Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Sri Sankara Bhagavadapadaji, We agree on the Ascendant and your reading is very insightful. I've gone with the Professor's interpretation of the TOB being the midnight between the 4th and 5th vs the 5th and 6th. The Swami did manage to rise to good status and has been engaged in religion (LO1 in 9, nice and clear). If the 5-6 midnight were the correct one, I would have serious doubts about his long life and would have expected serious accidents to him via the exact affliction to the Sun, significator of the self and the Moon, LO1, by the MMP Sa. Also in the earlier chart, Ra/Ra period would be running. With Ra in th 3H granting a courage in abundance, likely close to the MEP, with the LO8 conj the spiritual Sun, we see great mischief in religion, income, 7H, the self and abrupt behaviour. If my reading is correct, then there was no lifetime of remedial measures, rather a lifetime of mischief. Anyways, If we are wrong or right, my prayers for betterment are for all who are involved and suffering. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA " <sankara <SAMVA > Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:50 AM Swami's chart - SA analysis Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and List Members, Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the sequel. Have I missed something important? Best regards, S. Bhagavadpada. Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. Comments on TSE - Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. If we go by the TOB given in the Swami's website, rather than by the rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the raison d'etre for such a malefic TSE. 'Necessary Conditions' in the natal chart: 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces is also 'behind the scenes' sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage in life. 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the natal chart, is placed in the VH of 'love in expression', but in the dreaded sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another 'necessary condition' for the rape TSE. 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of 'Artha & Kama' and moving into the spiritual sphere of 'Dharma' [spiritual life] lies in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to the Asdt & the VH. 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & magnified, creates another 'necessary condition' for the reputation to be tarnished in the life to come. 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another 'necessary condition', for 'love in expression' going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian influence in Scorpio. With so many 'necessary conditions' in the natal chart, it should not be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, 'coming into synchronous play' and cashing in on the above 'necessary conditions'; in their clinching role as'sufficient conditions' and thereby serving to bring to fructification, the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the dormant form of the 'necessary conditions'. 'Sufficient Conditions' on May 20th: 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running - not a good augury at all considering the MMP's affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by Ra's affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. 2. Tr Ve, the 'female planet' was moving through the XIIH, coming into exact mutual aspect with the 'male planet' of passion, Ma, that too in the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from natal Ra. 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the wilful energy of Ju. The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for which 'the seeds' were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the 'necessary conditions'. Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex happenings in man's life. ------------------------------- - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Dear Professor, Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The potential is seen clearly through this data. I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the 5th, which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present by the much stronger LO2. " || this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5, 1922, ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I | have ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act " So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by the latter data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an 85 year old man has the physical capacity to perform such. If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant changes to Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly conj the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra period which can clearly give imprisonment etc. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha <SAMVA > Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Hello dear Vyas, I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. But in that chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of reputation as per the actions characterised by Rahu. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details | Dear Professor, | | I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, LMT -05:27. 20:07 | Gemini. | | -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. Ke's conj is | wide to it. | -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo influence. There | was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars. | | Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's rectified chart | could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks. | | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | | - | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | <SAMVA > | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - | birth details | | | Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as usual. | | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | | - | <siha | <SAMVA > | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - | birth details | | | | Hello dear Vyas, | | The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon. | | Best wishes. | | | | - | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - | birth details | | || Dear Professor, || || Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly placed || Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other factors? || || || Best regards, || || Vyas Munidas || || || - || <siha || <SAMVA > || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM || Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - || birth details || || || || Hello dear Vyas, || || Seems so. || || || || - || " Vyas Munidas " <muni> || <SAMVA > || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM || - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - | birth || details || || ||| Dear Professor, ||| ||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence? ||| ||| ||| Best regards, ||| ||| Vyas Munidas ||| ||| ||| - ||| " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech ||| <SAMVA > ||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM ||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details ||| ||| ||| Dear List: ||| ||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of age has | been ||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese women. || From ||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5, 1922, ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I | have ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act || is ||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, and Rahu || was ||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put | everything ||| together so easily. ||| ||| Raj Chadha ||| ||| ||| ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who ||| knows. ||| Answers - Check it out. ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Sri Sankara Bhagavadpada, Namasthe. Thank you very much for the excellent SA analysis provided by you for swamy's chart. I have a doubt. In his chart, the 6L jupiter is afflicting all the moksha houses(4,8 & 12). In such case,will it hinder the spiritual progress of a person (Despite of the fact that, the afflicting planet is a spiritual planet as Jupiter)? Thanking you in advance for your valuable time. Best Regards Balaji --- SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara wrote: > Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , > Sri Chadhaji and List Members, > > Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE > around the Swami in Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the > rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the website > TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to > get marvellous insights into the TSE, through the > SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the sequel. > Have I missed something important? > > Best regards, > > S. Bhagavadpada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments on TSE - Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. > > If we go by the TOB given in the Swami's website, > rather than by the rectified time given by Chadhaji, > we get very good SA insights into the raison d'etre > for such a malefic TSE. > > 'Necessary Conditions' in the natal chart: > > 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we > see the Asdt lord, the Mo, suffering an exact > affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in the sign > Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & > magnified. Pisces is also 'behind the scenes' sign > and thus we see, a necessary condition, already > present in the natal chart and thereby making room > for both dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust > driven activities, at some later stage in life. > > 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH > of emotion in the natal chart, is placed in the VH > of 'love in expression', but in the dreaded sign > Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction > from the violent planet Ke which is known to act > suddenly. This is another 'necessary condition' for > the rape TSE. > > 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the > spheres of 'Artha & Kama' and moving into the > spiritual sphere of 'Dharma' [spiritual life] lies > in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the > II. Here the FM Ju, afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as > well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage Hs, > except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise > afflicted. Another compelling reason for > renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH > to the Asdt & the VH. > > 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa > and that too in the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all > afflictions are intensified & magnified, creates > another 'necessary condition' for the reputation to > be tarnished in the life to come. > > 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction > from Ra in D-9, in its condition of deb therein, in > the sign Scorpio. Another 'necessary condition', for > 'love in expression' going wrong, on account of the > Rahuvian influence in Scorpio. > > > > With so many 'necessary conditions' in the natal > chart, it should not be surprising that such a > malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May 20th. > On this day, there were other TSEs, 'coming into > synchronous play' and cashing in on the above > 'necessary conditions'; in their clinching role > as'sufficient conditions' and thereby serving to > bring to fructification, the ugly event, whose seeds > were already present in the natal chart, in the > dormant form of the 'necessary conditions'. > > > > 'Sufficient Conditions' on May 20th: > > 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running - not a good > augury at all considering the MMP's affliction to > the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by Ra's > affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. > > 2. Tr Ve, the 'female planet' was moving through > the XIIH, coming into exact mutual aspect with the > 'male planet' of passion, Ma, that too in the XIIH. > Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic > VIIIH, threw its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, > thereby intensifying sensual craving. > > 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another > deadly affliction , from the MMP Sa, in the natal > chart, through its 10th aspect. > > 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an > exact affliction from natal Ra. > > 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet > of initiatives in the sign Taurus, thus propelling > the initiatives with the fire energy & the wilful > energy of Ju. > > > > The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the > ugly event, for which 'the seeds' were sown in the > natal chart itself, in the form of the 'necessary > conditions'. > > > > Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life > energies, represented by the planets have not been > raised to higher levels through remedial measures, > performed over a long period of time. We owe it to > for having given us such a profound > understanding into the complex happenings in man's > life. > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > - > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA > Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM > Re: - Swami 85 > arrested in Trinidad - birth details > > > Dear Professor, > > Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 > and 6th. The potential is > seen clearly through this data. > > I had the impression from the RC's email that it > was 11:15 pm on the 5th, > which does not show the affliction and such > potential isn't present by the > much stronger LO2. > > " || this swami's website I have gathered the birth > details. DOB: Oct 5, > 1922, > ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. > From his life history I > | have > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear ShankaraJi:Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of age. You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all of the above.And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal.ThanksRaj ChadhaSANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara wrote: Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and List Members, Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the sequel. Have I missed something important? Best regards, S. Bhagavadpada. Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. Comments on TSE – Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. If we go by the TOB given in the Swami’s website, rather than by the rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the raison d’etre for such a malefic TSE. ‘Necessary Conditions’ in the natal chart: 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces is also ‘behind the scenes’ sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage in life. 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the natal chart, is placed in the VH of ‘love in expression’, but in the dreaded sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another ‘necessary condition’ for the rape TSE. 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of ‘Artha & Kama’ and moving into the spiritual sphere of ‘Dharma’ [spiritual life] lies in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to the Asdt & the VH. 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & magnified, creates another ‘necessary condition’ for the reputation to be tarnished in the life to come. 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another ‘necessary condition’, for ‘love in expression’ going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian influence in Scorpio. With so many ‘necessary conditions’ in the natal chart, it should not be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, ‘coming into synchronous play’ and cashing in on the above ‘necessary conditions’; in their clinching role as‘sufficient conditions’ and thereby serving to bring to fructification, the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the dormant form of the ‘necessary conditions’. ‘Sufficient Conditions’ on May 20th: 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running – not a good augury at all considering the MMP’s affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by Ra’s affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. 2. Tr Ve, the ‘female planet’ was moving through the XIIH, coming into exact mutual aspect with the ‘male planet’ of passion, Ma, that too in the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from natal Ra. 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the wilful energy of Ju. The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for which ‘the seeds’ were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the ‘necessary conditions’. Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex happenings in man’s life. ------------------------------- - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Dear Professor,Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The potential is seen clearly through this data.I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the 5th, which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present by the much stronger LO2."|| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act"So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by the latter data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an 85 year old man has the physical capacity to perform such.If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant changes to Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly conj the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra period which can clearly give imprisonment etc.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth detailsHello dear Vyas,I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. But inthat chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of reputationas per the actions characterised by Rahu.Best wishes.----- Original Message ----- "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -birth details| Dear Professor,|| I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, LMT -05:27. 20:07| Gemini.|| -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. Ke's conjis| wide to it.| -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo influence. There| was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars.|| Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's rectifiedchart| could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details||| Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as usual.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Hello dear Vyas,|| The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon.|| Best wishes.|| || - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Dear Professor,|||| Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly placed|| Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other factors?|||||| Best regards,|||| Vyas Munidas|||||| - || <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM|| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -|| birth details|||||||| Hello dear Vyas,|||| Seems so.|||| |||| - || "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM|| - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth|| details||||||| Dear Professor,|||||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence?||||||||| Best regards,|||||| Vyas Munidas||||||||| - ||| "Raj Cgadha" <rkctech >||| <SAMVA >||| Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details||||||||| Dear List:|||||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of age has| been||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese women.|| From||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act|| is||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, and Rahu|| was||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put| everything||| together so easily.|||||| Raj Chadha||||||||| ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who||| knows.||| Answers - Check it out.||||||||||||||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I did not realize we were talking about THE Kirpaluji Maharaj. I am quite shocked that such a serious allegation would be initiated against him. Although I personally do not follow him, he does have QUITE some wealth and opulence. A few months ago when I was in vrndavan, I saw a HUGE temple in construction that is supposed to be his. I think it is bigger than many temples in braj area. Apparently he has gotten siddhi from doing much mantra japa and tapasya. However, judging by his 'manifestations' of various Bhavas displayed in his temple in Barsana, I do not find these allegations hard to believe, especially in this Kali Yuga. Claiming to have the same Bhavas which only Radharani herself has certainly qualifies him as Sahajiya. From a logical perspective however, he is quite senior in age, and perhaps this is the one factor that may save him. Where may we find updates on the case? Curious to know. Also would like to know the rectified chart. Some tips, he does have very opulent temples, most well known is the rangili mahal in barsana. He somehow acquires HUGE amounts of marble for his temple construction. He does have MANY followers, and is also reputed to be quite a prolific poet and writer in the braj/hindi languages. Please forgive me if I offended anyone in this post. adasRaj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: Dear ShankaraJi:Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of age. You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all of the above.And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal.ThanksRaj ChadhaSANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara (AT) hinduworldastrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and List Members, Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the sequel. Have I missed something important? Best regards, S. Bhagavadpada. Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. Comments on TSE – Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. If we go by the TOB given in the Swami’s website, rather than by the rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the raison d’etre for such a malefic TSE. ‘Necessary Conditions’ in the natal chart: 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces is also ‘behind the scenes’ sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage in life. 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the natal chart, is placed in the VH of ‘love in expression’, but in the dreaded sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another ‘necessary condition’ for the rape TSE. 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of ‘Artha & Kama’ and moving into the spiritual sphere of ‘Dharma’ [spiritual life] lies in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to the Asdt & the VH. 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & magnified, creates another ‘necessary condition’ for the reputation to be tarnished in the life to come. 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another ‘necessary condition’, for ‘love in expression’ going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian influence in Scorpio. With so many ‘necessary conditions’ in the natal chart, it should not be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, ‘coming into synchronous play’ and cashing in on the above ‘necessary conditions’; in their clinching role as‘sufficient conditions’ and thereby serving to bring to fructification, the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the dormant form of the ‘necessary conditions’. ‘Sufficient Conditions’ on May 20th: 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running – not a good augury at all considering the MMP’s affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by Ra’s affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. 2. Tr Ve, the ‘female planet’ was moving through the XIIH, coming into exact mutual aspect with the ‘male planet’ of passion, Ma, that too in the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from natal Ra. 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the wilful energy of Ju. The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for which ‘the seeds’ were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the ‘necessary conditions’. Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex happenings in man’s life. ------------------------------- - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Dear Professor,Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The potential is seen clearly through this data.I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the 5th, which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present by the much stronger LO2."|| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act"So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by the latter data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an 85 year old man has the physical capacity to perform such.If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant changes to Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly conj the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra period which can clearly give imprisonment etc.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth detailsHello dear Vyas,I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. But inthat chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of reputationas per the actions characterised by Rahu.Best wishes.- "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -birth details| Dear Professor,|| I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, LMT -05:27. 20:07| Gemini.|| -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. Ke's conjis| wide to it.| -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo influence. There| was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars.|| Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's rectifiedchart| could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details||| Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as usual.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Hello dear Vyas,|| The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon.|| Best wishes.|| || - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Dear Professor,|||| Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly placed|| Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other factors?|||||| Best regards,|||| Vyas Munidas|||||| - || <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM|| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -|| birth details|||||||| Hello dear Vyas,|||| Seems so.|||| |||| - || "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM|| - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth|| details||||||| Dear Professor,|||||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence?||||||||| Best regards,|||||| Vyas Munidas||||||||| - ||| "Raj Cgadha" <rkctech >||| <SAMVA >||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details||||||||| Dear List:|||||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of age has| been||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese women.|| From||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act|| is||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, and Rahu|| was||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put| everything||| together so easily.|||||| Raj Chadha||||||||| ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who||| knows.||| Answers - Check it out.