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His city of birth is Mangarh 77 E 15, 30 N 45

 

The GMT offset is still in question. There are conflicting ideas of -5:27

and -5:30 from reputable sources. Either way, on the 5th, just after

midnight in Mangarh, both yield Gemini Asc in the 27th degree, so it would

make no difference.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

<SAMVA >

Friday, May 25, 2007 7:41 AM

Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis

 

 

Dear Professor,

 

Thank you. I also assumed that he was a sanyassi. My initial look was at a

Gemini Asc proposed by Mr Cgadha. The impression that I got from that chart,

was that the weakness of Venus was the main factor for the trouble - hence

my question. This earlier chart (I assume) has the added element of the

Moon-Ketu close conjunction.

 

Just so that we're all on the same page now, what chart data are you using?

 

Adjusted to Gemini, I am using:

 

Oct 5, 1922, Allahabad,

-05:27 LMT

Time: 00:01

Asc Gem 29:20

 

And the final question on this - with the suspected chart data in your

hands, is it likely that such incident has taken place on the night of May

20th?

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

<siha

<SAMVA >

Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:06 PM

Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis

 

 

 

Hello dear Mr. Chadha, Mr. Vyas and Dr. Sankarabhagavadpada,

 

In this case the right ascendant appears to be Gemini. In gemini chart the

conjunction of the Sun and the ninth lord explains involvement in

religious/spiritual matters. As per the rectification made by Mr. Chadha the

close impact of Mars on the seventh, tenth, first and second house also

appears to become contributory. The mutual aspect of the second lord with

the third and ninth lords indicates the level of attainments made by him in

his work in his own country and foreign lands. The problems caused are due

to the placement of Venus in the sixth house and the influence being passed

on to other planets, as well.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

 

-

SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA

SAMVA

Friday, May 25, 2007 5:57 AM

Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis

 

 

Dear Sri Chadhaji,

 

Thanks for reverting.I proceeded on the assumption[which in the light of

your data is proven to be unjustified]that the Swami was a Sannyasi.This was

the reason for my choosing the Cancer Asdt-because this gave afflicted IIH

and IVH-something, which I've seen in the charts of many renunciants.Such

afflictions deny family life.Also cancer Asdt gave other desirable spiritual

potentials.Mine was just a shot in the dark, a gamble.

 

You are absolutely right, one has to look at the whole life.I would like

to have the ref to the Swami's website.I'll look at the whole thing again

with your rectified TOB and in the light of this data.In your chart, while

the IXH Lord and the Su on the cusp of the IVH makes him spiritual, and also

the tenth aspect of Sa on the Lagna, the aspect of Mars on the Lagna, makes

him certainly ambitious and unspiritual-but this might have given him the

power to achieve, and the wealth as well, through its impact.

 

Best Regards

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

 

-

Raj Cgadha

SAMVA

Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:57 PM

Re: Swami's chart - SA analysis

 

 

Dear ShankaraJi:

 

Thanks for doing detailed analysis. I would like to know how would you

account for the facts that he has written a volume of poetry; runs a big

organisation which promotes him as a Jagadguru; about 200 female dedicated

followers, 100 male followers; has accumulated enormous wealth; built

asharms and temples around the globe; dedicated following of millions; and

have only been occasionally blemished or charged in his 85 years of life. He

also has a big family; a wife and five children, all more than 50 years of

age.

 

You cannot base the chart on this one incident. Tthe chart should

account for the whole life. At 11:15PM chart, he has 2L Moon on 10MEP, 3L

and 9L on 4MEP and 11L on 7MEP. These placements in my view account for all

of the above.

And this incident is explained by the transits of the night on May 20,

as is done nicely by Ajay Sehgal.

 

Thanks

 

Raj Chadha

 

SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara wrote:

 

Dear Sri Munidasji, respected , Sri Chadhaji and

List Members,

 

Namasthe. Thanks for the discussion on the TSE around the Swami in

Trinidad. Chadhaji has used the rectified TOB of 11:15 PM, whereas using the

website TOB of around midnight on 5th Oct, I've been able to get marvellous

insights into the TSE, through the SA. I am sending this SA analysis in the

sequel. Have I missed something important?

