Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Dear Vyas and friends, What do you think explains the following news that China has been rapidly expanding its military assets in the past decade? The increase in spending on the military is starting to concern some people. Best wishes, Thor China to Increase Military SpendingRise of 17 Percent Continues Decade-Long Military Buildup By Jill DrewWashington Post Foreign ServiceTuesday, March 4, 2008; 12:58 PM BEIJING, March 5 -- China announced Tuesday that it will again sharply increase its military spending this year, budgeting a 17.6 percent rise that is roughly equal to last year's increase. Disclosure of plans for a $59 billion outlay in 2008 followed a U.S. report Monday that raised questions about China's rapidly increasing military budget, and less than three weeks before a presidential election in Taiwan, the island over which China claims sovereignty but which is self-governed. A Chinese spokesman said the country's decade-long military buildup does "not pose a threat to any country," but he warned that relations with Taiwan in a "crucial stage" and the island would "surely pay a dear price" if it were to take steps that China viewed as a declaration of independence. A $59 billion budget is still a fraction of what the United States spends each year on its armed forces. President Bush last month requested $515 billion to fund the Pentagon, an amount that does not include spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The United States has pressed China to be more open about its intentions as the pace and scope of its military capabilities increase. At a Monday briefing at the Pentagon, David Sedney, deputy assistant secretary of defense for East Asia, reiterated the U.S. view that China's defense establishment still severely underreports total spending and has not been clear about its intentions. "China's military buildup has been characterized by the opacity," Sedney told reporters, and "by the inability of people in the region and around the world to really know what ties together the capabilities that China's acquiring with the intentions it has." The Pentagon report said China's near-term focus remains on preparing for potential problems in the Taiwan Strait. But China's nuclear force modernization, its growing arsenal of advanced missiles, and its forays into space and cyber-space technologies are changing military balances in Asia and beyond, the report concluded. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told a news conference in Beijing that the United States was stuck in a "Cold War mentality" and that the annual Pentagon report on China's military power, mandated by Congress since 1999, "is a serious distortion of facts and attempts to interfere in China's internal affairs." Jiang Enzhu, spokesman for China's National People's Congress, said the extra money in China's 2008 military budget would fund only a "moderate increase" in weapons purchases. The bulk of the increase would go for higher salaries for military personnel, the rising cost of oil supplies and for training programs, he said. He noted the country has a long-held plan to modernize its forces and that the increasing pace of spending is still below the country's rapid economic growth rate. Jiang said that between 2003 and 2007, China's national defense spending increased by an annual average of 15.8 percent, while government revenue over the same period increased by an annual average of 22.1 percent. He said China's defense spending was the equivalent of 1.4 percent of the nation's gross domestic product last year. By comparison, U.S. spending was 4.6 percent of GDP, he said, and Britain's was 3 percent. Although the Pentagon report raised questions about China's military intentions, Sedney told reporters Monday that he had just returned from a round of talks with his Chinese counterparts that were "surprisingly successful." In addition to the agreement to establish a military telephone link between the two countries, announced last week, he said, the two sides agreed to move forward in a dialogue on nuclear strategy and policy. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Dear Thor, The natal potential would be the key: 1) Rahu from the 5H (inclinations) closely influence of the natal house of Mars, the significator of the military, and here the ruler of the 6H. 2) Mars' aspect to 12L Venus (expenditure on items of war) , which is infact coloured by the above. . 3) Ketu influences the 3H; this can also be important, giving a burst of violent energy. The 11H where Ke is placed, contains the Sun which disposits the Moon LO9 (Ma is in the H9), and Sa LO4 (masses). Not to mention, Ke closely aspects its lord, Me. It was in the Ra/Ke period, followed by Ra/Ve that this received interest, publicly. Such a story on the 4th March, see MMP Ve on the 3H MEP. With this debilitated Mars under Rahu's influence, ultimately it's better to show its fangs than to actually bite. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <samva > Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:28 AM China to Increase Military Spending Dear Vyas and friends, What do you think explains the following news that China has been rapidly expanding its military assets in the past decade? The increase in spending on the military is starting to concern some people. Best wishes, Thor China to Increase Military Spending Rise of 17 Percent Continues Decade-Long Military Buildup By Jill Drew Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, March 4, 2008; 12:58 PM BEIJING, March 5 -- China announced Tuesday that it will again sharply increase its military spending this year, budgeting a 17.6 percent rise that is roughly equal to last year's increase. Disclosure of plans for a $59 billion outlay in 2008 followed a U.S. report Monday that raised questions about China's rapidly increasing military budget, and less than three weeks before a presidential election in Taiwan, the island over which China claims sovereignty but which is self-governed. A Chinese spokesman said the country's decade-long military buildup does " not pose a threat to any country, " but he warned that relations with Taiwan in a " crucial stage " and the island would " surely pay a dear price " if it were to take steps that China viewed as a declaration of independence. A $59 billion budget is still a fraction of what the United States spends each year on its armed forces. President Bush last month requested $515 billion to fund the Pentagon, an amount that does not include spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The United States has pressed China to be more open about its intentions as the pace and scope of its military capabilities increase. At a Monday briefing at the Pentagon, David Sedney, deputy assistant secretary of defense for East Asia, reiterated the U.S. view that China's defense establishment still severely underreports total spending and has not been clear about its intentions. " China's military buildup has been characterized by the opacity, " Sedney told reporters, and " by the inability of people in the region and around the world to really know what ties together the capabilities that China's acquiring with the intentions it has. " The Pentagon report said China's near-term focus remains on preparing for potential problems in the Taiwan Strait. But China's nuclear force modernization, its growing arsenal of advanced missiles, and its forays into space and cyber-space technologies are changing military balances in Asia and beyond, the report concluded. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told a news conference in Beijing that the United States was stuck in a " Cold War mentality " and that the annual Pentagon report on China's military power, mandated by Congress since 1999, " is a serious distortion of facts and attempts to interfere in China's internal affairs. " Jiang Enzhu, spokesman for China's National People's Congress, said the extra money in China's 2008 military budget would fund only a " moderate increase " in weapons purchases. The bulk of the increase would go for higher salaries for military personnel, the rising cost of oil supplies and for training programs, he said. He noted the country has a long-held plan to modernize its forces and that the increasing pace of spending is still below the country's rapid economic growth rate. Jiang said that between 2003 and 2007, China's national defense spending increased by an annual average of 15.8 percent, while government revenue over the same period increased by an annual average of 22.1 percent. He said China's defense spending was the equivalent of 1.4 percent of the nation's gross domestic product last year. By comparison, U.S. spending was 4.6 percent of GDP, he said, and Britain's was 3 percent. Although the Pentagon report raised questions about China's military intentions, Sedney told reporters Monday that he had just returned from a round of talks with his Chinese counterparts that were " surprisingly successful. " In addition to the agreement to establish a military telephone link between the two countries, announced last week, he said, the two sides agreed to move forward in a dialogue on nuclear strategy and policy. ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 2) Mars' aspect to 12L Venus (expenditure on items of war) , which is infact coloured by the above. . - Mars in 9H.... spending a *fortune on items of war! - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:21 AM Re: China to Increase Military Spending Dear Thor, The natal potential would be the key: 1) Rahu from the 5H (inclinations) closely influence of the natal house of Mars, the significator of the military, and here the ruler of the 6H. 2) Mars' aspect to 12L Venus (expenditure on items of war) , which is infact coloured by the above. . 3) Ketu influences the 3H; this can also be important, giving a burst of violent energy. The 11H where Ke is placed, contains the Sun which disposits the Moon LO9 (Ma is in the H9), and Sa LO4 (masses). Not to mention, Ke closely aspects its lord, Me. It was in the Ra/Ke period, followed by Ra/Ve that this received interest, publicly. Such a story on the 4th March, see MMP Ve on the 3H MEP. With this debilitated Mars under Rahu's influence, ultimately it's better to show its fangs than to actually bite. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <samva > Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:28 AM China to Increase Military Spending Dear Vyas and friends, What do you think explains the following news that China has been rapidly expanding its military assets in the past decade? The increase in spending on the military is starting to concern some people. Best wishes, Thor China to Increase Military Spending Rise of 17 Percent Continues Decade-Long Military Buildup By Jill Drew Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, March 4, 2008; 12:58 PM BEIJING, March 5 -- China announced Tuesday that it will again sharply increase its military spending this year, budgeting a 17.6 percent rise that is roughly equal to last year's increase. Disclosure of plans for a $59 billion outlay in 2008 followed a U.S. report Monday that raised questions about China's rapidly increasing military budget, and less than three weeks before a presidential election in Taiwan, the island over which China claims sovereignty but which is self-governed. A Chinese spokesman said the country's decade-long military buildup does " not pose a threat to any country, " but he warned that relations with Taiwan in a " crucial stage " and the island would " surely pay a dear price " if it were to take steps that China viewed as a declaration of independence. A $59 billion budget is still a fraction of what the United States spends each year on its armed forces. President Bush last month requested $515 billion to fund the Pentagon, an amount that does not include spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The United States has pressed China to be more open about its intentions as the pace and scope of its military capabilities increase. At a Monday briefing at the Pentagon, David Sedney, deputy assistant secretary of defense for East Asia, reiterated the U.S. view that China's defense establishment still severely underreports total spending and has not been clear about its intentions. " China's military buildup has been characterized by the opacity, " Sedney told reporters, and " by the inability of people in the region and around the world to really know what ties together the capabilities that China's acquiring with the intentions it has. " The Pentagon report said China's near-term focus remains on preparing for potential problems in the Taiwan Strait. But China's nuclear force modernization, its growing arsenal of advanced missiles, and its forays into space and cyber-space technologies are changing military balances in Asia and beyond, the report concluded. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told a news conference in Beijing that the United States was stuck in a " Cold War mentality " and that the annual Pentagon report on China's military power, mandated by Congress since 1999, " is a serious distortion of facts and attempts to interfere in China's internal affairs. " Jiang Enzhu, spokesman for China's National People's Congress, said the extra money in China's 2008 military budget would fund only a " moderate increase " in weapons purchases. The bulk of the increase would go for higher salaries for military personnel, the rising cost of oil supplies and for training programs, he said. He noted the country has a long-held plan to modernize its forces and that the increasing pace of spending is still below the country's rapid economic growth rate. Jiang said that between 2003 and 2007, China's national defense spending increased by an annual average of 15.8 percent, while government revenue over the same period increased by an annual average of 22.1 percent. He said China's defense spending was the equivalent of 1.4 percent of the nation's gross domestic product last year. By comparison, U.S. spending was 4.6 percent of GDP, he said, and Britain's was 3 percent. Although the Pentagon report raised questions about China's military intentions, Sedney told reporters Monday that he had just returned from a round of talks with his Chinese counterparts that were " surprisingly successful. " In addition to the agreement to establish a military telephone link between the two countries, announced last week, he said, the two sides agreed to move forward in a dialogue on nuclear strategy and policy. ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Dear Vyas, Thanks for the insights. I find your explanations quite plausible. I could add that in my experience, those with a Ketu influence on their 3rd house tend to exhibit timidity and/or lack of enterprise. Best wishes, Thor Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 8:24:32 AMRe: China to Increase Military Spending2) Mars' aspect to 12L Venus (expenditure on items of war) , which is infactcoloured by the above. .- Mars in 9H.... spending a *fortune on items of war!- "Vyas Munidas" <muni><SAMVA >Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:21 AMRe: China to Increase Military SpendingDear Thor,The natal potential would be the key:1) Rahu from the 5H (inclinations) closely influence of the natal house ofMars, the significator of the military, and here the ruler of the 6H.2) Mars' aspect to 12L Venus (expenditure on items of war) , which is infactcoloured by the above. .3) Ketu influences the 3H; this can also be important, giving a burst ofviolent energy. The 11H where Ke is placed, contains the Sun which dispositsthe Moon LO9 (Ma is in the H9), and Sa LO4 (masses). Not to mention, Keclosely aspects its lord, Me.It was in the Ra/Ke period, followed by Ra/Ve that this received interest,publicly. Such a story on the 4th March, see MMP Ve on the 3H MEP.With this debilitated Mars under Rahu's influence, ultimately it's better toshow its fangs than to actually bite.