||||||||||||||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Sri Chadhaji, Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble. You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact. Best Regards Sankara Bhagavadpada - Raj Cgadha SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Dear ShankaraJi:Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of age. You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all of the above.And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal.ThanksRaj ChadhaSANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara (AT) hinduworldastrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and List Members, Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the sequel. Have I missed something important? Best regards, S. Bhagavadpada. Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. Comments on TSE – Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. If we go by the TOB given in the Swami’s website, rather than by the rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the raison d’etre for such a malefic TSE. ‘Necessary Conditions’ in the natal chart: 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces is also ‘behind the scenes’ sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage in life. 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the natal chart, is placed in the VH of ‘love in expression’, but in the dreaded sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another ‘necessary condition’ for the rape TSE. 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of ‘Artha & Kama’ and moving into the spiritual sphere of ‘Dharma’ [spiritual life] lies in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to the Asdt & the VH. 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & magnified, creates another ‘necessary condition’ for the reputation to be tarnished in the life to come. 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another ‘necessary condition’, for ‘love in expression’ going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian influence in Scorpio. With so many ‘necessary conditions’ in the natal chart, it should not be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, ‘coming into synchronous play’ and cashing in on the above ‘necessary conditions’; in their clinching role as‘sufficient conditions’ and thereby serving to bring to fructification, the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the dormant form of the ‘necessary conditions’. ‘Sufficient Conditions’ on May 20th: 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running – not a good augury at all considering the MMP’s affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by Ra’s affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. 2. Tr Ve, the ‘female planet’ was moving through the XIIH, coming into exact mutual aspect with the ‘male planet’ of passion, Ma, that too in the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from natal Ra. 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the wilful energy of Ju. The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for which ‘the seeds’ were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the ‘necessary conditions’. Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex happenings in man’s life. ------------------------------- - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Dear Professor,Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The potential is seen clearly through this data.I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the 5th, which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present by the much stronger LO2."|| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act"So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by the latter data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an 85 year old man has the physical capacity to perform such.If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant changes to Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly conj the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra period which can clearly give imprisonment etc.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth detailsHello dear Vyas,I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. But inthat chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of reputationas per the actions characterised by Rahu.Best wishes.- "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -birth details| Dear Professor,|| I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, LMT -05:27. 20:07| Gemini.|| -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. Ke's conjis| wide to it.| -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo influence. There| was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars.|| Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's rectifiedchart| could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details||| Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as usual.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Hello dear Vyas,|| The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon.|| Best wishes.|| || - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Dear Professor,|||| Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly placed|| Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other factors?|||||| Best regards,|||| Vyas Munidas|||||| - || <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM|| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -|| birth details|||||||| Hello dear Vyas,|||| Seems so.|||| |||| - || "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM|| - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth|| details||||||| Dear Professor,|||||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence?||||||||| Best regards,|||||| Vyas Munidas||||||||| - ||| "Raj Cgadha" <rkctech >||| <SAMVA >||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details||||||||| Dear List:|||||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of age has| been||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese women.|| From||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act|| is||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, and Rahu|| was||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put| everything||| together so easily.|||||| Raj Chadha||||||||| ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who||| knows.||| Answers - Check it out.||||||||||||||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Hello dear Mr. Chadha, Mr. Vyas and Dr. Sankarabhagavadpada, In this case the right ascendant appears to be Gemini. In gemini chart the conjunction of the Sun and the ninth lord explains involvement in religious/spiritual matters. As per the rectification made by Mr. Chadha the close impact of Mars on the seventh, tenth, first and second house also appears to become contributory. The mutual aspect of the second lord with the third and ninth lords indicates the level of attainments made by him in his work in his own country and foreign lands. The problems caused are due to the placement of Venus in the sixth house and the influence being passed on to other planets, as well. Best wishes. - SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA SAMVA Friday, May 25, 2007 5:57 AM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Dear Sri Chadhaji, Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble. You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact. Best Regards Sankara Bhagavadpada - Raj Cgadha SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Dear ShankaraJi:Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of age. You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all of the above.And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal.ThanksRaj ChadhaSANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara (AT) hinduworldastrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and List Members, Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the sequel. Have I missed something important? Best regards, S. Bhagavadpada. Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. Comments on TSE – Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. If we go by the TOB given in the Swami’s website, rather than by the rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the raison d’etre for such a malefic TSE. ‘Necessary Conditions’ in the natal chart: 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces is also ‘behind the scenes’ sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage in life. 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the natal chart, is placed in the VH of ‘love in expression’, but in the dreaded sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another ‘necessary condition’ for the rape TSE. 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of ‘Artha & Kama’ and moving into the spiritual sphere of ‘Dharma’ [spiritual life] lies in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to the Asdt & the VH. 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & magnified, creates another ‘necessary condition’ for the reputation to be tarnished in the life to come. 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another ‘necessary condition’, for ‘love in expression’ going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian influence in Scorpio. With so many ‘necessary conditions’ in the natal chart, it should not be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, ‘coming into synchronous play’ and cashing in on the above ‘necessary conditions’; in their clinching role as‘sufficient conditions’ and thereby serving to bring to fructification, the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the dormant form of the ‘necessary conditions’. ‘Sufficient Conditions’ on May 20th: 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running – not a good augury at all considering the MMP’s affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by Ra’s affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. 2. Tr Ve, the ‘female planet’ was moving through the XIIH, coming into exact mutual aspect with the ‘male planet’ of passion, Ma, that too in the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from natal Ra. 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the wilful energy of Ju. The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for which ‘the seeds’ were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the ‘necessary conditions’. Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex happenings in man’s life. ------------------------------- - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Dear Professor,Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The potential is seen clearly through this data.I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the 5th, which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present by the much stronger LO2."|| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act"So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by the latter data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an 85 year old man has the physical capacity to perform such.If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant changes to Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly conj the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra period which can clearly give imprisonment etc.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth detailsHello dear Vyas,I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. But inthat chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of reputationas per the actions characterised by Rahu.Best wishes.- "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -birth details| Dear Professor,|| I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, LMT -05:27. 20:07| Gemini.|| -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. Ke's conjis| wide to it.| -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo influence. There| was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars.|| Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's rectifiedchart| could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details||| Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as usual.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Hello dear Vyas,|| The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon.|| Best wishes.|| || - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Dear Professor,|||| Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly placed|| Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other factors?|||||| Best regards,|||| Vyas Munidas|||||| - || <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM|| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -|| birth details|||||||| Hello dear Vyas,|||| Seems so.|||| |||| - || "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM|| - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth|| details||||||| Dear Professor,|||||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence?||||||||| Best regards,|||||| Vyas Munidas||||||||| - ||| "Raj Cgadha" <rkctech >||| <SAMVA >||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details||||||||| Dear List:|||||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of age has| been||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese women.|| From||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act|| is||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, and Rahu|| was||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put| everything||| together so easily.|||||| Raj Chadha||||||||| ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who||| knows.||| Answers - Check it out.