Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dear friends, For those of you may like to check the life events of Barack Obama against his chart, I attach some information from mostly Wikipedia. Best wishes, Thor Barack Hussein Obama, Jr was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii FAMILY LIFE Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother. His parents separated when he was two Spent most of his early life in Honolulu, Hawaii From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta with his mother and Indonesian stepfather 1991: engaged Oct 18, 1992: married 1998: the first daughter is born 2001: a second daughter is born. EDUCATION A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School 1988: entered Harvard Law School 1990: The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history". 1991: completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE Before running for public office was - Community organizer - University lecturer - Civil rights lawyer POLITICAL CAREER 1997 to 2004: served in the Illinois Senate from . 2000: unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives October 2002: delivered speech against the pending Iraq war - a revolutionary stance 2003: announced campaign for U.S. Senate. July 26, 2004; delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention November 2004: elected to the U.S. Senate in with 70% of the vote. Junior United States Senator from Illinois. February 10, 2007: Announced his presidential campaign in Springfield, Illinois Leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election AUTHOR Has written two bestselling books: - Dreams from My Father, a memoir of his youth. - The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics FUND RAISER Powerful fund raise. His presidential campaign raised US$58 million during the first half of 2007, topping all other candidates. In the first month of 2008, his campaign brought in $36.8 million, the most ever raised in one month by a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries. ANTI-WAR POSITION Early opponent of Bush administration policies on Iraq October 2, 2002: the day Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Obama addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally in Federal Plaza, saying: "I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars." March 16, 2003: the day Bush issued his 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq before the U.S. invasion of Iraq Obama addressed the largest Chicago anti-Iraq War rally to date in Daley Plaza and told the crowd "It's not too late" to stop the war. NET WORTH/HOME Applying the proceeds of a $2 million book deal, the family paid off debts in 2005 and moved from a Hyde Park, Chicago condominium to their current $1.6-million house in neighboring Kenwood HONORS An October 2005 article in the British journal New Statesman listed Obama as one of "10 people who could change the world in 2007, Time magazine named him one of "the world's most influential people During his first three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama received Honorary Doctorates of Law from Knox College 2005 University of Massachusetts Boston 2006 Northwestern University 2006 Xavier University of Louisiana 2006 Southern New Hampshire University 2007 Howard University 2007 KEY POLITICAL OPPONENT for nomination of Democratic Party Hillary Clinton (7° Gemini rising chart also attached) QUOTE BY HILLARY CLINTON March 2, 2008: "Barack Obama is not a Muslim, as far as I know." Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dear Thor, Thank you very much for Obama's information. With Regards, Khin.Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear friends, For those of you may like to check the life events of Barack Obama against his chart, I attach some information from mostly Wikipedia. Best wishes, Thor Barack Hussein Obama, Jr was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii FAMILY LIFE Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother. His parents separated when he was two Spent most of his early life in Honolulu, Hawaii From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta with his mother and Indonesian stepfather 1991: engaged Oct 18, 1992: married 1998: the first daughter is born 2001: a second daughter is born. EDUCATION A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School 1988: entered Harvard Law School 1990: The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history". 1991: completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE Before running for public office was - Community organizer - University lecturer - Civil rights lawyer POLITICAL CAREER 1997 to 2004: served in the Illinois Senate from . 2000: unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives October 2002: delivered speech against the pending Iraq war - a revolutionary stance 2003: announced campaign for U.S. Senate. July 26, 2004; delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention November 2004: elected to the U.S. Senate in with 70% of the vote. Junior United States Senator from Illinois. February 10, 2007: Announced his presidential campaign in Springfield, Illinois Leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election AUTHOR Has written two bestselling books: - Dreams from My Father, a memoir of his youth. - The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics FUND RAISER Powerful fund raise. His presidential campaign raised US$58 million during the first half of 2007, topping all other candidates. In the first month of 2008, his campaign brought in $36.8 million, the most ever raised in one month by a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries. ANTI-WAR POSITION Early opponent of Bush administration policies on Iraq October 2, 2002: the day Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Obama addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally in Federal Plaza, saying: "I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars." March 16, 2003: the day Bush issued his 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq before the U.S. invasion of Iraq Obama addressed the largest Chicago anti-Iraq War rally to date in Daley Plaza and told the crowd "It's not too late" to stop the war. NET WORTH/HOME Applying the proceeds of a $2 million book deal, the family paid off debts in 2005 and moved from a Hyde Park, Chicago condominium to their current $1.6-million house in neighboring Kenwood HONORS An October 2005 article in the British journal New Statesman listed Obama as one of "10 people who could change the world in 2007, Time magazine named him one of "the world's most influential people During his first three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama received Honorary Doctorates of Law from Knox College 2005 University of Massachusetts Boston 2006 Northwestern University 2006 Xavier University of Louisiana 2006 Southern New Hampshire University 2007 Howard University 2007 KEY POLITICAL OPPONENT for nomination of Democratic Party Hillary Clinton (7° Gemini rising chart also attached) QUOTE BY HILLARY CLINTON March 2, 2008: "Barack Obama is not a Muslim, as far as I know." Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dear Thor, Thanks for the summary on Obama. When there is questionable and conflicting birth data it is often better to start from scratch using the available biographical data to determine a possible ascendant. In the case of Barack Obama there is a key event in his life which should be seen in the natal chart. This is the family disruption he experienced at age of 2 yrs. His parents separated and his father moved overseas. Obama was also in a foreign country between ages 6-10. He lived with his maternal grandparents from age 10 to 18. A birth time giving a Libra ascendant does not show this significant event . It is an event which shaped the course of his life. The following points suggest that his ascendant should be Capricorn. I have started with 14 deg Cp. 1. A possible nodal affliction to the 2H(family) 2. A weak 4H. Mars Lord of 4H(home and happiness) is in a late degree in the 8H. This is a placement for addictions and separation from the place of birth. As a young adult he had to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years to " push questions of who I was out of my mind " . 3. Early loss of father. 12L Ju aspects 9L Me. Parents’ separation happened in Mo dasa. Mo is afflicted by Ju natally and by Ra in D4. 4. The 10L(Ve) placement in 6H is favourable for doctors and lawyers. Obama went to law school and worked as an associate attorney and state legislator. 5. The chart should show prowess at sport. Obama has played competitive basketball and he described this as one of the constants of his life before the election campaign. He also has a talent at playing the card game poker. Venus in 6H gives a love of competition. There are no MT signs in 3H, 5H or 6H so we need to see where sporting ability is shown. 6. Capricorn ascendant can show a strongly ambitious nature since Saturn is exalted in 10H of career. Capricorn natives often desire leadership, political power and practice law and business. Ron Cosmologer wrote: > Dear friends, > > For those of you may like to check the life events of Barack Obama against his chart, I attach some information from mostly Wikipedia. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > Barack Hussein Obama, Jr was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii > > FAMILY LIFE > Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother. > His parents separated when he was two > Spent most of his early life in Honolulu, Hawaii >>From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta with his mother and Indonesian stepfather > 1991: engaged > Oct 18, 1992: married > 1998: the first daughter is born > 2001: a second daughter is born. > > EDUCATION > A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School > 1988: entered Harvard Law School > 1990: The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's " first black president in its 104-year history " . > 1991: completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude > > PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE > Before running for public office was > - Community organizer > - University lecturer > - Civil rights lawyer > > POLITICAL CAREER > 1997 to 2004: served in the Illinois Senate from . > 2000: unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives > October 2002: delivered speech against the pending Iraq war - a revolutionary stance > 2003: announced campaign for U.S. Senate. > July 26, 2004; delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention > November 2004: elected to the U.S. Senate in with 70% of the vote. > Junior United States Senator from Illinois. > February 10, 2007: Announced his presidential campaign in Springfield, Illinois > Leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election > > AUTHOR > Has written two bestselling books: > - Dreams from My Father, a memoir of his youth. > - The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics > > FUND RAISER > Powerful fund raise. His presidential campaign raised US$58 million during the first half of 2007, topping all other candidates. In the first month of 2008, his campaign brought in $36.8 million, the most ever raised in one month by a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries. > > ANTI-WAR POSITION > Early opponent of Bush administration policies on Iraq > October 2, 2002: the day Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Obama addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally in Federal Plaza, saying: > > " I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. " > > March 16, 2003: the day Bush issued his 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq before the U.S. invasion of Iraq Obama addressed the largest Chicago anti-Iraq War rally to date in Daley Plaza