Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Dear Thor, The action of proclaiming here means to announce publicly. Like the marriage papers signed prior and announced afterwards - the announcement isn't the birth event. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:43 AM Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA Dear , Vyas, Pierre and list members, I have in my files the following chart information and offer a quick reading of it. HISTORY In 1866 representatives of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the Canadas came together in London for final discussions with the Colonial Office. Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island for the moment had withdrawn from the confederation talks. The London Conference led directly to the most important statute in Canadian constitutional history, the British North America Act of 1867. This act, with its subsequent amendments, embodied the written constitution of Canada for more than a century. It was proclaimed on July 1, now celebrated as Canada Day. On July 1 1867, at noon, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the Province of Canada were proclaimed the Dominion of Canada, with John A. Macdonald its first prime minister. http://history.cbc.ca/history/?MIval=EpContent.html & series_id=1 & episode_id=8 & cha\ pter_id=6 & page_id=2 & lang=E HOROSCOPE The chart has 15° 03' Virgo rising (attached). 1st lord Mercury at 12° 57' is on the 11th house MEP would give good income and high aspirations. 2nd lord Venus is at 24° 19' Taurus and 9th house would give a fortunate rise in status during its periods. 6th lord Saturn at 25° 45' Libra in the 2nd house would give a rise in status during its periods. The aspect from Ketu at 24° 40' Aquarius and 6th house could bring sudden and violent setbacks to financial stability or relations with neighboring countries. 11th lord Moon at 14° 28' Gemini on 10th house MEP would make foreign trade important but its combustion and conjunction with 12th lord Sun at 17° 19' Gemini would imply losses and setbacks to the income, or a tendency for economic recession. The 4th lord Jupiter at 15° 29' Aquarius in the 6th house would make housing vulnerable to setbacks, especially as it is under close aspect from 8th lord Mars at 13° 26' Leo and 12th house. The communal harmony would be fragile in Canada, as noted by the frequent tendency of the French community to break away and become an independent entity. The aspect of Jupiter to the Moon would be helpful to a point for the income or economic growth. There are many other features to consider, including the close aspect of six planets to the MEPs of houses. The chart is interesting for similarities to the SAMVA USA chart, incluing the placement of 1st lord in 11th house and placement of 4th lord in the 6th house. However, the differences are also interesting, such as weakness and bad placement of Mars, suggesting weak military. The influences concerning the 6th house are also more difficult than in the USA chart, notably the affliction by 8th lord Mars. Is this country at risk of falling apart at some stage? Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry SAMVA Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:46:42 AM Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA Hello dear Vyas, OK. What are the chart details then. Best wishes. - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:18 AM Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA Dear Professor (and List), This event isn't significant for the birth of Canada. This Act of Union was the political marriage of Upper and Lower Canada into one colony, known as the Province of Canada. Other British colonies in the region were Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, New Foundland, and PEI. To be clear - this illustrates, like the USA, there were several, 'nations,' within the region itself, which ultimately answered to Britan. It was in 1864 that representatives from all colonies came together, at the Charlottetown Conference in PEI, to discuss union of all colonies. So events before that year cannot be considered. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " SIHA " <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> <SAMVA > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:48 PM Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA Hello my dear Thor, The chart which I referred is Virgo rising with 16 deg 20 minutes. 1st Jan 1842 Kingston, ON LMT 5.06 Best wishes. - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:46 AM Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA Dear Thor and List, In your opinion, does this natal chart in comparison to other nations, show the characteristics of: 1) a premier world leader 2) a peaceful and proactive peacekeeper nation 3) a wealthy nation (per capita, Canada has more millionaires than most other nations) 4) easy going attitude of the masses 5) fantastic relations with other nations 6) resource rich in precious and semi-metals, diamonds, oil, forestry, grains 7) well educated and healthy population 8) accommodating and welcoming For me, it would be a far stretch to justify this chart to be Canada's natal. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:00 PM Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA Dear , Thank you for commenting on this issue. In this 9° 48' Taurus rising chart (attached), transit 6th lord Mars at 8° 34' Gemini is no longer under aspect from Rahu at 3° 33' Aquarius. However, it is in applying aspect to the 2nd house MEP. Transit 5th lord Mercury at 1° 57' Aquarius and 10th house, however, is conjunct the transit nodal axis, along with transit Venus at 4° 44'. Do you mean, Mercury (and not Mars) in this instance? Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> SAMVA Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:31:22 AM Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA Hello dear Chuck and Thor, In Canada Act of Union chart natal Venus and Mars were under the stationary transit influence of Ketu and Rahu, respectively. Both of these planets impact the weather by causing discomfort and excessive cool temperature. Best wishes. - Cosmologer SAMVA Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:22 AM Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA Dear Chuck, The first thing that comes to mind is an affliction or bad placement of Venus, the planet of comforts. The current transit conjunction of Venus and Rahu is a prime suspect. It probably adds to the strain that Mercury has joined in the fray. The sign Aquarius, where this conjunction is taking place, could be placed in bad house in the natal chart. Additionally, an affliction to natal Venus in the chart could be operative. All the above conditions are presently being met in the SAMVA USA chart. Beyond that it gets speculative. Perhaps could share some further insight. Best wishes, Thor wakefieldvedic <radiopro55@ hotmail. com> SAMVA Monday, March 10, 2008 9:33:51 PM Re: Bad weather in the USA > Dear Thor and list: FYI, Eastern Canada (Ontario eastward) is set to challenge 1970 for the record amount of snowfall in cities such as Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. These major centres are snowed under and the downtown streets crippled. There have been a number of charts floated for Canada. What would we look for the transit influences? Best wishes, Chuck > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ______ ____________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Dear Vyas, In my experience there are few hard and fast rules in this regard as circumstances can differ between countries. In Iceland it was the public proclamation of Independence and the founding of the Republic in a public ceremony that was important. In the USA it was the signing of an important Act of law. In China, as your chart suggests, it was a public proclamation by the then leader Mao. In any event, we should keep our options open to the extent that a study of the natal potential and transit influences in terms of matching/predicting significant events is what guides the selection. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > The action of proclaiming here means to announce publicly. Like the marriage > papers signed prior and announced afterwards - the announcement isn't the > birth event. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " Cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:43 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > > Dear , Vyas, Pierre and list members, > > I have in my files the following chart information and offer a quick reading > of it. > > HISTORY > In 1866 representatives of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the Canadas came > together in London for final discussions with the Colonial Office. > Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island for the moment had withdrawn from the > confederation talks. The London Conference led directly to the most > important statute in Canadian constitutional history, the British North > America Act of 1867. This act, with its subsequent amendments, embodied the > written constitution of Canada for more than a century. It was proclaimed on > July 1, now celebrated as Canada Day. > On July 1 1867, at noon, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the Province of > Canada were proclaimed the Dominion of Canada, with John A. Macdonald its > first prime minister. > http://history.cbc.ca/history/? MIval=EpContent.html & series_id=1 & episode_id=8 & chapter_id=6 & page_id=2 & l ang=E > > HOROSCOPE > The chart has 15° 03' Virgo rising (attached). 1st lord Mercury at 12° 57' > is on the 11th house MEP would give good income and high aspirations. 2nd > lord Venus is at 24° 19' Taurus and 9th house would give a fortunate rise in > status during its periods. 6th lord Saturn at 25° 45' Libra in the 2nd house > would give a rise in status during its periods. The aspect from Ketu at 24° > 40' Aquarius and 6th house could bring sudden and violent setbacks to > financial stability or relations with neighboring countries. 11th lord Moon > at 14° 28' Gemini on 10th house MEP would make foreign trade important but > its combustion and conjunction with 12th lord Sun at 17° 19' Gemini would > imply losses and setbacks to the income, or a tendency for economic > recession. The 4th lord Jupiter at 15° 29' Aquarius in the 6th house would > make housing vulnerable to setbacks, especially as it is under close aspect > from 8th lord Mars at 13° 26' Leo and 12th house. The communal > harmony would be fragile in Canada, as noted by the frequent tendency of > the French community to break away and become an independent entity. The > aspect of Jupiter to the Moon would be helpful to a point for the income or > economic growth. There are many other features to consider, including the > close aspect of six planets to the MEPs of houses. The chart is interesting > for similarities to the SAMVA USA chart, incluing the placement of 1st lord > in 11th house and placement of 4th lord in the 6th house. However, the > differences are also interesting, such as weakness and bad placement of > Mars, suggesting weak military. The influences concerning the 6th house are > also more difficult than in the USA chart, notably the affliction by 8th > lord Mars. Is this country at risk of falling apart at some stage? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > SAMVA > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:46:42 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > OK. What are the chart details then. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:18 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > > Dear Professor (and List), > > This event isn't significant for the birth of Canada. This Act of Union was > the political marriage of Upper and Lower Canada into one colony, known as > the Province of Canada. Other British colonies in the region were Nova > Scotia, New Brunswick, New Foundland, and PEI. > > To be clear - this illustrates, like the USA, there were several, 'nations,' > within the region itself, which ultimately answered to Britan. > > It was in 1864 that representatives from all colonies came together, at the > Charlottetown Conference in PEI, to discuss union of all colonies. So events > before that year cannot be considered. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " SIHA " <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > <SAMVA > > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:48 PM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Hello my dear Thor, > > The chart which I referred is Virgo rising with 16 deg 20 minutes. > 1st Jan 1842 > Kingston, ON > LMT 5.06 > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:46 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Dear Thor and List, > > In your opinion, does this natal chart in comparison to other nations, > show > the characteristics of: > > 1) a premier world leader > 2) a peaceful and proactive peacekeeper nation > 3) a wealthy nation (per capita, Canada has more millionaires than most > other nations) > 4) easy going attitude of the masses > 5) fantastic relations with other nations > 6) resource rich in precious and semi-metals, diamonds, oil, forestry, > grains > 7) well educated and healthy population > 8) accommodating and welcoming > > For me, it would be a far stretch to justify this chart to be Canada's > natal. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Cosmologer " <cosmologer > > <SAMVA > > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:00 PM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Dear , > > Thank you for commenting on this issue. > > In this 9° 48' Taurus rising chart (attached), transit 6th lord Mars at 8° > 34' Gemini is no longer under aspect from Rahu at 3° 33' Aquarius. > However, > it is in applying aspect to the 2nd house MEP. > > Transit 5th lord Mercury at 1° 57' Aquarius and 10th house, however, is > conjunct the transit nodal axis, along with transit Venus at 4° 44'. > > Do you mean, Mercury (and not Mars) in this instance? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > SAMVA > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:31:22 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Hello dear Chuck and Thor, > > In Canada Act of Union chart natal Venus and Mars were under the > stationary > transit influence of Ketu and Rahu, respectively. Both of these planets > impact the weather by causing discomfort and excessive cool temperature. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:22 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Dear Chuck, > > The first thing that comes to mind is an affliction or bad placement of > Venus, the planet of comforts. > > The current transit conjunction of Venus and Rahu is a prime suspect. It > probably adds to the strain that Mercury has joined in the fray. > > The sign Aquarius, where this conjunction is taking place, could be placed > in bad house in the natal chart. > > Additionally, an affliction to natal Venus in the chart could be > operative. > > All the above conditions are presently being met in the SAMVA USA chart. > > Beyond that it gets speculative. Perhaps could share > some > further insight. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > wakefieldvedic <radiopro55@ hotmail. com> > SAMVA > Monday, March 10, 2008 9:33:51 PM > Re: Bad weather in the USA > > > Dear Thor and list: FYI, Eastern Canada (Ontario eastward) is set to > challenge 1970 for the record amount of snowfall in cities such as > Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. These major centres are snowed under and > the downtown streets crippled. There have been a number of charts > floated for Canada. What would we look for the transit influences? Best > wishes, Chuck > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > ______ > ____________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= > shopping > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Dear Thor, I agree with you. In this case, the BNA act was legalized before in the UK and this date was selected to announce it. The common thread is the legalization of it. In the case of Iceland, were the documents signed and proclamation made at the single event? In the case of the USA, it was the joining of the 13th and final state, legalizing the complete entity in perpetual union. The case of China was one of conquest. The 'legalization' at that point was the proclamation by Mao, 'we won, this is our nation, this is the name of it, I am the ruler, here are the rules.' Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:02 AM Re: Canada Dear Vyas, In my experience there are few hard and fast rules in this regard as circumstances can differ between countries. In Iceland it was the public proclamation of Independence and the founding of the Republic in a public ceremony that was important. In the USA it was the signing of an important Act of law. In China, as your chart suggests, it was a public proclamation by the then leader Mao. In any event, we should keep our options open to the extent that a study of the natal potential and transit influences in terms of matching/predicting significant events is what guides the selection. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > The action of proclaiming here means to announce publicly. Like the marriage > papers signed prior and announced afterwards - the announcement isn't the > birth event. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " Cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:43 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > > Dear , Vyas, Pierre and list members, > > I have in my files the following chart information and offer a quick reading > of it. > > HISTORY > In 1866 representatives of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the Canadas came > together in London for final discussions with the Colonial Office. > Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island for the moment had withdrawn from the > confederation talks. The London Conference led directly to the most > important statute in Canadian constitutional history, the British North > America Act of 1867. This act, with its subsequent amendments, embodied the > written constitution of Canada for more than a century. It was proclaimed on > July 1, now celebrated as Canada Day. > On July 1 1867, at noon, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the Province of > Canada were proclaimed the Dominion of Canada, with John A. Macdonald its > first prime minister. > http://history.cbc.ca/history/? MIval=EpContent.html & series_id=1 & episode_id=8 & chapter_id=6 & page_id=2 & l ang=E > > HOROSCOPE > The chart has 15° 03' Virgo rising (attached). 1st lord Mercury at 12° 57' > is on the 11th house MEP would give good income and high aspirations. 2nd > lord Venus is at 24° 19' Taurus and 9th house would give a fortunate rise in > status during its periods. 6th lord Saturn at 25° 45' Libra in the 2nd house > would give a rise in status during its periods. The aspect from Ketu at 24° > 40' Aquarius and 6th house could bring sudden and violent setbacks to > financial stability or relations with neighboring countries. 11th lord Moon > at 14° 28' Gemini on 10th house MEP would make foreign trade important but > its combustion and conjunction with 12th lord Sun at 17° 19' Gemini would > imply losses and setbacks to the income, or a tendency for economic > recession. The 4th lord Jupiter at 15° 29' Aquarius in the 6th house would > make housing vulnerable to setbacks, especially as it is under close aspect > from 8th lord Mars at 13° 26' Leo and 12th house. The communal > harmony would be fragile in Canada, as noted by the frequent tendency of > the French community to break away and become an independent entity. The > aspect of Jupiter to the Moon would be helpful to a point for the income or > economic growth. There are many other features to consider, including the > close aspect of six planets to the MEPs of houses. The chart is interesting > for similarities to the SAMVA USA chart, incluing the placement of 1st lord > in 11th house and placement of 4th lord in the 6th house. However, the > differences are also interesting, such as weakness and bad placement of > Mars, suggesting weak military. The influences concerning the 6th house are > also more difficult than in the USA chart, notably the affliction by 8th > lord Mars. Is this country at risk of falling apart at some stage? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > SAMVA > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:46:42 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > OK. What are the chart details then. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:18 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > > Dear Professor (and List), > > This event isn't significant for the birth of Canada. This Act of Union was > the political marriage of Upper and Lower Canada into one colony, known as > the Province of Canada. Other British colonies in the region were Nova > Scotia, New Brunswick, New Foundland, and PEI. > > To be clear - this illustrates, like the USA, there were several, 'nations,' > within the region itself, which ultimately answered to Britan. > > It was in 1864 that representatives from all colonies came together, at the > Charlottetown Conference in PEI, to discuss union of all colonies. So events > before that year cannot be considered. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " SIHA " <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > <SAMVA > > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:48 PM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Hello my dear Thor, > > The chart which I referred is Virgo rising with 16 deg 20 minutes. > 1st Jan 1842 > Kingston, ON > LMT 5.06 > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA > Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:46 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Dear Thor and List, > > In your opinion, does this natal chart in comparison to other nations, > show > the characteristics of: > > 1) a premier world leader > 2) a peaceful and proactive peacekeeper nation > 3) a wealthy nation (per capita, Canada has more millionaires than most > other nations) > 4) easy going attitude of the masses > 5) fantastic relations with other nations > 6) resource rich in precious and semi-metals, diamonds, oil, forestry, > grains > 7) well educated and healthy population > 8) accommodating and welcoming > > For me, it would be a far stretch to justify this chart to be Canada's > natal. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Cosmologer " <cosmologer > > <SAMVA > > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:00 PM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Dear , > > Thank you for commenting on this issue. > > In this 9° 48' Taurus rising chart (attached), transit 6th lord Mars at 8° > 34' Gemini is no longer under aspect from Rahu at 3° 33' Aquarius. > However, > it is in applying aspect to the 2nd house MEP. > > Transit 5th lord Mercury at 1° 57' Aquarius and 10th house, however, is > conjunct the transit nodal axis, along with transit Venus at 4° 44'. > > Do you mean, Mercury (and not Mars) in this instance? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > SAMVA > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:31:22 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Hello dear Chuck and Thor, > > In Canada Act of Union chart natal Venus and Mars were under the > stationary > transit influence of Ketu and Rahu, respectively. Both of these planets > impact the weather by causing discomfort and excessive cool temperature. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:22 AM > Re: Re: Bad weather in the USA > > Dear Chuck, > > The first thing that comes to mind is an affliction or bad placement of > Venus, the planet of comforts. > > The current transit conjunction of Venus and Rahu is a prime suspect. It > probably adds to the strain that Mercury has joined in the fray. > > The sign Aquarius, where this conjunction is taking place, could be placed > in bad house in the natal chart. > > Additionally, an affliction to natal Venus in the chart could be > operative. > > All the above conditions are presently being met in the SAMVA USA chart. > > Beyond that it gets speculative. Perhaps could share > some > further insight. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > wakefieldvedic <radiopro55@ hotmail. com> > SAMVA > Monday, March 10, 2008 9:33:51 PM > Re: Bad weather in the USA > > > Dear Thor and list: FYI, Eastern Canada (Ontario eastward) is set to > challenge 1970 for the record amount of snowfall in cities such as > Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. These major centres are snowed under and > the downtown streets crippled. There have been a number of charts > floated for Canada. What would we look for the transit influences? Best > wishes, Chuck > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > ______ > ____________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= > shopping > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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