||||||||||||||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Professor, Thank you. I also assumed that he was a sanyassi. My initial look was at a Gemini Asc proposed by Mr Cgadha. The impression that I got from that chart, was that the weakness of Venus was the main factor for the trouble - hence my question. This earlier chart (I assume) has the added element of the Moon-Ketu close conjunction. Just so that we're all on the same page now, what chart data are you using? Adjusted to Gemini, I am using: Oct 5, 1922, Allahabad, -05:27 LMT Time: 00:01 Asc Gem 29:20 And the final question on this - with the suspected chart data in your hands, is it likely that such incident has taken place on the night of May 20th? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha <SAMVA > Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:06 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Hello dear Mr. Chadha, Mr. Vyas and Dr. Sankarabhagavadpada, In this case the right ascendant appears to be Gemini. In gemini chart the conjunction of the Sun and the ninth lord explains involvement in religious/spiritual matters. As per the rectification made by Mr. Chadha the close impact of Mars on the seventh, tenth, first and second house also appears to become contributory. The mutual aspect of the second lord with the third and ninth lords indicates the level of attainments made by him in his work in his own country and foreign lands. The problems caused are due to the placement of Venus in the sixth house and the influence being passed on to other planets, as well. Best wishes. - SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA SAMVA Friday, May 25, 2007 5:57 AM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Dear Sri Chadhaji, Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble. You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact. Best Regards Sankara Bhagavadpada - Raj Cgadha SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Dear ShankaraJi: Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of age. You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all of the above. And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal. Thanks Raj Chadha SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara wrote: Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and List Members, Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the sequel. Have I missed something important? Best regards, S. Bhagavadpada. Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. Comments on TSE - Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. If we go by the TOB given in the Swami's website, rather than by the rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the raison d'etre for such a malefic TSE. 'Necessary Conditions' in the natal chart: 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces is also 'behind the scenes' sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage in life. 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the natal chart, is placed in the VH of 'love in expression', but in the dreaded sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another 'necessary condition' for the rape TSE. 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of 'Artha & Kama' and moving into the spiritual sphere of 'Dharma' [spiritual life] lies in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to the Asdt & the VH. 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & magnified, creates another 'necessary condition' for the reputation to be tarnished in the life to come. 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another 'necessary condition', for 'love in expression' going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian influence in Scorpio. With so many 'necessary conditions' in the natal chart, it should not be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, 'coming into synchronous play' and cashing in on the above 'necessary conditions'; in their clinching role as'sufficient conditions' and thereby serving to bring to fructification, the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the dormant form of the 'necessary conditions'. 'Sufficient Conditions' on May 20th: 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running - not a good augury at all considering the MMP's affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by Ra's affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. 2. Tr Ve, the 'female planet' was moving through the XIIH, coming into exact mutual aspect with the 'male planet' of passion, Ma, that too in the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from natal Ra. 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the wilful energy of Ju. The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for which 'the seeds' were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the 'necessary conditions'. Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex happenings in man's life. ------------------------------- - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Dear Professor, Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The potential is seen clearly through this data. I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the 5th, which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present by the much stronger LO2. " || this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5, 1922, ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I | have ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act " So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by the latter data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an 85 year old man has the physical capacity to perform such. If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant changes to Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly conj the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra period which can clearly give imprisonment etc. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha <SAMVA > Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Hello dear Vyas, I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. But in that chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of reputation as per the actions characterised by Rahu. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details | Dear Professor, | | I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, LMT -05:27. 20:07 | Gemini. | | -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. Ke's conj is | wide to it. | -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo influence. There | was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars. | | Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's rectified chart | could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks. | | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | | - | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | <SAMVA > | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - | birth details | | | Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as usual. | | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | | - | <siha | <SAMVA > | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - | birth details | | | | Hello dear Vyas, | | The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon. | | Best wishes. | | | | - | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - | birth details | | || Dear Professor, || || Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly placed || Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other factors? || || || Best regards, || || Vyas Munidas || || || - || <siha || <SAMVA > || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM || Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - || birth details || || || || Hello dear Vyas, || || Seems so. || || || || - || " Vyas Munidas " <muni> || <SAMVA > || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM || - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - | birth || details || || ||| Dear Professor, ||| ||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence? ||| ||| ||| Best regards, ||| ||| Vyas Munidas ||| ||| ||| - ||| " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech ||| <SAMVA > ||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM ||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details ||| ||| ||| Dear List: ||| ||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of age has | been ||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese women. || From ||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5, 1922, ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I | have ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act || is ||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, and Rahu || was ||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put | everything ||| together so easily. ||| ||| Raj Chadha ||| ||| ||| ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who ||| knows. ||| Answers - Check it out. ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Hello dear Vyas, Now there are three scenarios: 1. Chart as rectified by Mr. Chadha. 2. Midnight chart for 5th and 6th October, 1922, night. 3. Midnight chart for 4th and 5th October, 1922, night. In case of 1st case the Swamiji may be in deep trouble. In 2nd case the Swamiji may come out of the trouble early. In 3rd case the Swamiji may be in deep trouble. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Friday, May 25, 2007 5:11 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | Dear Professor, | | Thank you. I also assumed that he was a sanyassi. My initial look was at a | Gemini Asc proposed by Mr Cgadha. The impression that I got from that chart, | was that the weakness of Venus was the main factor for the trouble - hence | my question. This earlier chart (I assume) has the added element of the | Moon-Ketu close conjunction. | | Just so that we're all on the same page now, what chart data are you using? | | Adjusted to Gemini, I am using: | | Oct 5, 1922, Allahabad, | -05:27 LMT | Time: 00:01 | Asc Gem 29:20 | | And the final question on this - with the suspected chart data in your | hands, is it likely that such incident has taken place on the night of May | 20th? | | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | | - | <siha | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:06 PM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | | Hello dear Mr. Chadha, Mr. Vyas and Dr. Sankarabhagavadpada, | | In this case the right ascendant appears to be Gemini. In gemini chart the | conjunction of the Sun and the ninth lord explains involvement in | religious/spiritual matters. As per the rectification made by Mr. Chadha the | close impact of Mars on the seventh, tenth, first and second house also | appears to become contributory. The mutual aspect of the second lord with | the third and ninth lords indicates the level of attainments made by him in | his work in his own country and foreign lands. The problems caused are due | to the placement of Venus in the sixth house and the influence being passed | on to other planets, as well. | | Best wishes. | | | | | | - | SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA | SAMVA | Friday, May 25, 2007 5:57 AM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | Dear Sri Chadhaji, | | Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of | your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was | the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH | and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such | afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual | potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble. | | You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like | to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again | with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while | the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also | the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes | him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the | power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact. | | Best Regards | Sankara Bhagavadpada | | | - | Raj Cgadha | SAMVA | Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | Dear ShankaraJi: | | Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you | account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big | organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated | followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built | asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and | have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He | also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of | age. | | You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should | account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L | and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all | of the above. | And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, | as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal. | | Thanks | | Raj Chadha | | SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara wrote: | | Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and | List Members, | | Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in | Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the | website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous | insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the | sequel. Have I missed something important? | | Best regards, | | S. Bhagavadpada. | | | | | | | | | | Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. | Comments on TSE - Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. | If we go by the TOB given in the Swami's website, rather than by the | rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the | raison d'etre for such a malefic TSE. | 'Necessary Conditions' in the natal chart: | 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt | lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in | the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces | is also 'behind the