and told the crowd " It's not too late " to stop the war. > > NET WORTH/HOME > Applying the proceeds of a $2 million book deal, the family paid off debts in 2005 and moved from a Hyde Park, Chicago condominium to their current $1.6-million house in neighboring Kenwood > > HONORS > An October 2005 article in the British journal New Statesman listed Obama as one of " 10 people who could change the world > in 2007, Time magazine named him one of " the world's most influential people > During his first three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama received Honorary Doctorates of Law from Knox College 2005 > University of Massachusetts Boston 2006 > Northwestern University 2006 > Xavier University of Louisiana 2006 > Southern New Hampshire University 2007 > Howard University 2007 > > KEY POLITICAL OPPONENT for nomination of Democratic Party > Hillary Clinton (7° Gemini rising chart also attached) > > QUOTE BY HILLARY CLINTON > March 2, 2008: " Barack Obama is not a Muslim, as far as I know. " > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > > > ------ > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Khin, You are welcome! Hopefully list members will find the time to examine the chart data in terms of the events. , based on this time and 24° Libra rising for Obama and the 7° Gemini rising for Hillary Clinton, has predicted Hillary will become the next President of the USA. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Khin Maung Soe \(Numan\) " <kmsoe2001 wrote: > > Dear Thor, > Thank you very much for Obama's information. > With Regards, > > Khin. > > Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > Dear friends, > > For those of you may like to check the life events of Barack Obama against his chart, I attach some information from mostly Wikipedia. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > Barack Hussein Obama, Jr was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii > > FAMILY LIFE > Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother. > His parents separated when he was two > Spent most of his early life in Honolulu, Hawaii > From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta with his mother and Indonesian stepfather > 1991: engaged > Oct 18, 1992: married > 1998: the first daughter is born > 2001: a second daughter is born. > > EDUCATION > A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School > 1988: entered Harvard Law School > 1990: The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's " first black president in its 104-year history " . > 1991: completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude > > PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE > Before running for public office was > - Community organizer > - University lecturer > - Civil rights lawyer > > POLITICAL CAREER > 1997 to 2004: served in the Illinois Senate from . > 2000: unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives > October 2002: delivered speech against the pending Iraq war - a revolutionary stance > 2003: announced campaign for U.S. Senate. > July 26, 2004; delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention > November 2004: elected to the U.S. Senate in with 70% of the vote. > Junior United States Senator from Illinois. > February 10, 2007: Announced his presidential campaign in Springfield, Illinois > Leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election > > AUTHOR > Has written two bestselling books: > - Dreams from My Father, a memoir of his youth. > - The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics > > FUND RAISER > Powerful fund raise. His presidential campaign raised US$58 million during the first half of 2007, topping all other candidates. In the first month of 2008, his campaign brought in $36.8 million, the most ever raised in one month by a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries. > > ANTI-WAR POSITION > Early opponent of Bush administration policies on Iraq > October 2, 2002: the day Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Obama addressed the first high- profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally in Federal Plaza, saying: > > " I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. " > > March 16, 2003: the day Bush issued his 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq before the U.S. invasion of Iraq Obama addressed the largest Chicago anti-Iraq War rally to date in Daley Plaza and told the crowd " It's not too late " to stop the war. > > > NET WORTH/HOME > Applying the proceeds of a $2 million book deal, the family paid off debts in 2005 and moved from a Hyde Park, Chicago condominium to their current $1.6-million house in neighboring Kenwood > > HONORS > An October 2005 article in the British journal New Statesman listed Obama as one of " 10 people who could change the world > in 2007, Time magazine named him one of " the world's most influential people > During his first three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama received Honorary Doctorates of Law from Knox College 2005 > University of Massachusetts Boston 2006 > Northwestern University 2006 > Xavier University of Louisiana 2006 > Southern New Hampshire University 2007 > Howard University 2007 > > KEY POLITICAL OPPONENT for nomination of Democratic Party > Hillary Clinton (7° Gemini rising chart also attached) > > QUOTE BY HILLARY CLINTON > March 2, 2008: " Barack Obama is not a Muslim, as far as I know. " > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Ron, Thanks for making the first effort on SAMVA to rectify the chart. We can also explore the Capricorn ascendant for him. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar wrote: > > Dear Thor, > Thanks for the summary on Obama. > > When there is questionable and conflicting birth data it is often better > to start from scratch using the available biographical data to determine > a possible ascendant. > > In the case of Barack Obama there is a key event in his life which > should be seen in the natal chart. This is the family disruption he > experienced at age of 2 yrs. His parents separated and his father moved > overseas. Obama was also in a foreign country between ages 6-10. He > lived with his maternal grandparents from age 10 to 18. > A birth time giving a Libra ascendant does not show this significant > event . It is an event which shaped the course of his life. > The following points suggest that his ascendant should be Capricorn. I > have started with 14 deg Cp. > > 1. A possible nodal affliction to the 2H(family) > > 2. A weak 4H. Mars Lord of 4H(home and happiness) is in a late degree in > the 8H. This is a placement for addictions and separation from the place > of birth. > As a young adult he had to reconcile social perceptions of his > multiracial heritage He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana, and > cocaine during his teenage years to " push questions of who I was out of > my mind " . > > 3. Early loss of father. 12L Ju aspects 9L Me. Parents' separation > happened in Mo dasa. Mo is afflicted by Ju natally and by Ra in D4. > > 4. The 10L(Ve) placement in 6H is favourable for doctors and lawyers. > Obama went to law school and worked as an associate attorney and state > legislator. > > 5. The chart should show prowess at sport. Obama has played competitive > basketball and he described this as one of the constants of his life > before the election campaign. He also has a talent at playing the card > game poker. Venus in 6H gives a love of competition. There are no MT > signs in 3H, 5H or 6H so we need to see where sporting ability is shown. > > 6. Capricorn ascendant can show a strongly ambitious nature since Saturn > is exalted in 10H of career. Capricorn natives often desire leadership, > political power and practice law and business. > > > > Ron > > > Cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > For those of you may like to check the life events of Barack Obama against his chart, I attach some information from mostly Wikipedia. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > Barack Hussein Obama, Jr was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii > > > > FAMILY LIFE > > Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother. > > His parents separated when he was two > > Spent most of his early life in Honolulu, Hawaii > >>From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta with his mother and Indonesian stepfather > > 1991: engaged > > Oct 18, 1992: married > > 1998: the first daughter is born > > 2001: a second daughter is born. > > > > EDUCATION > > A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School > > 1988: entered Harvard Law School > > 1990: The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's " first black president in its 104-year history " . > > 1991: completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude > > > > PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE > > Before running for public office was > > - Community organizer > > - University lecturer > > - Civil rights lawyer > > > > POLITICAL CAREER > > 1997 to 2004: served in the Illinois Senate from . > > 2000: unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives > > October 2002: delivered speech against the pending Iraq war - a revolutionary stance > > 2003: announced campaign for U.S. Senate. > > July 26, 2004; delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention > > November 2004: elected to the U.S. Senate in with 70% of the vote. > > Junior United States Senator from Illinois. > > February 10, 2007: Announced his presidential campaign in Springfield, Illinois > > Leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election > > > > AUTHOR > > Has written two bestselling books: > > - Dreams from My Father, a memoir of his youth. > > - The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics > > > > FUND RAISER > > Powerful fund raise. His presidential campaign raised US$58 million during the first half of 2007, topping all other candidates. In the first month of 2008, his campaign brought in $36.8 million, the most ever raised in one month by a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries. > > > > ANTI-WAR POSITION > > Early opponent of Bush administration policies on Iraq > > October 2, 2002: the day Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Obama addressed the first high- profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally in Federal Plaza, saying: > > > > " I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. " > > > > March 16, 2003: the day Bush issued his 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq before the U.S. invasion of Iraq Obama addressed the largest Chicago anti-Iraq War rally to date in Daley Plaza and told the crowd " It's not too late " to stop the war. > > > > NET WORTH/HOME > > Applying the proceeds of a $2 million book deal, the family paid off debts in 2005 and moved from a Hyde Park, Chicago condominium to their current $1.6-million house in neighboring Kenwood > > > > HONORS > > An October 2005 article in the British journal New Statesman listed Obama as one of " 10 people who could change the world > > in 2007, Time magazine named him one of " the world's most influential people > > During his first three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama received Honorary Doctorates of Law from Knox College 2005 > > University of Massachusetts Boston 2006 > > Northwestern University 2006 > > Xavier University of Louisiana 2006 > > Southern New Hampshire University 2007 > > Howard University 2007 > > > > KEY POLITICAL OPPONENT for nomination of Democratic Party > > Hillary Clinton (7° Gemini rising chart also attached) > > > > QUOTE BY HILLARY CLINTON > > March 2, 2008: " Barack Obama is not a Muslim, as far as I know. " > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > ------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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