts from representative samples of hundreds of

polling stations across the country.

 

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear Remi,

>

> Many thanks for clarifying the time selected for the charts by you and

> Jo.

>

> The results of the Presidential election should be known shortly.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , Remi PANISSET <hermeneus@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear Thor,

> >

> > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal

> (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on

> their respective official birth certificates. In France such times are

> public and everybody can consult about them.

> > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given

> with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the

> circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence

> at that time.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Rémi

> >

> >

> >

> > > Message du 06/05/07 13:01

> > > De : " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > > A : SAMVA

> > > Copie à :

> > > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election

> > >

> > > Hello Prem,

> > >

> > > Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the

> French Presidential elections. The additional information is

> interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different

> times than in the study by Jo and Remi.

> > >

> > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising

> (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising

> (7:35 AM).

> > > Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising

> (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising

> (12:54 PM).

> > >

> > > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given

> for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times

> stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have

> made their own rectification work.

> > >

> > > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the

ascendants

> > > used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is not much

> > > basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will

> be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of

> France.

> > >

> > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy.

> The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun

> and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal

> energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally

> afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I would

> think he has a good chance of being elected based on the Sagittarius

> rising chart.

> > >

> > > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more

> likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not

> so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself,

> although with some good placements but there are several afflictions

> present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I do not

> find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the

> affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction of L12

> Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus and L4

> Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These afflictions

> suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem

> involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak and

> badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces working against

> her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit mildly

> combust. She has become well known for her books and views. The

> placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun

> > > in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has

> earlier lifted her to ministerial level.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > >

> > > ski woka <skiwoka@> wrote: You can read the detailed analysis

> of another prediction on the elections here:

> > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html

> > > Ségolène Royal will become FranceÂ's first female President.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://au.messenger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > Check outnew cars at Autos.>

> > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]

> > > [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ]

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

 

Thank you for the kind words.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , <siha wrote:

>

>

> Hello dear Thor,

>

> Congratulations on your successful prediction.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, May 07, 2007 12:00 AM

> France: Sarkozy wins [Was: French presidential elec...]

>

>

> Dear friends,

>

> The polls indicate a Sarkozy win by a comfortable margin.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

> Polls: Sarkozy Elected French President

> May 6 02:08 PM US/Eastern

> PARIS (AP) - French voters chose Nicolas Sarkozy as their new

> president on Sunday, giving the conservative a comfortable margin for

> victory and a mandate for change, result projections from four polling

> agencies showed. His Socialist opponent conceded minutes after polls

> closed. The agencies said the conservative won 53 percent of the vote

> amid massive turnout, dashing Socialist Segolene Royal's hopes of

> being elected France's first woman president. The projections were

> based on vote counts from representative samples of hundreds of

> polling stations across the country.

>

>

> SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Remi,

> >

> > Many thanks for clarifying the time selected for the charts by you and

> > Jo.

> >

> > The results of the Presidential election should be known shortly.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , Remi PANISSET <hermeneus@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello dear Thor,

> > >

> > > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal

> > (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on

> > their respective official birth certificates. In France such times are

> > public and everybody can consult about them.

> > > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given

> > with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the

> > circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence

> > at that time.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Rémi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Message du 06/05/07 13:01

> > > > De : " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > > > A : SAMVA

> > > > Copie à :

> > > > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election

> > > >

> > > > Hello Prem,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the

> > French Presidential elections. The additional information is

> > interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different

> > times than in the study by Jo and Remi.

> > > >

> > > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising

> > (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising

> > (7:35 AM).

> > > > Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising

> > (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising

> > (12:54 PM).

> > > >

> > > > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given

> > for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times

> > stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have

> > made their own rectification work.

> > > >

> > > > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the

> ascendants

> > > > used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is

not much

> > > > basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will

> > be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of

> > France.

> > > >

> > > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy.

> > The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun

> > and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal

> > energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally

> > afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I would

> > think he has a good chance of being elected based on the Sagittarius

> > rising chart.