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<samva >Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:28 AM China to Increase Military SpendingDear Vyas and friends,What do you think explains the following news that China has been rapidlyexpanding its military assets in the past decade? The increase in spendingon the military is starting to concern some people.Best wishes,ThorChina to Increase Military SpendingRise of 17 Percent Continues Decade-Long Military BuildupBy Jill DrewWashington Post Foreign ServiceTuesday, March 4, 2008; 12:58 PMBEIJING, March 5 -- China announced Tuesday that it will again sharplyincrease its military spending this year, budgeting a 17.6 percent rise thatis roughly equal to last year's increase.Disclosure of plans for a $59 billion outlay in 2008 followed a U.S. reportMonday that raised questions about China's rapidly increasing militarybudget, and less than three weeks before a presidential election in Taiwan,the island over which China claims sovereignty but which is self-governed.A Chinese spokesman said the country's decade-long military buildup does"not pose a threat to any country," but he warned that relations with Taiwanin a "crucial stage" and the island would "surely pay a dear price" if itwere to take steps that China viewed as a declaration of independence.A $59 billion budget is still a fraction of what the United States spendseach year on its armed forces. President Bush last month requested $515billion to fund the Pentagon, an amount that does not include spending forthe wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The United States has pressed China to bemore open about its intentions as the pace and scope of its militarycapabilities increase. At a Monday briefing at the Pentagon, David Sedney,deputy assistant secretary of defense for East Asia, reiterated the U.S.view that China's defense establishment still severely underreports totalspending and has not been clear about its intentions."China's military buildup has been characterized by the opacity," Sedneytold reporters, and "by the inability of people in the region and around theworld to really know what ties together the capabilities that China'sacquiring with the intentions it has."The Pentagon report said China's near-term focus remains on preparing forpotential problems in the Taiwan Strait. But China's nuclear forcemodernization, its growing arsenal of advanced missiles, and its forays intospace and cyber-space technologies are changing military balances in Asiaand beyond, the report concluded.Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told a news conference inBeijing that the United States was stuck in a "Cold War mentality" and thatthe annual Pentagon report on China's military power, mandated by Congresssince 1999, "is a serious distortion of facts and attempts to interfere inChina's internal affairs."Jiang Enzhu, spokesman for China's National People's Congress, said theextra money in China's 2008 military budget would fund only a "moderateincrease" in weapons purchases. The bulk of the increase would go for highersalaries for military personnel, the rising cost of oil supplies and fortraining programs, he said. He noted the country has a long-held plan tomodernize its forces and that the increasing pace of spending is still belowthe country's rapid economic growth rate.Jiang said that between 2003 and 2007, China's national defense spendingincreased by an annual average of 15.8 percent, while government revenueover the same period increased by an annual average of 22.1 percent. He saidChina's defense spending was the equivalent of 1.4 percent of the nation'sgross domestic product last year. By comparison, U.S. spending was 4.6percent of GDP, he said, and Britain's was 3 percent.Although the Pentagon report raised questions about China's militaryintentions, Sedney told reporters Monday that he had just returned from around of talks with his Chinese counterparts that were "surprisinglysuccessful." In addition to the agreement to establish a military telephonelink between the two countries, announced last week, he said, the two sidesagreed to move forward in a dialogue on nuclear strategy and policy. Be a better friend, newshound, andknow-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Dear Thor, Overall this chart has balance in that area - Mars gains strength by placement in the 9H even though debilitated, and its ultimate dispositor is closely conjunct Ke. Note that this dispositor, Mercury is closer to the MEP than is Ketu's influence to itself. In general the Chinese people are very reserved. And, in the financial area, I haven't seen very big risk takers. They prefer things they can touch, measure, prove. This is likely how this Ke-3H influence and debilitated Mars plays out. Thoughts? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:46 AM Re: China to Increase Military Spending Dear Vyas, Thanks for the insights. I find your explanations quite plausible. I could add that in my experience, those with a Ketu influence on their 3rd house tend to exhibit timidity and/or lack of enterprise. Best wishes, Thor Vyas Munidas <muni> SAMVA Wednesday, March 5, 2008 8:24:32 AM Re: China to Increase Military Spending 2) Mars' aspect to 12L Venus (expenditure on items of war) , which is infact coloured by the above. . - Mars in 9H.... spending a *fortune on items of war! - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:21 AM Re: China to Increase Military Spending Dear Thor, The natal potential would be the key: 1) Rahu from the 5H (inclinations) closely influence of the natal house of Mars, the significator of the military, and here the ruler of the 6H. 2) Mars' aspect to 12L Venus (expenditure on items of war) , which is infact coloured by the above. . 