Guest guest Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Dear Ron, Thanks for this. While Hillary Clinton impresses me as a Gemini ascendant, the 28° 36' Libra ascendant could also work for her. It shows less natal promise associated with importantly placed but weak planets and serious afflictions to senstive points, including the 7th house of spouse, but also an aspect from 5th lord Saturn on 10th house MEP to the 7th house. This chart shows a better period than the Gemini rising chart, but also that the adverse influence transit nodes would be felt at this time. Best wishes, Thor Hillary Clinton Oct 26, 1947 8:00 AM +06:00 CST Chicago, IL:USA Longitude: 87W39 Latitude: 41N51 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: VE/SA/SA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 28:36 Lib Vishakha Ju Sun 09:10 Lib +00:59:50 WK Swati Ra Moon 29:42 Aqu +12:37:48 WK P.Bhadra Ju Mars 20:52 Can +00:30:55 WK Aslesha Me MercR 28:16 Lib -00:06:54 FM Vishakha Ju Jupt 07:22 Sco +00:12:32 WK Anuradha Sa Ven 23:05 Lib +01:14:51 WK Vishakha Ju Sat 28:10 Can +00:04:04 WK Aslesha Me Rahu 00:26 Tau -00:03:19 FM Krittika Su Ketu 00:26 Sco -00:03:19 FM Vishakha Ju True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 625 beats Day: Sunday Sunrise: 6:16 AM Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi Yoga Pt: 12:12 Sg Yogi:Ke AviYogi:Ra Dup Yogi: Ju Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Debilitated, Weak Dispositor, Afflicted House and Mool MEPs Moon Good Placement, In Old Age: 94%, Weak Dispositor, Bright, Conjunct or Aspected by FM: Ke , Afflicted House MEP Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Weak Dispositor, Afflicted Mool MEP Mercury Good Placement, In Old Age: 65%, Weak Dispositor, Afflicts 1 7 house MEPs, Afflicted House MEP Jupiter Good Placement, Afflicted Mool MEP Venus Good Placement, Afflicted House and Mool MEPs Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 63%, Weak Dispositor, Afflicted Mool MEP Rahu Bad Placement, Afflicts 1 3 7 11 house MEPs, Ketu Good Placement, Afflicts 1 5 7 9 house MEPs, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 8 * * 6 ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * KE 00:26 * * * * * JU 07:22* SU 09:10 * * * * * * VE 23:05 * * * * * 7 MER28:16 * 5 * * * * AS 28:36 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * MA 20:52 ** *10 * 4 SA 28:10 * ** * * ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *MO 29:42 * 1 * 3 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RA 00:26 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 12 * * 2 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 4 * * 2 ** *5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * AS * * * * * 3 MO * 1 VE * * * * MER * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *6 JU * 12 SA * ** * * ** *7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 9 SU * 11 * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * * RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 8 * * 10 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Ju/Mo 4.7.1947 Ju/Ma 2.11.1948 Ju/Ra 8.10.1949 Sa/Sa 3.3.1952 Sa/Me 7.3.1955 Sa/Ke 14.11.1957 Sa/Ve 24.12.1958 Sa/Su 22.2.1962 Sa/Mo 4.2.1963 Sa/Ma 5.9.1964 Sa/Ra 14.10.1965 Sa/Ju 20.8.1968 Me/Me 4.3.1971 Me/Ke 30.7.1973 Me/Ve 28.7.1974 Me/Su 27.5.1977 Me/Mo 3.4.1978 Me/Ma 2.9.1979 Me/Ra 30.8.1980 Me/Ju 19.3.1983 Me/Sa 24.6.1985 Ke/Ke 3.3.1988 Ke/Ve 30.7.1988 Ke/Su 29.9.1989 Ke/Mo 4.2.1990 Ke/Ma 5.9.1990 Ke/Ra 1.2.1991 Ke/Ju 20.2.1992 Ke/Sa 26.1.1993 Ke/Me 7.3.1994 Ve/Ve 4.3.1995 Ve/Su 3.7.1998 Ve/Mo 3.7.1999 Ve/Ma 3.3.2001 Ve/Ra 3.5.2002 Ve/Ju 3.5.2005 Ve/Sa 2.1.2008 Ve/Me 4.3.2011 Ve/Ke 2.1.2014 Su/Su 4.3.2015 Su/Mo 21.6.2015 Su/Ma 21.12.2015 Su/Ra 27.4.2016 Su/Ju 22.3.2017 Su/Sa 8.1.2018 Su/Me 21.12.2018 Su/Ke 27.10.2019 Su/Ve 3.3.2020 Mo/Mo 3.3.2021 Mo/Ma 2.1.2022 Mo/Ra 3.8.2022 Mo/Ju 2.2.2024 Mo/Sa 3.6.2025 Mo/Me 2.1.2027 Mo/Ke 2.6.2028 Mo/Ve 1.1.2029 Mo/Su 2.9.2030 Ma/Ma 4.3.2031 Ma/Ra 31.7.2031 Ma/Ju 17.8.2032 Ma/Sa 24.7.2033 Ma/Me 2.9.2034 Ma/Ke 30.8.2035 Ma/Ve 26.1.2036 Ma/Su 28.3.2037 