Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear List Members, For the timeline of events that have been used in Iran's rectification work, please go to msg #8276, from January 25, 2005. Best wishes, Jorge. On 10/30/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear friends, We are following a 24° 24' Cancer rising chart for Iran based on the proclamation of the Islamic revolution at 3:03PM on April 1, 1979 in Teheran. This chart has some very difficult transits in the near future. November 2007-January 2008 Rahu - Venus period is operating. Transit L8 Saturn will be very closely conjunct natal Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2 from late November 2007 to late January 2008. The aspect becomes almost exact from December 16-23, when the Saturn station peaks at 14° 35', before going retrograde. Natally, Saturn afflicts L1 Moon at 13° 13' Taurus H11. Saturn also afflicts L4 Venus at 10° 22' Aquarius H8, while Ketu exactly afflicts H4. This combination is consistent with the many death-inflicting earthquakes that have struck Iran. It is also consistent with obstructions faced by women in Iran. This time would be expected to heighten considerably the level of tension in the stand-off between the USA and Iran over the nuclear development efforts in Iran. Interestingly, at that time transit Saturn will also closely conjunct L10 Mars at 16° 11' Leo H2 in the chart of George W. Bush. July-September 2008 Rahu - Sun period will be operating. Transit Rahu becomes exactly conjunct the rising degree, when transit Ketu will be conjunct H7 MEP. At that time, the transit nodes will be afflicting all the odd numbered houses. In early July 2008, transit L6 Jupiter at 24° Sagittarius H6 will be exactly afflicted by natal Rahu at 23° 40' Leo H2. Natally, the nodes afflict exactly all the even numbered houses, including H6. This natal affliction explains the belligerent attitude of the Iranian government to other countries. Natally, Jupiter afflicts L10 Mars and L3 Mercury in infancy in Pisces H9, adding to the adamantly held views and positions. This aspect should bring renewed pressure on the Iranian state, involving manipulation. A military conflict is also possible. Interestingly, at that time transit Ketu will closely afflict natal L6 Jupiter at 25° 02' Virgo and natal Rahu at 27° 28' Taurus H11 in the chart of George W. Bush. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear Jorge, Thank you for the additional information. Before you contributed you rectifications of the charts of all the countries in the world, from 2004-2005, on the basis of a propietary method (which I do not know if is consistent with SA or not), we had rectified a number of charts using mostly historical information, an assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the natal charts and sporadic predictions, all based on SA. In the case of Iran, we were already using this date but with a 3:00 PM time (and not 3:03 PM as you find). It would be interesting to know what the rectification method you use would imply for the SAMVA USA chart, considering say a half degree on either side of 19° 45' Cancer rising. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino wrote: > > Dear List Members, > > For the timeline of events that have been used in Iran's rectification work, > please go to msg #8276, from January 25, 2005. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge. > > > > > On 10/30/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > We are following a 24° 24' Cancer rising chart for Iran based on the > > proclamation of the Islamic revolution at 3:03PM on April 1, 1979 in > > Teheran. This chart has some very difficult transits in the near future. > > > > *November 2007-January 2008* > > Rahu - Venus period is operating. Transit L8 Saturn will be very > > closely conjunct natal Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2 from late November 2007 to > > late January 2008. The aspect becomes almost exact from December 16-23, when > > the Saturn station peaks at 14° 35', before going retrograde. Natally, > > Saturn afflicts L1 Moon at 13° 13' Taurus H11. Saturn also afflicts L4 Venus > > at 10° 22' Aquarius H8, while Ketu exactly afflicts H4. This combination is > > consistent with the many death-inflicting earthquakes that have struck Iran. > > It is also consistent with obstructions faced by women in Iran. This time > > would be expected to heighten considerably the level of tension in the > > stand-off between the USA and Iran over the nuclear development efforts in > > Iran. > > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Saturn will also closely conjunct L10 > > Mars at 16° 11' Leo H2 in the chart of George W. Bush. > > > > *July-September 