FIRST PUBLIC READING... TO JOHN (JOHNTWB)

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SAMVA , JohnTWB <blazingstar1776 wrote:

>

> Hi Del,

>

> Nothing fresh in your post, with all due respect, of course. This

is very well canvassed news, indeed. Much ado about nothing, natally

considered!

>

> That hither-n-yond group post-er under the name KAPUTDRACONIS

[=DRAGONHEAD] [= " RAHU " ] has no grounds to think extraordinary what is

only commonplace knowledge widely established.

 

DEAR MR. JOHN (JOHNTWB),

 

I'd like to understand what do you mean by the phrase above

(i.e., " that hither-n-yond group post-er under the name

KAPUTDRACONIS... " ). Are you referring to MY ADDRESS? It must

be, since my name is well known in the astrological community: NILSA

GOREY, thank you very much. KAPUTDRACONIS is my OLDEST net address,

the one I use in every astrological group I belong to. As for " the

grounds to think extraordinary what is commonplace... " etc, oh yes I

had such grounds, SINCE AT THE TIME I DISCOVER THAT NEWSPAPER,

TOTALLY BY ACCIDENT, ON THE NET, I HAD NO IDEA THAT FIRST READING WAS

HISTORICALLY KNOWN TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE, capice?

 

I answered you also (I believe it was you, the name signing the post

seems to be the same) in another list explaining I just found out

TODAY, after consulting Campion's book, that such event WAS

HISTORICALLY KNOWN. I see no reason for your gratuitous agression

against me; actually, I am quite surprise at it since it was

obviously uncalled for.

 

Even Nicholas Campion features the July 8, 1776 proclamation event in

his book on world horoscopes. That historic event was, by design,

pure political theatre to stir the emotions of the public in downtown

Philadelphia. Retrospectively, as a natal event, it falls flat;

stillborn, so to speak..

 

I see you also examined that chart as a possible NATAL EVENT? Well, I

wouldn't go that far though I do recognise that everyone is entitled

to their own opinion, of course. In any case, you say above that such

event (the July 8 READING) was a " proclamation event " (I'm just

quoting you above) but we know it was not: it was just A PUBLIC

READING. The Independence was PROCLAIMED four days before, as we all

known. Maybe your choice of words for that READING is responsible for

your possible consideration of that event as a RADIX FOR THE US? Just

guessing...

 

> Here below is the newspaper article that matters for the

extraordinary events of that week in American history:

>

> Very same newspaper, EXACTLY one week earlier, on the evening of

July 2, reported that the Continental Congress had " declared

independence. " For benefit of those who may not know, Jefferson's

draft manifesto, already written and presented to Congress on June

28, was approved-in-principle by this July 2 declaration. Authentic

history tells us so.

>

> Yes, yes, some of the fainted-hearted delegates to Congress

tinkered with the text for the next two days and amended it before

handing it over to the official printer. That's all. Still, the

gotterdammerung was on the 2nd, not the 4th. Critically considered

[ie, by study of the Journals of the Continental Congress, not silly

websites and their potted pseudo-histories], nothing was enacted on

July 4; nothing was " signed " on the 4th. Evidently, Congress

neglected to point out to the printer in the hand-over of the

finished draft that this broadside manifesto [misleadingly ever since

referred to as the Declaration of Independence] was to be dated as

enacted, on July 2. Naturally, without such specific instruction, the

printer dated the copies for the day he received it, on July 4. Ever

since, this comic moment of error has bedevilled mundane astrologers

in America and throughout the world. [Read the learned colonial

historian David Freeman Hawke on the matter of this comic

> error.]

 

You would be right if the text drafted in July 2nd wasn't discussed

AND ammended in July 4th - the last of the 3 days discussion, though

we all know this is what took place. There is no error here, the

annals of the Continental Congress do confirm the procedure adopted

for the Declaration and its approval: it took THREE DAYS TO FINALISE

THE PROCESS. Of course you can use the July 2 text, that's your

prerrogative, that's anyone's prerrogative, though we must recognise

that the final draft, the one approved on July 4 must be considered,

hierarchically speaking, more important than the one for the first

day of debates, the July 2nd one, don't you think so?

>

> All the alleged proofs of the efficacy of any one among numerous

preferred time moments on July 4th, insisted upon by prominent and

not-so-prominent astrologers, to the contrary notwithstanding, I

submit the following:.

>

> If an astrologer insists it can only be the July 4th Sibly chart

@ 5:10 pm. My rejoinder is why not July 2 @ 5:18 p.m. I.E., same

Ascendant point.

 

Sibly's time is actually 4:50. 5:10 is the time used by Dane Rhudyar,

who rectified Sibly's Chart. In fact, the 5:10 chart is called Dane

Rhudyar's Rectified Sibly's and is a very popular version of the

original Sibly Chart.

 

(snip)

 

NILSA (please, do not mistake MY NAME with MY ADRESS again. All

my posts are signed, so there is no reason for that. I use this

address since I d to my first astrology group on the net,

ACT, from Matrix Software, way back, in 1996).

 

 

>

> John

>

> del iver <deliver1900 wrote:

> yet another date for US ! LOL

>

> the following was posted in Midpoints101 egroup and is circulated

here for its mundane facts/data NOT for the astro techniques nor the

political opinions of the author.