Ma/Mo 2.8.2037 Ra/Ra 4.3.2038 Ra/Ju 14.11.2040 Ra/Sa 9.4.2043 Ra/Me 13.2.2046 Ra/Ke 2.9.2048 Ra/Ve 20.9.2049 Ra/Su 20.9.2052 Ra/Mo 15.8.2053 Ra/Ma 13.2.2055 SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar wrote: > > This was from the Noel Tyl site. > > " The credit for correcting Hilary Clinton's birthtime from 8.00 pm CST > to 8.00 am CST belongs to the late, highly experienced and ultra keen, > Frances McEvoy of Boston. The conversations with Hilary's family and > add-ons in the drama to ascertain the correct time were all covered in > detail in Boston's " The Astrologer's Newsletter " February/March 1998 > volume XV11, No 6. > > The time is definitely 8.00 am CST October 26 1947, Chicago. > > Noel Tyl " > > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 >>While Hillary Clinton impresses me as a Gemini ascendant, the 28° 36' Libra ascendant could also work for her. It shows less natal promise associated with importantly placed but weak planets and serious afflictions to senstive points, including the 7th house of spouse, but also an aspect from 5th lord Saturn on 10th house MEP to the 7th house. This chart shows a better period than the Gemini rising chart, but also that the adverse influence transit nodes would be felt at this time.<< Hillary Clinton’s campaign for the Democratic nomination is now entering the realm of the long shot. The political betting site intrade.com now lists her chances as just 17%. This would be a good time to make a prediction that she can become president and based on the Libra ascendant chart which has the following strengths. 1. Functional benefic Saturn well placed in the 10H aspects 12H, 4H, 7H. 2. Sun although debilitated is well placed and has strong dispositor in ascendant lord Venus. 3. Mars is debilitated but has exaltation in the navamsa. 4. Mercury 12L afflicts the ascendant but since the ascendant is strong this effect is countered to a certain extent. This is the main affliction in the chart. 5. The dasa period is Venus. This is a good period and Venus is helping to uplift the deb. Sun. It would be interesting to see the transits for charts of family members. ( not the husband since this is a controversial BT) I think a correct BT is available for the daughter. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Hello Ron, Thanks for the idea of looking at Hillary Clinton's daughter's chart for a clue to Hillary's future. I had the good fortune of meeting Chelsea when she came to town a few weeks ago to campaign on behalf of her mother. Here is the correct birth time for Chelsea Clinton. February 27, 1980 11:24 PM CST Little Rock, Arkansas 92W17, 34N45 Rodden Rating: A (Accurate data as quoted by the person, kin, friend, or associate) Here we see Libra rising at 22:46. Mother is represented by the Moon in its own sign in the house of profession and high visibility. It is weak by debilitation in Navamsa. Currently, Chelsea is in a Venus subperiod. Venus is in old age in H6 of conflicts. Certainly, her mom has had her ups and downs as the President's wife and now as a presidential candidate. Chelsea herself had some negative press lately which her mom had to defend.The Sun subperiod begins on March 15. The Sun is well placed, but its house is widely influenced by malefic Mercury and its dispositor is weak. Transiting Mercury could explain her mom's drop in the primaries and caucuses lately. It has been influencing natal Moon since February 8 which coincidentally is when she started consistently losing to Obama. It will clear its five degree orb just in time for the March 4 primaries which many say she must win to survive. If Chelsea's chart is any indication, Hillary will prevail. Warm regards, Shayn SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar wrote: > > >>While Hillary Clinton impresses me as a Gemini ascendant, the 28° 36' > Libra ascendant could also work for her. It shows less natal promise > associated with importantly placed but weak planets and serious > afflictions to senstive points, including the 7th house of spouse, but > also an aspect from 5th lord Saturn on 10th house MEP to the 7th house. > This chart shows a better period than the Gemini rising chart, but also > that the adverse influence transit nodes would be felt at this time.