Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear friends, Iran is pushing ahead with its nuclear fuels program which most Western nations view as a destabilising and threatening development. President Sarkozy of France has recently said that unless Iran bows to diplomatic pressure and discontinues the program, a military attac on its facilities is inevitable. President Bush has said as much. Now there is a rumour that a Pentagon report exists detailing plans for a full scale attack on all military facilities in Iran. At the same time, President Amedijan is boasting of still another milestone in the nuclear program. Both sides seem headed to a confrontation. Needless to say, this would be serious and dangerous path for the world to go down with unknown repercussions. Let´s hope the situation is resolved peacefully. However, let us look at the charts for these nations and see what they suggest. Both the SAMVA USA chart and the chart for Iran have Cancer rising. The SAMVA USA chart has 21° Cancer rising while that of Iran has 24° Cancer rising. The chart for the USA shows less strain ahead. However, the same can not be said for the chart of Iran. In the chart for Iran has significant transit to natal afflictions to contend with, involving the natal placement of the sub-period lord, L4 Venus at 10° 22' Aquarius H8 and the natal placement of L8 Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2, which natally afflicts L4 Venus in H8 and L1 Moon at 13° 11' Taurus H11. What is worse, natally, the nodes afflict exactly all the even numbered houses, with Rahu exactly conjunct H2 MEP and Ketu exactly conjunct H8 MEP, casting also an aspect to H4 MEP owned by Venus. This combination of Venus, Saturn and the nodes helps to explain why Iran has suffered huge and devastating earthquakes in its history. The present stationary placement of Rahu at 13° Aquarius and Ketu at 13° Leo is provoking the natal configuration. In the first half of October 2007, when Ra/Ve/Sa period is operating, transit Ketu, L8 Saturn and L4 Venus will all become conjunct at 11° Leo while opposing natal L4 Venus in H8. At that time, there is the likelihood of a serious setback for Iran. It could be an earthquake with loss of life or an increase in the tension related to the ongoing crisis, much like the Cuban Missile crisis in October 1962 created for the USA and Soviet Union when Saturn and Ketu became conjunct like they are becoming again this coming October. At that time, the world watched in awe as the nuclear powers engaged in brinkmanship, only to back down at the last moment. Let's hope any such tension is also diffused, with cooler minds prevailing. As for what could take place, well there are many possibilities. However, the indications of the 4th house in the chart for Iran appear to be highly vulnerable in coming weeks and months, and these include the communal harmony, natural resources and fixed assets. Rahu and L8 Saturn could also be linked to manipulations relating to nuclear energy. Ketu in the mix adds a sudden, even explosive, factor into the mix. At minimum, such indications would become heavily strained as well. I´d be interested in others views on what the transits suggest may happen. Best wishes, Thor Iran 'reaches nuclear target' Story Highlights Iran says it has met its nuclear goal of 3,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium However Iran's claim has not been independently verified The U.N. has threatened sanctions if the country does not stop its program Next Article in World » TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran has reached its long-sought goal of running 3,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium for its nuclear program, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced Sunday in a report on state media. Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the Natanz nuclear facility in April. The U.N. Security Council had threatened a third round of sanctions against the country if it did not freeze the uranium enrichment program -- which Iran maintains is for peaceful energy purposes, but the U.S. says is to hide a weapons program. "The West thought the Iranian nation would give in after just a resolution, but now we have taken another step in the nuclear progress and launched more than 3,000 centrifuge machines, installing a new cascade every week," the state television Web site quoted Ahmadinejad as saying. Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 Sarah Baxter, Washington THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military capability in three days, according to a national security expert. Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " he said. Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would confront Iran " before it is too late " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Hello my dear Thor, The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. US may seriously consider military action between last week of September, 2007, to third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern sanctions with prolonged repercussions. Best wishes. - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM Re: Iran facing international pressure again Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 Sarah Baxter, Washington THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military capability in three days, according to a national security expert. Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " he said. Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would confront Iran " before it is too late " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear Professor, Thanks for your thoughts on this. What results can be expected during the extended stay of Mars, significator of the military, in the 12H? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha <SAMVA > Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:51 PM Re: Iran facing international pressure again Hello my dear Thor, The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. US may seriously consider military action between last week of September, 2007, to third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern sanctions with prolonged repercussions. Best wishes. - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM Re: Iran facing international pressure again Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 Sarah Baxter, Washington THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military capability in three days, according to a national security expert. Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " he said. Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would confront Iran " before it is too late " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Hello dear Vyas, Loss of support and ground. Best wishes. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Monday, September 03, 2007 8:41 AM Re: Re: Iran facing international pressure again Dear Professor, Thanks for your thoughts on this. What results can be expected during the extended stay of Mars, significator of the military, in the 12H? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - <siha <SAMVA > Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:51 PM Re: Iran facing international pressure again Hello my dear Thor, The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. US may seriously consider military action between last week of September, 2007, to third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern sanctions with prolonged repercussions. Best wishes. - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM Re: Iran facing international pressure again Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 Sarah Baxter, Washington THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military capability in three days, according to a national security expert. Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " he said. Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would confront Iran " before it is too late " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Dear , Thank you for the concise assessment of the situation and prediction how it may evolve. Your prediction for Iran earlier this year was 'spot on' giving credence to the 24° Cancer rising chart for the country. We will follow this prediction with interest to see if it gives additional confirmation to the chart. That said, let us hope the situation is resolved peacefully. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , <siha wrote: > > Hello my dear Thor, > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. US may > seriously consider military action between last week of September, 2007, to > third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern sanctions > with prolonged repercussions. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran > The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 > Sarah Baxter, Washington > > THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 > targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military > capability in three days, according to a national security expert. > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the > Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not > preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear > facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " > he said. > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that > the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes > or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be > the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last > week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow of > a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would > confront Iran " before it is too late " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Dear and Vyas, L10 Mars will be transiting Gemini H12 in the Cancer rising charts of Iran and USA from 18 September 2007 to 29 April 2008. We could expect different outcomes for the transit in the countries. 1. USA. Mars is natally very strong and well placed, at 10° Scorpio H5.It is favourably aspected by L1 Moon at 8° Cancer H11, and receives a wide affliction by L6 Jupiter at 5° Scorpio H5. 2. Iran. Mars is natally weak but well placed, at 2° Pisces H9. It is favourably conjunct a debilitated Mercury at 3° Pisces H9. More adversely, it closely afflicted by L6 Jupiter at 5° Cancer H1. The transit of Mars through Gemini H12 would also be expected to be different for each country. 1. USA. The natally strong Mars will transit a 12th house that is aspected by Ketu at 18° Libra H4. 2. Iran. The natally weak and afflicted Mars will transit a 12th house that is exactly afflicted by natal Ketu at 24° Aquarius H8. Finally, the interpretation concerning the 12th house could be nuanced to reflect either a domestic development (which could be adverse) or a foreign development (which could be more beneficial). When considering the foreign aspect, we can then get a different outcome. For the USA the influence of a strong and well aspected Mars transiting H12 could be slightly favourable for the indications of Mars on foreign soil, whereas for Iran the indications of a weak and afflicted Mars could be adverse for the indications of Mars at home. Of course, as functional malefics aspect H12 in both charts, there is difficulty seen in both charts for the indications of this house. Would you agree with this interpretation? Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , <siha wrote: > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > Loss of support and ground. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > <SAMVA > > Monday, September 03, 2007 8:41 AM > Re: Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Dear Professor, > > Thanks for your thoughts on this. What results can be expected during the > extended stay of Mars, significator of the military, in the 12H? > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > <siha > <SAMVA > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:51 PM > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. US may > seriously consider military action between last week of September, 2007, to > third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern sanctions > with prolonged repercussions. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran > The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 > Sarah Baxter, Washington > > THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 > targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military > capability in three days, according to a national security expert. > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the > Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not > preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear > facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " > he said. > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that > the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes > or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be > the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last > week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow of > a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would > confront Iran " before it is too late " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Thor, I agree, for Iran the problems are greater. To decide if the foreign development will be beneficial, let's examine the influences closely: - End of Oct to beginning of Dec, Mars is within 5 degrees of the MEP. The max degree it reaches is18:29 degrees; it's never exact this year. - Mid Oct to mid Dec: under the influence of natal Ketu . - Start, to mid Oct: Rahu from the 8H aspects Mars - October: Mars aspects natal Mercury - Mid Dec into March 2008, Rahu from the 8H aspects Mars (mid Feb-Mar, Sun is in 8H) Considering that the negatives outweight the positives and Mars is never exact to the MEP, I don't see the foreign development to be particularly beneficial for the USA. I also forsee the administration of the USA fueling a bad situation and being put to trouble in foreign lands. The wide Jupiter-Mars conjunction in the natal chart and the Jupiter subperiod increases the chance of conflict. 's assertion of lost ground and support of the military is well shown. Consider also with the four above points that the Sun will be in debilitation from mid October to mid Nov. It's dispositor becomes debilitated at the beginning of November. With all considered, the chart shows that happiness isn't so good in the homeland and the administration is challenged. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Monday, September 03, 2007 4:30 AM Re: Iran facing international pressure again Dear and Vyas, L10 Mars will be transiting Gemini H12 in the Cancer rising charts of Iran and USA from 18 September 2007 to 29 April 2008. We could expect different outcomes for the transit in the countries. 1. USA. Mars is natally very strong and well placed, at 10° Scorpio H5.It is favourably aspected by L1 Moon at 8° Cancer H11, and receives a wide affliction by L6 Jupiter at 5° Scorpio H5. 2. Iran. Mars is natally weak but well placed, at 2° Pisces H9. It is favourably conjunct a debilitated Mercury at 3° Pisces H9. More adversely, it closely afflicted by L6 Jupiter at 5° Cancer H1. The transit of Mars through Gemini H12 would also be expected to be different for each country. 1. USA. The natally strong Mars will transit a 12th house that is aspected by Ketu at 18° Libra H4. 2. Iran. The natally weak and afflicted Mars will transit a 12th house that is exactly afflicted by natal Ketu at 24° Aquarius H8. Finally, the interpretation concerning the 12th house could be nuanced to reflect either a domestic development (which could be adverse) or a foreign development (which could be more beneficial). When considering the foreign aspect, we can then get a different outcome. For the USA the influence of a strong and well aspected Mars transiting H12 could be slightly favourable for the indications of Mars on foreign soil, whereas for Iran the indications of a weak and afflicted Mars could be adverse for the indications of Mars at home. Of course, as functional malefics aspect H12 in both charts, there is difficulty seen in both charts for the indications of this house. Would you agree with this interpretation? Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , <siha wrote: > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > Loss of support and ground. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Vyas Munidas " <muni> > <SAMVA > > Monday, September 03, 2007 8:41 AM > Re: Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Dear Professor, > > Thanks for your thoughts on this. What results can be expected during the > extended stay of Mars, significator of the military, in the 12H? > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > <siha > <SAMVA > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:51 PM > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. US may > seriously consider military action between last week of September, 2007, to > third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern sanctions > with prolonged repercussions. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran > The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 > Sarah Baxter, Washington > > THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 > targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military > capability in three days, according to a national security expert. > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the > Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not > preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear > facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " > he said. > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that > the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes > or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be > the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last > week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow of > a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would > confront Iran " before it is too late " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Dear Vyas, Thanks for the additional analysis, including other transit influences. We will see how the situation evolves for the military and administration in Iran and USA while Mars transits Gemini. The USA is primarily involved abroad in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is an exceptionally long transit of Mars through Gemini, so we should get a good view of the impact. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > I agree, for Iran the problems are greater. > > To decide if the foreign development will be beneficial, let's examine the > influences closely: > > - End of Oct to beginning of Dec, Mars is within 5 degrees of the MEP. The > max degree it reaches is18:29 degrees; it's never exact this year. > - Mid Oct to mid Dec: under the influence of natal Ketu . > - Start, to mid Oct: Rahu from the 8H aspects Mars > - October: Mars aspects natal Mercury > - Mid Dec into March 2008, Rahu from the 8H aspects Mars (mid Feb- Mar, Sun > is in 8H) > > Considering that the negatives outweight the positives and Mars is never > exact to the MEP, I don't see the foreign development to be particularly > beneficial for the USA. I also forsee the administration of the USA fueling > a bad situation and being put to trouble in foreign lands. The wide > Jupiter-Mars conjunction in the natal chart and the Jupiter subperiod > increases the chance of conflict. 's assertion of lost > ground and support of the military is well shown. > > Consider also with the four above points that the Sun will be in > debilitation from mid October to mid Nov. It's dispositor becomes > debilitated at the beginning of November. > > With all considered, the chart shows that happiness isn't so good in the > homeland and the administration is challenged. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Monday, September 03, 2007 4:30 AM > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Dear and Vyas, > > L10 Mars will be transiting Gemini H12 in the Cancer rising charts of > Iran and USA from 18 September 2007 to 29 April 2008. > > We could expect different outcomes for the transit in the countries. > > 1. USA. Mars is natally very strong and well placed, at 10° Scorpio > H5.It is favourably aspected by L1 Moon at 8° Cancer H11, and > receives a wide affliction by L6 Jupiter at 5° Scorpio H5. > > 2. Iran. Mars is natally weak but well placed, at 2° Pisces H9. It is > favourably conjunct a debilitated Mercury at 3° Pisces H9. More > adversely, it closely afflicted by L6 Jupiter at 5° Cancer H1. > > The transit of Mars through Gemini H12 would also be expected to be > different for each country. > > 1. USA. The natally strong Mars will transit a 12th house that is > aspected by Ketu at 18° Libra H4. > 2. Iran. The natally weak and afflicted Mars will transit a 12th > house that is exactly afflicted by natal Ketu at 24° Aquarius H8. > > Finally, the interpretation concerning the 12th house could be > nuanced to reflect either a domestic development (which could be > adverse) or a foreign development (which could be more beneficial). > When considering the foreign aspect, we can then get a different > outcome. For the USA the influence of a strong and well aspected Mars > transiting H12 could be slightly favourable for the indications of > Mars on foreign soil, whereas for Iran the indications of a weak and > afflicted Mars could be adverse for the indications of Mars at home. > Of course, as functional malefics aspect H12 in both charts, there is > difficulty seen in both charts for the indications of this house. > > Would you agree with this interpretation? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > SAMVA , <siha@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > > > Loss of support and ground. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> > > <SAMVA > > > Monday, September 03, 2007 8:41 AM > > Re: Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > > > Thanks for your thoughts on this. What results can be expected > during the > > extended stay of Mars, significator of the military, in the 12H? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > <siha@> > > <SAMVA > > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:51 PM > > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. > US may > > seriously consider military action between last week of September, > 2007, to > > third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern > sanctions > > with prolonged repercussions. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > <SAMVA > > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM > > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > > > > Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran > > The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 > > Sarah Baxter, Washington > > > > THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 > > targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military > > capability in three days, according to a national security expert. > > > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the > > Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not > > preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear > > facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " > > he said. > > > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, > a > > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that > > the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes > > or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be > > the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . > > > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last > > week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow > of > > a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would > > confront Iran " before it is too late " . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 World should brace for possible war over Iran: France Sep 16 02:44 PM US/Eastern The world should brace for a possible war over the Iranian nuclear crisis but seeking a solution through talks should take priority, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday. " We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war, " he said in an interview broadcast on French television and radio. " We must negotiate right to the end, " with Iran, he said, but underlined that if Tehran possessed an atomic weapon, it would represent " a real danger for the whole world. " " We are trying to put in place plans which are the privilege of chiefs of staff and that is not for tomorrow, " he said, referring to military plans but stressed that although any attack on Iran was far from taking place, " It is normal for us to plan " for any eventuality. Kouchner said France wanted the European Union to prepare sanctions against Iran, outside the ambit of the UN Security Council, to force Tehran to forsake its nuclear ambitions. " We have decided that while negotiations are continuing ... to prepare eventual sanctions outside the ambit of UN sanctions. Our good friends, the Germans, suggested that, " he said. The foreign minister also said leading French companies such as Total and Gaz de France had been urged not to undertake new work or contracts in Iran. Iran vehemently denies Western allegations it is seeking an atomic weapon, saying its nuclear drive is aimed at providing electricity for a growing population whose fossil fuels will one day run out. The five permanent Security Council members -- Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States -- plus Germany are due to meet to discuss a new draft UN resolution on sanctions against Iran on September 21 in Washington. The United States has never ruled out taking military action against Iran but on Friday, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei brushed off the notion that it could now threaten the Islamic republic. He said that US President George W. Bush had been defeated in his Middle East plans and would one day stand trial for " atrocities " committed in Iraq. SAMVA , <siha wrote: > > Hello my dear Thor, > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. US may > seriously consider military action between last week of September, 2007, to > third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern sanctions > with prolonged repercussions. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran > The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 > Sarah Baxter, Washington > > THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 > targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military > capability in three days, according to a national security expert. > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the > Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not > preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear > facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " > he said. > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that > the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes > or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be > the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last > week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow of > a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would > confront Iran " before it is too late " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear friends, International pressure on Iran is building by the day! A day after the stunning speech by the Foreign Minister of France, the Sunday Telegraph in Britain has published an in-depth report on American preparations for war with Iran. Bush setting America up for war with Iran By Philip Sherwell in New York and Tim Shipman in Washington Last Updated: 2:29am BST 17/09/2007 Senior American intelligence and defence officials believe that President George W Bush and his inner circle are taking steps to place America on the path to war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are doomed to fail. Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead to a military showdown with Iran. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml? xml=/news/2007/09/16/wiran116.xml The prediction by our dear is thus on its way to being realised. > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. > US may seriously consider military action between last week of > September, 2007, to third week of October, 2007. Iran may face > action / further stern sanctions with prolonged repercussions. At the same time, let us hope such a war does not actually break out. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > World should brace for possible war over Iran: France > Sep 16 02:44 PM US/Eastern > > The world should brace for a possible war over the Iranian nuclear > crisis but seeking a solution through talks should take priority, > French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday. > " We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war, " he said in > an interview broadcast on French television and radio. > > " We must negotiate right to the end, " with Iran, he said, but > underlined that if Tehran possessed an atomic weapon, it would > represent " a real danger for the whole world. " > > " We are trying to put in place plans which are the privilege of > chiefs of staff and that is not for tomorrow, " he said, referring to > military plans but stressed that although any attack on Iran was far > from taking place, " It is normal for us to plan " for any eventuality. > > Kouchner said France wanted the European Union to prepare sanctions > against Iran, outside the ambit of the UN Security Council, to force > Tehran to forsake its nuclear ambitions. > > " We have decided that while negotiations are continuing ... to > prepare eventual sanctions outside the ambit of UN sanctions. Our > good friends, the Germans, suggested that, " he said. > > The foreign minister also said leading French companies such as Total > and Gaz de France had been urged not to undertake new work or > contracts in Iran. > > Iran vehemently denies Western allegations it is seeking an atomic > weapon, saying its nuclear drive is aimed at providing electricity > for a growing population whose fossil fuels will one day run out. > > The five permanent Security Council members -- Britain, China, > France, Russia and the United States -- plus Germany are due to meet > to discuss a new draft UN resolution on sanctions against Iran on > September 21 in Washington. > > The United States has never ruled out taking military action against > Iran but on Friday, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei > brushed off the notion that it could now threaten the Islamic > republic. > > He said that US President George W. Bush had been defeated in his > Middle East plans and would one day stand trial for " atrocities " > committed in Iraq. > > SAMVA , <siha@> wrote: > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. > US may > > seriously consider military action between last week of September, > 2007, to > > third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further stern > sanctions > > with prolonged repercussions. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > <SAMVA > > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM > > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > > > > Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran > > The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 > > Sarah Baxter, Washington > > > > THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 > > targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military > > capability in three days, according to a national security expert. > > > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the > > Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not > > preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear > > facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian military, " > > he said. > > > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, > a > > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that > > the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick strikes > > or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be > > the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic calculus " . > > > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last > > week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the shadow > of > > a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would > > confront Iran " before it is too late " . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Thor, It seems that inflammatory headlines, political gesturing and US domestic war games are a necessary part of diplomacy and strategy when faced with an enemy. The Iranians would view inaction on the world's part as vacuous posturing. By definition, fear must be felt by the Iranian leaders for negotiations to be effective. From an SA perspective, you astutely pointed out that in mid-October transit FM Ketu, FB L4 Venus and FM L8 Saturn would all be conjunct in the 2nd house. It seems that the 2H area gets a lot of focus. And I believe that this date you've highlighted will be the peak of tensions. The 2H " deals with national wealth, status and relationships within country and with neighbors " while the 4H deals with " the nation's natural resources " and the 8H deals with " delays and obstructions " . Combining these factors seems to indicate further sanctions to obstruct exports of their chief natural resource/export and thereby undermine national wealth. Would indications for war necessitate involvement of the 12th house? Yours, Matt SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > International pressure on Iran is building by the day! > > A day after the stunning speech by the Foreign Minister of France, > the Sunday Telegraph in Britain has published an in-depth > report on American preparations for war with Iran. > > Bush setting America up for war with Iran > By Philip Sherwell in New York and Tim Shipman in Washington > Last Updated: 2:29am BST 17/09/2007 > > Senior American intelligence and defence officials believe that > President George W Bush and his inner circle are taking steps to > place America on the path to war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph has > learnt. > > Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing > targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that > diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are > doomed to fail. > > Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has > begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead > to a military showdown with Iran. > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml? > xml=/news/2007/09/16/wiran116.xml > > The prediction by our dear is thus on its way to > being realised. > > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. > > US may seriously consider military action between last week of > > September, 2007, to third week of October, 2007. Iran may face > > action / further stern sanctions with prolonged repercussions. > > At the same time, let us hope such a war does not actually break out. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > World should brace for possible war over Iran: France > > Sep 16 02:44 PM US/Eastern > > > > The world should brace for a possible war over the Iranian nuclear > > crisis but seeking a solution through talks should take priority, > > French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday. > > " We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war, " he said > in > > an interview broadcast on French television and radio. > > > > " We must negotiate right to the end, " with Iran, he said, but > > underlined that if Tehran possessed an atomic weapon, it would > > represent " a real danger for the whole world. " > > > > " We are trying to put in place plans which are the privilege of > > chiefs of staff and that is not for tomorrow, " he said, referring > to > > military plans but stressed that although any attack on Iran was > far > > from taking place, " It is normal for us to plan " for any > eventuality. > > > > Kouchner said France wanted the European Union to prepare sanctions > > against Iran, outside the ambit of the UN Security Council, to > force > > Tehran to forsake its nuclear ambitions. > > > > " We have decided that while negotiations are continuing ... to > > prepare eventual sanctions outside the ambit of UN sanctions. Our > > good friends, the Germans, suggested that, " he said. > > > > The foreign minister also said leading French companies such as > Total > > and Gaz de France had been urged not to undertake new work or > > contracts in Iran. > > > > Iran vehemently denies Western allegations it is seeking an atomic > > weapon, saying its nuclear drive is aimed at providing electricity > > for a growing population whose fossil fuels will one day run out. > > > > The five permanent Security Council members -- Britain, China, > > France, Russia and the United States -- plus Germany are due to > meet > > to discuss a new draft UN resolution on sanctions against Iran on > > September 21 in Washington. > > > > The United States has never ruled out taking military action > against > > Iran but on Friday, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei > > brushed off the notion that it could now threaten the Islamic > > republic. > > > > He said that US President George W. Bush had been defeated in his > > Middle East plans and would one day stand trial for " atrocities " > > committed in Iraq. > > > > SAMVA , <siha@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of > November. > > US may > > > seriously consider military action between last week of > September, > > 2007, to > > > third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further > stern > > sanctions > > > with prolonged repercussions. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > > <SAMVA > > > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM > > > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > > > > > > > Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran > > > The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 > > > Sarah Baxter, Washington > > > > > > THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against > 1,200 > > > targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military > > > capability in three days, according to a national security expert. > > > > > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the > > > Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not > > > preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear > > > facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian > military, " > > > he said. > > > > > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National > Interest, > > a > > > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that > > > the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick > strikes > > > or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be > > > the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic > calculus " . > > > > > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last > > > week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the > shadow > > of > > > a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would > > > confront Iran " before it is too late " . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Dear Matt, I don't think it is an absolute requirement. The 6H and aggressive indications can give this involvement. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Matt " <hunt4genestocks <SAMVA > Monday, September 17, 2007 12:11 PM Re: Iran facing international pressure again Dear Thor, It seems that inflammatory headlines, political gesturing and US domestic war games are a necessary part of diplomacy and strategy when faced with an enemy. The Iranians would view inaction on the world's part as vacuous posturing. By definition, fear must be felt by the Iranian leaders for negotiations to be effective. From an SA perspective, you astutely pointed out that in mid-October transit FM Ketu, FB L4 Venus and FM L8 Saturn would all be conjunct in the 2nd house. It seems that the 2H area gets a lot of focus. And I believe that this date you've highlighted will be the peak of tensions. The 2H " deals with national wealth, status and relationships within country and with neighbors " while the 4H deals with " the nation's natural resources " and the 8H deals with " delays and obstructions " . Combining these factors seems to indicate further sanctions to obstruct exports of their chief natural resource/export and thereby undermine national wealth. Would indications for war necessitate involvement of the 12th house? Yours, Matt SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > International pressure on Iran is building by the day! > > A day after the stunning speech by the Foreign Minister of France, > the Sunday Telegraph in Britain has published an in-depth > report on American preparations for war with Iran. > > Bush setting America up for war with Iran > By Philip Sherwell in New York and Tim Shipman in Washington > Last Updated: 2:29am BST 17/09/2007 > > Senior American intelligence and defence officials believe that > President George W Bush and his inner circle are taking steps to > place America on the path to war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph has > learnt. > > Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing > targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that > diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are > doomed to fail. > > Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has > begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead > to a military showdown with Iran. > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml? > xml=/news/2007/09/16/wiran116.xml > > The prediction by our dear is thus on its way to > being realised. > > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of November. > > US may seriously consider military action between last week of > > September, 2007, to third week of October, 2007. Iran may face > > action / further stern sanctions with prolonged repercussions. > > At the same time, let us hope such a war does not actually break out. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > World should brace for possible war over Iran: France > > Sep 16 02:44 PM US/Eastern > > > > The world should brace for a possible war over the Iranian nuclear > > crisis but seeking a solution through talks should take priority, > > French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday. > > " We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war, " he said > in > > an interview broadcast on French television and radio. > > > > " We must negotiate right to the end, " with Iran, he said, but > > underlined that if Tehran possessed an atomic weapon, it would > > represent " a real danger for the whole world. " > > > > " We are trying to put in place plans which are the privilege of > > chiefs of staff and that is not for tomorrow, " he said, referring > to > > military plans but stressed that although any attack on Iran was > far > > from taking place, " It is normal for us to plan " for any > eventuality. > > > > Kouchner said France wanted the European Union to prepare sanctions > > against Iran, outside the ambit of the UN Security Council, to > force > > Tehran to forsake its nuclear ambitions. > > > > " We have decided that while negotiations are continuing ... to > > prepare eventual sanctions outside the ambit of UN sanctions. Our > > good friends, the Germans, suggested that, " he said. > > > > The foreign minister also said leading French companies such as > Total > > and Gaz de France had been urged not to undertake new work or > > contracts in Iran. > > > > Iran vehemently denies Western allegations it is seeking an atomic > > weapon, saying its nuclear drive is aimed at providing electricity > > for a growing population whose fossil fuels will one day run out. > > > > The five permanent Security Council members -- Britain, China, > > France, Russia and the United States -- plus Germany are due to > meet > > to discuss a new draft UN resolution on sanctions against Iran on > > September 21 in Washington. > > > > The United States has never ruled out taking military action > against > > Iran but on Friday, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei > > brushed off the notion that it could now threaten the Islamic > > republic. > > > > He said that US President George W. Bush had been defeated in his > > Middle East plans and would one day stand trial for " atrocities " > > committed in Iraq. > > > > SAMVA , <siha@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > The situation is quite difficult for Iran upto middle of > November. > > US may > > > seriously consider military action between last week of > September, > > 2007, to > > > third week of October, 2007. Iran may face action / further > stern > > sanctions > > > with prolonged repercussions. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > > <SAMVA > > > > Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 PM > > > Re: Iran facing international pressure again > > > > > > > > > Pentagon `three-day blitz' plan for Iran > > > The Sunday Times - September 2, 2007 > > > Sarah Baxter, Washington > > > > > > THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against > 1,200 > > > targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military > > > capability in three days, according to a national security expert. > > > > > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the > > > Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not > > > preparing for " pinprick strikes " against Iran's nuclear > > > facilities. " They're about taking out the entire Iranian > military, " > > > he said. > > > > > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National > Interest, > > a > > > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that > > > the US military had concluded: " Whether you go for pinprick > strikes > > > or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be > > > the same. " It was, he added, a " very legitimate strategic > calculus " . > > > > > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last > > > week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East " under the > shadow > > of > > > a nuclear holocaust " . He warned that the US and its allies would > > > confront Iran " before it is too late " . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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