> > > >

> > > > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more

> > likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not

> > so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself,

> > although with some good placements but there are several afflictions

> > present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I do not

> > find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the

> > affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction of L12

> > Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus and L4

> > Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These afflictions

> > suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem

> > involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak and

> > badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces working against

> > her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit mildly

> > combust. She has become well known for her books and views. The

> > placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun

> > > > in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has

> > earlier lifted her to ministerial level.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Thor

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ski woka <skiwoka@> wrote: You can read the detailed analysis

> > of another prediction on the elections here:

> > > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html

> > > > Ségolène Royal will become FranceÂ's first female President.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://au.messenger.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > > Check outnew cars at Autos.>

> > > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]

> > > > [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > > [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ]

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mr Jo Choen, Mr Remi, and Mr Thor T.

 

Congratulations! SA always shines via proper application like this, using

the correct natals.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:30 PM

France: Sarkozy wins [Was: French presidential elec...]

 

 

Dear friends,

 

The polls indicate a Sarkozy win by a comfortable margin.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

Polls: Sarkozy Elected French President

May 6 02:08 PM US/Eastern

PARIS (AP) - French voters chose Nicolas Sarkozy as their new

president on Sunday, giving the conservative a comfortable margin for

victory and a mandate for change, result projections from four polling

agencies showed. His Socialist opponent conceded minutes after polls

closed. The agencies said the conservative won 53 percent of the vote

amid massive turnout, dashing Socialist Segolene Royal's hopes of

being elected France's first woman president. The projections were

based on vote counts from representative samples of hundreds of

polling stations across the country.

 

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear Remi,

>

> Many thanks for clarifying the time selected for the charts by you and

> Jo.

>

> The results of the Presidential election should be known shortly.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , Remi PANISSET <hermeneus@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear Thor,

> >

> > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal

> (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on

> their respective official birth certificates. In France such times are

> public and everybody can consult about them.

> > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given

> with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the

> circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence

> at that time.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Rémi

> >

> >

> >

> > > Message du 06/05/07 13:01

> > > De : " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > > A : SAMVA

> > > Copie à :

> > > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election

> > >

> > > Hello Prem,

> > >

> > > Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the

> French Presidential elections. The additional information is

> interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different

> times than in the study by Jo and Remi.

> > >

> > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising

> (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising

> (7:35 AM).

> > > Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising

> (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising

> (12:54 PM).

> > >

> > > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given

> for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times

> stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have

> made their own rectification work.

> > >

> > > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the

ascendants

> > > used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is not much

> > > basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will

> be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of

> France.

> > >

> > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy.

> The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun

> and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal

> energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally

> afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I would

> think he has a good chance of being elected based on the Sagittarius

> rising chart.

> > >

> > > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more

> likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not

> so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself,

> although with some good placements but there are several afflictions

> present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I do not

> find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the

> affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction of L12

> Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus and L4

> Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These afflictions

> suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem

> involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak and

> badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces working against

> her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit mildly

> combust. She has become well known for her books and views. The

> placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun

> > > in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has

> earlier lifted her to ministerial level.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > >

> > > ski woka <skiwoka@> wrote: You can read the detailed analysis

> of another prediction on the elections here:

> > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html

> > > Ségolène Royal will become FranceÂ's first female President.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://au.messenger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > Check outnew cars at Autos.>

> > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]

> > > [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ]

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vyas,

 

Remi and Jo did their prediction on the basis of the official times

for both charts. I did not make the prediction based on the Virgo

chart of Sarkozy, which derives from the official time, but another

chart with Sagittarius rising, which I found plausible. However, what

convinced me most that Sarkozy would win the election was the chart of

Segoleon Royale. I found it to be too problematic to make her likely

to gain the Presidency. Of course, Remi and Jo and I all relied on SA

for the analysis, which made all the difference. It was a fun exercise.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Hi Mr Jo Choen, Mr Remi, and Mr Thor T.

>

> Congratulations! SA always shines via proper application like this,

using

> the correct natals.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:30 PM

> France: Sarkozy wins [Was: French presidential elec...]