<< > > > Hillary Clinton's campaign for the Democratic nomination is now entering > the realm of the long shot. The political betting site intrade.com now > lists her chances as just 17%. > > This would be a good time to make a prediction that she can become > president and based on the Libra ascendant chart which has the following > strengths. > > 1. Functional benefic Saturn well placed in the 10H aspects 12H, 4H, 7H. > 2. Sun although debilitated is well placed and has strong dispositor in > ascendant lord Venus. > 3. Mars is debilitated but has exaltation in the navamsa. > 4. Mercury 12L afflicts the ascendant but since the ascendant is strong > this effect is countered to a certain extent. This is the main > affliction in the chart. > 5. The dasa period is Venus. This is a good period and Venus is helping > to uplift the deb. Sun. > > > It would be interesting to see the transits for charts of family > members. ( not the husband since this is a controversial BT) I think > a correct BT is available for the daughter. > > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 And prevail she did yesterday when all looked bleak a week ago. Systems' Approach once again shines in its accuracy... Warm regards,Shayn Shayn Smith <mactunesmithSAMVA Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:21:20 AM Re: Hillary Clinton Birth Data Hello Ron,Thanks for the idea of looking at Hillary Clinton's daughter's chart for a clue to Hillary's future. I had the good fortune of meeting Chelsea when she came to town a few weeks ago to campaign on behalf of her mother. Here is the correct birth time for Chelsea Clinton. February 27, 198011:24 PM CSTLittle Rock, Arkansas 92W17, 34N45Rodden Rating: A (Accurate data as quoted by the person, kin, friend, or associate)Here we see Libra rising at 22:46. Mother is represented by the Moon in its own sign in the house of profession and high visibility. It is weak by debilitation in Navamsa. Currently, Chelsea is in a Venus subperiod. Venus is in old age in H6 of conflicts. Certainly, her mom has had her ups and downs as the President's wife and now as a presidential candidate. Chelsea herself had some negative press lately which her mom had to defend.The Sun subperiod begins on March 15. The Sun is well placed, but its house is widely influenced by malefic Mercury and its dispositor is weak. Transiting Mercury could explain her mom's drop in the primaries and caucuses lately. It has been influencing natal Moon since February 8 which coincidentally is when she started consistently losing to Obama. It will clear its five degree orb just in time for the March 4 primaries which many say she must win to survive. If Chelsea's chart is any indication, Hillary will prevail.Warm regards,ShaynSAMVA , RonDay <ronkar wrote:>> >>While Hillary Clinton impresses me as a Gemini ascendant, the 28° 36' > Libra ascendant could also work for her. It shows less natal promise > associated with importantly placed but weak planets and serious > afflictions to senstive points, including the 7th house of spouse, but > also an aspect from 5th lord Saturn on 10th house MEP to the 7th house. > This chart shows a better period than the Gemini rising chart, but also > that the adverse influence transit nodes would be felt at this time.<<> > > Hillary Clinton's campaign for the Democratic nomination is now entering > the realm of the long shot. The political betting site intrade.com now > lists her chances as just 17%.> > This would be a good time to make a prediction that she can become > president and based on the Libra ascendant chart which has the following > strengths.> > 1. Functional benefic Saturn well placed in the 10H aspects 12H, 4H, 7H.> 2. Sun although debilitated is well placed and has strong dispositor in > ascendant lord Venus.> 3. Mars is debilitated but has exaltation in the navamsa.