Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear Ron Day... Hi.... and thanks for the data on Shirley Temple. I looked at the chart and think it might be okay as a Scropio rising sign, if it is adjusted by just a few minutes earlier. This will put Moon on the Most Effective Point of the eighth house, which then blesses and brings good fortune to the second house of wealth, status and speech... giving her good results and public favor.... The well placed Saturn gave her maturity beyond her years, which supported her in childhood. Although her tenth and eleventh rulers are in the sixth house, this connects career and income with service to others; and her sixth ruler is ruled by the well placed Saturn. The exalted Venus in the fifth house gave her a very artistic and creative mind and international success. The well placed Jupiter is also supporting her wealth and status. Bob Dylan and John Kerry are two notable Scorpio rising sign personalities, so we know that Scorpios can rise high in life... Please scroll down for my comments on the timing of events in her life. Some important events- 27 Feb 1935 Received mini oscar IN THE RA/SA... SATURN IS WELL PLACED... AND A FB. 19 Sep 1945 Marriage RA/MA.... MARS IS IN THE FOURTH HOUSE OF HAPPINESS AND HOME LIFE. 30 Jan 1948 daughter born JU/JU.... JUPITER IS NATURAL SIGNIFICATOR FOR CHILDREN, AND RULES HER SECOND HOUSE OF CONTINUATION OF FAMILY LIFE. 16 Dec 1950 Remarried JU/SA... SATURN RULES THE FOURTH HOUSE OF DOMESTIC PEACE. 28 Apr 1952 Son born JU/ME... MERCURY IS RULED BY MARS, IN THE FOURTH HOUSE OF HOME LIFE. 11 Oct 1969 Accident SA/VE... VENUS RULES THE TWELFTH HOUSE OF HOSPITALS. TRANSIT VENUS WAS CONJUNCT KETU, UNDER THE ASPECT OF RAHU. 3 Dec 1974 Ambassador to Ghana SA/MO... MOON IS BLESSING THE SECOND HOUSE, GIVING STATUS AND PUBLIC FAVOR. 1 Jan 1977 Death mother SA/RA....RAHU WAS TRANSITING THE TWELFTH HOUSE OF LOSS, ASPECTING HER NATAL MOON, RULING MOTHER, IN THE EIGHTH HOUSE OF DEATH... So, it does seem that the Scorpio sign could work for her. BEST WISHES, DAVID HAWTHORNE Thanks for any opinions Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear David, These are good insights; thank you for sharing them. I'd like to comment that any ascendant is capable of rising to great heights depending on the strength of the planets. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " David Hawthorne " <david <SAMVA > Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:33 PM RE: Shirley Temple -Ascendant doubt Dear Ron Day... Hi.... and thanks for the data on Shirley Temple. I looked at the chart and think it might be okay as a Scropio rising sign, if it is adjusted by just a few minutes earlier. This will put Moon on the Most Effective Point of the eighth house, which then blesses and brings good fortune to the second house of wealth, status and speech... giving her good results and public favor.... The well placed Saturn gave her maturity beyond her years, which supported her in childhood. Although her tenth and eleventh rulers are in the sixth house, this connects career and income with service to others; and her sixth ruler is ruled by the well placed Saturn. The exalted Venus in the fifth house gave her a very artistic and creative mind and international success. The well placed Jupiter is also supporting her wealth and status. Bob Dylan and John Kerry are two notable Scorpio rising sign personalities, so we know that Scorpios can rise high in life... Please scroll down for my comments on the timing of events in her life. Some important events- 27 Feb 1935 Received mini oscar IN THE RA/SA... SATURN IS WELL PLACED... AND A FB. 19 Sep 1945 Marriage RA/MA.... MARS IS IN THE FOURTH HOUSE OF HAPPINESS AND HOME LIFE. 30 Jan 1948 daughter born JU/JU.... JUPITER IS NATURAL SIGNIFICATOR FOR CHILDREN, AND RULES HER SECOND HOUSE OF CONTINUATION OF FAMILY LIFE. 16 Dec 1950 Remarried JU/SA... SATURN RULES THE FOURTH HOUSE OF DOMESTIC PEACE. 