scenes' sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, | already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both | dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage | in life. | 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the | natal chart, is placed in the VH of 'love in expression', but in the dreaded | sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent | planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another 'necessary | condition' for the rape TSE. | 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of 'Artha & | Kama' and moving into the spiritual sphere of 'Dharma' [spiritual life] lies | in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, | afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage | Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another | compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to | the Asdt & the VH. | 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in | the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & | magnified, creates another 'necessary condition' for the reputation to be | tarnished in the life to come. | 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in | its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another 'necessary | condition', for 'love in expression' going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian | influence in Scorpio. | With so many 'necessary conditions' in the natal chart, it should not | be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May | 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, 'coming into synchronous play' and | cashing in on the above 'necessary conditions'; in their clinching role | as'sufficient conditions' and thereby serving to bring to fructification, | the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the | dormant form of the 'necessary conditions'. | 'Sufficient Conditions' on May 20th: | 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running - not a good augury at all | considering the MMP's affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by | Ra's affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. | 2. Tr Ve, the 'female planet' was moving through the XIIH, coming | into exact mutual aspect with the 'male planet' of passion, Ma, that too in | the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw | its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. | 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , | from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. | 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from | natal Ra. | 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in | the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the | wilful energy of Ju. | The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for | which 'the seeds' were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the | 'necessary conditions'. | Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented | by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial | measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to Prof. Choudhry | for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex | happenings in man's life. | ------------------------------- | | | | - | Vyas Munidas | SAMVA | Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - birth details | | | Dear Professor, | | Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The | potential is | seen clearly through this data. | | I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the | 5th, | which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present | by the | much stronger LO2. | | " || this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct | 5, | 1922, | ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life | history I | | have | ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when | this | act " | | So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by | the latter | data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an | 85 year | old man has the physical capacity to perform such. | | If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant | changes to | Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly | conj | the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra | period | which can clearly give imprisonment etc. | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | - | <siha | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | birth details | | Hello dear Vyas, | | I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. | But in | that chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of | reputation | as per the actions characterised by Rahu. | | Best wishes. | | | | - | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | birth details | | | Dear Professor, | | | | I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, | LMT -05:27. 20:07 | | Gemini. | | | | -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. | Ke's conj | is | | wide to it. | | -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo | influence. There | | was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars. | | | | Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's | rectified | chart | | could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks. | | | | | | Best regards, | | | | Vyas Munidas | | | | | | - | | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | | <SAMVA > | | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | | Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as | usual. | | | | | | Best regards, | | | | Vyas Munidas | | | | | | - | | <siha | | <SAMVA > | | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | | | | Hello dear Vyas, | | | | The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon. | | | | Best wishes. | | | | | | | | - | | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | | <SAMVA > | | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | || Dear Professor, | || | || Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly | placed | || Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other | factors? | || | || | || Best regards, | || | || Vyas Munidas | || | || | || - | || <siha | || <SAMVA > | || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM | || Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | || birth details | || | || | || | || Hello dear Vyas, | || | || Seems so. | || | || | || | || - | || " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | || <SAMVA > | || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM | || - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth | || details | || | || | ||| Dear Professor, | ||| | ||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence? | ||| | ||| | ||| Best regards, | ||| | ||| Vyas Munidas | ||| | ||| | ||| - | ||| " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech | ||| <SAMVA > | ||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM | ||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details | ||| | ||| | ||| Dear List: | ||| | ||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of | age has | | been | ||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese | women. | || From | ||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct | 5, | 1922, | ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life | history I | | have | ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when | this act | || is | ||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, | and Rahu | || was | ||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put | | everything | ||| together so easily. | ||| | ||| Raj Chadha | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from | someone who | ||| knows. | ||| Answers - Check it out. | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Professor, Thank you for the very quickly delivered and clear answers! Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha <SAMVA > Friday, May 25, 2007 8:26 AM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Hello dear Vyas, Now there are three scenarios: 1. Chart as rectified by Mr. Chadha. 2. Midnight chart for 5th and 6th October, 1922, night. 3. Midnight chart for 4th and 5th October, 1922, night. In case of 1st case the Swamiji may be in deep trouble. In 2nd case the Swamiji may come out of the trouble early. In 3rd case the Swamiji may be in deep trouble. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Friday, May 25, 2007 5:11 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | Dear Professor, | | Thank you. I also assumed that he was a sanyassi. My initial look was at a | Gemini Asc proposed by Mr Cgadha. The impression that I got from that chart, | was that the weakness of Venus was the main factor for the trouble - hence | my question. This earlier chart (I assume) has the added element of the | Moon-Ketu close conjunction. | | Just so that we're all on the same page now, what chart data are you using? | | Adjusted to Gemini, I am using: | | Oct 5, 1922, Allahabad, | -05:27 LMT | Time: 00:01 | Asc Gem 29:20 | | And the final question on this - with the suspected chart data in your | hands, is it likely that such incident has taken place on the night of May | 20th? | | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | | - | <siha | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:06 PM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | | Hello dear Mr. Chadha, Mr. Vyas and Dr. Sankarabhagavadpada, | | In this case the right ascendant appears to be Gemini. In gemini chart the | conjunction of the Sun and the ninth lord explains involvement in | religious/spiritual matters. As per the rectification made by Mr. Chadha the | close impact of Mars on the seventh, tenth, first and second house also | appears to become contributory. The mutual aspect of the second lord with | the third and ninth lords indicates the level of attainments made by him in | his work in his own country and foreign lands. The problems caused are due | to the placement of Venus in the sixth house and the influence being passed | on to other planets, as well. | | Best wishes. | | | | | | - | SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA | SAMVA | Friday, May 25, 2007 5:57 AM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | Dear Sri Chadhaji, | | Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of | your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was | the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH | and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such | afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual | potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble. | | You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like | to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again | with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while | the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also | the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes | him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the | power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact. | | Best Regards | Sankara Bhagavadpada | | | - | Raj Cgadha | SAMVA | Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | Dear ShankaraJi: | | Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you | account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big | organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated | followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built | asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and | have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He | also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of | age. | | You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should | account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L | and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all | of the above. | And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, | as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal. | | Thanks | | Raj Chadha | | SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara wrote: | | Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and | List Members, | | Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in | Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the | website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous | insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the | sequel. Have I missed something important? | | Best regards, | | S. Bhagavadpada. | | | | | | | | | | Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. | Comments on TSE - Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. | If we go by the TOB given in the Swami's website, rather than by the | rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the | raison d'etre for such a malefic TSE. | 'Necessary Conditions' in the natal chart: | 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt | lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in | the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces | is also 'behind the scenes' sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, | already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both | dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage | in life. | 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the | natal chart, is placed in the VH of 'love in expression', but in the dreaded | sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent | planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another 'necessary | condition' for the rape TSE. | 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of 'Artha & | Kama' and moving into the spiritual sphere of 'Dharma' [spiritual life] lies | in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, | afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage | Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another | compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to | the Asdt & the VH. | 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in | the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & | magnified, creates another 'necessary condition' for the reputation to be | tarnished in the life to come. | 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in | its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another 'necessary | condition', for 'love in expression' going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian | influence in Scorpio. | With so many 'necessary conditions' in the natal chart, it should not | be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May | 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, 'coming into synchronous play' and | cashing in on the above 'necessary conditions'; in their clinching role | as'sufficient conditions' and thereby serving to bring to fructification, | the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the | dormant form of the 'necessary conditions'. | 'Sufficient Conditions' on May 20th: | 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running - not a good augury at all | considering the MMP's affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by | Ra's affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. | 2. Tr Ve, the 'female planet' was moving through the XIIH, coming | into exact mutual aspect with the 'male planet' of passion, Ma, that too in | the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw | its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. | 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , | from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. | 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from | natal Ra. | 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in | the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the | wilful energy of Ju. | The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for | which 'the seeds' were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the | 'necessary conditions'. | Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented | by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial | measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to Prof. Choudhry | for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex | happenings in man's life. | ------------------------------- | | | | - | Vyas Munidas | SAMVA | Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - birth details | | | Dear Professor, | | Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The | potential is | seen clearly through this data. | | I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the | 5th, | which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present | by the | much stronger LO2. | | " || this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct | 5, | 1922, | ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life | history I | | have | ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when | this | act " | | So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by | the latter | data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an | 85 year | old man has the physical capacity to perform such. | | If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant | changes to | Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly | conj | the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra | period | which can clearly give imprisonment etc. | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | - | <siha | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | birth details | | Hello dear Vyas, | | I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. | But in | that chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of | reputation | as per the actions characterised by Rahu. | | Best wishes. | | | | - | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | birth details | | | Dear Professor, | | | | I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, | LMT -05:27. 20:07 | | Gemini. | | | | -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. | Ke's conj | is | | wide to it. | | -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo | influence. There | | was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars. | | | | Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's | rectified | chart | | could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks. | | | | | | Best regards, | | | | Vyas Munidas | | | | | | - | | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | | <SAMVA > | | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | | Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as | usual. | | | | | | Best regards, | | | | Vyas Munidas | | | | | | - | | <siha | | <SAMVA > | | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | | | | Hello dear Vyas, | | | | The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon. | | | | Best wishes. | | | | | | | | - | | " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | | <SAMVA > | | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | || Dear Professor, | || | || Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly | placed | || Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other | factors? | || | || | || Best regards, | || | || Vyas Munidas | || | || | || - | || <siha | || <SAMVA > | || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM | || Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | || birth details | || | || | || | || Hello dear Vyas, | || | || Seems so. | || | || | || | || - | || " Vyas Munidas " <muni> | || <SAMVA > | || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM | || - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth | || details | || | || | ||| Dear Professor, | ||| | ||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence? | ||| | ||| | ||| Best regards, | ||| | ||| Vyas Munidas | ||| | ||| | ||| - | ||| " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech | ||| <SAMVA > | ||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM | ||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details | ||| | ||| | ||| Dear List: | ||| | ||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of | age has | | been | ||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese | women. | || From | ||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct | 5, | 1922, | ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life | history I | | have | ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when | this act | || is | ||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, | and Rahu | || was | ||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put | | everything | ||| together so easily. | ||| | ||| Raj Chadha | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from | someone who | ||| knows. | ||| Answers - Check it out. | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Shankaraji:For more details on his life either Google "Kripalu maharaj news" or go tojkp.org/jagadguru_kripaluji/a_brief_life_history.htmStories of his sexual misadventures abound in Dayton, OH, and San Diego, CA.Since I live in San Diego, I have the first hand knowledge of activities of his organisation.In India, he was once imprisoned shortly, and once he escaped without apprehension.It is because of his staunch following, old age, enormous wealth, and influence in the places other than those two cities, he might escape. But if my rectification is correct, this would be difficult.Raj ChadhaSANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara wrote: Dear Sri Chadhaji, Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble. You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact. Best Regards Sankara Bhagavadpada - Raj Cgadha SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Dear ShankaraJi:Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of age. You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all of the above.And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal.ThanksRaj ChadhaSANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara (AT) hinduworldastrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and List Members, Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the sequel. Have I missed something important? Best regards, S. Bhagavadpada. Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. Comments on TSE – Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. If we go by the TOB given in the Swami’s website, rather than by the rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the raison d’etre for such a malefic TSE. ‘Necessary Conditions’ in the natal chart: 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces is also ‘behind the scenes’ sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage in life. 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the natal chart, is placed in the VH of ‘love in expression’, but in the dreaded sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another ‘necessary condition’ for the rape TSE. 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of ‘Artha & Kama’ and moving into the spiritual sphere of ‘Dharma’ [spiritual life] lies in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to the Asdt & the VH. 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & magnified, creates another ‘necessary condition’ for the reputation to be tarnished in the life to come. 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another ‘necessary condition’, for ‘love in expression’ going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian influence in Scorpio. With so many ‘necessary conditions’ in the natal chart, it should not be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, ‘coming into synchronous play’ and cashing in on the above ‘necessary conditions’; in their clinching role as‘sufficient conditions’ and thereby serving to bring to fructification, the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the dormant form of the ‘necessary conditions’. ‘Sufficient Conditions’ on May 20th: 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running – not a good augury at all considering the MMP’s affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by Ra’s affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. 2. Tr Ve, the ‘female planet’ was moving through the XIIH, coming into exact mutual aspect with the ‘male planet’ of passion, Ma, that too in the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from natal Ra. 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the wilful energy of Ju. The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for which ‘the seeds’ were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the ‘necessary conditions’. Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex happenings in man’s life. ------------------------------- - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details Dear Professor,Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The potential is seen clearly through this data.I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the 5th, which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present by the much stronger LO2."|| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act"So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by the latter data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an 85 year old man has the physical capacity to perform such.If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant changes to Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly conj the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra period which can clearly give imprisonment etc.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth detailsHello dear Vyas,I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. But inthat chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of reputationas per the actions characterised by Rahu.Best wishes.- "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com><SAMVA >Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AMRe: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -birth details| Dear Professor,|| I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, LMT -05:27. 20:07| Gemini.|| -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. Ke's conjis| wide to it.| -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo influence. There| was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars.|| Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's rectifiedchart| could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details||| Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as usual.||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Hello dear Vyas,|| The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon.|| Best wishes.|| || - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth details|||| Dear Professor,|||| Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly placed|| Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other factors?|||||| Best regards,|||| Vyas Munidas|||||| - || <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM|| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -|| birth details|||||||| Hello dear Vyas,|||| Seems so.|||| |||| - || "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>|| <SAMVA >|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM|| - Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad -| birth|| details||||||| Dear Professor,|||||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence?||||||||| Best regards,|||||| Vyas Munidas||||||||| - ||| "Raj Cgadha" <rkctech >||| <SAMVA >||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details||||||||| Dear List:|||||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of age has| been||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese women.|| From||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct 5,1922,||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life history I| have||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when this act|| is||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, and Rahu|| was||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put| everything||| together so easily.