Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

January 4, 2008

Dear friends,

Attached are the charts of Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee.

There seems to be some agreement on the Libra rising chart for Obama among US astrologers but so far no birth time has emerged for Huckabee only the date and place of his birth.

For lack of better information, I submit a Leo rising chart for Huckabee, with Sun on the rising degree, suggesting a ruling nature and a developed soul, although I have limited information for that selection. This ascendant would better explain the win in the Republican caucus. Another possibility is Cancer rising for Huckabee placing Jupiter on the MEP. This configuration would suggest a religious attitude, but also one being adamant in views.

The win by Obama appears to be consistent with his chart.

We may keep in mind what suggested on the list on Nov. 24, 2007:

"The planetary position in November 2008 is quite difficult for US but the elections may not be cancelled or postponed.

US Presidential candidates with Cancer or Taurus or Capricorn rising will have almost no chance of winning the elections. One with Leo, Libra or Saggitarius rising stands a better chance."

Best wishes,

Thor

Huckabee, Obama have huge night in Iowa

Story Highlights

Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden drop out of race

Polls: Huckabee earns support of evangelicals, women

Democratic race a debate between change, experience, CNN analyst says

Huckabee vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of dollars into campaign

DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee have claimed victories in Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucuses

Sen. Barack Obama says the night was a "defining moment in history."

With all Democratic precincts reporting, Obama had the support of 38 percent of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards and 29 percent for Hillary Clinton.

"The numbers tell us this was a debate between change and experience, and change won," said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider.

Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware. Both have decided to abandon their White House runs.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to "take the fight to New Hampshire."

New Hampshire holds the nation's first primary Tuesday.

Clinton and Obama are in a statistical dead heat in New Hampshire, according to the latest CNN/WMUR poll.

On the GOP side, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whose campaign was languishing six months ago, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are now tied for first place in New Hampshire, according to the poll, which was released Wednesday.

McCain left Iowa before caucus night even began. He was already in New Hampshire by Thursday afternoon, trying to get a jump on his rivals.

For the winners of both party's caucuses in Iowa, it's an age revolt for Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans, Schneider said.

Among Democrats, Obama took 57 percent of the under-30 vote, according to CNN's analysis of entrance polls. Watch Obama celebrate his victory

Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a "defining moment in history."

"You came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to stand up and say that we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change has come." Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his overwhelming support among evangelical voters and women, the polls indicate.

With 92 percent of Republican precincts reporting, Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas, had the support of 34 percent of voters, compared to 25 percent for Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent, McCain had 13 percent and Ron Paul had 10 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has turned the focus of his campaign to the February 5 "Super Tuesday" primaries, trailed with 4 percent.

"We've paid a lot of attention to states that some other candidates haven't paid a lot of attention to," Giuliani said, adding, "Time will tell what the best strategy is."

Huckabee was vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of dollars into a sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation.

"People really are more important than the purse, and what a great lesson for America to learn," Huckabee said in thanking his supporters. For most of 2007, Huckabee languished in the single digits in the polls and had very little success raising money. But his momentum picked up in the final six weeks of the year when social conservatives -- an important voting bloc in Iowa -- began to move his way.

"We won the silver ... You win the silver in one event. It doesn't mean you're not going to come back and win the gold in the final event, and that we are going to do," Romney said.

Clinton, speaking with 96 percent of the vote in, portrayed herself as the candidate who could bring about the change the voters want.

"I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to lead," she said.

Clinton had worked to convince Iowa caucus-goers she has the experience to enact change, while Edwards and Obama preached that she is too much of a Washington insider to bring change to the nation's capital.

Edwards, in a tight race for second, said Iowa's results show that "the status quo lost and change won."

"Now we move on ... to determine who is best suited to bring about the changes this country so desperately needs," he said.

McCain, who had largely abandoned Iowa to focus on the New Hampshire primary, said, "The lessons of tonight's election in Iowa are that one, you can't buy an election in Iowa; and two, that negative campaigns don't work." With such a close race on both sides, voter turnout was key. The Iowa Democratic Party reported seeing record turnout. The party said there were at least 227,000 caucus attendees. The Iowa GOP projected that 120,000 people took part in the Republican caucuses.The Iowa Democratic Party said 124,000 people participated in the 2004 caucuses, while the Republican Party of Iowa estimated that 87,000 people took part in the 2000 caucuses. (President Bush ran unchallenged for a second term in 2004.)

Caucus-goer Kathy Barger, inside a Democratic caucus site in Walnut, Iowa, said the room she was in was packed to the brim with a line out the door. "I don't know how they are going to be able to fit everybody in the room, much less count the votes," she said. "There are bodies in every available space in the room."

The White House hopefuls campaigned down to the wire in Iowa, determined to reach as many people as possible before the 1,781 caucuses that started at 7 p.m. Iowa Democrats, unlike Republicans, use a more complicated system to determine a candidate's viability. Republican caucus-goers are asked for their support for a candidate only one time during the event. Democrats are asked twice: an initial question of support, and a second if their first-choice candidate does not reach a 15 percent threshold to achieve viability.

Among Republican candidates, Thompson, a former senator from Tennessee, and Rep. Duncan Hunter of California needed strong showings in Iowa to keep their campaigns going, while Paul, a representative from Texas, is likely to ride his surge of popularity through February 5 -- "Super Tuesday," when 24 states hold their primaries -- no matter where he places in the early contests.

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January 5, 2008

Dear Thor…

I have also seen his birth time listed at 9:06 a.m., which gives the Leo rising sign.

Unfortunately, I haven’t had time to

study either chart yet…

Thank you for posting the 13:06 time as well.

David Hawthorne

SAMVA

[sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Cosmologer

Friday, January 04, 2008

1:44 AM

samva

Obama Barack wins

Iowa caucus

Dear friends,

Attached are the charts of Barack

Obama and Mike Huckabee.

