FIRST PUBLIC READING OF THE DECLARATION [JULY 2]

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Dear Raj, RE: July 2, 1776 Any case for one particular rectified time moment, between 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., is historically credible. That historic Tuesday's vote, "declaring independence", took place when the Delaware delegation was ready to vote, and that was determined by the time of arrival of delegate Caesar Rodney. In recent years I have spoken to 4 people in Delaware who have studied the question. All agree that if Rodney departed Dover, Delaware at midnight of July 1//2, the very earliest he could have reached the Pennsylvania State House was about 2:00 p.m. According to the contemporary recollection of fellow Delaware delegate, Thomas McKean, the vote was taken up shortly after Rodney's arrival, as the delegates were re-convening. Trouble is this could have meant son after the 12:00/2:00 p.m. lunch break or soon after a

3:00/5:00 pm break. The weather was stormy all day Monday and most of Tuesday, starting with a deafening thunder & lightning storm at 4:00 am, on July 1. We know this because Jefferson was awakened by it and recorded it in his diary. So did aother delegate, Robert Paine of Massachusetts. The weather only let up in the afternoon of July 2. My own, less than scientific, hunch is that the later the clock ticks throughout the afternoon the more likely is the historical credibility factor. Hunches are not the best science. On July 4th, Caesar Rodney wrote a letter to his brother in which he recalls "arriving in time" to cast his vote. Not much help. However, following the vote that afternoon, the Committee of the Whole first took up the discussion of the "wording of the text" of the Jefferson Declaration. Unfortunately, we do not know how long that afternoon the

Committee devoted to this matter. Cheers, John Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: John:As you know I proposed Nov 1777 chart for USA, which was not accepted by many readers including Prof Choudhry. I am now comparing different charts using SA methodology and my favorite system of Solar returns. Since you have great knowledge of history, could you please identify the timing of events on July 2, 1776.

Somehow July 2 seems to be better than July 4. I know you prefer July 2 too, and Brian Conrad once suggested 11:20, Armistead used 12:04, Jorge is using 16:49. Did anything happen around 14:25?I will appreciate your input.ThanksRajJohnTWB <blazingstar1776 > wrote: Hi Del, Nothing fresh in your post, with all due respect, of course. This is very well canvassed news, indeed. Much ado about nothing, natally considered! That hither-n-yond group post-er under the name KAPUTDRACONIS [=DRAGONHEAD] [="RAHU"] has no grounds to think extraordinary what is only commonplace knowledge widely established. Even Nicholas Campion features the July 8, 1776 proclamation event in his book on world horoscopes. That

historic event was, by design, pure political theatre to stir the emotions of the public in downtown Philadelphia. Retrospectively, as a natal event, it falls flat; stillborn, so to speak.. Here below is the newspaper article that matters for the extraordinary events of that week in American history: Very same newspaper, EXACTLY one week earlier, on the evening of July 2, reported that the Continental Congress had "declared independence." For benefit of those who may not know, Jefferson's draft manifesto, already written and presented to Congress on June 28, was approved-in-principle by this July 2 declaration. Authentic history tells us so. Yes, yes, some of the fainted-hearted delegates to Congress tinkered with the text for the next two days and amended it before handing it over to the official printer. That's all. Still, the gotterdammerung

was on the 2nd, not the 4th. Critically considered [ie, by study of the Journals of the Continental Congress, not silly websites and their potted pseudo-histories], nothing was enacted on July 4; nothing was "signed" on the 4th. Evidently, Congress neglected to point out to the printer in the hand-over of the finished draft that this broadside manifesto [misleadingly ever since referred to as the Declaration of Independence] was to be dated as enacted, on July 2. Naturally, without such specific instruction, the printer dated the copies for the day he received it, on July 4. Ever since, this comic moment of error has bedevilled mundane astrologers in America and throughout the world. [Read the learned colonial historian David Freeman Hawke on the matter of this comic error.] All the alleged proofs of the efficacy of any one among numerous preferred time moments on July 4th, insisted

upon by prominent and not-so-prominent astrologers, to the contrary notwithstanding, I submit the following:. If an astrologer insists it can only be the July 4th Sibly chart @ 5:10 pm. My rejoinder is why not July 2 @ 5:18 p.m. I.E., same Ascendant point. If an astrologer insists it can only be the July 4th Robson chart @ 4:49:49 pm. My rejoinder is why not July 2 @ Jorge Angelino's rectified time: 4:48:05 pm If an astrologer insists it can only be the July 4th Penfield chart @ 2:21 pm. My rejoinder is why not July 2 @ 2:29 pm. To sum up: What I like most about both the Angelino chart for July 2, 1776 and the Cosmologer chart for February 2, 1781 is that the proponents of either take seriously the objective scientific necessity of authentic history AND proper mundane methodology. So let these

investigations proceed, by all means. P.S. Source: July 2, 1776, The PENNSYLVANIA EVENING POST [Published every Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday Evenings]. The news of independence declared, contained in this issue, hit the Philly streets that very evening of July 2. And when the pony express dispatch rider reached New York City on the following Saturday, July 6, carrying this same late edition news of July 2 from Philly, the Continental troops responded to the news and repaired to the taverns in the evening and got very merry. They celebrated "July 2 Independence". And all this, nothwithstanding in full view of 130 ships of two Royal Navy armadas anchored in the New York harbor,

and "!! 40,000 !!" British troops encamped on Staten Island awaiting General Howe's order to attack the positions of General Washington's Continentals. The Continentals gave the Brits a helluva ride for the next six years before the Brits finally fell off the saddle. Cheers, John del iver <deliver1900 > wrote: yet another date for US ! LOL the following was posted in Midpoints101 egroup and is circulated here for its mundane facts/data NOT for the astro techniques nor the political opinions of the author. enjoy kaputdraconis <kaputdraconis > wrote: I've meant to say READING instead of HEARING. Sorry for the mistake.Nilsamidpoints101 , "kaputdraconis" wrote:>> Hi all,> > While searching for something else on the net I've came across this> very rare gem. It is a complete issue of the PENNSYLVANIA

EVENING> POST dated JULY 09, 1776. In page 4 we can read a short report of the> first public reading of the Declaration of Independence, voted and> decided five days before:> > Title: PHILADELPHIA, JULY 9> > "Yesterday, at twelve o'clock, INDEPENDANCY was declared at the State-> House in this city, in the presence of many thousand spectators, who> testified their approbation of it by repeated acclamations of joy".> > SEE LINK:> http://www.rarenewspapers.com/viewissue.aspx?ID=214349 > > This is certainly the first time we hear that the Declaration of> Independence was ever read in public, during those tumultuous days.> The importance of such a short and inconspicuous note, almost hidden> in page 4 of the Pennsylvania Evening Post is made clear

when we> notice that the chart for that event (JULY 8, 1776, 12:00PM/LMT,> PHILADELPHIA, PA) has> > 13*44 LIB RISING, with SA smacked on the asc, at 14*56 LIB.> MC = 15*51'CAN> > For instance, when we progress this chart to 9/11, we find JUPITER> EXACTLY at the MC (orb is virtually zero), PRO-VENUS, ruler of the> chart at 14*11 ARI, opposing the radical ASC+SA; the PRO-ASC at 23*55> GEM, on top of radical MARS (orb is 2 mins of arc, applying), and the> PRO-SUN at 00*38'PIS, just to mention the most important> configurations. (If we go back to JAN 20, when Bush was inaugurated> as president, even though he never won the popular vote in what was> unquestionably a very Neptunian conspiracy, we find the PRO-SUN> EXACTLY AT 00*00'PISCIS, indicating the state of chaos the country> was about to enter).> > Brazilian astrologer Barbara Abramo,

specialized in Ancient> Astrology, with extensive published work in the field of Mundane, is> of the opinion that in order to correctly analyse the unfolding of a> country's history, we must take in to consideration not only the main> chart of the country, but also the secondary charts casted for the> most important events taking place in the life of such an entity. The> chart for the first time the Declaration of Independence was read in> public would certainly be one of these charts, same with the chart> for the begining of the Independence War, Civil War etc.> > The main chart is triggered at every significant event, the same with> the secondary charts. Charts casted for the moment a country starts> its first war against another country will be triggered every time> such country finds itself involved in war with foreing countries, the> same with a chart

casted for the first time a life-changing> pronouncement is made public. 9/11 was such an event, for we can> clearly see the angles of the time of the attack mimmicking the> angles of the public reading of the Declaration: 9/11 was a wake up> call to Americans, a reminder of the beginning of a dreadful new era,> an era that would bring about, among many fundamental changes, the> fact of the loss of some of our most important fundamental rights,> like the right to privacy, the right to an attorney in case we are> arrested etc. (I'm referring here to the ominous Patriotic Act).> > We, as a country, didn't yet realize the most serious implications of> that horrifying day, for the so called New World Era is still> unfolding as I write these lines. (Does anybody notice that we are> now, publicly discussing, if we have the right to torture prisoners> that are already

isolated, stripped of the right to an attorney,> people that can be held ad infinitum? Could we imagine, 10 years ago,> that we would even consider discussing such an outrage? Sorry, I> guess I should say "enhanced interrogation" instead of torture, for> this is now the official name, used by our government, for torture).> > I have seen Abramo's thesis working time and again, to the point we> even have, among the dozen charts proposed as national charts for our> country, one with Libra Rising, casted for July 4 at mid day, if my> memory doesn't trick me. Though this Libra Rising chart is never the> main national chart, the chart for the foundation of the country,> though it does certainly represent an important point in the history> of America, for it was casted for the first time that the fact of the> Independence was made public: the baby was born four days before

and> now we hear the birth news, the fact of this new life brought in to> existence crossed the boundaries of the 12th house of what is not> known, to the 1st house, of what is now evident and acknowledged by> all.> > These words are not, by any means, intended to exhaust the analysis> and discussion of this newly discovered chart. I briefly touched some> of the main configurations of this chart, comparing it to the 9-11> chart, aiming to make a point about its importance. I certainly hope> other mundane astrologers find the time to delve in to it, bringing> to the surface the several historical events that certainly resonated> with the Horoskopos of The First Public Reading of The Declaration of> Independence.> > Thanks for the attention,> > Nilsa>

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