2008* > > Rahu - Sun period will be operating. Transit Rahu becomes exactly conjunct > > the rising degree, when transit Ketu will be conjunct H7 MEP. At that time, > > the transit nodes will be afflicting all the odd numbered houses. In early > > July 2008, transit L6 Jupiter at 24° Sagittarius H6 will be exactly > > afflicted by natal Rahu at 23° 40' Leo H2. Natally, the nodes afflict > > exactly all the even numbered houses, including H6. This natal affliction > > explains the belligerent attitude of the Iranian government to other > > countries. Natally, Jupiter afflicts L10 Mars and L3 Mercury in infancy in > > Pisces H9, adding to the adamantly held views and positions. This aspect > > should bring renewed pressure on the Iranian state, involving manipulation. > > A military conflict is also possible. > > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Ketu will closely afflict natal L6 > > Jupiter at 25° 02' Virgo and natal Rahu at 27° 28' Taurus H11 in the chart > > of George W. Bush. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear Thor, My message was mainly for the new list members. I am sure you will agree that to use 3:00 PM or 3:03:24 PM is not the same thing. I am glad you are using a TOB closer to my rectified TOB for Iran. Best wishes, Jorge On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear Jorge,Thank you for the additional information.Before you contributed you rectifications of the charts of all the countries in the world, from 2004-2005, on the basis of a propietarymethod (which I do not know if is consistent with SA or not), we hadrectified a number of charts using mostly historical information, anassessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the natal charts and sporadic predictions, all based on SA. In the case of Iran, we werealready using this date but with a 3:00 PM time (and not 3:03 PM asyou find).It would be interesting to know what the rectification method you use would imply for the SAMVA USA chart, considering say a half degree oneither side of 19° 45' Cancer rising.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear List Members,>> For the timeline of events that have been used in Iran'srectification work,> please go to msg #8276, from January 25, 2005. >> Best wishes,>> Jorge.>>>>> On 10/30/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> >> > We are following a 24° 24' Cancer rising chart for Iran based on the> > proclamation of the Islamic revolution at 3:03PM on April 1, 1979in> > Teheran. This chart has some very difficult transits in the nearfuture.> >> > *November 2007-January 2008* > > Rahu - Venus period is operating. Transit L8 Saturn will be very> > closely conjunct natal Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2 from lateNovember 2007 to> > late January 2008. The aspect becomes almost exact from December 16-23, when> > the Saturn station peaks at 14° 35', before going retrograde.Natally,> > Saturn afflicts L1 Moon at 13° 13' Taurus H11. Saturn alsoafflicts L4 Venus> > at 10° 22' Aquarius H8, while Ketu exactly afflicts H4. This combination is> > consistent with the many death-inflicting earthquakes that havestruck Iran.> > It is also consistent with obstructions faced by women in Iran.This time> > would be expected to heighten considerably the level of tension in the> > stand-off between the USA and Iran over the nuclear developmentefforts in> > Iran.> >> > Interestingly, at that time transit Saturn will also closelyconjunct L10 > > Mars at 16° 11' Leo H2 in the chart of George W. Bush.> >> > *July-September 2008*> > Rahu - Sun period will be operating. Transit Rahu becomes exactlyconjunct> > the rising degree, when transit Ketu will be conjunct H7 MEP. At that time,> > the transit nodes will be afflicting all the odd numbered houses.In early> > July 2008, transit L6 Jupiter at 24° Sagittarius H6 will beexactly> > afflicted by natal Rahu at 23° 40' Leo H2. Natally, the nodes afflict> > exactly all the even numbered houses, including H6. This natalaffliction> > explains the belligerent attitude of the Iranian government toother> > countries. Natally, Jupiter afflicts L10 Mars and L3 Mercury in infancy in> > Pisces H9, adding to the adamantly held views and positions. Thisaspect> > should bring renewed pressure on the Iranian state, involvingmanipulation.> > A military conflict is also possible. > >> > Interestingly, at that time transit Ketu will closely afflictnatal L6> > Jupiter at 25° 02' Virgo and natal Rahu at 27° 28' Taurus H11in the chart> > of George W. Bush. > >> > Best wishes,> >> > Thor> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 My dear Jorge, I am happy to use 24° 24' Cancer rising (as compared to the earlier 23° 42' Cancer rising) given your investigation into the likely time for the announcement based on transits. Likewise, I would be happy to see the results of your methodology applied to the effort of fine-tuning the rectification of the SAMVA USA chart. To have your participation in the work of rectifying also the SAMVA USA chart would be a matter of considerable satisfaction to me in view of your many generous contributions to this list. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > My message was mainly for the new list members. > > I am sure you will agree that to use 3:00 PM or 3:03:24 PM is not the same > thing. I am glad you are using a TOB closer to my rectified TOB for Iran. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > Thank you for the additional information. > > > > Before you contributed you rectifications of the charts of all the > > countries in the world, from 2004-2005, on the basis of a propietary > > method (which I do not know if is consistent with SA or not), we had > > rectified a number of charts using mostly historical information, an > > assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the natal charts and > > sporadic predictions, all based on SA. In the case of Iran, we were > > already using this date but with a 3:00 PM time (and not 3:03 PM as > > you find). > > > > It would be interesting to know what the rectification method you use > > would imply for the SAMVA USA chart, considering say a half degree on > > either side of 19° 45' Cancer rising. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > For the timeline of events that have been used in Iran's > > rectification work, > > > please go to msg #8276, from January 25, 2005. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Jorge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/30/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > We are following a 24° 24' Cancer rising chart for Iran based on > > the > > > > proclamation of the Islamic revolution at 3:03PM on April 1, 1979 > > in > > > > Teheran. This chart has some very difficult transits in the near > > future. > > > > > > > > *November 2007-January 2008* > > > > Rahu - Venus period is operating. Transit L8 Saturn will be very > > > > closely conjunct natal Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2 from late > > November 2007 to > > > > late January 2008. The aspect becomes almost exact from December > > 16-23, when > > > > the Saturn station peaks at 14° 35', before going retrograde. > > Natally, > > > > Saturn afflicts L1 Moon at 13° 13' Taurus H11. Saturn also > > afflicts L4 Venus > > > > at 10° 22' Aquarius H8, while Ketu exactly afflicts H4. This > > combination is > > > > consistent with the many death-inflicting earthquakes that have > > struck Iran. > > > > It is also consistent with obstructions faced by women in Iran. > > This time > > > > would be expected to heighten considerably the level of tension > > in the > > > > stand-off between the USA and Iran over the nuclear development > > efforts in > > > > Iran. > > > > > > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Saturn will also closely > > conjunct L10 > > > > Mars at 16° 11' Leo H2 in the chart of George W. Bush. > > > > > > > > *July-September 2008* > > > > Rahu - Sun period will be operating. Transit Rahu becomes exactly > > conjunct > > > > the rising degree, when transit Ketu will be conjunct H7 MEP. At > > that time, > > > > the transit nodes will be afflicting all the odd numbered houses. > > In early > > > > July 2008, transit L6 Jupiter at 24° Sagittarius H6 will be > > exactly > > > > afflicted by natal Rahu at 23° 40' Leo H2. Natally, the nodes > > afflict > > > > exactly all the even numbered houses, including H6. This natal > > affliction > > > > explains the belligerent attitude of the Iranian government to > > other > > > > countries. Natally, Jupiter afflicts L10 Mars and L3 Mercury in > > infancy in > > > > Pisces H9, adding to the adamantly held views and positions. This > > aspect > > > > should bring renewed pressure on the Iranian state, involving > > manipulation. > > > > A military conflict is also possible. > > > > > > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Ketu will closely afflict > > natal L6 > > > > Jupiter at 25° 02' Virgo and natal Rahu at 27° 28' Taurus H11 > > in the chart > > > > of George W. Bush. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear Thor, I understand your point, but you already know my opinion about it. Anyway, it would not be a SA rectification...so not proper for this list! May be our dear Professor can devote sometime to do it. Best wishes, Jorge On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: My dear Jorge,I am happy to use 24° 24' Cancer rising (as compared to the earlier23° 42' Cancer rising) given your investigation into the likely time for the announcement based on transits.Likewise, I would be happy to see the results of your methodologyapplied to the effort of fine-tuning the rectification of the SAMVAUSA chart. To have your participation in the work of rectifying also the SAMVA USA chart would be a matter of considerable satisfaction tome in view of your many generous contributions to this list.Best wishes,Thor SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear Thor,>> My message was mainly for the new list members.>> I am sure you will agree that to use 3:00 PM or 3:03:24 PM is not the same> thing. I am glad you are using a TOB closer to my rectified TOB forIran.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > >> > Dear Jorge,> >> > Thank you for the additional information.> >> > Before you contributed you rectifications of the charts of all the> > countries in the world, from 2004-2005, on the basis of a propietary> > method (which I do not know if is consistent with SA or not), wehad> > rectified a number of charts using mostly historical information,an> > assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the natal charts and > > sporadic predictions, all based on SA. In the case of Iran, wewere> > already using this date but with a 3:00 PM time (and not 3:03 PMas> > you find).> >> > It would be interesting to know what the rectification method you use> > would imply for the SAMVA USA chart, considering say a halfdegree on> > either side of 19° 45' Cancer rising.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Thor > >> > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear List Members, > > >> > > For the timeline of events that have been used in Iran's> > rectification work,> > > please go to msg #8276, from January 25, 2005.> > >> > > Best wishes, > > >> > > Jorge.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 10/30/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear friends, > > > >> > > > We are following a 24° 24' Cancer rising chart for Iranbased on> > the> > > > proclamation of the Islamic revolution at 3:03PM on April 1, 1979> > in> > > > Teheran. This chart has some very difficult transits in thenear> > future.> > > >> > > > *November 2007-January 2008*> > > > Rahu - Venus period is operating. Transit L8 Saturn will be very> > > > closely conjunct natal Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2 from late> > November 2007 to> > > > late January 2008. The aspect becomes almost exact fromDecember> > 16-23, when > > > > the Saturn station peaks at 14° 35', before going retrograde.> > Natally,> > > > Saturn afflicts L1 Moon at 13° 13' Taurus H11. Saturn also> > afflicts L4 Venus > > > > at 10° 22' Aquarius H8, while Ketu exactly afflicts H4. This> > combination is> > > > consistent with the many death-inflicting earthquakes thathave> > struck Iran. > > > > It is also consistent with obstructions faced by women inIran.> > This time> > > > would be expected to heighten considerably the level oftension> > in the > > > > stand-off between the USA and Iran over the nucleardevelopment> > efforts in> > > > Iran.> > > >> > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Saturn will also closely > > conjunct L10> > > > Mars at 16° 11' Leo H2 in the chart of George W. Bush.> > > >> > > > *July-September 2008*> > > > Rahu - Sun period will be operating. Transit Rahu becomes exactly> > conjunct> > > > the rising degree, when transit Ketu will be conjunct H7 MEP.At> > that time,> > > > the transit nodes will be afflicting all the odd numbered houses.> > In early> > > > July 2008, transit L6 Jupiter at 24° Sagittarius H6 will be> > exactly> > > > afflicted by natal Rahu at 23° 40' Leo H2. Natally, the nodes > > afflict> > > > exactly all the even numbered houses, including H6. This natal> > affliction> > > > explains the belligerent attitude of the Iranian government to > > other> > > > countries. Natally, Jupiter afflicts L10 Mars and L3 Mercuryin> > infancy in> > > > Pisces H9, adding to the adamantly held views and positions.This > > aspect> > > > should bring renewed pressure on the Iranian state, involving> > manipulation.> > > > A military conflict is also possible.> > > >> > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Ketu will closely afflict > > natal L6> > > > Jupiter at 25° 02' Virgo and natal Rahu at 27° 28' TaurusH11> > in the chart> > > > of George W. Bush.> > > >> > > > Best wishes, > > > >> > > > Thor> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear Jorge, No problem. I appreciate your point of view. If you at some point in the future you get the gumption to do it, feel free to contact me off- list. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > I understand your point, but you already know my opinion about it. > > Anyway, it would not be a SA rectification...so not proper for this list! > > May be our dear Professor can devote sometime to do it. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > > > On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > > My dear Jorge, > > > > I am happy to use 24° 24' Cancer rising (as compared to the earlier > > 23° 42' Cancer rising) given your investigation into the likely time > > for the announcement based on transits. > > > > Likewise, I would be happy to see the results of your methodology > > applied to the effort of fine-tuning the rectification of the SAMVA > > USA chart. To have your participation in the work of rectifying also > > the SAMVA USA chart would be a matter of considerable satisfaction to > > me in view of your many generous contributions to this list. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > My message was mainly for the new list members. > > > > > > I am sure you will agree that to use 3:00 PM or 3:03:24 PM is not > > the same > > > thing. I am glad you are using a TOB closer to my rectified TOB for > > Iran. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Jorge > > > > > > > > > On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jorge, > > > > > > > > Thank you for the additional information. > > > > > > > > Before you contributed you rectifications of the charts of all the > > > > countries in the world, from 2004-2005, on the basis of a > > propietary > > > > method (which I do not know if is consistent with SA or not), we > > had > > > > rectified a number of charts using mostly historical information, > > an > > > > assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the natal charts and > > > > sporadic predictions, all based on SA. In the case of Iran, we > > were > > > > already using this date but with a 3:00 PM time (and not 3:03 PM > > as > > > > you find). > > > > > > > > It would be interesting to know what the rectification method you > > use > > > > would imply for the SAMVA USA chart, considering say a half > > degree on > > > > either side of 19° 45' Cancer rising. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > > > > > For the timeline of events that have been used in Iran's > > > > rectification work, > > > > > please go to msg #8276, from January 25, 2005. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Jorge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/30/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > We are following a 24° 24' Cancer rising chart for Iran > > based on > > > > the > > > > > > proclamation of the Islamic revolution at 3:03PM on April 1, > > 1979 > > > > in > > > > > > Teheran. This chart has some very difficult transits in the > > near > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > *November 2007-January 2008* > > > > > > Rahu - Venus period is operating. Transit L8 Saturn will be > > very > > > > > > closely conjunct natal Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2 from late > > > > November 2007 to > > > > > > late January 2008. The aspect becomes almost exact from > > December > > > > 16-23, when > > > > > > the Saturn station peaks at 14° 35', before going retrograde. > > > > Natally, > > > > > > Saturn afflicts L1 Moon at 13° 13' Taurus H11. Saturn also > > > > afflicts L4 Venus > > > > > > at 10° 22' Aquarius H8, while Ketu exactly afflicts H4. This > > > > combination is > > > > > > consistent with the many death-inflicting earthquakes that > > have > > > > struck Iran. > > > > > > It is also consistent with obstructions faced by women in > > Iran. > > > > This time > > > > > > would be expected to heighten considerably the level of > > tension > > > > in the > > > > > > stand-off between the USA and Iran over the nuclear > > development > > > > efforts in > > > > > > Iran. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Saturn will also closely > > > > conjunct L10 > > > > > > Mars at 16° 11' Leo H2 in the chart of George W. Bush. > > > > > > > > > > > > *July-September 2008* > > > > > > Rahu - Sun period will be operating. Transit Rahu becomes > > exactly > > > > conjunct > > > > > > the rising degree, when transit Ketu will be conjunct H7 MEP. > > At > > > > that time, > > > > > > the transit nodes will be afflicting all the odd numbered > > houses. > > > > In early > > > > > > July 2008, transit L6 Jupiter at 24° Sagittarius H6 will be > > > > exactly > > > > > > afflicted by natal Rahu at 23° 40' Leo H2. Natally, the nodes > > > > afflict > > > > > > exactly all the even numbered houses, including H6. This natal > > > > affliction > > > > > > explains the belligerent attitude of the Iranian government to > > > > other > > > > > > countries. Natally, Jupiter afflicts L10 Mars and L3 Mercury > > in > > > > infancy in > > > > > > Pisces H9, adding to the adamantly held views and positions. > > This > > > > aspect > > > > > > should bring renewed pressure on the Iranian state, involving > > > > manipulation. > > > > > > A military conflict is also possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Ketu will closely afflict > > > > natal L6 > > > > > > Jupiter at 25° 02' Virgo and natal Rahu at 27° 28' Taurus > > H11 > > > > in the chart > > > > > > of George W. Bush. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 My dear Jorge,One more thing. I did consult concerning the basic conclusion of the rectification work and he concurs with the tentative conclusion that information presented conforms to a rising degree in the 19°-21° Cancer range. Moreover, as you know, he devotes his time almost exclusively to helping people, as well as giving educational advice on the SA lists and writing weekly prediction columns, which are free to read by all. To burden him with a request to perform research into a mundane chart is not appropriate, in my view. We can be thankful for the system he has developed and offered to his students worldwide. I am confident, we his students here on SAMVA, can collectively resolve this matter of the exact rising degree of the SAMVA USA chart. I look forward to contributions by the esteemed list members to that end. I share with you what I consider the first proposal to solve this matter. It comes from none other than my initial collaborator on the SAMVA USA chart, John TWB. Earlier today, he sent al short message to me off-list noting the shocking similarity between the SAMVA USA chart and the 20° 56' Capricorn rising chart for Israel. The latter chart is based on the end of the British Protectorate in Palestine at midnight 14/15 May 1948 and not on the actions by the Israelis themselves to declate independence earlier in the day, at around 4 PM giving either a late Virgo or early Libra rising. The Capricorn rising chart is attached in a gif file.Finally, Jorge, please take my request only as an invitation, in recognition of your many selfless contributions on the SAMVA list, to play a part in this historic process of completing the SAMVA USA chart.Best wishes,ThorJorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: Dear Thor, I understand your point, but you already know my opinion about it. Anyway, it would not be a SA rectification...so not proper for this list! May be our dear Professor can devote sometime to do it. Best wishes, Jorge On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: My dear Jorge,I am happy to use 24° 24' Cancer rising (as compared to the earlier23° 42' Cancer rising) given your investigation into the likely time for the announcement based on transits.Likewise, I would be happy to see the results of your methodologyapplied to the effort of fine-tuning the rectification of the SAMVAUSA chart. To have your participation in the work of rectifying also the SAMVA USA chart would be a matter of considerable satisfaction tome in view of your many generous contributions to this list.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "Jorge Angelino" <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear Thor,>> My message was mainly for the new list members.>> I am sure you will agree that to use 3:00 PM or 3:03:24 PM is not the same> thing. I am glad you are using a TOB closer to my rectified TOB forIran.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > >> > Dear Jorge,> >> > Thank you for the additional information.> >> > Before you contributed you rectifications of the charts of all the> > countries in the world, from 2004-2005, on the basis of a propietary> > method (which I do not know if is consistent with SA or not), wehad> > rectified a number of charts using mostly historical information,an> > assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the natal charts and > > sporadic predictions, all based on SA. In the case of Iran, wewere> > already using this date but with a 3:00 PM time (and not 3:03 PMas> > you find).> >> > It would be interesting to know what the rectification method you use> > would imply for the SAMVA USA chart, considering say a halfdegree on> > either side of 19° 45' Cancer rising.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Thor> >> > SAMVA , "Jorge Angelino" <jorge.angelino@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear List Members, > > >> > > For the timeline of events that have been used in Iran's> > rectification work,> > > please go to msg #8276, from January 25, 2005.> > >> > > Best wishes, > > >> > > Jorge.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 10/30/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear friends, > > > >> > > > We are following a 24° 24' Cancer rising chart for Iranbased on> > the> > > > proclamation of the Islamic revolution at 3:03PM on April 1,1979> > in> > > > Teheran. This chart has some very difficult transits in thenear> > future.> > > >> > > > *November 2007-January 2008*> > > > Rahu - Venus period is operating. Transit L8 Saturn will be very> > > > closely conjunct natal Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2 from late> > November 2007 to> > > > late January 2008. The aspect becomes almost exact fromDecember> > 16-23, when > > > > the Saturn station peaks at 14° 35', before going retrograde.> > Natally,> > > > Saturn afflicts L1 Moon at 13° 13' Taurus H11. Saturn also> > afflicts L4 Venus > > > > at 10° 22' Aquarius H8, while Ketu exactly afflicts H4. This> > combination is> > > > consistent with the many death-inflicting earthquakes thathave> > struck Iran. > > > > It is also consistent with obstructions faced by women inIran.> > This time> > > > would be expected to heighten considerably the level oftension> > in the > > > > stand-off between the USA and Iran over the nucleardevelopment> > efforts in> > > > Iran.> > > >> > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Saturn will also closely > > conjunct L10> > > > Mars at 16° 11' Leo H2 in the chart of George W. Bush.> > > >> > > > *July-September 2008*> > > > Rahu - Sun period will be operating. Transit Rahu becomes exactly> > conjunct> > > > the rising degree, when transit Ketu will be conjunct H7 MEP.At> > that time,> > > > the transit nodes will be afflicting all the odd numbered houses.> > In early> > > > July 2008, transit L6 Jupiter at 24° Sagittarius H6 will be> > exactly> > > > afflicted by natal Rahu at 23° 40' Leo H2. Natally, the nodes > > afflict> > > > exactly all the even numbered houses, including H6. This natal> > affliction> > > > explains the belligerent attitude of the Iranian government to> > other> > > > countries. Natally, Jupiter afflicts L10 Mars and L3 Mercuryin> > infancy in> > > > Pisces H9, adding to the adamantly held views and positions.This > > aspect> > > > should bring renewed pressure on the Iranian state, involving> > manipulation.> > > > A military conflict is also possible.> > > >> > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Ketu will closely afflict > > natal L6> > > > Jupiter at 25° 02' Virgo and natal Rahu at 27° 28' TaurusH11> > in the chart> > > > of George W. Bush.> > > >> > > > Best wishes, > > > >> > > > Thor> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear Thor, Thanks for the invitation and the chart. Best wishes, Jorge On 10/31/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: My dear Jorge,One more thing. I did consult concerning the basic conclusion of the rectification work and he concurs with the tentative conclusion that information presented conforms to a rising degree in the 19°-21° Cancer range. Moreover, as you know, he devotes his time almost exclusively to helping people, as well as giving educational advice on the SA lists and writing weekly prediction columns, which are free to read by all. To burden him with a request to perform research into a mundane chart is not appropriate, in my view. We can be thankful for the system he has developed and offered to his students worldwide. I am confident, we his students here on SAMVA, can collectively resolve this matter of the exact rising degree of the SAMVA USA chart. I look forward to contributions by the esteemed list members to that end. I share with you what I consider the first proposal to solve this matter. It comes from none other than my initial collaborator on the SAMVA USA chart, John TWB. Earlier today, he sent al short message to me off-list noting the shocking similarity between the SAMVA USA chart and the 20° 56' Capricorn rising chart for Israel. The latter chart is based on the end of the British Protectorate in Palestine at midnight 14/15 May 1948 and not on the actions by the Israelis themselves to declate independence earlier in the day, at around 4 PM giving either a late Virgo or early Libra rising. The Capricorn rising chart is attached in a gif file.Finally, Jorge, please take my request only as an invitation, in recognition of your many selfless contributions on the SAMVA list, to play a part in this historic process of completing the SAMVA USA chart. Best wishes,Thor Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino > wrote: Dear Thor, I understand your point, but you already know my opinion about it. Anyway, it would not be a SA rectification...so not proper for this list! May be our dear Professor can devote sometime to do it. Best wishes, Jorge On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: My dear Jorge,I am happy to use 24° 24' Cancer rising (as compared to the earlier23° 42' Cancer rising) given your investigation into the likely time for the announcement based on transits.Likewise, I would be happy to see the results of your methodologyapplied to the effort of fine-tuning the rectification of the SAMVAUSA chart. To have your participation in the work of rectifying also the SAMVA USA chart would be a matter of considerable satisfaction tome in view of your many generous contributions to this list.Best wishes,Thor SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelinowrote:>> Dear Thor,>> My message was mainly for the new list members.