There seems to be

some agreement on the Libra rising chart for Obama among US

astrologers but so far no birth time has emerged for Huckabee only the

date and place of his birth.

For lack of better information, I

submit a Leo rising chart for Huckabee, with Sun on the rising degree,

suggesting a ruling nature and a developed soul, although I have limited

information for that selection. This ascendant would better explain the win in

the Republican caucus. Another possibility is Cancer rising for Huckabee

placing Jupiter on the MEP. This configuration would suggest a religious

attitude, but also one being adamant in views.

The win by Obama appears to

be consistent with his chart.

We may keep in mind what Professor

Choudhry suggested on the list on Nov. 24, 2007:

" The planetary position in

November 2008 is quite difficult for US but the elections may not be

cancelled or postponed.

US Presidential candidates

with Cancer or Taurus or Capricorn rising will have almost no chance of

winning the elections. One with Leo, Libra or Saggitarius rising stands a

better chance. "

Best wishes,

Thor

Huckabee, Obama

have huge night in Iowa

Story Highlights

·

Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden drop out of race

·

Polls: Huckabee earns support of evangelicals,

women

·

Democratic race a debate between change,

experience, CNN analyst says

·

Huckabee vastly outspent by Romney, who poured

millions of dollars into campaign

DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee have claimed

victories in Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucuses

Sen. Barack Obama says the night was a

" defining moment in history. "

With all Democratic precincts reporting, Obama had

the support of 38 percent of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards

and 29 percent for Hillary Clinton.

" The numbers tell us this was a debate between

change and experience, and change won, " said CNN political analyst Bill

Schneider.

Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen.

Chris Dodd

of Connecticut and Sen. Joe Biden

of Delaware. Both have decided to abandon their White House runs.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson,

who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to " take the fight to New

Hampshire. "

New Hampshire holds the nation's first primary

Tuesday.

Clinton and Obama are in a statistical dead heat in

New Hampshire, according to the latest CNN/WMUR poll.

On the GOP side, Sen. John McCain

of Arizona, whose campaign was languishing six months ago, and former

Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are now tied for first place in New Hampshire,

according to the poll, which was released Wednesday.

McCain left Iowa before caucus night even began. He

was already in New Hampshire by Thursday afternoon, trying to get a jump on his

rivals.

For the winners of both party's caucuses in Iowa,

it's an age revolt for Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans,

Schneider said.

Among Democrats, Obama took 57 percent of the

under-30 vote, according to CNN's analysis of entrance polls. Watch Obama

celebrate his victory

Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a

" defining moment in history. "

" You came together as Democrats, Republicans

and independents to stand up and say that we are one nation, we are one people

and our time for change has come. " Huckabee's victory can be attributed to

his overwhelming support among evangelical voters and women, the polls

indicate.

With 92 percent of Republican precincts reporting,

Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas, had the support of 34 percent of voters,

compared to 25 percent for Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent, McCain had 13

percent and Ron Paul had 10 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who

has turned the focus of his campaign to the February 5 " Super Tuesday "

primaries, trailed with 4 percent.

" We've paid a lot of attention to states that

some other candidates haven't paid a lot of attention to, " Giuliani said,

adding, " Time will tell what the best strategy is. "

Huckabee was vastly outspent by Romney, who poured

millions of dollars into a sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation.

" People really are more important than the

purse, and what a great lesson for America to learn, " Huckabee said in

thanking his supporters. For most of 2007, Huckabee languished in the single

digits in the polls and had very little success raising money. But his momentum

picked up in the final six weeks of the year when social conservatives -- an

important voting bloc in Iowa -- began to move his way.

" We won the silver ... You win the silver in

one event. It doesn't mean you're not going to come back and win the gold in

the final event, and that we are going to do, " Romney said.

Clinton,

speaking with 96 percent of the vote in, portrayed herself as the candidate who

could bring about the change the voters want.

" I am so ready for the rest of this campaign,

and I am so ready to lead, " she said.

Clinton had worked to convince Iowa caucus-goers

she has the experience to enact change, while Edwards and Obama preached that

she is too much of a Washington insider to bring change to the nation's

capital.

Edwards,

in a tight race for second, said Iowa's results show that " the status quo

lost and change won. "

" Now we move on ... to determine who is best

suited to bring about the changes this country so desperately needs, " he

said.

McCain, who had largely abandoned Iowa to focus on

the New Hampshire primary, said, " The lessons of tonight's election in

Iowa are that one, you can't buy an election in Iowa;

and two, that negative campaigns don't work. " With such a close race on

both sides, voter turnout was key. The Iowa Democratic Party reported seeing

record turnout. The party said

there were at least 227,000 caucus attendees. The Iowa GOP projected that

120,000 people took part in the Republican caucuses.The Iowa Democratic Party

said 124,000 people participated in the 2004 caucuses, while the Republican

Party of Iowa estimated that 87,000 people took part in the 2000 caucuses.

(President Bush ran unchallenged for a second term in 2004.)

Caucus-goer Kathy Barger, inside a Democratic

caucus site in Walnut, Iowa, said the room she was in was packed to the brim

with a line out the door. " I don't know how they are

going to be able to fit everybody in the room, much less count the votes, "

she said. " There are bodies in every available space in the room. "

The White House hopefuls campaigned down to the wire in Iowa, determined to reach as many people as

possible before the 1,781 caucuses that started at 7 p.m. Iowa Democrats,

unlike Republicans, use a more complicated system to determine a candidate's

viability. Republican caucus-goers are asked for their support for a candidate

only one time during the event. Democrats are asked twice: an initial question

of support, and a second if their first-choice candidate does not reach a 15

percent threshold to achieve viability.

Among Republican candidates, Thompson,

a former senator from Tennessee, and Rep. Duncan Hunter

of California needed strong showings in Iowa to keep their campaigns going,

while Paul,

a representative from Texas, is likely to ride his surge of popularity through

February 5 -- " Super Tuesday, " when 24 states hold their primaries --

no matter where he places in the early contests.