 

Best regards,

 

S. Bhagavadpada.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tr chart: May 20th , Late night, 2007.

Comments on TSE - Swami in Trinidad, 20th May, 07.

If we go by the TOB given in the Swami's website, rather than by the

rectified time given by Chadhaji, we get very good SA insights into the

raison d'etre for such a malefic TSE.

'Necessary Conditions' in the natal chart:

1. In the natal chart of the Swami [see above], we see the Asdt

lord, the Mo, suffering an exact affliction from the MMP, Sa, that too in

the sign Pisces, where all afflictions are intensified & magnified. Pisces

is also 'behind the scenes' sign and thus we see, a necessary condition,

already present in the natal chart and thereby making room for both

dishonour & disgrace, as well as lust driven activities, at some later stage

in life.

2. Ve, the planet of sensuality and ruling the IVH of emotion in the

natal chart, is placed in the VH of 'love in expression', but in the dreaded

sign Scorpio and therein suffering a close affliction from the violent

planet Ke which is known to act suddenly. This is another 'necessary

condition' for the rape TSE.

3. One of the compelling reasons for leaving the spheres of 'Artha &

Kama' and moving into the spiritual sphere of 'Dharma' [spiritual life] lies

in afflictions to the family Hs, namely the IV & the II. Here the FM Ju,

afflicts the IVH, VIIIH, XH as well as the XIIH. All these Hs are marriage

Hs, except the XH. The IVH lord Ve is also likewise afflicted. Another

compelling reason for renunciation is the close aspect of Ke from the IXH to

the Asdt & the VH.

4. The close affliction to the Su from the MMP Sa and that too in

the dreaded sign Virgo [in which all afflictions are intensified &

magnified, creates another 'necessary condition' for the reputation to be

tarnished in the life to come.

5. The Asdt lord, the Mo suffers an affliction from Ra in D-9, in

its condition of deb therein, in the sign Scorpio. Another 'necessary

condition', for 'love in expression' going wrong, on account of the Rahuvian

influence in Scorpio.

With so many 'necessary conditions' in the natal chart, it should not

be surprising that such a malefic TSE like the rape came to pass on May

20th. On this day, there were other TSEs, 'coming into synchronous play' and

cashing in on the above 'necessary conditions'; in their clinching role

as'sufficient conditions' and thereby serving to bring to fructification,

the ugly event, whose seeds were already present in the natal chart, in the

dormant form of the 'necessary conditions'.

'Sufficient Conditions' on May 20th:

1. Ra-Mo sub-period was running - not a good augury at all

considering the MMP's affliction to the Mo in the natal chart, compounded by

Ra's affliction to the deb Mo in D-9.

2. Tr Ve, the 'female planet' was moving through the XIIH, coming

into exact mutual aspect with the 'male planet' of passion, Ma, that too in

the XIIH. Synchronously, Tr Ra, moving in the most malefic VIIIH, threw

its ray of malefic energy on Tr Ve, thereby intensifying sensual craving.

3. In this position, Tr Ve succumbs to another deadly affliction ,

from the MMP Sa, in the natal chart, through its 10th aspect.

4. Tr Su, was just 1 deg prior to suffering an exact affliction from

natal Ra.

5. Tr Ju was exactly afflicting Tr Me, the planet of initiatives in

the sign Taurus, thus propelling the initiatives with the fire energy & the

wilful energy of Ju.

The above group of TSEs, served to precipitate the ugly event, for

which 'the seeds' were sown in the natal chart itself, in the form of the

'necessary conditions'.

Summing up, we may sadly conclude, that the life energies, represented

by the planets have not been raised to higher levels through remedial

measures, performed over a long period of time. We owe it to

for having given us such a profound understanding into the complex

happenings in man's life.

-------------------------------

 

 

 

-

Vyas Munidas

SAMVA

Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:14 AM

Re: - Swami 85 arrested in

Trinidad - birth details

 

 

Dear Professor,

 

Thank you. I was using the midnight between the 5 and 6th. The

potential is

seen clearly through this data.