>

> enjoy

>

> kaputdraconis <kaputdraconis wrote:

> I've meant to say READING instead of HEARING. Sorry for the

mistake.

> Nilsa

>

> midpoints101 , " kaputdraconis "

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > While searching for something else on the net I've came across

this

> > very rare gem. It is a complete issue of the PENNSYLVANIA EVENING

> > POST dated JULY 09, 1776. In page 4 we can read a short report of

> the

> > first public reading of the Declaration of Independence, voted and

> > decided five days before:

> >

> > Title: PHILADELPHIA, JULY 9

> >

> > " Yesterday, at twelve o'clock, INDEPENDANCY was declared at the

> State-

> > House in this city, in the presence of many thousand spectators,

who

> > testified their approbation of it by repeated acclamations of

joy " .

> >

> > SEE LINK:

> > http://www.rarenewspapers.com/viewissue.aspx?ID=214349

> >

> > This is certainly the first time we hear that the Declaration of

> > Independence was ever read in public, during those tumultuous

days.

> > The importance of such a short and inconspicuous note, almost

hidden

> > in page 4 of the Pennsylvania Evening Post is made clear when we

> > notice that the chart for that event (JULY 8, 1776, 12:00PM/LMT,

> > PHILADELPHIA, PA) has

> >

> > 13*44 LIB RISING, with SA smacked on the asc, at 14*56 LIB.

> > MC = 15*51'CAN

> >

> > For instance, when we progress this chart to 9/11, we find JUPITER

> > EXACTLY at the MC (orb is virtually zero), PRO-VENUS, ruler of the

> > chart at 14*11 ARI, opposing the radical ASC+SA; the PRO-ASC at

> 23*55

> > GEM, on top of radical MARS (orb is 2 mins of arc, applying), and

> the

> > PRO-SUN at 00*38'PIS, just to mention the most important

> > configurations. (If we go back to JAN 20, when Bush was

inaugurated

> > as president, even though he never won the popular vote in what

was

> > unquestionably a very Neptunian conspiracy, we find the PRO-SUN

> > EXACTLY AT 00*00'PISCIS, indicating the state of chaos the country

> > was about to enter).

> >

> > Brazilian astrologer Barbara Abramo, specialized in Ancient

> > Astrology, with extensive published work in the field of Mundane,

is

> > of the opinion that in order to correctly analyse the unfolding

of a

> > country's history, we must take in to consideration not only the

> main

> > chart of the country, but also the secondary charts casted for the

> > most important events taking place in the life of such an entity.

> The

> > chart for the first time the Declaration of Independence was read

in

> > public would certainly be one of these charts, same with the chart

> > for the begining of the Independence War, Civil War etc.

> >

> > The main chart is triggered at every significant event, the same

> with

> > the secondary charts. Charts casted for the moment a country

starts

> > its first war against another country will be triggered every time

> > such country finds itself involved in war with foreing countries,

> the

> > same with a chart casted for the first time a life-changing

> > pronouncement is made public. 9/11 was such an event, for we can

> > clearly see the angles of the time of the attack mimmicking the

> > angles of the public reading of the Declaration: 9/11 was a wake

up

> > call to Americans, a reminder of the beginning of a dreadful new

> era,

> > an era that would bring about, among many fundamental changes, the

> > fact of the loss of some of our most important fundamental rights,

> > like the right to privacy, the right to an attorney in case we are

> > arrested etc. (I'm referring here to the ominous Patriotic Act).

> >

> > We, as a country, didn't yet realize the most serious

implications

> of

> > that horrifying day, for the so called New World Era is still

> > unfolding as I write these lines. (Does anybody notice that we are

> > now, publicly discussing, if we have the right to torture

prisoners

> > that are already isolated, stripped of the right to an attorney,

> > people that can be held ad infinitum? Could we imagine, 10 years

> ago,

> > that we would even consider discussing such an outrage? Sorry, I

> > guess I should say " enhanced interrogation " instead of torture,

for

> > this is now the official name, used by our government, for

torture).

> >

> > I have seen Abramo's thesis working time and again, to the point

we

> > even have, among the dozen charts proposed as national charts for

> our

> > country, one with Libra Rising, casted for July 4 at mid day, if

my

> > memory doesn't trick me. Though this Libra Rising chart is never

the

> > main national chart, the chart for the foundation of the country,

> > though it does certainly represent an important point in the

history

> > of America, for it was casted for the first time that the fact of

> the

> > Independence was made public: the baby was born four days before

and

> > now we hear the birth news, the fact of this new life brought in

to

> > existence crossed the boundaries of the 12th house of what is not

> > known, to the 1st house, of what is now evident and acknowledged

by

> > all.

> >

> > These words are not, by any means, intended to exhaust the

analysis

> > and discussion of this newly discovered chart. I briefly touched

> some

> > of the main configurations of this chart, comparing it to the 9-11

> > chart, aiming to make a point about its importance. I certainly

hope

> > other mundane astrologers find the time to delve in to it,

bringing

> > to the surface the several historical events that certainly

> resonated

> > with the Horoskopos of The First Public Reading of The

Declaration

> of

> > Independence.

> >

> > Thanks for the attention,

> >

> > Nilsa

> > www.nilsagorey.com

> >

>

>

>

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