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Dear David,

Thanks for the further information on Barack Obama, who may well make

it far or all the way in this harrowing selection process. Indeed,

these birth times that are being circulated are not well established

and need to be studied and predicted against. I have one thought

concerning his tall height. Without having studied the charts in

question, it would seem to be more consistent with a Leo ascendant...

Best wishes,

Thor

SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote:

>

> Dear Thor.

>

> I have also seen his birth time listed at 9:06 a.m., which gives

the Leo

> rising sign.

>

> Unfortunately, I haven't had time to study either chart yet.

>

> Thank you for posting the 13:06 time as well.

>

> David Hawthorne

>

> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On

Behalf Of

> Cosmologer

> Friday, January 04, 2008 1:44 AM

> samva

> Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Attached are the charts of Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee.

>

> There seems to be some agreement on the Libra rising chart for

Obama among

> US astrologers but so far no birth time has emerged for Huckabee

only the

> date and place of his birth.

>

> For lack of better information, I submit a Leo rising chart for

Huckabee,

> with Sun on the rising degree, suggesting a ruling nature and a

developed

> soul, although I have limited information for that selection. This

ascendant

> would better explain the win in the Republican caucus. Another

possibility

> is Cancer rising for Huckabee placing Jupiter on the MEP. This

configuration

> would suggest a religious attitude, but also one being adamant in

views.

>

> The win by Obama appears to be consistent with his chart.

>

> We may keep in mind what suggested on the list

on Nov.

> 24, 2007:

> " The planetary position in November 2008 is quite difficult for US

but the

> elections may not be cancelled or postponed.

>

> US Presidential candidates with Cancer or Taurus or Capricorn

rising will

> have almost no chance of winning the elections. One with Leo,

Libra or

> Saggitarius rising stands a better chance. "

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> Huckabee, Obama have huge night in Iowa

> Story Highlights

> * Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden drop out of race

> * Polls: Huckabee earns support of evangelicals, women

> * Democratic race a debate between change, experience, CNN

analyst

> says

> * Huckabee vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions

of dollars

> into campaign

> <http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/images/1.gif> DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) --

Barack

> Obama and Mike Huckabee have claimed victories in Iowa's first-in-

the-nation

> caucuses

> art.obama.win.ap.jpg

>

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n.ap.j

> pg>

> Sen. Barack Obama says the night was a " defining moment in

history. "

>

<http://edition.cnn.com/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/c

orner_

> wire_BL.gif>

> With all Democratic precincts reporting, Obama had the support of

38 percent

> of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards and 29 percent

for

> Hillary Clinton.

> " The numbers tell us this was a debate between change and

experience, and

> change won, " said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider.

> Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen. Chris

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/chris.dodd.html>

Dodd of

> Connecticut and Sen. Joe

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/joe.biden.html>

Biden of

> Delaware. Both have decided to abandon their White House runs.

> New Mexico Gov. Bill

>

<http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/bill.richardson.html>

> Richardson, who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to " take

the fight

> to New Hampshire. "

> New Hampshire holds the nation's first primary Tuesday.

> Clinton and Obama are in a statistical dead heat in New Hampshire,

according

> to the latest CNN/WMUR poll.

> On the GOP side, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whose campaign was

languishing

> six months ago, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are now

tied for

> first place in New Hampshire, according to the poll, which was

released

> Wednesday.

> McCain left Iowa before caucus night even began. He was already in

New

> Hampshire by Thursday afternoon, trying to get a jump on his

rivals.

> For the winners of both party's caucuses in Iowa, it's an age

revolt for

> Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans, Schneider

said.

> Among Democrats, Obama took 57 percent of the under-30 vote,

according to

> CNN's analysis of entrance polls. Watch Obama celebrate his victory

> Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a " defining moment in

> history. "

> " You came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to

stand up

> and say that we are one nation, we are one people and our time for

change

> has come. " Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his overwhelming

support

> among evangelical voters and women, the polls indicate.

> With 92 percent of Republican precincts reporting, Huckabee, former

governor

> of Arkansas, had the support of 34 percent of voters, compared to

25 percent

> for Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent, McCain had 13 percent and

Ron Paul

> had 10 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has turned

the

> focus of his campaign to the February 5 " Super Tuesday " primaries,

trailed

> with 4 percent.

> " We've paid a lot of attention to states that some other candidates

haven't

> paid a lot of attention to, " Giuliani said, adding, " Time will tell

what the

> best strategy is. "

> Huckabee was vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of

dollars into

> a sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation.

> " People really are more important than the purse, and what a great

lesson

> for America to learn, " Huckabee said in thanking his supporters.

For most of

> 2007, Huckabee languished in the single digits in the polls and had

very

> little success raising money. But his momentum picked up in the

final six

> weeks of the year when social conservatives -- an important voting

bloc in

> Iowa -- began to move his way.

> " We won the silver ... You win the silver in one event. It doesn't

mean

> you're not going to come back and win the gold in the final event,

and that

> we are going to do, " Romney said.

>

<http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/hillary.clinton.html>

> Clinton, speaking with 96 percent of the vote in, portrayed herself

as the

> candidate who could bring about the change the voters want.

> " I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to

lead, "

> she said.

> Clinton had worked to convince Iowa caucus-goers she has the

experience to

> enact change, while Edwards and Obama preached that she is too much

of a

> Washington insider to bring change to the nation's capital.

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.edwards.html>

> Edwards, in a tight race for second, said Iowa's results show

that " the

> status quo lost and change won. "

> " Now we move on ... to determine who is best suited to bring about

the

> changes this country so desperately needs, " he said.

> McCain, who had largely abandoned Iowa to focus on the New Hampshire

> primary, said, " The lessons of tonight's election in Iowa are that

one, you

> can't buy an election in

<http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Iowa> Iowa;

> and two, that negative campaigns don't work. " With such a close

race on both

> sides, voter turnout was key. The Iowa Democratic Party reported

seeing

> record turnout. The party said there were at least 227,000 caucus

attendees.