28 Apr 1952 Son born JU/ME... MERCURY IS RULED BY MARS, IN THE FOURTH HOUSE OF HOME LIFE. 11 Oct 1969 Accident SA/VE... VENUS RULES THE TWELFTH HOUSE OF HOSPITALS. TRANSIT VENUS WAS CONJUNCT KETU, UNDER THE ASPECT OF RAHU. 3 Dec 1974 Ambassador to Ghana SA/MO... MOON IS BLESSING THE SECOND HOUSE, GIVING STATUS AND PUBLIC FAVOR. 1 Jan 1977 Death mother SA/RA....RAHU WAS TRANSITING THE TWELFTH HOUSE OF LOSS, ASPECTING HER NATAL MOON, RULING MOTHER, IN THE EIGHTH HOUSE OF DEATH... So, it does seem that the Scorpio sign could work for her. BEST WISHES, DAVID HAWTHORNE Thanks for any opinions Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Hello David, My thinking was that the combination of Scorpio ascendant and Mo in 8th house would be a little deep for this basically extroverted person. Good points that you have raised. Thanks Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Yes... very good point, dear Vyas... David SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Vyas Munidas Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:53 PM SAMVA Re: Shirley Temple -Ascendant doubt Dear David, These are good insights; thank you for sharing them. I'd like to comment that any ascendant is capable of rising to great heights depending on the strength of the planets. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " David Hawthorne " <david <SAMVA > Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:33 PM RE: Shirley Temple -Ascendant doubt Dear Ron Day... Hi.... and thanks for the data on Shirley Temple. I looked at the chart and think it might be okay as a Scropio rising sign, if it is adjusted by just a few minutes earlier. This will put Moon on the Most Effective Point of the eighth house, which then blesses and brings good fortune to the second house of wealth, status and speech... giving her good results and public favor.... The well placed Saturn gave her maturity beyond her years, which supported her in childhood. Although her tenth and eleventh rulers are in the sixth house, this connects career and income with service to others; and her sixth ruler is ruled by the well placed Saturn. The exalted Venus in the fifth house gave her a very artistic and creative mind and international success. The well placed Jupiter is also supporting her wealth and status. Bob Dylan and John Kerry are two notable Scorpio rising sign personalities, so we know that Scorpios can rise high in life... Please scroll down for my comments on the timing of events in her life. Some important events- 27 Feb 1935 Received mini oscar IN THE RA/SA... SATURN IS WELL PLACED... AND A FB. 19 Sep 1945 Marriage RA/MA.... MARS IS IN THE FOURTH HOUSE OF HAPPINESS AND HOME LIFE. 30 Jan 1948 daughter born JU/JU.... JUPITER IS NATURAL SIGNIFICATOR FOR CHILDREN, AND RULES HER SECOND HOUSE OF CONTINUATION OF FAMILY LIFE. 16 Dec 1950 Remarried JU/SA... SATURN RULES THE FOURTH HOUSE OF DOMESTIC PEACE. 28 Apr 1952 Son born JU/ME... MERCURY IS RULED BY MARS, IN THE FOURTH HOUSE OF HOME LIFE. 11 Oct 1969 Accident SA/VE... VENUS RULES THE TWELFTH HOUSE OF HOSPITALS. TRANSIT VENUS WAS CONJUNCT KETU, UNDER THE ASPECT OF RAHU. 3 Dec 1974 Ambassador to Ghana SA/MO... MOON IS BLESSING THE SECOND HOUSE, GIVING STATUS AND PUBLIC FAVOR. 1 Jan 1977 Death mother SA/RA....RAHU WAS TRANSITING THE TWELFTH HOUSE OF LOSS, ASPECTING HER NATAL MOON, RULING MOTHER, IN THE EIGHTH HOUSE OF DEATH... So, it does seem that the Scorpio sign could work for her. BEST WISHES, DAVID HAWTHORNE Thanks for any opinions Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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