>> I am sure you will agree that to use 3:00 PM or 3:03:24 PM is not the same> thing. I am glad you are using a TOB closer to my rectified TOB forIran.>> Best wishes,>> Jorge>>> On 10/31/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > >> > Dear Jorge,> >> > Thank you for the additional information.> >> > Before you contributed you rectifications of the charts of all the> > countries in the world, from 2004-2005, on the basis of a propietary> > method (which I do not know if is consistent with SA or not), wehad> > rectified a number of charts using mostly historical information,an> > assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the natal charts and > > sporadic predictions, all based on SA. In the case of Iran, wewere> > already using this date but with a 3:00 PM time (and not 3:03 PMas> > you find).> >> > It would be interesting to know what the rectification method you use> > would imply for the SAMVA USA chart, considering say a halfdegree on> > either side of 19° 45' Cancer rising.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Thor > >> > SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear List Members, > > >> > > For the timeline of events that have been used in Iran's> > rectification work,> > > please go to msg #8276, from January 25, 2005. > > >> > > Best wishes, > > >> > > Jorge.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 10/30/07, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > >> > > > Dear friends, > > > >> > > > We are following a 24° 24' Cancer rising chart for Iranbased on> > the> > > > proclamation of the Islamic revolution at 3:03PM on April 1, 1979> > in> > > > Teheran. This chart has some very difficult transits in thenear> > future.> > > >> > > > *November 2007-January 2008*> > > > Rahu - Venus period is operating. Transit L8 Saturn will be very> > > > closely conjunct natal Saturn at 14° 43' Leo H2 from late> > November 2007 to> > > > late January 2008. The aspect becomes almost exact fromDecember> > 16-23, when > > > > the Saturn station peaks at 14° 35', before going retrograde.> > Natally,> > > > Saturn afflicts L1 Moon at 13° 13' Taurus H11. Saturn also> > afflicts L4 Venus > > > > at 10° 22' Aquarius H8, while Ketu exactly afflicts H4. This> > combination is> > > > consistent with the many death-inflicting earthquakes thathave> > struck Iran. > > > > It is also consistent with obstructions faced by women inIran.> > This time> > > > would be expected to heighten considerably the level oftension> > in the > > > > stand-off between the USA and Iran over the nucleardevelopment> > efforts in> > > > Iran.> > > >> > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Saturn will also closely > > conjunct L10> > > > Mars at 16° 11' Leo H2 in the chart of George W. Bush.> > > >> > > > *July-September 2008*> > > > Rahu - Sun period will be operating. Transit Rahu becomes exactly> > conjunct> > > > the rising degree, when transit Ketu will be conjunct H7 MEP.At> > that time,> > > > the transit nodes will be afflicting all the odd numbered houses.> > In early> > > > July 2008, transit L6 Jupiter at 24° Sagittarius H6 will be> > exactly> > > > afflicted by natal Rahu at 23° 40' Leo H2. Natally, the nodes > > afflict> > > > exactly all the even numbered houses, including H6. This natal> > affliction> > > > explains the belligerent attitude of the Iranian government to > > other> > > > countries. Natally, Jupiter afflicts L10 Mars and L3 Mercuryin> > infancy in> > > > Pisces H9, adding to the adamantly held views and positions.This > > aspect> > > > should bring renewed pressure on the Iranian state, involving> > manipulation.> > > > A military conflict is also possible.> > > >> > > > Interestingly, at that time transit Ketu will closely afflict > > natal L6> > > > Jupiter at 25° 02' Virgo and natal Rahu at 27° 28' TaurusH11> > in the chart> > > > of George W. Bush.> > > >> > > > Best wishes, > > > >> > > > Thor> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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