> The Iowa GOP projected that 120,000 people took part in the

Republican

> caucuses.The Iowa Democratic Party said 124,000 people participated

in the

> 2004 caucuses, while the Republican Party of Iowa estimated that

87,000

> people took part in the 2000 caucuses. (President Bush ran

unchallenged for

> a second term in 2004.)

> Caucus-goer Kathy Barger, inside a Democratic caucus site in

Walnut, Iowa,

> said the room she was in was packed to the brim with a line out the

door.

> " I don't know how they are going to be able to fit everybody in the

room,

> much less count the votes, " she said. " There are bodies in every

available

> space in the room. "

> The White House hopefuls campaigned down to the wire in Iowa,

determined to

> reach as many people as possible before the 1,781 caucuses that

started at 7

> p.m. Iowa Democrats, unlike Republicans, use a more complicated

system to

> determine a candidate's viability. Republican caucus-goers are

asked for

> their support for a candidate only one time during the event.

Democrats are

> asked twice: an initial question of support, and a second if their

> first-choice candidate does not reach a 15 percent threshold to

achieve

> viability.

> Among Republican candidates,

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/fred.thompson.html>

> Thompson, a former senator from Tennessee, and Rep. Duncan

>

<http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/duncan.hunter.html>

Hunter

> of California needed strong showings in Iowa to keep their

campaigns going,

> while

<http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/ron.paul.html> Paul,

> a representative from Texas, is likely to ride his surge of

popularity

> through February 5 -- " Super Tuesday, " when 24 states hold their

primaries

> -- no matter where he places in the early contests.

>

> _____

>

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

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I think one of the clues is to see the transits for the win in Iowa.

Regardless of the ascendant, the other notable issue is that Rahu and Ketu

will be stationary on their natal position for him from Jan. 20 to March

26th.

This could be very difficult for him.

David Hawthorne

SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of

cosmologer

Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:13 AM

SAMVA

Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

Dear David,

Thanks for the further information on Barack Obama, who may well make

it far or all the way in this harrowing selection process. Indeed,

these birth times that are being circulated are not well established

and need to be studied and predicted against. I have one thought

concerning his tall height. Without having studied the charts in

question, it would seem to be more consistent with a Leo ascendant...

Best wishes,

Thor

SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote:

>

> Dear Thor.

>

> I have also seen his birth time listed at 9:06 a.m., which gives

the Leo

> rising sign.

>

> Unfortunately, I haven't had time to study either chart yet.

>

> Thank you for posting the 13:06 time as well.

>

> David Hawthorne

>

> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On

Behalf Of

> Cosmologer

> Friday, January 04, 2008 1:44 AM

> samva

> Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Attached are the charts of Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee.

>

> There seems to be some agreement on the Libra rising chart for

Obama among

> US astrologers but so far no birth time has emerged for Huckabee

only the

> date and place of his birth.

>

> For lack of better information, I submit a Leo rising chart for

Huckabee,

> with Sun on the rising degree, suggesting a ruling nature and a

developed

> soul, although I have limited information for that selection. This

ascendant

> would better explain the win in the Republican caucus. Another

possibility

> is Cancer rising for Huckabee placing Jupiter on the MEP. This

configuration

> would suggest a religious attitude, but also one being adamant in

views.

>

> The win by Obama appears to be consistent with his chart.

>

> We may keep in mind what suggested on the list

on Nov.

> 24, 2007:

> " The planetary position in November 2008 is quite difficult for US

but the

> elections may not be cancelled or postponed.

>

> US Presidential candidates with Cancer or Taurus or Capricorn

rising will

> have almost no chance of winning the elections. One with Leo,

Libra or

> Saggitarius rising stands a better chance. "

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> Huckabee, Obama have huge night in Iowa

> Story Highlights

> * Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden drop out of race

> * Polls: Huckabee earns support of evangelicals, women

> * Democratic race a debate between change, experience, CNN

analyst

> says

> * Huckabee vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions

of dollars

> into campaign

> <http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/images/1.gif> DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) --

Barack

> Obama and Mike Huckabee have claimed victories in Iowa's first-in-

the-nation

> caucuses

> art.obama.win.ap.jpg

>

<http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/01/03/iowa.caucuses/art.obama.wi

n.ap.j

> pg>

> Sen. Barack Obama says the night was a " defining moment in

history. "

>

<http://edition.cnn.com/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/c

orner_

> wire_BL.gif>

> With all Democratic precincts reporting, Obama had the support of

38 percent

> of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards and 29 percent

for

> Hillary Clinton.

> " The numbers tell us this was a debate between change and

experience, and

> change won, " said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider.

> Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen. Chris

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/chris.dodd.html>

Dodd of

> Connecticut and Sen. Joe

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/joe.biden.html>

Biden of

> Delaware. Both have decided to abandon their White House runs.

> New Mexico Gov. Bill

>

<http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/bill.richardson.html>

> Richardson, who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to " take

the fight

> to New Hampshire. "

> New Hampshire holds the nation's first primary Tuesday.

> Clinton and Obama are in a statistical dead heat in New Hampshire,

according

> to the latest CNN/WMUR poll.

> On the GOP side, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whose campaign was

languishing

> six months ago, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are now

tied for

> first place in New Hampshire, according to the poll, which was

released

> Wednesday.

> McCain left Iowa before caucus night even began. He was already in

New

> Hampshire by Thursday afternoon, trying to get a jump on his

rivals.

> For the winners of both party's caucuses in Iowa, it's an age

revolt for

> Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans, Schneider

said.

> Among Democrats, Obama took 57 percent of the under-30 vote,

according to

> CNN's analysis of entrance polls. Watch Obama celebrate his victory

> Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a " defining moment in

> history. "

> " You came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to

stand up

> and say that we are one nation, we are one people and our time for

change

> has come. " Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his overwhelming

support

> among evangelical voters and women, the polls indicate.