|||||| Raj Chadha||||||||| ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who||| knows.||| Answers - Check it out.||||||||||||||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Mr. Choudhry:Since the website says he was born on the night of Sharad-Purnima, the third scenario may not be likely. Could you please elaborate on how he will he come out trouble free if second secanrio is the case. This appears to be the most likely outcome because of his old age and enormous influence.ThanksRaj Chadhasiha wrote: Hello dear Vyas, Now there are three scenarios: 1. Chart as rectified by Mr. Chadha. 2. Midnight chart for 5th and 6th October, 1922, night. 3. Midnight chart for 4th and 5th October, 1922, night. In case of 1st case the Swamiji may be in deep trouble. In 2nd case the Swamiji may come out of the trouble early. In 3rd case the Swamiji may be in deep trouble. Best wishes. - "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> <SAMVA > Friday, May 25, 2007 5:11 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | Dear Professor, | | Thank you. I also assumed that he was a sanyassi. My initial look was at a | Gemini Asc proposed by Mr Cgadha. The impression that I got from that chart, | was that the weakness of Venus was the main factor for the trouble - hence | my question. This earlier chart (I assume) has the added element of the | Moon-Ketu close conjunction. | | Just so that we're all on the same page now, what chart data are you using? | | Adjusted to Gemini, I am using: | | Oct 5, 1922, Allahabad, | -05:27 LMT | Time: 00:01 | Asc Gem 29:20 | | And the final question on this - with the suspected chart data in your | hands, is it likely that such incident has taken place on the night of May | 20th? | | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | | - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com> | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:06 PM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | | Hello dear Mr. Chadha, Mr. Vyas and Dr. Sankarabhagavadpada, | | In this case the right ascendant appears to be Gemini. In gemini chart the | conjunction of the Sun and the ninth lord explains involvement in | religious/spiritual matters. As per the rectification made by Mr. Chadha the | close impact of Mars on the seventh, tenth, first and second house also | appears to become contributory. The mutual aspect of the second lord with | the third and ninth lords indicates the level of attainments made by him in | his work in his own country and foreign lands. The problems caused are due | to the placement of Venus in the sixth house and the influence being passed | on to other planets, as well. | | Best wishes. | | | | | | - | SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA | SAMVA | Friday, May 25, 2007 5:57 AM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | Dear Sri Chadhaji, | | Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of | your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was | the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH | and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such | afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual | potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble. | | You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like | to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again | with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while | the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also | the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes | him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the | power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact. | | Best Regards | Sankara Bhagavadpada | | | - | Raj Cgadha | SAMVA | Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM | Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis | | | Dear ShankaraJi: | | Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you | account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big | organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated | followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built | asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and | have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He | also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of | age. | | You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should | account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L | and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all | of the above. | And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20, | as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal. | | Thanks | | Raj Chadha | | SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara (AT) hinduworldastrology (DOT) net> wrote: | | Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and | List Members, | | Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in | Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the | website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous | insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the | sequel. Have I missed something important? | | Best regards, | | S. Bhagavadpada. | | | | | | | | | | Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007. | Comments on TSE - Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07. | If we go by the TOB given in the Swami's website, rather than by the | rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the | raison d'etre for such a malefic TSE. | 'Necessary Conditions' in the natal chart: | 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt | lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in | the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces | is also 'behind the scenes' sign and thus we see, a necessary condition, | already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both | dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage | in life. | 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the | natal chart, is placed in the VH of 'love in expression', but in the dreaded | sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent | planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another 'necessary | condition' for the rape TSE. | 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of 'Artha & | Kama' and moving into the spiritual sphere of 'Dharma' [spiritual life] lies | in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju, | afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage | Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another | compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to | the Asdt & the VH. | 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in | the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & | magnified, creates another 'necessary condition' for the reputation to be | tarnished in the life to come. | 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in | its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another 'necessary | condition', for 'love in expression' going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian | influence in Scorpio. | With so many 'necessary conditions' in the natal chart, it should not | be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May | 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, 'coming into synchronous play' and | cashing in on the above 'necessary conditions'; in their clinching role | as'sufficient conditions' and thereby serving to bring to fructification, | the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the | dormant form of the 'necessary conditions'. | 'Sufficient Conditions' on May 20th: | 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running - not a good augury at all | considering the MMP's affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by | Ra's affliction to the deb Mo in D-9. | 2. Tr Ve, the 'female planet' was moving through the XIIH, coming | into exact mutual aspect with the 'male planet' of passion, Ma, that too in | the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw | its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving. | 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction , | from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect. | 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from | natal Ra. | 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in | the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the | wilful energy of Ju. | The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for | which 'the seeds' were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the | 'necessary conditions'. | Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented | by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial | measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to Prof. Choudhry | for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex | happenings in man's life. | ------------------------- | | | | - | Vyas Munidas | SAMVA | Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - birth details | | | Dear Professor, | | Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The | potential is | seen clearly through this data. | | I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the | 5th, | which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present | by the | much stronger LO2. | | "|| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct | 5, | 1922, | ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life | history I | | have | ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when | this | act" | | So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by | the latter | data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an | 85 year | old man has the physical capacity to perform such. | | If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant | changes to | Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly | conj | the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra | period | which can clearly give imprisonment etc. | | Best regards, | | Vyas Munidas | | - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com> | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | birth details | | Hello dear Vyas, | | I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong. | But in | that chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of | reputation | as per the actions characterised by Rahu. | | Best wishes. | | | | - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> | <SAMVA > | Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AM | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | birth details | | | Dear Professor, | | | | I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15, | LMT -05:27. 20:07 | | Gemini. | | | | -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH. | Ke's conj | is | | wide to it. | | -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo | influence. There | | was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars. | | | | Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's | rectified | chart | | could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks. | | | | | | Best regards, | | | | Vyas Munidas | | | | | | - | | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> | | <SAMVA > | | Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | | Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as | usual. | | | | | | Best regards, | | | | Vyas Munidas | | | | | | - | | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com> | | <SAMVA > | | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | | | | Hello dear Vyas, | | | | The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon. | | | | Best wishes. | | | | | | | | - | | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> | | <SAMVA > | | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM | | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth details | | | | | || Dear Professor, | || | || Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly | placed | || Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other | factors? | || | || | || Best regards, | || | || Vyas Munidas | || | || | || ----- Original Message ----- | || <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com> | || <SAMVA > | || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM | || Re: - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | || birth details | || | || | || | || Hello dear Vyas, | || | || Seems so. | || | || | || | || - | || "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com> | || <SAMVA > | || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM | || - Swami 85 arrested in | Trinidad - | | birth | || details | || | || | ||| Dear Professor, | ||| | ||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence? | ||| | ||| | ||| Best regards, | ||| | ||| Vyas Munidas | ||| | ||| | ||| - | ||| "Raj Cgadha" <rkctech > | ||| <SAMVA > | ||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM | ||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details | ||| | ||| | ||| Dear List: | ||| | ||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of | age has | | been | ||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese | women. | || From | ||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct | 5, | 1922, | ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life | history I | | have | ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when | this act | || is | ||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP, | and Rahu | || was | ||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put | | everything | ||| together so easily. | ||| | ||| Raj Chadha | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from | someone who | ||| knows. | ||| Answers - Check it out. | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| | ||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Hello Mr. Chadha, Yes, Sharad Purnima means that the third possibility is out. In the 2nd case the role of transit influence seems to be greater and the transit situation has changed and the movement of the transit Sun out of the 12th house may make things easy for him. Best wishes. - Raj Cgadha SAMVA Friday, May 25, 2007 10:40 PM Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis Dear Mr. Choudhry:Since the website says he was born on the night of Sharad-Purnima, the third scenario may not be likely. Could you please elaborate on how he will he come out trouble free if second secanrio is the case. This appears to be the most likely outcome because of his old age and enormous influence.ThanksRaj Chadhasiha wrote: Hello dear Vyas,Now there are three scenarios:1. Chart as rectified by Mr. Chadha.2. Midnight chart for 5th and 6th October, 1922, night.3. Midnight chart for 4th and 5th October, 1922, night.In case of 1st case the Swamiji may be in deep trouble.In 2nd case the Swamiji may come out of the trouble early.In 3rd case the Swamiji may be in deep trouble.Best wishes.