 

I had the impression from the RC's email that it was 11:15 pm on the

5th,

which does not show the affliction and such potential isn't present

by the

much stronger LO2.

 

" || this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct

5,

1922,

||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life

history I

| have

||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when

this

act "

 

So if your peg of the data is correct, he'd be guilty. If it's by

the latter

data, then it's likely not. The logical question in my mind is if an

85 year

old man has the physical capacity to perform such.

 

If he was born a couple minutes after mid-night, the ascendant

changes to

Cancer from Gemini. This is even more difficult with the LO2 exactly

conj

the LO8. LO1 would be in H7 conj Ke. etc. He'd also be in the Ra/Ra

period

which can clearly give imprisonment etc.

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

<siha

<SAMVA >

Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:24 AM

Re: - Swami 85 arrested in

Trinidad -

birth details

 

Hello dear Vyas,

 

I took the midnight time on 4th and 5th October. May be I am wrong.

But in

that chart Rahu closely influences the Moon which causes loss of

reputation

as per the actions characterised by Rahu.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

<SAMVA >

Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:26 AM

Re: - Swami 85 arrested in

Trinidad -

birth details

 

| Dear Professor,

|

| I am looking at the chart: 5 Oct, 1922 Allahabad, 23:15,

LMT -05:27. 20:07

| Gemini.

|

| -In the natal there is no Ra-Mo influence directly or its MTH.

Ke's conj

is

| wide to it.

| -In transit on the night of 20th May, there was no Ra-Mo

influence. There

| was natal Ke impact on tr Moon and tr Ke on na Mars.

|

| Perhaps I have missed something. Of course, Mr Raj Cgadha's

rectified

chart

| could be incorrect. Please guide. Thanks.

|

|

| Best regards,

|

| Vyas Munidas

|

|

| -

| " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

| <SAMVA >

| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:38 PM

| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in

Trinidad -

| birth details

|

|

| Thank you dear Professor; your guidance is much appreciated, as

usual.

|

|

| Best regards,

|

| Vyas Munidas

|

|

| -

| <siha

| <SAMVA >

| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:33 PM

| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in

Trinidad -

| birth details

|

|

|

| Hello dear Vyas,

|

| The main reason is the influence of Rahu on Moon.

|

| Best wishes.

|

|

|

| -

| " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

| <SAMVA >

| Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:03 AM

| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in

Trinidad -

| birth details

|

|

|| Dear Professor,

||

|| Thank you for your kind reply. Is it the afflicted, infant, badly

placed

|| Venus in the natal that is the root cause? Are there other

factors?

||

||

|| Best regards,

||

|| Vyas Munidas

||

||

|| -

|| <siha

|| <SAMVA >

|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:18 PM

|| Re: - Swami 85 arrested in

Trinidad -

|| birth details

||

||

||

|| Hello dear Vyas,

||

|| Seems so.

||

||

||

|| -

|| " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

|| <SAMVA >

|| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:48 PM

|| - Swami 85 arrested in

Trinidad -

| birth

|| details

||

||

||| Dear Professor,

|||

||| Does this chart and event date show the occurence?

|||

|||

||| Best regards,

|||

||| Vyas Munidas

|||

|||

||| -

||| " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech

||| <SAMVA >

||| Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM

||| Swami 85 arrested in Trinidad - birth details

|||

|||

||| Dear List:

|||

||| I am sure by now all Indians know that a swami of 85 years of

age has

| been

||| arrested in Trinidad allegedly for raping a 22 year old Guanese

women.

|| From

||| this swami's website I have gathered the birth details. DOB: Oct

5,

1922,

||| TOB: midnight, POB: a village near Allahabad. From his life

history I

| have

||| rectified TOB to be 11:15PM. On the night of May 20, 2007, when

this act

|| is

||| supposed to happen, Venus and Moon were exactly on the 1H MEP,

and Rahu

|| was

||| exactly aspecting them from 9H. The people who know SA, can put

| everything

||| together so easily.

|||

||| Raj Chadha

|||

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