> With 92 percent of Republican precincts reporting, Huckabee, former

governor

> of Arkansas, had the support of 34 percent of voters, compared to

25 percent

> for Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent, McCain had 13 percent and

Ron Paul

> had 10 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has turned

the

> focus of his campaign to the February 5 " Super Tuesday " primaries,

trailed

> with 4 percent.

> " We've paid a lot of attention to states that some other candidates

haven't

> paid a lot of attention to, " Giuliani said, adding, " Time will tell

what the

> best strategy is. "

> Huckabee was vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of

dollars into

> a sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation.

> " People really are more important than the purse, and what a great

lesson

> for America to learn, " Huckabee said in thanking his supporters.

For most of

> 2007, Huckabee languished in the single digits in the polls and had

very

> little success raising money. But his momentum picked up in the

final six

> weeks of the year when social conservatives -- an important voting

bloc in

> Iowa -- began to move his way.

> " We won the silver ... You win the silver in one event. It doesn't

mean

> you're not going to come back and win the gold in the final event,

and that

> we are going to do, " Romney said.

>

<http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/hillary.clinton.html>

> Clinton, speaking with 96 percent of the vote in, portrayed herself

as the

> candidate who could bring about the change the voters want.

> " I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to

lead, "

> she said.

> Clinton had worked to convince Iowa caucus-goers she has the

experience to

> enact change, while Edwards and Obama preached that she is too much

of a

> Washington insider to bring change to the nation's capital.

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.edwards.html>

> Edwards, in a tight race for second, said Iowa's results show

that " the

> status quo lost and change won. "

> " Now we move on ... to determine who is best suited to bring about

the

> changes this country so desperately needs, " he said.

> McCain, who had largely abandoned Iowa to focus on the New Hampshire

> primary, said, " The lessons of tonight's election in Iowa are that

one, you

> can't buy an election in

<http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Iowa> Iowa;

> and two, that negative campaigns don't work. " With such a close

race on both

> sides, voter turnout was key. The Iowa Democratic Party reported

seeing

> record turnout. The party said there were at least 227,000 caucus

attendees.

> The Iowa GOP projected that 120,000 people took part in the

Republican

> caucuses.The Iowa Democratic Party said 124,000 people participated

in the

> 2004 caucuses, while the Republican Party of Iowa estimated that

87,000

> people took part in the 2000 caucuses. (President Bush ran

unchallenged for

> a second term in 2004.)

> Caucus-goer Kathy Barger, inside a Democratic caucus site in

Walnut, Iowa,

> said the room she was in was packed to the brim with a line out the

door.

> " I don't know how they are going to be able to fit everybody in the

room,

> much less count the votes, " she said. " There are bodies in every

available

> space in the room. "

> The White House hopefuls campaigned down to the wire in Iowa,

determined to

> reach as many people as possible before the 1,781 caucuses that

started at 7

> p.m. Iowa Democrats, unlike Republicans, use a more complicated

system to

> determine a candidate's viability. Republican caucus-goers are

asked for

> their support for a candidate only one time during the event.

Democrats are

> asked twice: an initial question of support, and a second if their

> first-choice candidate does not reach a 15 percent threshold to

achieve

> viability.

> Among Republican candidates,

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/fred.thompson.html>

> Thompson, a former senator from Tennessee, and Rep. Duncan

>

<http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/duncan.hunter.html>

Hunter

> of California needed strong showings in Iowa to keep their

campaigns going,

> while

<http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/ron.paul.html> Paul,

> a representative from Texas, is likely to ride his surge of

popularity

> through February 5 -- " Super Tuesday, " when 24 states hold their

primaries

> -- no matter where he places in the early contests.

>

> _____

>

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try

>

<http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i

62sR8H

> DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now.

>

January 5, 2008

Dear David,

I think we have a minor quandry regarding a convincing chart for him. Either that or he has little promise of becoming President.

A. I find that the Leo rising chart looks rather weak and unpromising. First, there are 4 planets in dusthanas. L1 Sun and L2 Mercury are in Cancer H12. L5 Jupiter and L7 Saturn are in Capricorn H6. Jupiter and Mercury are in mutual aspect but they are both weak due to bad placement hence the benefit of the aspect would be reduced.

The only strong planet is Venus in H11 and its sub-period is operating. This could explain the sudden prominence. While Moon is exalted and fairly strong in Taurus H10 and receives an aspect from Jupiter, this aspect would not be very helpful as Jupiter is so weak on account of bad placement and debilitation. Moon is also L8 and hence likely to cause obstacles in career.

While the placement of L9 Mars on rising degree would give luck, Mars is in advanced old age and hence weak. The luck and courage would likely not be that prominent in the life. The Leo rising chart does not look like that of a winner. If it is the correct one, as you hint at, it would suggest a setback for him when the nodes go stationary over their natal placements in a few months time.

Interestingly, the time 9:06 AM is exactly 4 hours earlier than the 13:06 PM time.

B. The 13:06 PM time gives 24° Libra rising, which has only one planet in bad placement, L10 Moon. L1 Venus is strong in H9 and its period is operating. L11 Sun is in H10, but with its dispositor Moon badly placed in H8.

Neither chart does a convincing job of explaining Obama's tall height.

A. The Leo rising chart has L1 Sun is weak and badly placed. While L3 Venus is strong it is not impacting H1 or H3 or its lords. It is also aspected by Ketu in H7. The Venus sub-period would have been operating when he was 18 years old.

B. In the Libra rising chart, L3 Jupiter is debilitated and under mutual aspect with L12 Mercury. Jupiter also aspects a badly placed L10 Moon. Would such aspects suggest rapid growth during teenage years? In the Libra rising chart, the Jupiter sub-period would have been operating when he was 13 years old. The Sun sub-period would have been running when he was 11 years old. If the birth time were slightly earlier, say 13:00 his ascendant would place L11 Sun into H10 MEP and thus aspecting H4 which contains L3, which could possibly suggest his tall height.

