Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Correction of typo: The time is 3:49:25 PM (almost 3:50 PM). The rising degree is correct as given. SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Attached is information in French suggesting the independence of > Kosovo and the creation of the new Republic took place at 3:59:25 PM > giving 20° 01' Cancer rising. > > This chart places L1 Moon in 12th house in opposition to L6 Jupiter > in the 6th house MEP. The 2nd lord Sun is badly placed in the 6th > house and afflicted by Rahu, with also 10th lord Mars in 12th house > afflicted by Rahu. These placements suggest losses and setbacks to > self, status and position in world through conflict and bad judgement. > > I don´t know why this time is different from that announced, but it > seems to be a recording of the events as they took place in the > parliament. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > La proclamation unilatérale d'indépendance du Kosovo a été déclarée ce > dimanche 17 février 2008 à 15h49'25 " (*) CET à Pristina (42N39 21E10), > Kosovo, par le président du parlement. > > (*) 15h46'53 " = fin de la lecture de la déclaration d'indépendance > par le > 1er ministre > 15h49'25 " = proclamation unilatérale (après vote) de l'indépendance du > Kosovo > > -> il me semble que c'est 15h49'25 " qui est l'heure qui convient > > > Détails et autres heures (signatures, etc) ci-dessous. > > Note : j'ai assisté en direct sur Euronews à l'événement, à l'aide > d'une > montre réglée sur horloge atomique. > > Amicalement, > Marie-Christine > > > -------------------------- > > Détails de la déclaration d'indépendance du Kosovo > > 15h00 : début de l'assemblée plénière, dont le but est d'entériner la > création d'un nouvel état indépendant, et des nouveaux symboles de > cet état > indépendant, dont le drapeau. > > 15h04': début de la prise de parole du président du parlement du > Kosovo > 15h08' : interruption du président du parlement, celui-ci change de > place > > 15h08'50 " : le président du parlement poursuit et ouvre la session de > ce 17 > février - " 1er point, déclaration d'indépendance " > 15h09'30 " : applaudissements > le président du parlement poursuit : " 2e ordre du jour, vote pour les > symboles de l'Etat " > 15h10'20 " : vote à main levée (jusque 15h10'34 " ) - 104 députés > présents > 15h11'00 " : " qui est contre ? " le président du parlement constate que > personne n'est contre. > 15h11'16 " : vote approuvé (je suppose que ce vote portait sur les > symboles) > > 15h11'56 " : le président du parlement prie le 1er ministre de prendre > la > parole > > 15h12'00 " : début du discours de Hashim Thaci, 1er ministre. > Celui-ci salue tout le monde pour cette assemblée extraordinaire, et > insiste > sur le multi ethnicisme qui est important au Kosovo. > 15h24'00 " : fin du discours du 1er ministre devant le Parlement du > Kosovo. > > 15h24'29 " : début du discours du président du Kosovo, Fatimir Sejdiu. > 15h33'56 " : fin du discours du président du Kosovo : " que Dieu > bénisse le > Kosovo... " - applaudissements > > 15h34'30 " : le président du Parlement reprend la parole, et demande au > premier ministre de lire la déclaration d'indépendance. > > 15h34'58 " : le premier ministre, Hashim Thaci demande à tous de rester > debout. > 15h35'24 " : Le premier ministre dit qu'il va lire la déclaration > d'indépendance > > 15h36'18 " : début de la lecture de la déclaration d'indépendance (par > le 1er > ministre) > 15h39'24 " : Hashim Thaci lit : " nous déclarons que le Kosovo est un > état > libre, indépendant et démocratique " - applaudissements > 15h40'00 " : le premier ministre poursuit la lecture de la déclaration > d'indépendance : " ... conforme au pacte... nous déclarons le Kosovo > état > laïque, multi ethnique... " > 15h46'53 " : fin de la proclamation d'indépendance (de la lecture de la > déclaration d'indépendance par le 1er ministre) - applaudissements > (jusque > 15h47'47 " ) > > 15h47'47 " : le président du parlement reprend la parole, et dit que > le vote > à main levée va être tenu. > 15h48'53 " : " qui est pour ? " - vote à main levée - (c'est le premier > ministre qui parle). > 15h49'12 " : " qui est contre ? " - personne > 15h49'25 " : proclamation unilatérale de l'indépendance du Kosovo, > applaudissements. > > 15h50'31 " : le président du Parlement dit que le Kosovo est un état > indépendant - applaudissements > > 15h51 : le traducteur explique : " à partir de ce moment, la situation > politique du Kosovo est différente. C'est une république, un état > souverain, > indépendant, laïque. " > Dans les rues, c'est la liesse populaire (avant la signature donc). > > 15h53'33 " : euronews zappe les images de la liesse populaire pour > montrer le > 1er ministre (et qq'un d'autre) en train de signer la déclaration > d'indépendance (jusque 15h54'11 " ) > > > 15h58'25 " : Euronews change d'image et montre un homme en train de > signer > un document > > 15h59'32 " : Euronews zappe sur le discours (qui avait débuté + tôt) > du 1er > ministre serbe, Vojislav Kostunica, qui dit : > " que c'est un acte illégal... que l'Europe est responsable de la > violence > qui... que c'est L'Europe qui est humiliée, pas la Serbie...que les > USA > imposent leur loi en Europe...que la Serbie a été déchirée par les > bombes... > que la Serbie est un faux Etat qui a été créé... que c'est la > conséquence de > ce que l'OTAN a fait contre la Serbie... que Bush et les européens > sont > responsables de mettre la paix en danger... " > > 16h04 : le 1er ministre serbe poursuit : > " ... dé & sormais, la Serbie a décidé d'annuler la décision de l'Union > européenne d'envoyer des troupes au Kosovo... la Serbie ne reconnaît > pas le > Kosovo... les lois serbes s'appliquent au Kosovo " > (le 1er ministre serbe a des mots très durs contre le Kosovo, l'OTAN, > l'Europe et les USA) > " ... état fantoche... désormais oj fera des manifestations pacifiques > contre > la force qui nous a été imposée... on va démontrer la force du droit > et de > la justice " > > > Pour conclure, le journaliste explique que des violences sont à > craindre > entre albanais et serbes, surtout à Mitrovica (et l'on craint que > cette > région ne fasse sécession et veuille rejoindre la Serbie) > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Please find attached the chart for the independence of Kosovo, > which up until now has been a region within Serbia. The UN has > administered the region since 1999, following years of brutal war > crimes by Serbian forces. As the region already has a clearly defined > border and its own government, the independence declaration can > possibly be viewed as the birth moment of the new country. > > > > The 29° Gemini rising chart has L2 Moon in H1 opposite L7 Jupiter > in H7. This is the fame giving gajeskari yoga, suggesting that Kosovo > will enjoy status as a renowned country in Europe, possibly given the > fact that the majority of the population are muslims. Moreover, the > birth of the new country takes place in the Rahu-Moon period until > October 2008. The status of the country will begin on a very > favourable note. This period is followed by the Rahu-Mars period > until October 2009, when some problems are likely to crop up as L11 > Mars in H1 is afflicted by Rahu in the 9th house. However, as the > favourable Jupiter-Jupiter period begins in October 2009, the > influence of Kosovo will be felt more strongly. The affliction of L3 > Sun in the 9th house by Rahu suggests problems for the head of state. > However, as L9 Saturn is strong and well placed in the 3rd house, > this will add protective cover. The founding of the state comes > against the strong wishes of Serbia > > and Russia that it not take place. As a result, the independence > is seen as a victory for Europe and the more humane values of its > society compared to the past horrors of Soviet communism and more > recently the nationalist policies of Putin of Russia, as well as the > Serbian atrocities in Kosovo in the recent past. We could also note > that Montenegro has also declared independence a few years ago and is > now on track to become a member of the European Union. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > Last Updated: Sunday, 17 February 2008, 11:52 GMT > > > > E-mail this to a friend Printable version > > > > Kosovo begins independence move > > > > Albanian and American flags have been on prominent display > > Kosovo's parliament has been called into emergency session to > formally declare independence from Serbia. > > " We have to take decisions on the future of our nation, " Prime > Minister Hashim Thaci told reporters. MPs are expected to meet at > 1400 GMT. > > The US and a number of EU countries are expected to recognise > Kosovo on Monday. > > Serbia has threatened Kosovo with diplomatic and economic > sanctions, but not force. Its ally, Russia, also opposes Kosovan > independence. > > See a map of Kosovo's ethnic breakdown > > Correspondents say the potential for trouble between Kosovo's Serbs > and ethnic Albanians is enormous. > > Serbia's Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica is to make a televised > address at 1500 GMT. > > Flashpoint town > > " We are on the brink of a very crucial moment - an important > decision that will make us one of the free nations of the world, " Mr > Thaci told the media as he read the letter sent to the speaker of > parliament, Jakup Krasniqi, to request the special session. > > KOSOVO PROFILE > > Population about two million > > Majority ethnic Albanian; 10% Serb > > Under UN control since Nato drove out Serb forces in 1999 > > 2,000-strong EU staff to take over from UN after independence > > Nato to stay to provide security > > > > > > In pictures: Celebrations > > Kosovo youths eye future > > Serb and Albanian views > > He said the MPs would approve the declaration of independence and > would vote on the state symbols. > > Top leaders are due to go to a sports hall later where the Kosovo > Philharmonic Orchestra is expected to play Beethoven's Ode to Joy. > > Leaders were reportedly also due to sign their names on giant iron > letters spelling out the word " newborn " which was to be displayed in > Pristina. > > Fireworks and street celebrations will follow. Thousands of people > are pouring onto the streets. > > " This will be a joyful day, " Besnik Berisha, a Pristina resident, > told the Associated Press news agency. > > " The town looks great, and the party should start. " > > > > > > > > UK soldiers on standby > > Legal furore over recognition > > Some ethnic Albanians, who make up the majority of Kosovo's > population, have been laying flowers on the graves of family members > killed by Serbian security forces during years of conflict and > division. > > The BBC's Nick Thorpe in the flashpoint town of Mitrovica says > local and UN police, as well as the Nato troops, are maintaining a > high profile to reassure all the citizens of Kosovo that they have > nothing to fear. > > Limitations > > Kosovo's parliament is expected to endorse a declaration that > contains limitations on Kosovan independence as outlined in the UN > plan drawn up by former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari. > > Kosovo, or part of it, cannot join any other country. It will be > supervised by an international presence. Its armed forces will be > limited and it will make strong provisions for Serb minority > protection. > > HAVE YOUR SAY > > Unfortunately today Kosovo and Serbia are to become two dispensable > chess-pieces of EU/NATO and Russia > > Mat, Ljubljana, Slovenia > > Send us your comments > > Recognition by a number of EU states, including the UK and other > major countries, will come on Monday after a meeting of EU foreign > ministers in Brussels, says the BBC's Paul Reynolds. > > The US is also expected to announce its recognition on Monday. > > Three EU states - Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia - have told other EU > governments that they will not recognise Kosovo, says our > correspondent. > > Russia's foreign ministry has indicated that Western recognition of > an independent Kosovo could have implications for the Georgian > breakaway provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. > > The UN has administered Kosovo since a Nato bombing campaign in > 1999 drove out Serb forces. > > Show distribution of Albanians outside Kosovo > > > > > > Click to return > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Mobile. 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