- "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com><SAMVA >Friday, May 25, 2007 5:11 PMRe: Swami's chart - SA analysis| Dear Professor,|| Thank you. I also assumed that he was a sanyassi. My initial look was at a| Gemini Asc proposed by Mr Cgadha. The impression that I got from that chart,| was that the weakness of Venus was the main factor for the trouble - hence| my question. This earlier chart (I assume) has the added element of the| Moon-Ketu close conjunction.|| Just so that we're all on the same page now, what chart data are you using?|| Adjusted to Gemini, I am using:|| Oct 5, 1922, Allahabad,| -05:27 LMT| Time: 00:01| Asc Gem 29:20|| And the final question on this - with the suspected chart data in your| hands, is it likely that such incident has taken place on the night of May| 20th?||| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas||| - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:06 PM| Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis|||| Hello dear Mr. Chadha, Mr. Vyas and Dr. Sankarabhagavadpada,|| In this case the right ascendant appears to be Gemini. In gemini chart the| conjunction of the Sun and the ninth lord explains involvement in| religious/spiritual matters. As per the rectification made by Mr. Chadha the| close impact of Mars on the seventh, tenth, first and second house also| appears to become contributory. The mutual aspect of the second lord with| the third and ninth lords indicates the level of attainments made by him in| his work in his own country and foreign lands. The problems caused are due| to the placement of Venus in the sixth house and the influence being passed| on to other planets, as well.|| Best wishes.|| |||| - | SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA| SAMVA | Friday, May 25, 2007 5:57 AM| Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis||| Dear Sri Chadhaji,|| Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of| your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was| the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH| and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such| afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual| potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble.|| You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like| to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again| with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while| the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also| the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes| him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the| power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact.|| Best Regards| Sankara Bhagavadpada||| - | Raj Cgadha| SAMVA | Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM| Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis||| Dear ShankaraJi:|| Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you| account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big| organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated| followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built| asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and| have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He| also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of| age.|| You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should| account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L| and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all| of the above.| And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20,| as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal.|| Thanks|| Raj Chadha|| SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara (AT) hinduworldastrology (DOT) net> wrote:|| Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and| List Members,|| Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in| Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the| website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous| insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the| sequel. Have I missed something important?|| Best regards,|| S. Bhagavadpada.|||||||||| Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007.| Comments on TSE - Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07.| If we go by the TOB given in the Swami's website, rather than by the| rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the| raison d'etre for such a malefic TSE.| 'Necessary Conditions' in the natal chart:| 1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt| lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in| the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces| is also 'behind the scenes' sign and thus we see, a necessary condition,| already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both| dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage| in life.| 2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the| natal chart, is placed in the VH of 'love in expression', but in the dreaded| sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent| planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another 'necessary| condition' for the rape TSE.| 3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of 'Artha & | Kama' and moving into the spiritual sphere of 'Dharma' [spiritual life] lies| in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju,| afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage| Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another| compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to| the Asdt & the VH.| 4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in| the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified & | magnified, creates another 'necessary condition' for the reputation to be| tarnished in the life to come.| 5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in| its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another 'necessary| condition', for 'love in expression' going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian| influence in Scorpio.| With so many 'necessary conditions' in the natal chart, it should not| be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May| 20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, 'coming into synchronous play' and| cashing in on the above 'necessary conditions'; in their clinching role| as'sufficient conditions' and thereby serving to bring to fructification,| the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the| dormant form of the 'necessary conditions'.| 'Sufficient Conditions' on May 20th:| 1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running - not a good augury at all| considering the MMP's affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by| Ra's affliction to the deb Mo in D-9.| 2. Tr Ve, the 'female planet' was moving through the XIIH, coming| into exact mutual aspect with the 'male planet' of passion, Ma, that too in| the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw| its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving.| 3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction ,| from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect.| 4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from| natal Ra.| 5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in| the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the| wilful energy of Ju.| The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for| which 'the seeds' were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the| 'necessary conditions'.| Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented| by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial| measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to | for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex| happenings in man's life.| -------------------------|||| - | Vyas Munidas| SAMVA | Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in| Trinidad - birth details||| Dear Professor,|| Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The| potential is| seen clearly through this data.|| I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the| 5th,| which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present| by the| much stronger LO2.|| "|| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct| 5,| 1922,| ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life| history I| | have| ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when| this| act"|| So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by| the latter| data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an| 85 year| old man has the physical capacity to perform such.|| If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant| changes to| Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly| conj| the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra| period| which can clearly give imprisonment etc.|| Best regards,|| Vyas Munidas|| - | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in| Trinidad -| birth details|| Hello dear Vyas,|| I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong.| But in| that chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of| reputation| as per the actions characterised by Rahu.|| Best wishes.|| || - | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| <SAMVA >| Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AM| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in| Trinidad -| birth details|| | Dear Professor,| || | I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15,| LMT -05:27. 20:07| | Gemini.| || | -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH.| Ke's conj| is| | wide to it.| | -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo| influence. There| | was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars.| || | Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's| rectified| chart| | could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks.| || || | Best regards,| || | Vyas Munidas| || || | - | | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| | <SAMVA >| | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM| | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in| Trinidad -| | birth details| || || | Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as| usual.| || || | Best regards,| || | Vyas Munidas| || || | - | | <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| | <SAMVA >| | Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM| | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in| Trinidad -| | birth details| || || || | Hello dear Vyas,| || | The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon.| || | Best wishes.| || | | || | - | | "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| | <SAMVA >| | Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM| | Re: - Swami 85 arrested in| Trinidad -| | birth details| || || || Dear Professor,| ||| || Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly| placed| || Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other| factors?| ||| ||| || Best regards,| ||| || Vyas Munidas| ||| ||| || - | || <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>| || <SAMVA >| || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM| || Re: - Swami 85 arrested in| Trinidad -| || birth details| ||| ||| ||| || Hello dear Vyas,| ||| || Seems so.| ||| || | ||| || - | || "Vyas Munidas" <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>| || <SAMVA >| || Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM| || - Swami 85 arrested in| Trinidad -| | birth| || details| ||| ||| ||| Dear Professor,| |||| ||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence?| |||| |||| ||| Best regards,| |||| ||| Vyas Munidas| |||| |||| ||| - | ||| "Raj Cgadha" <rkctech >| ||| <SAMVA >| ||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM| ||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details| |||| |||| ||| Dear List:| |||| ||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of| age has| | been| ||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese| women.| || From| ||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct| 5,| 1922,| ||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life| history I| | have| ||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when| this act| || is| ||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP,| and Rahu| || was| ||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put| | everything| ||| together so easily.| |||| ||| Raj Chadha| |||| |||| ||| | ||| Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from| someone who| ||| knows.| ||| Answers - Check it out.| |||| |||| |||| |||| ||| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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