3) Ketu influences the 3H; this can also be important, giving a burst of violent energy. The 11H where Ke is placed, contains the Sun which disposits the Moon LO9 (Ma is in the H9), and Sa LO4 (masses). Not to mention, Ke closely aspects its lord, Me. It was in the Ra/Ke period, followed by Ra/Ve that this received interest, publicly. Such a story on the 4th March, see MMP Ve on the 3H MEP. With this debilitated Mars under Rahu's influence, ultimately it's better to show its fangs than to actually bite. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <samva > Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:28 AM China to Increase Military Spending Dear Vyas and friends, What do you think explains the following news that China has been rapidly expanding its military assets in the past decade? The increase in spending on the military is starting to concern some people. Best wishes, Thor China to Increase Military Spending Rise of 17 Percent Continues Decade-Long Military Buildup By Jill Drew Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, March 4, 2008; 12:58 PM BEIJING, March 5 -- China announced Tuesday that it will again sharply increase its military spending this year, budgeting a 17.6 percent rise that is roughly equal to last year's increase. Disclosure of plans for a $59 billion outlay in 2008 followed a U.S. report Monday that raised questions about China's rapidly increasing military budget, and less than three weeks before a presidential election in Taiwan, the island over which China claims sovereignty but which is self-governed. A Chinese spokesman said the country's decade-long military buildup does " not pose a threat to any country, " but he warned that relations with Taiwan in a " crucial stage " and the island would " surely pay a dear price " if it were to take steps that China viewed as a declaration of independence. A $59 billion budget is still a fraction of what the United States spends each year on its armed forces. President Bush last month requested $515 billion to fund the Pentagon, an amount that does not include spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The United States has pressed China to be more open about its intentions as the pace and scope of its military capabilities increase. At a Monday briefing at the Pentagon, David Sedney, deputy assistant secretary of defense for East Asia, reiterated the U.S. view that China's defense establishment still severely underreports total spending and has not been clear about its intentions. " China's military buildup has been characterized by the opacity, " Sedney told reporters, and " by the inability of people in the region and around the world to really know what ties together the capabilities that China's acquiring with the intentions it has. " The Pentagon report said China's near-term focus remains on preparing for potential problems in the Taiwan Strait. But China's nuclear force modernization, its growing arsenal of advanced missiles, and its forays into space and cyber-space technologies are changing military balances in Asia and beyond, the report concluded. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told a news conference in Beijing that the United States was stuck in a " Cold War mentality " and that the annual Pentagon report on China's military power, mandated by Congress since 1999, " is a serious distortion of facts and attempts to interfere in China's internal affairs. " Jiang Enzhu, spokesman for China's National People's Congress, said the extra money in China's 2008 military budget would fund only a " moderate increase " in weapons purchases. The bulk of the increase would go for higher salaries for military personnel, the rising cost of oil supplies and for training programs, he said. He noted the country has a long-held plan to modernize its forces and that the increasing pace of spending is still below the country's rapid economic growth rate. Jiang said that between 2003 and 2007, China's national defense spending increased by an annual average of 15.8 percent, while government revenue over the same period increased by an annual average of 22.1 percent. He said China's defense spending was the equivalent of 1.4 percent of the nation's gross domestic product last year. By comparison, U.S. spending was 4.6 percent of GDP, he said, and Britain's was 3 percent. Although the Pentagon report raised questions about China's military intentions, Sedney told reporters Monday that he had just returned from a round of talks with his Chinese counterparts that were " surprisingly successful. " In addition to the agreement to establish a military telephone link between the two countries, announced last week, he said, the two sides agreed to move forward in a dialogue on nuclear strategy and policy. ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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