> 4. Mercury 12L afflicts the ascendant but since the ascendant is strong > this effect is countered to a certain extent. This is the main > affliction in the chart.> 5. The dasa period is Venus. This is a good period and Venus is helping > to uplift the deb. Sun.> > > It would be interesting to see the transits for charts of family > members. ( not the husband since this is a controversial BT) I think > a correct BT is available for the daughter.> > > Ron> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Dear Shayn, Congratulations on your correct prediction concerning Hillary's fortunes based on her daughters chart. Best wishes, Thor Shayn Smith <mactunesmithSAMVA Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 2:14:41 PMRe: Re: Hillary Clinton Birth Data And prevail she did yesterday when all looked bleak a week ago. Systems' Approach once again shines in its accuracy... Warm regards,Shayn Shayn Smith <mactunesmithSAMVA Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:21:20 AM Re: Hillary Clinton Birth Data Hello Ron,Thanks for the idea of looking at Hillary Clinton's daughter's chart for a clue to Hillary's future. I had the good fortune of meeting Chelsea when she came to town a few weeks ago to campaign on behalf of her mother. Here is the correct birth time for Chelsea Clinton. February 27, 198011:24 PM CSTLittle Rock, Arkansas 92W17, 34N45Rodden Rating: A (Accurate data as quoted by the person, kin, friend, or associate)Here we see Libra rising at 22:46. Mother is represented by the Moon in its own sign in the house of profession and high visibility. It is weak by debilitation in Navamsa. Currently, Chelsea is in a Venus subperiod. Venus is in old age in H6 of conflicts. Certainly, her mom has had her ups and downs as the President's wife and now as a presidential candidate. Chelsea herself had some negative press lately which her mom had to defend.The Sun subperiod begins on March 15. The Sun is well placed, but its house is widely influenced by malefic Mercury and its dispositor is weak. Transiting Mercury could explain her mom's drop in the primaries and caucuses lately. It has been influencing natal Moon since February 8 which coincidentally is when she started consistently losing to Obama. It will clear its five degree orb just in time for the March 4 primaries which many say she must win to survive. If Chelsea's chart is any indication, Hillary will prevail.Warm regards,ShaynSAMVA , RonDay <ronkar wrote:>> >>While Hillary Clinton impresses me as a Gemini ascendant, the 28° 36' > Libra ascendant could also work for her. It shows less natal promise > associated with importantly placed but weak planets and serious > afflictions to senstive points, including the 7th house of spouse, but > also an aspect from 5th lord Saturn on 10th house MEP to the 7th house. > This chart shows a better period than the Gemini rising chart, but also > that the adverse influence transit nodes would be felt at this time.<<> > > Hillary Clinton's campaign for the Democratic nomination is now entering > the realm of the long shot. The political betting site intrade.com now > lists her chances as just 17%.> > This would be a good time to make a prediction that she can become > president and based on the Libra ascendant chart which has the following > strengths.> > 1. Functional benefic Saturn well placed in the 10H aspects 12H, 4H, 7H.> 2. Sun although debilitated is well placed and has strong dispositor in > ascendant lord Venus.> 3. Mars is debilitated but has exaltation in the navamsa.> 4. Mercury 12L afflicts the ascendant but since the ascendant is strong > this effect is countered to a certain extent. This is the main > affliction in the chart.> 5. The dasa period is Venus. This is a good period and Venus is helping > to uplift the deb. Sun.> > > It would be interesting to see the transits for charts of family > members. ( not the husband since this is a controversial BT) I think > a correct BT is available for the daughter.> > > Ron> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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