Well, this is my two cents on these charts based on these given times.

Best wishes,

Thor

David Hawthorne <davidSAMVA Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 12:00:10 AMRE: Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucusI think one of the clues is to see the transits for the win in Iowa.Regardless of the ascendant, the other notable issue is that Rahu and Ketuwill be stationary on their natal position for him from Jan. 20 to March26th.This could be very difficult for him.David HawthorneSAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf OfcosmologerSaturday, January 05, 2008 11:13 AMSAMVA Subject: Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucusDear David,Thanks for the further information on Barack Obama, who may well make it far or all the way in this harrowing selection process. Indeed, these birth times that are being circulated are not well established and need to be studied and predicted against. I have one thought concerning his tall height. Without having studied the charts in question, it would seem to be more consistent with a Leo ascendant...Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "David Hawthorne" <david wrote:>> Dear Thor.> > I have also seen his birth time listed at 9:06 a.m., which gives the Leo> rising sign.>

> Unfortunately, I haven't had time to study either chart yet.> > Thank you for posting the 13:06 time as well.> > David Hawthorne > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of> Cosmologer> Friday, January 04, 2008 1:44 AM> samva > Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus> > Dear friends,> > Attached are the charts of Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee. > > There seems to be some agreement on the Libra rising chart for Obama among> US astrologers but so

far no birth time has emerged for Huckabee only the> date and place of his birth. > > For lack of better information, I submit a Leo rising chart for Huckabee,> with Sun on the rising degree, suggesting a ruling nature and a developed> soul, although I have limited information for that selection. This ascendant> would better explain the win in the Republican caucus. Another possibility> is Cancer rising for Huckabee placing Jupiter on the MEP. This configuration> would suggest a religious attitude, but also one being adamant in views. > > The win by Obama appears to be consistent with his chart.> > We may keep in mind what suggested on the list on Nov.> 24, 2007:> "The planetary position in November 2008 is quite difficult for US but the> elections may not be cancelled or

postponed. > > US Presidential candidates with Cancer or Taurus or Capricorn rising will> have almost no chance of winning the elections. One with Leo, Libra or> Saggitarius rising stands a better chance."> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > Huckabee, Obama have huge night in Iowa> Story Highlights > * Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden drop out of race> * Polls: Huckabee earns support of evangelicals, women> * Democratic race a debate between change, experience, CNN analyst> says> * Huckabee vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of dollars> into campaign> <http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/images/1.gif>

DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- Barack> Obama and Mike Huckabee have claimed victories in Iowa's first-in-the-nation> caucuses> art.obama.win.ap.jpg> <http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/01/03/iowa.caucuses/art.obama.win.ap.j> pg> > Sen. Barack Obama says the night was a "defining moment in history." > > <http://edition.cnn.com/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_> wire_BL.gif> > With all Democratic precincts reporting, Obama had the support of 38 percent> of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards and 29 percent for> Hillary Clinton.> "The numbers tell us this was a debate between change and

experience, and> change won," said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider.> Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen. Chris> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/chris.dodd.html> Dodd of> Connecticut and Sen. Joe> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/joe.biden.html> Biden of> Delaware. Both have decided to abandon their White House runs.> New Mexico Gov. Bill> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/bill.richardson.html>> Richardson, who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to "take the fight> to New Hampshire."> New

Hampshire holds the nation's first primary Tuesday. > Clinton and Obama are in a statistical dead heat in New Hampshire, according> to the latest CNN/WMUR poll. > On the GOP side, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whose campaign was languishing> six months ago, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are now tied for> first place in New Hampshire, according to the poll, which was released> Wednesday.> McCain left Iowa before caucus night even began. He was already in New> Hampshire by Thursday afternoon, trying to get a jump on his rivals. > For the winners of both party's caucuses in Iowa, it's an age revolt for> Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans, Schneider said. > Among Democrats, Obama took 57 percent of the under-30 vote, according to> CNN's analysis of entrance polls. Watch Obama celebrate his victory>

Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a "defining moment in> history." > "You came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to stand up> and say that we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change> has come." Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his overwhelming support> among evangelical voters and women, the polls indicate. > With 92 percent of Republican precincts reporting, Huckabee, former governor> of Arkansas, had the support of 34 percent of voters, compared to 25 percent> for Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent, McCain had 13 percent and Ron Paul> had 10 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has turned the> focus of his campaign to the February 5 "Super Tuesday" primaries, trailed> with 4 percent. > "We've paid a lot of attention to states that some other candidates

haven't> paid a lot of attention to," Giuliani said, adding, "Time will tell what the> best strategy is."> Huckabee was vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of dollars into> a sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation.> "People really are more important than the purse, and what a great lesson> for America to learn," Huckabee said in thanking his supporters. For most of> 2007, Huckabee languished in the single digits in the polls and had very> little success raising money. But his momentum picked up in the final six> weeks of the year when social conservatives -- an important voting bloc in> Iowa -- began to move his way. > "We won the silver ... You win the silver in one event. It doesn't mean> you're not going to come back and win the gold in the final event, and that> we are going to do," Romney

said.> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/hillary.clinton.html>> Clinton, speaking with 96 percent of the vote in, portrayed herself as the> candidate who could bring about the change the voters want.> "I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to lead,"> she said.> Clinton had worked to convince Iowa caucus-goers she has the experience to> enact change, while Edwards and Obama preached that she is too much of a> Washington insider to bring change to the nation's capital.> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.edwards.html>> Edwards, in a tight race for second, said Iowa's results show that

"the> status quo lost and change won." > "Now we move on ... to determine who is best suited to bring about the> changes this country so desperately needs," he said.> McCain, who had largely abandoned Iowa to focus on the New Hampshire> primary, said, "The lessons of tonight's election in Iowa are that one, you> can't buy an election in <http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Iowa> Iowa;> and two, that negative campaigns don't work." With such a close race on both> sides, voter turnout was key. The Iowa Democratic Party reported seeing> record turnout. The party said there were at least 227,000 caucus attendees.> The Iowa GOP projected that 120,000 people took part in the Republican> caucuses.The Iowa Democratic Party said 124,000 people participated in the>