>

>

> Dear friends,

>

> The polls indicate a Sarkozy win by a comfortable margin.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

> Polls: Sarkozy Elected French President

> May 6 02:08 PM US/Eastern

> PARIS (AP) - French voters chose Nicolas Sarkozy as their new

> president on Sunday, giving the conservative a comfortable margin for

> victory and a mandate for change, result projections from four polling

> agencies showed. His Socialist opponent conceded minutes after polls

> closed. The agencies said the conservative won 53 percent of the vote

> amid massive turnout, dashing Socialist Segolene Royal's hopes of

> being elected France's first woman president. The projections were

> based on vote counts from representative samples of hundreds of

> polling stations across the country.

>

>

> SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Remi,

> >

> > Many thanks for clarifying the time selected for the charts by you and

> > Jo.

> >

> > The results of the Presidential election should be known shortly.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , Remi PANISSET <hermeneus@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello dear Thor,

> > >

> > > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal

> > (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on

> > their respective official birth certificates. In France such times are

> > public and everybody can consult about them.

> > > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given

> > with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the

> > circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence

> > at that time.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Rémi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Message du 06/05/07 13:01

> > > > De : " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > > > A : SAMVA

> > > > Copie à :

> > > > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election

> > > >

> > > > Hello Prem,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the

> > French Presidential elections. The additional information is

> > interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different

> > times than in the study by Jo and Remi.

> > > >

> > > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising

> > (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising

> > (7:35 AM).

> > > > Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising

> > (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising

> > (12:54 PM).

> > > >

> > > > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given

> > for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times

> > stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have

> > made their own rectification work.

> > > >

> > > > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the

> ascendants

> > > > used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is

not much

> > > > basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will

> > be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of

> > France.

> > > >

> > > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy.

> > The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun

> > and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal

> > energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally

> > afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I would

> > think he has a good chance of being elected based on the Sagittarius

> > rising chart.

> > > >

> > > > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more

> > likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not

> > so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself,

> > although with some good placements but there are several afflictions

> > present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I do not

> > find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the

> > affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction of L12

> > Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus and L4

> > Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These afflictions

> > suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem

> > involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak and

> > badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces working against

> > her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit mildly

> > combust. She has become well known for her books and views. The

> > placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun

> > > > in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has

> > earlier lifted her to ministerial level.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Thor

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ski woka <skiwoka@> wrote: You can read the detailed analysis

> > of another prediction on the elections here:

> > > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html

> > > > Ségolène Royal will become FranceÂ's first female President.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://au.messenger.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > > Check outnew cars at Autos.>

> > > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]

> > > > [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > > [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ]

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

Congratulations on your prediction.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 5/6/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Vyas,Remi and Jo did their prediction on the basis of the official timesfor both charts. I did not make the prediction based on the Virgo

chart of Sarkozy, which derives from the official time, but anotherchart with Sagittarius rising, which I found plausible. However, whatconvinced me most that Sarkozy would win the election was the chart of

Segoleon Royale. I found it to be too problematic to make her likelyto gain the Presidency. Of course, Remi and Jo and I all relied on SAfor the analysis, which made all the difference. It was a fun exercise.

Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:>> Hi Mr Jo Choen, Mr Remi, and Mr Thor T.>

> Congratulations! SA always shines via proper application like this,using> the correct natals.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>>> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:30 PM> France: Sarkozy wins [Was: French presidential elec...]

>>> Dear friends,>> The polls indicate a Sarkozy win by a comfortable margin.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>> Polls: Sarkozy Elected French President

> May 6 02:08 PM US/Eastern> PARIS (AP) - French voters chose Nicolas Sarkozy as their new> president on Sunday, giving the conservative a comfortable margin for> victory and a mandate for change, result projections from four polling

> agencies showed. His Socialist opponent conceded minutes after polls> closed. The agencies said the conservative won 53 percent of the vote> amid massive turnout, dashing Socialist Segolene Royal's hopes of

> being elected France's first woman president. The projections were> based on vote counts from representative samples of hundreds of> polling stations across the country.>>> SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Dear Remi,> >> > Many thanks for clarifying the time selected for the charts by you and

> > Jo.> >> > The results of the Presidential election should be known shortly.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Thor> >> >

SAMVA , Remi PANISSET <hermeneus@> wrote:> > >> > > Hello dear Thor,> > >> > > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Ségolène Royal

> > (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times mentionned on> > their respective official birth certificates. In France such times are> > public and everybody can consult about them.

> > > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates were given> > with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the> > circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical presence

> > at that time.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Rémi> > >> > >> > >> > > > Message du 06/05/07 13:01

> > > > De : " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>> > > > A : SAMVA > > > > Copie à :> > > > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election

> > > >> > > > Hello Prem,> > > >> > > > Thank you for the additional information and prediction for the> > French Presidential elections. The additional information is

> > interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on different> > times than in the study by Jo and Remi.> > > >> > > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3° Virgo rising

> > (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25° Sagittarius rising> > (7:35 AM).> > > > Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn rising> > (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio rising

> > (12:54 PM).> > > >> > > > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the times given> > for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different times> > stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they appear to have

> > made their own rectification work.> > > >> > > > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on the> ascendants> > > > used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there is

not much> > > > basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the elections will> > be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new President of> > France.> > > >

> > > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for Sarkozy.> > The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His natal Sun> > and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his personal

> > energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally> > afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I would> > think he has a good chance of being elected based on the Sagittarius

> > rising chart.> > > >> > > > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as being more> > likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo period is not

> > so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart itself,> > although with some good placements but there are several afflictions> > present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I do not

> > find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the> > affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction of L12> > Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus and L4

> > Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These afflictions> > suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem> > involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak and

> > badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces working against> > her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit mildly> > combust. She has become well known for her books and views. The

> > placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun> > > > in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3, has> > earlier lifted her to ministerial level.> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Thor> > > >> > > >> > > > ski woka <skiwoka@> wrote: You can read the detailed analysis

> > of another prediction on the elections here:> > > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html> > > > Ségolène Royal will become FranceÂ's first female President.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> > http://au.messenger.

> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?> > > > Check outnew cars at Autos.>

> > > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]> > > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]> > > > [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]> > > > [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ]> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jorge,

 

Thank you for the kind words - and nice to see your posts!

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino

wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Congratulations on your prediction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

>

> On 5/6/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vyas,

> >

> > Remi and Jo did their prediction on the basis of the official

times

> > for both charts. I did not make the prediction based on the Virgo

> > chart of Sarkozy, which derives from the official time, but

another

> > chart with Sagittarius rising, which I found plausible. However,

what

> > convinced me most that Sarkozy would win the election was the

chart of

> > Segoleon Royale. I found it to be too problematic to make her

likely

> > to gain the Presidency. Of course, Remi and Jo and I all relied

on SA

> > for the analysis, which made all the difference. It was a fun

exercise.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> >

> > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Mr Jo Choen, Mr Remi, and Mr Thor T.

> > >

> > > Congratulations! SA always shines via proper application like

this,

> > using

> > > the correct natals.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Vyas Munidas

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > > <SAMVA >

> > > Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:30 PM

> > > France: Sarkozy wins [Was: French presidential

elec...]

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > The polls indicate a Sarkozy win by a comfortable margin.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > >

> > > Polls: Sarkozy Elected French President

> > > May 6 02:08 PM US/Eastern

> > > PARIS (AP) - French voters chose Nicolas Sarkozy as their new

> > > president on Sunday, giving the conservative a comfortable

margin for

> > > victory and a mandate for change, result projections from four

polling

> > > agencies showed. His Socialist opponent conceded minutes after

polls

> > > closed. The agencies said the conservative won 53 percent of

the vote

> > > amid massive turnout, dashing Socialist Segolene Royal's hopes

of

> > > being elected France's first woman president. The projections

were

> > > based on vote counts from representative samples of hundreds of

> > > polling stations across the country.

> > >

> > >

> > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Remi,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for clarifying the time selected for the charts

by you and

> > > > Jo.

> > > >

> > > > The results of the Presidential election should be known

shortly.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Thor

> > > >

> > > > SAMVA , Remi PANISSET <hermeneus@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello dear Thor,

> > > > >

> > > > > The birth times we used for casting the charts of Sé

golène Royal

> > > > (04:10 PM) and Nicolas Sarkozy (10:00 PM) are the times

mentionned on

> > > > their respective official birth certificates. In France such

times are

> > > > public and everybody can consult about them.

> > > > > In the 50's, birth times indicated on birth certificates

were given

> > > > with a precision of about +/- 20 minutes, depending upon the

> > > > circumstances of the birth and upon a medical or non-medical

presence

> > > > at that time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rémi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Message du 06/05/07 13:01

> > > > > > De : " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > > > > > A : SAMVA

> > > > > > Copie à :

> > > > > > Objet : Re: : Re: Re: French presidential election

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Prem,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for the additional information and prediction

for the

> > > > French Presidential elections. The additional information is

> > > > interesting for the fact that the horoscopes cast rely on

different

> > > > times than in the study by Jo and Remi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nicholas Sarkozy in the study by Jo and Remi has 3°

Virgo rising

> > > > (10:00 PM), while in this non-Sa study he has 25°

Sagittarius rising

> > > > (7:35 AM).

> > > > > > Segleone Royale in the former study has 16° Capricorn

rising

> > > > (4:10 PM), while in the non-SA study she has 28° Scorpio

rising

> > > > (12:54 PM).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I believe, Jo has explained they have not adjusted the

times given

> > > > for the candidates, whereas the other study uses different

times

> > > > stating that the birth times are not known. Hence, they

appear to have

> > > > made their own rectification work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Clearly, the outcome is likely to be different based on

the

> > > ascendants

> > > > > > used, as well as the system of astrology used. So, there

is

> > not much

> > > > > > basis for comparison. That said, the outcome of the

elections will

> > > > be a guidepost for further work on the chart of the new

President of

> > > > France.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Personally, I find a Sagittarius ascendant possible for

Sarkozy.

> > > > The current Ve/Sa period would be moderately helpful. His

natal Sun

> > > > and Mars are strong and well placed, consistent with his

personal

> > > > energy level and political ascendancy. The FMs are not natally

> > > > afflicting in the chart nor in transit at the present time. I

would

> > > > think he has a good chance of being elected based on the

Sagittarius

> > > > rising chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Capricorn rising chart for Royale strikes me as

being more

> > > > likely, given her classic good looks. The present Ve/Mo

period is not

> > > > so helpful, given the weakness of both planets. The chart

itself,

> > > > although with some good placements but there are several

afflictions

> > > > present in the natal chart which is not good. As a result, I

do not

> > > > find this chart convincing of her victory, notably due to the

> > > > affliction of natal L6 Sun by natal Rahu and the affliction

of L12

> > > > Jupiter in H6 of natal L2 Saturn in H10, with also L10 Venus

and L4

> > > > Mars badly placed in H8 of obstacles and endings. These

afflictions

> > > > suggest crisis in career or some form of deception or problem

> > > > involving father/husband, especially as Jupiter is also weak

and

> > > > badly placed. There would likely also be strong forces

working against

> > > > her. That said Mercury is strong in Virgo on H9 MEP albeit

mildly

> > > > combust. She has become well known for her books and views.

The

> > > > placement of L2 Saturn in H10, with L7 Moon in H2 and Sun

> > > > > > in H9, and L4 Mars in H8 MEP aspecting H2, H11 and H3,

has

> > > > earlier lifted her to ministerial level.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thor

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ski woka <skiwoka@> wrote: You can read the detailed

analysis

> > > > of another prediction on the elections here:

> > > > > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal39.html

> > > > > > Ségolène Royal will become FranceÂ's first

female President.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > > > http://au.messenger.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > > > > Check outnew cars at Autos.>

> > > > > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-3 Virgo.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > > > > [ Nicholas Sarkozy-25 Sagittarius.gif (49.2 Ko) ]

> > > > > > [ Ségolène Royal-16 Capricorn.gif (49.1 Ko) ]

> > > > > > [ Ségolène Royal-28 Scorpio.gif (49.3 Ko) ]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >