Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Dear Thor and list members, Regarding the outlook of financial markets and the economy as well, for an amazing method i came across and possible SA astrological correlation factors we in this forum can observe with it, read my earlier August issue of Trader's Tips Newsletter, on why the number of the 45 to 54 age groupings could have an important role in a serious financial & economical related crisis/depression, likely coming in the beginning of the next decade. It's not just the interest in astrological research and observation behind this message, it's also my moral duty to share with you this new, important information about what we are likely facing, because of the magnitude of it and this alert hopefully could be of contribution, for your own future decisions. This information is found below the first chart on the web page below. http://www.oextradingresources.com/traderstips-aug07.html Best wishes, Arild >Dear Ajay and list members, > >You raise the question of what may happen in October, Ajay, >specifically on 15 October. First, by the term Great Depression, I >expect you mean a correction in the stock market. Normally the >term " Great Depression " refers to a collapse in the stock market >followed by an economic crisis involving millions caught without jobs >and income. I doubt such a scenario is in the offing anytime soon, >and certainly, I have not predicted it based on the SAMVA USA chart. > >That said, the question warrants an answer, if the transits in the >coming month are strong enough to produce a big correction in the >financial markets?. More specifically, is a big drop ahead for the US >stock market or the dollar? > >You are right, Ajay, the transits in the second and third week of >October 2007 look tough all over. > >At that time, the following aspects take place >- transit Saturn, Ketu and Venus combine around 10°-12° Leo, >- transit Mars in Gemini is aspected by transit Rahu in Aquarius >- transit Mercury in Libra is aspected by transit Rahu in Aquarius >and then transit Saturn in Leo >- transit Sun becomes weak in old age in Virgo and infancy and >debilitation in Libra. > >The transit conjunction of Saturn and Ketu has been associated with >some tense events, including the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962, which >configured strongly in the USA chart. The timing of the event follows >the peak of the conjunction and its aspect to natal L3 Mercury in H7 - >an international crisis involving transportation to and installation >of dangerous nuclear missiles in Communist Cuba, near the USA. > >As far as the USA is concerned at this time, there are only two >transit-to-natal aspects in the 21° Cancer rising SAMVA USA chart in >October 2007 and mostly difficult transit-to-transit aspects. > >Ve/Ju period is running. Jupiter is sixth lord in the chart and has >to do with Americans fixed sense of righteousness, often leading them >to conflict, even war. Sub-period lord L6 Jupiter is now in Scorpio >and in October will be in transit-to-natal conjunction of H5 MEP, >where it also aspects H1 (owned by Moon, which it natally afflicts), >H9 and H11. The aspect becomes exact around 6 October >and the influence is felt until early November. This aspect suggests >conflict or malfunction involving the indications of the house >involved. Jupiter will then pass through, at normal speed, a >conjunction with natal L8 Saturn at 27° Scorpio, from mid October >until late November, but which peaks around 7 November. This transit >to natal aspect suggests scope for violence or military action. > >Moreover, the following transit-to-transit aspect occur: >- transit L8 Saturn, FM Ketu and L4 Venus combine around 10°-12° Leo >H2. This aspects suggests suddent problems for fixed assets and >communal harmony. However, no natal indication in the USA is >threatened, beyond the fact that Venus is a weak planet in the chart. >- transit L10 Mars in Gemini H12 is aspected by transit Rahu in >Aquarius H8. This suggests problems for US abroad. >- transit L3 Mercury in Libra H4 is aspected by transit Rahu in >Aquarius and then transit L8 Saturn in Leo H2. This is bad for >investor sentiment. >- transit L2 Sun becomes weak in old age in Virgo H3 and infancy and >debilitation in Libra H4. This undermines investor sentiment. > >The above aspects suggests the USA will pass through the two >difficult weeks of October, with some problems but overall OK. > >Presently, there are problems being felt by > >1. Saturn at 8° 35' Leo and Ketu at 12° 50' Leo, being within the >close 5° conjunction aspect of each other. >2. L8 Saturn still aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11 >3. L6 Jupiter at 19° Scorpio aspecting H5, H9, H11 and H1 (owned by >Moon) >4. In coming days, transit L3 Mercury in H4 will be under aspect of >transit L8 Saturn in H2. >5. Transit L10 Mars has entered H12 > >Aspects 2 and 3 are bad for the US currency, the dollar, and the >stock market. Aspect 4 and 5 are also bad for investor sentiments. As >a result of the present aspects and the more difficult aspects in >October, the financial markets may continue nervous for the coming >month. Likely, the Saturn-Ketu conjunction will flare up as an >international crisis, whereby the US is involved, but not itself the >focus of the crisis. The crisis would unsettle investors. > >So, to answer the question, as I can read the transits in the SAMVA >USA chart, it seems stock markets could be disturbed and that the >dollar may be under some pressure. However, there is no indication of >an outright collapse of the currency with a massive flight into the >euro, as some commentators have suggested. Rather, should military >confrontation emerge abroad or seem very likely, a flight into >dollars may take place as has often been the case at difficult geo- >political times. > >Best wishes, > >Thor > >--- In ><SAMVA%40>SAMVA , > " ajay sehgal " <ajaysehg wrote: > > > > Dear lists, > > > > If we turn back 20 years in history we get 2 dates of heavy stock > > market crashes. > > > > 1) october 19, 1987, dow jones fell 22.68%, it was black monday, > > me/sat was in operation as per samva US chart. on this day tr >saturn > > mmp was exactly afflicting natal sun h2 lord. tr sat was @ 23.41, > > while natal sun @ 23.45. > > > > 2) october 27, 1997, it was black monday dow jones crashed, & > > trading had to be halted in Newyork stock exchange. venus/venus was > > in operation, tr rahu was afflicting badly placed natal venus lord4 > > in h6,and mmp sat was @ mep afflicting various houses. > > > > 3)Now as per earlier detailed analysis by dear thor, & matt of US, > > UK, IRAN, Iceland ,all point to a strong " GREAT DEPRESSION " in > > stock markets, Indian chart also confirms the same. > > > > 4)On 15 october 2007 tr afflictions shall be around peak, so shall > > it again be black monday, but planetary combinations do point > > towards this day!!!. > > > > Thanks ajay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Dear Arild, Nice to see your post and thanks for alerting list members to two potential turning points in the stock market. Thanks also for sharing generously the fruits of your excellent reseach! You are right, Arild, the stock market has been in a bullish pattern, despite the recent bouts of turbulence. As they say, it is in the nature of investing, that "investors climb a wall of worry." In short, your thesis is that the stock market may enter into the last leg of a bull market in coming years and then succumb to a historic bear market, evoking memories of the Great Depression of the 1930s. This strikes me as a reasonable idea and you give compelling evidence for it, namely that demographic developments become more adverse. To that you could add that in the USA and many other countries, with the ageing of populations, there is not enough saving in place for old age retirement. So, the problems could become massive, if your scenario works out. You also suggest the dollar may have hit a bottom. This strikes me as possibly correct, in that the SAMVA USA chart suggests the dollar is inherently strong and then markets never allow currencies to go too far in any one direction. When currencies become cheap, investors start seeing them as potential gainers. As for the advice on gold, I have one concern that while the precautionary motive to hold gold may increase demand for it, the other effect of weakening demand would work in the other direction. Hence, the price of gold might not rise as much as suggested. Just my two cents worth on that. As for the medium-to-long term future of the US stock market, I tend to return to this issue here on SAMVA, based on an analysis of the SAMVA USA chart, when time allows. Best wishes, ThorArild Myklebust <arimykle wrote: Dear Thor and list members,Regarding the outlook of financial markets and the economy as well,for an amazing method i came across and possible SA astrologicalcorrelation factors we in this forum can observe with it, read my earlierAugust issue of Trader's Tips Newsletter, on why the numberof the 45 to 54 age groupings could have an important rolein a serious financial & economical related crisis/depression, likelycoming in the beginning of the next decade. It's not just the interest inastrological research and observation behind this message, it's also mymoral duty to share with you this new, important information about whatwe are likely facing, because of the magnitude of it and this alerthopefully could be of contribution, for your own future decisions.This information is found below the first chart on the web page below.http://www.oextradingresources.com/traderstips-aug07.htmlBest wishes,Arild>Dear Ajay and list members,>>You raise the question of what may happen in October, Ajay,>specifically on 15 October. First, by the term Great Depression, I>expect you mean a correction in the stock market. Normally the>term "Great Depression" refers to a collapse in the stock market>followed by an economic crisis involving millions caught without jobs>and income. I doubt such a scenario is in the offing anytime soon,>and certainly, I have not predicted it based on the SAMVA USA chart.>>That said, the question warrants an answer, if the transits in the>coming month are strong enough to produce a big correction in the>financial markets?. More specifically, is a big drop ahead for the US>stock market or the dollar?>>You are right, Ajay, the transits in the second and third week of>October 2007 look tough all over.>>At that time, the following aspects take place>- transit Saturn, Ketu and Venus combine around 10°-12° Leo,>- transit Mars in Gemini is aspected by transit Rahu in Aquarius>- transit Mercury in Libra is aspected by transit Rahu in Aquarius>and then transit Saturn in Leo>- transit Sun becomes weak in old age in Virgo and infancy and>debilitation in Libra.>>The transit conjunction of Saturn and Ketu has been associated with>some tense events, including the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962, which>configured strongly in the USA chart. The timing of the event follows>the peak of the conjunction and its aspect to natal L3 Mercury in H7 ->an international crisis involving transportation to and installation>of dangerous nuclear missiles in Communist Cuba, near the USA.>>As far as the USA is concerned at this time, there are only two>transit-to-natal aspects in the 21° Cancer rising SAMVA USA chart in>October 2007 and mostly difficult transit-to-transit aspects.>>Ve/Ju period is running. Jupiter is sixth lord in the chart and has>to do with Americans fixed sense of righteousness, often leading them>to conflict, even war. Sub-period lord L6 Jupiter is now in Scorpio>and in October will be in transit-to-natal conjunction of H5 MEP,>where it also aspects H1 (owned by Moon, which it natally afflicts),>H9 and H11. The aspect becomes exact around 6 October>and the influence is felt until early November. This aspect suggests>conflict or malfunction involving the indications of the house>involved. Jupiter will then pass through, at normal speed, a>conjunction with natal L8 Saturn at 27° Scorpio, from mid October>until late November, but which peaks around 7 November. This transit>to natal aspect suggests scope for violence or military action.>>Moreover, the following transit-to-transit aspect occur:>- transit L8 Saturn, FM Ketu and L4 Venus combine around 10°-12° Leo>H2. This aspects suggests suddent problems for fixed assets and>communal harmony. However, no natal indication in the USA is>threatened, beyond the fact that Venus is a weak planet in the chart.>- transit L10 Mars in Gemini H12 is aspected by transit Rahu in>Aquarius H8. This suggests problems for US abroad.>- transit L3 Mercury in Libra H4 is aspected by transit Rahu in>Aquarius and then transit L8 Saturn in Leo H2. This is bad for>investor sentiment.>- transit L2 Sun becomes weak in old age in Virgo H3 and infancy and>debilitation in Libra H4. This undermines investor sentiment.>>The above aspects suggests the USA will pass through the two>difficult weeks of October, with some problems but overall OK.>>Presently, there are problems being felt by>>1. Saturn at 8° 35' Leo and Ketu at 12° 50' Leo, being within the>close 5° conjunction aspect of each other.>2. L8 Saturn still aspecting L1 Moon at 7° 26' Taurus H11>3. L6 Jupiter at 19° Scorpio aspecting H5, H9, H11 and H1 (owned by>Moon)>4. In coming days, transit L3 Mercury in H4 will be under aspect of>transit L8 Saturn in H2.>5. Transit L10 Mars has entered H12>>Aspects 2 and 3 are bad for the US currency, the dollar, and the>stock market. Aspect 4 and 5 are also bad for investor sentiments. As>a result of the present aspects and the more difficult aspects in>October, the financial markets may continue nervous for the coming>month. Likely, the Saturn-Ketu conjunction will flare up as an>international crisis, whereby the US is involved, but not itself the>focus of the crisis. The crisis would unsettle investors.>>So, to answer the question, as I can read the transits in the SAMVA>USA chart, it seems stock markets could be disturbed and that the>dollar may be under some pressure. However, there is no indication of>an outright collapse of the currency with a massive flight into the>euro, as some commentators have suggested. Rather, should military>confrontation emerge abroad or seem very likely, a flight into>dollars may take place as has often been the case at difficult geo->political times.>>Best wishes,>>Thor>>>SAMVA , >"ajay sehgal" wrote:> >> > Dear lists,> >> > If we turn back 20 years in history we get 2 dates of heavy stock> > market crashes.> >> > 1) october 19, 1987, dow jones fell 22.68%, it was black monday,> > me/sat was in operation as per samva US chart. on this day tr>saturn> > mmp was exactly afflicting natal sun h2 lord. tr sat was @ 23.41,> > while natal sun @ 23.45.> >> > 2) october 27, 1997, it was black monday dow jones crashed, & > > trading had to be halted in Newyork stock exchange. venus/venus was> > in operation, tr rahu was afflicting badly placed natal venus lord4> > in h6,and mmp sat was @ mep afflicting various houses.> >> > 3)Now as per earlier detailed analysis by dear thor, & matt of US,> > UK, IRAN, Iceland ,all point to a strong "GREAT DEPRESSION" in> > stock markets, Indian chart also confirms the same.> >> > 4)On 15 october 2007 tr afflictions shall be around peak, so shall> > it again be black monday, but planetary combinations do point> > towards this day!!!.> >> > Thanks ajay> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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