2004 caucuses, while the Republican Party of Iowa estimated that 87,000> people took part in the 2000 caucuses. (President Bush ran unchallenged for> a second term in 2004.) > Caucus-goer Kathy Barger, inside a Democratic caucus site in Walnut, Iowa,> said the room she was in was packed to the brim with a line out the door.> "I don't know how they are going to be able to fit everybody in the room,> much less count the votes," she said. "There are bodies in every available> space in the room."> The White House hopefuls campaigned down to the wire in Iowa, determined to> reach as many people as possible before the 1,781 caucuses that started at 7> p.m. Iowa Democrats, unlike Republicans, use a more complicated system to> determine a candidate's viability. Republican caucus-goers are asked for> their support for a candidate only one

time during the event. Democrats are> asked twice: an initial question of support, and a second if their> first-choice candidate does not reach a 15 percent threshold to achieve> viability.> Among Republican candidates,> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/fred.thompson.html>> Thompson, a former senator from Tennessee, and Rep. Duncan> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/duncan.hunter.html> Hunter> of California needed strong showings in Iowa to keep their campaigns going,> while <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/ron.paul.html>

Paul,> a representative from Texas, is likely to ride his surge of popularity> through February 5 -- "Super Tuesday," when 24 states hold their primaries> -- no matter where he places in the early contests. > > _____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> <http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H> DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now.>

January 6, 2008

Dear Friends,

May be this helps:

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/cands08/obamatime.html

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 1/6/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear David,

I think we have a minor quandry regarding a convincing chart for him. Either that or he has little promise of becoming President.

A. I find that the Leo rising chart looks rather weak and unpromising. First, there are 4 planets in dusthanas. L1 Sun and L2 Mercury are in Cancer H12. L5 Jupiter and L7 Saturn are in Capricorn H6. Jupiter and Mercury are in mutual aspect but they are both weak due to bad placement hence the benefit of the aspect would be reduced.

The only strong planet is Venus in H11 and its sub-period is operating. This could explain the sudden prominence. While Moon is exalted and fairly strong in Taurus H10 and receives an aspect from Jupiter, this aspect would not be very helpful as Jupiter is so weak on account of bad placement and debilitation. Moon is also L8 and hence likely to cause obstacles in career.

While the placement of L9 Mars on rising degree would give luck, Mars is in advanced old age and hence weak. The luck and courage would likely not be that prominent in the life. The Leo rising chart does not look like that of a winner. If it is the correct one, as you hint at, it would suggest a setback for him when the nodes go stationary over their natal placements in a few months time.

Interestingly, the time 9:06 AM is exactly 4 hours earlier than the 13:06 PM time.

B. The 13:06 PM time gives 24Â° Libra rising, which has only one planet in bad placement, L10 Moon. L1 Venus is strong in H9 and its period is operating. L11 Sun is in H10, but with its dispositor Moon badly placed in H8.

Neither chart does a convincing job of explaining Obama's tall height.

A. The Leo rising chart has L1 Sun is weak and badly placed. While L3 Venus is strong it is not impacting H1 or H3 or its lords. It is also aspected by Ketu in H7. The Venus sub-period would have been operating when he was 18 years old.

B. In the Libra rising chart, L3 Jupiter is debilitated and under mutual aspect with L12 Mercury. Jupiter also aspects a badly placed L10 Moon. Would such aspects suggest rapid growth during teenage years? In the Libra rising chart, the Jupiter sub-period would have been operating when he was 13 years old. The Sun sub-period would have been running when he was 11 years old. If the birth time were slightly earlier, say 13:00 his ascendant would place L11 Sun into H10 MEP and thus aspecting H4 which contains L3, which could possibly suggest his tall height.

Well, this is my two cents on these charts based on these given times.

Best wishes,

Thor

David Hawthorne <

davidSAMVA Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 12:00:10 AMRE: Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

I think one of the clues is to see the transits for the win in Iowa.Regardless of the ascendant, the other notable issue is that Rahu and Ketuwill be stationary on their natal position for him from Jan. 20 to March

26th.This could be very difficult for him.David Hawthorne

SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf OfcosmologerSaturday, January 05, 2008 11:13 AM

SAMVA Subject: Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucusDear David,

Thanks for the further information on Barack Obama, who may well make it far or all the way in this harrowing selection process. Indeed, these birth times that are being circulated are not well established and need to be studied and predicted against. I have one thought concerning his tall height. Without having studied the charts in question, it would seem to be more consistent with a Leo ascendant...Best wishes,Thor

SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote:>> Dear Thor.> > I have also seen his birth time listed at 9:06 a.m., which gives the Leo> rising sign.

> > Unfortunately, I haven't had time to study either chart yet.> > Thank you for posting the 13:06 time as well.> > David Hawthorne > >

> SAMVA [

SAMVA ] On Behalf Of> Cosmologer> Friday, January 04, 2008 1:44 AM>

samva > Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus> > Dear friends,> > Attached are the charts of Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee. > > There seems to be some agreement on the Libra rising chart for Obama among> US astrologers but so far no birth time has emerged for Huckabee only the> date and place of his birth. > > For lack of better information, I submit a Leo rising chart for Huckabee,> with Sun on the rising degree, suggesting a ruling nature and a developed> soul, although I have limited information for that selection. This ascendant> would better explain the win in the Republican caucus. Another possibility> is Cancer rising for Huckabee placing Jupiter on the MEP. This configuration> would suggest a religious attitude, but also one being adamant in views. > > The win by Obama appears to be consistent with his chart.

> > We may keep in mind what suggested on the list on Nov.> 24, 2007:> " The planetary position in November 2008 is quite difficult for US but the> elections may not be cancelled or postponed. > > US Presidential candidates with Cancer or Taurus or Capricorn rising will> have almost no chance of winning the elections. One with Leo, Libra or> Saggitarius rising stands a better chance. "

> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > Huckabee, Obama have huge night in Iowa> Story Highlights > * Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden drop out of race> * Polls: Huckabee earns support of evangelicals, women

> * Democratic race a debate between change, experience, CNN analyst> says> * Huckabee vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of dollars> into campaign> <

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/images/1.gif> DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- Barack> Obama and Mike Huckabee have claimed victories in Iowa's first-in-

the-nation> caucuses> art.obama.win.ap.jpg> <

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/01/03/iowa.caucuses/art.obama.win.ap.j> pg> > Sen. Barack Obama says the night was a " defining moment in history. " > > <

http://edition.cnn.com/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_> wire_BL.gif> > With all Democratic precincts reporting, Obama had the support of 38 percent> of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards and 29 percent for> Hillary Clinton.> " The numbers tell us this was a debate between change and experience, and> change won, " said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider.> Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen. Chris

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/chris.dodd.html

> Dodd of> Connecticut and Sen. Joe> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/joe.biden.html

> Biden of> Delaware. Both have decided to abandon their White House runs.> New Mexico Gov. Bill> <

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/bill.richardson.html>> Richardson, who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to " take the fight> to New Hampshire. " > New Hampshire holds the nation's first primary Tuesday. > Clinton and Obama are in a statistical dead heat in New Hampshire, according> to the latest CNN/WMUR poll. > On the GOP side, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whose campaign was languishing> six months ago, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are now tied for> first place in New Hampshire, according to the poll, which was released> Wednesday.> McCain left Iowa before caucus night even began. He was already in New> Hampshire by Thursday afternoon, trying to get a jump on his rivals. > For the winners of both party's caucuses in Iowa, it's an age revolt for> Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans, Schneider said. > Among Democrats, Obama took 57 percent of the under-30 vote, according to> CNN's analysis of entrance polls. Watch Obama celebrate his victory> Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a " defining moment in> history. " > " You came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to stand up> and say that we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change> has come. " Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his overwhelming support> among evangelical voters and women, the polls indicate. > With 92 percent of Republican precincts reporting, Huckabee, former governor> of Arkansas, had the support of 34 percent of voters, compared to 25 percent> for Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent, McCain had 13 percent and Ron Paul> had 10 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has turned the> focus of his campaign to the February 5 " Super Tuesday " primaries, trailed> with 4 percent.

> " We've paid a lot of attention to states that some other candidates haven't> paid a lot of attention to, " Giuliani said, adding, " Time will tell what the> best strategy is. "

> Huckabee was vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of dollars into> a sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation.> " People really are more important than the purse, and what a great lesson> for America to learn, " Huckabee said in thanking his supporters. For most of> 2007, Huckabee languished in the single digits in the polls and had very> little success raising money. But his momentum picked up in the final six> weeks of the year when social conservatives -- an important voting bloc in> Iowa -- began to move his way. > " We won the silver ... You win the silver in one event. It doesn't mean> you're not going to come back and win the gold in the final event, and that> we are going to do, " Romney said.> <

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/hillary.clinton.html>> Clinton, speaking with 96 percent of the vote in, portrayed herself as the> candidate who could bring about the change the voters want.

> " I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to lead, " > she said.> Clinton had worked to convince Iowa caucus-goers she has the experience to> enact change, while Edwards and Obama preached that she is too much of a> Washington insider to bring change to the nation's capital.> <

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.edwards.html>> Edwards, in a tight race for second, said Iowa's results show that " the> status quo lost and change won. " > " Now we move on ... to determine who is best suited to bring about the> changes this country so desperately needs, " he said.> McCain, who had largely abandoned Iowa to focus on the New Hampshire> primary, said, " The lessons of tonight's election in Iowa are that one, you> can't buy an election in <http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Iowa

> Iowa;> and two, that negative campaigns don't work. " With such a close race on both> sides, voter turnout was key. The Iowa Democratic Party reported seeing> record turnout. The party said there were at least 227,000 caucus attendees.> The Iowa GOP projected that 120,000 people took part in the Republican> caucuses.The Iowa Democratic Party said 124,000 people participated in the> 2004 caucuses, while the Republican Party of Iowa estimated that 87,000> people took part in the 2000 caucuses. (President Bush ran unchallenged for> a second term in 2004.) > Caucus-goer Kathy Barger, inside a Democratic caucus site in Walnut, Iowa,

> said the room she was in was packed to the brim with a line out the door.> " I don't know how they are going to be able to fit everybody in the room,> much less count the votes, " she said. " There are bodies in every available> space in the room. " > The White House hopefuls campaigned down to the wire in Iowa, determined to> reach as many people as possible before the 1,781 caucuses that started at 7

> p.m. Iowa Democrats, unlike Republicans, use a more complicated system to> determine a candidate's viability. Republican caucus-goers are asked for> their support for a candidate only one time during the event. Democrats are> asked twice: an initial question of support, and a second if their> first-choice candidate does not reach a 15 percent threshold to achieve> viability.> Among Republican candidates,

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/fred.thompson.html

>> Thompson, a former senator from Tennessee, and Rep. Duncan> <

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/duncan.hunter.html> Hunter> of California needed strong showings in Iowa to keep their campaigns going,> while <

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/ron.paul.html> Paul,> a representative from Texas, is likely to ride his surge of popularity> through February 5 -- " Super Tuesday, " when 24 states hold their primaries> -- no matter where he places in the early contests. > > _____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> <

http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H> DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now.>

January 6, 2008

Junior Senatorfrom

Illinois

Incumbent

Assumed office January 3, 2005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

another important date

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 1/6/08, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:

Dear Friends,

May be this helps:

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/cands08/obamatime.html

Best wishes,

Jorge

On 1/6/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer

> wrote: