Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart

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Dear friends,

 

It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which show

 

a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices

b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the difference between the high and low value in the trading day)

 

From a. we can see

- the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when the housing market situation in the USA came to prominence and the first concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a recession was increasing

- the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to report losses

- the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008 when concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks and a recession in the USA became more widespread

 

Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007, share prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down.

 

From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the market is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to increased intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure what to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the intrad-day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly, since early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now are higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession and overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before.

 

What explains this shift to more financial market volatility since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart?

 

First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The Venus - Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all things having to do with Jupiter in the chart.

 

- JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of FIANCIAL STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity of the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or diseases).

- JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION (or eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (including banks).

- JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and MANAGEMENT.

- JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that the nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country.

- JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD MARS, and in addtion to the mutual aspect of MOON and MARS, this influences the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of Americans.

- RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH HOUSE of the chart, bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other indications of the 6TH HOUSE in the country

- VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY (social harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly 6TH HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and the COMMUNAL HARMONY.

- the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the 4TH HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the USA, notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events.

 

In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during this period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and afflictions that there will be

- problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the FINANCIAL STABILITY

- concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to the DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET

- CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY

 

This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since the onset of this period.

 

Major transit triggers:

 

- Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house afflicts 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS

- Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in Cancer and 1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal 2nd lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT and WEALTH.

- Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU while JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a RECESSION.

- January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and 12th house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th house. JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted by natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK MARKET DROPS.

- March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS and all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to bad placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further.

 

RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period

 

1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial stability and economic growth

The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and has been deepening since, was warned about by major international organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of 2006, warning about the RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately, the warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very risky US home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase

 

2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable but highly armed young men

The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young man at a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three dozen fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such incidents follow.

 

3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007

Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever pitch in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising cost of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in GOVERNMENT SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit reaches new heights.

 

We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated due to the following transits in 2008

 

1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and November - DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY

2. Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to September - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH

3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS.

4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then from September to December - CONFLICT

5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn - VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time.

 

The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are likely to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As earlier mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the FOREIGN POLICY area.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

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Dear list members,

 

Attached is a graph showing four aspects occuring in the SAMVA USA chart during the last quarter of 2008

 

 

- Transit Jupiter conjunct natal Venus

- Transit Rahu conjunct the most effective point of the 7th house

- Natal Saturn aspecting transit Saturn

- Transit Jupiter aspecting transit Saturn

 

Clearly, November will be a busy month in terms of contacts involving the slow moving planets.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:29:06 AM Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart

 

 

Dear friends,

 

It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which show

 

a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices

b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the difference between the high and low value in the trading day)

 

From a. we can see

- the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when the housing market situation in the USA came to prominence and the first concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a recession was increasing

- the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to report losses

- the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008 when concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks and a recession in the USA became more widespread

 

Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007, share prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down.

 

From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the market is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to increased intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure what to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the intrad-day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly, since early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now are higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession and overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before.

 

What explains this shift to more financial market volatility since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart?

 

First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The Venus - Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all things having to do with Jupiter in the chart.

 

- JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of FIANCIAL STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity of the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or diseases).

- JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION (or eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (including banks).

- JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and MANAGEMENT.

- JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that the nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country.

- JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD MARS, and in addtion to the mutual aspect of MOON and MARS, this influences the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of Americans.

- RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH HOUSE of the chart, bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other indications of the 6TH HOUSE in the country

- VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY (social harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly 6TH HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and the COMMUNAL HARMONY.

- the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the 4TH HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the USA, notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events.

 

In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during this period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and afflictions that there will be

- problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the FINANCIAL STABILITY

- concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to the DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET

- CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY

 

This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since the onset of this period.

 

Major transit triggers:

 

- Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house afflicts 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS

- Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in Cancer and 1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal 2nd lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT and WEALTH.

- Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU while JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a RECESSION.

- January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and 12th house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th house. JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted by natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK MARKET DROPS.

- March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS and all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to bad placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further.

 

RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period

 

1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial stability and economic growth

The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and has been deepening since, was warned about by major international organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of 2006, warning about the RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately, the warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very risky US home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase

 

2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable but highly armed young men

The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young man at a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three dozen fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such incidents follow.

 

3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007

Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever pitch in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising cost of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in GOVERNMENT SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit reaches new heights.

 

We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated due to the following transits in 2008

 

1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and November - DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY

2. Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to September - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH

3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS.

4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then from September to December - CONFLICT

5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn - VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time.

 

The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are likely to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As earlier mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the FOREIGN POLICY area.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

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Thanks for all the work filling out astrologically what was seen by me and many others from the perspective of concerned citzens...that the subprime crisis was not a 'slam-dunk' event but the beginning of major problems for the US economic and political system. And that resolving these problems created by foolishness and fraud would be years long. That the US might look different at the ending of these events...seems assured. 'A fool if he persists in his foolishness, will become wise,' is the hope here.

 

Thanks again. Reading all your articles and charts...great learning experience. Don Park

 

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samva

Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:29 AM

Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which show

 

a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices

b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the difference between the high and low value in the trading day)

 

From a. we can see

- the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when the housing market situation in the USA came to prominence and the first concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a recession was increasing

- the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to report losses

- the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008 when concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks and a recession in the USA became more widespread

 

Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007, share prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down.

 

From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the market is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to increased intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure what to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the intrad-day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly, since early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now are higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession and overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before.

 

What explains this shift to more financial market volatility since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart?

 

First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The Venus - Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all things having to do with Jupiter in the chart.

 

- JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of FIANCIAL STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity of the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or diseases).

- JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION (or eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (including banks).

- JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and MANAGEMENT.

- JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that the nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country.

- JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD MARS, and in addtion to the mutual aspect of MOON and MARS, this influences the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of Americans.

- RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH HOUSE of the chart, bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other indications of the 6TH HOUSE in the country

- VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY (social harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly 6TH HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and the COMMUNAL HARMONY.

- the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the 4TH HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the USA, notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events.

 

In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during this period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and afflictions that there will be

- problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the FINANCIAL STABILITY

- concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to the DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET

- CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY

 

This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since the onset of this period.

 

Major transit triggers:

 

- Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house afflicts 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS

- Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in Cancer and 1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal 2nd lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT and WEALTH.

- Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU while JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a RECESSION.

- January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and 12th house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th house. JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted by natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK MARKET DROPS.

- March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS and all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to bad placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further.

 

RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period

 

1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial stability and economic growth

The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and has been deepening since, was warned about by major international organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of 2006, warning about the RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately, the warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very risky US home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase

 

2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable but highly armed young men

The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young man at a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three dozen fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such incidents follow.

 

3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007

Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever pitch in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising cost of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in GOVERNMENT SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit reaches new heights.

 

We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated due to the following transits in 2008

 

1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and November - DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY

2. Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to September - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH

3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS.

4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then from September to December - CONFLICT

5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn - VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time.

 

The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are likely to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As earlier mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the FOREIGN POLICY area.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

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Hello Mr. Park, The expression foolishness used by you appears to be right in the background of managing marketing of surplus services/goods without proper evaluating the risks by the loss making banks/organisations. Best wishes.

 

 

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jacks

SAMVA

Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:01 AM

Re: Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart

 

 

 

Thanks for all the work filling out astrologically what was seen by me and many others from the perspective of concerned citzens...that the subprime crisis was not a 'slam-dunk' event but the beginning of major problems for the US economic and political system. And that resolving these problems created by foolishness and fraud would be years long. That the US might look different at the ending of these events...seems assured. 'A fool if he persists in his foolishness, will become wise,' is the hope here.

 

Thanks again. Reading all your articles and charts...great learning experience. Don Park

 

-

Cosmologer

samva

Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:29 AM

Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which show

 

a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices

b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the difference between the high and low value in the trading day)

 

From a. we can see

- the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when the housing market situation in the USA came to prominence and the first concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a recession was increasing

- the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to report losses

- the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008 when concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks and a recession in the USA became more widespread

 

Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007, share prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down.

 

From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the market is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to increased intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure what to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the intrad-day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly, since early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now are higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession and overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before.

 

What explains this shift to more financial market volatility since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart?

 

First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The Venus - Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all things having to do with Jupiter in the chart.

 

- JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of FIANCIAL STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity of the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or diseases).

- JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION (or eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (including banks).

- JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and MANAGEMENT.

- JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that the nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country.

- JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD MARS, and in addtion to the mutual aspect of MOON and MARS, this influences the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of Americans.

- RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH HOUSE of the chart, bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other indications of the 6TH HOUSE in the country

- VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY (social harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly 6TH HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and the COMMUNAL HARMONY.

- the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the 4TH HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the USA, notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events.

 

In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during this period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and afflictions that there will be

- problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the FINANCIAL STABILITY

- concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to the DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET

- CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY

 

This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since the onset of this period.

 

Major transit triggers:

 

- Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house afflicts 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS

- Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in Cancer and 1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal 2nd lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT and WEALTH.

- Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU while JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a RECESSION.

- January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and 12th house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th house. JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted by natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK MARKET DROPS.

- March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS and all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to bad placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further.

 

RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period

 

1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial stability and economic growth

The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and has been deepening since, was warned about by major international organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of 2006, warning about the RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately, the warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very risky US home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase

 

2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable but highly armed young men

The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young man at a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three dozen fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such incidents follow.

 

3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007

Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever pitch in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising cost of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in GOVERNMENT SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit reaches new heights.

 

We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated due to the following transits in 2008

 

1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and November - DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY

2. Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to September - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH

3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS.

4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then from September to December - CONFLICT

5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn - VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time.

 

The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are likely to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As earlier mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the FOREIGN POLICY area.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

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Dear Don and list members,

 

The SAMVA USA chart is a helpful guide to gain a perspective on the present difficulties with a survey of the history.

 

There are four Functional Malefic (FM) planets in the chart, RAHU, JUPITER, SATURN and KETU. Often the periods of RAHU, JUPITER and SATURN run concurrently, followed by MERCURY and then KETU. This means that the issues associated with the FM planets are highlighted for a stretch of years and then there are the periods of the Functional Benefic (FB) planets.

 

From SA, we know that

- the sub-periods of FM planets within the major periods of a FM planet (the so-called "dual malefic periods") are the most challening given also difficult transits.

- the sub-periods of weak FB planets (like Venus) within a major period of a FB could also be prone to setbacks, given the difficult transits

- the sub-periods of FB planets that are strong (Sun, Moon, Mercury and Mars) would be easier within the major periods of FM planets. Even then as especially Sun and Moon are natally afflicted, there could be setbacks during both FM and FB dasas,

 

A superficial analysis of the not too distant US history reveals themse that begin and end based on the periods and transit impacts. A reading of the SAMVA USA chart is quite illuminating in this regard. What the overview will show is that even if there are difficulties they are time limited and the focus shifts to other issues. From each episode there are lessons learned.

 

List members are welcome to contribute further insights.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

For most of the RAHU MAJOR PERIOD (April 1919 - April 1937) coming out of WW I, the USA went through a period of the roaring twenties and then the depression of the 1930s. This is consistent with the influence of Rahu to give great gains, but often remove them later, as the gains are not based on a durable foundation. In the SAMVA USA chart, Rahu afflicts the 10th house of the executive and foreign trade, the 6th house of financial stability and the 2nd house of wealth and status. The lords of these houses are all strong, so while all these areas were strongly felt in the Rahu major period - first a great rise and then a collapse - the country got through it in one piece although major changes took place politically.

 

For most of the JUPITER MAJOR PERIOD (April 1937 - April 1953) the focus was largely but not exclusively on WAR. The focus of the USA was also on creating a viable financial system for the west in the post war era.

 

During the period of L6 Jupiter (9.4.1937 -) the USA was emerging from the Great Depression but gathering storm clouds were visible. In the period of L8 Saturn (28.5.1939 -) the US was pulled into WW II, with the bombing of Pearl Harbor on Dec. 6, 1941, at the very end of the period.

 

During the FB Mercury period (9.12.1941 -) the US launched whole heartedly into the war. During the FM Ketu period (16.3.1944 -) the fighting became particularly intensive. During the FB Venus period (20.2.1945 -) there was Victory in WW II. Nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan to compel their surrender. The CIA, NSC and Department of Defense were founded (July 1947). During the FB Sun period (22.10.1947 -) the post-war reconstruction continued apace and outreach in the world was powerfully felt. The US became a donator of funds and at the

same time a banker to the world in terms of its strong currency, the dollar. Much the same can be said of the FB Moon period (9.8.1948 -). During the FB Mars period (9.12.1949 -) the Korean war breaks out, but the intensity increases in the Rahu period (15.11.1950 -) when the Cold-war became a whole dicier.

 

During the SATURN MAJOR PERIOD (April 1953 - April 1972) the USA was engaged in the COLD WAR, a contents with the Soviet Communists involving a nuclear arms race, a space race and wars over control of countries all over the planet. Fear associated with Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) permeates life in USA in the 1950s. The USA also had a revolution on its hands with young people rebelling against the docile worker values of the parents and in opposing the Vietnam War. Civil rights leaders were killed and there was great political tension during the Rahu sub period.

 

SATURN 9.4.1953 - Korean war ends, but major unresolved problem ahead - the threat of SOVIET COMMUNISM.

Sa/Me 12.4.1956 - Tension over Soviet communism

Sa/Ke 21.12.1958 - the space race begins with Soviet launching of Sputnik

Sa/Ve 30.1.1960 - Kennedy declares "Man to the Moon" and back in 1961. Cuban Missile Crisis.

Sa/Su 1.4.1963 - President Kennedy killed, the Beatles.

Sa/Mo 13.3.1964 - President Johnson escalates the Vietnam war

Sa/Ma 12.10.1965 - the movement of young people with different values goes mainstream

Sa/Ra 21.11.1966 - Riots against Vietnam war. RFK and MLK killed. Great political tension.

Death toll peaks in 1968. Manned spacecraft lands on Moon and returns.

Sa/Ju 27.9.1969 - Vietnam war continues, Death toll declines but continues high through 1970.

 

During the MERCURY MAJOR PERIOD (April 1972 - April 1989) the USA shifted gears, trying to get out of Vietnam. The focus shifted to computers in the 1970s, commercial expansion, securing the foundations of market based activity with low inflation and a general resurgence of capitalistic ideas (President Reagan). The stock market surged in the 1980s.

 

Me/Me 9.4.1972 - Watergate and the fall of Richard Nixon, US leaves the Bretton Woods gold

standard. Oil shock I

Me/Ke 6.9.1974 - Vietnam war ends

 

Me/Ve 3.9.1975 - stagflation emerges

Me/Su 4.7.1978 - Oil shock II

Me/Mo 10.5.1979

Me/Ma 9.10.1980

 

Me/Ra 6.10.1981 - recession in the USA aimed at controlling inflation

Me/Ju 24.4.1984

Me/Sa 31.7.1986 -first stock market crash since the 1930s.

 

During the KETU MAJOR PERIOD (April 1989 - April 1996) there was a period of uncertainty with regard to banks and the housing market. There was also the collapse of the Soviet Union which created a new situation in the world. Although a major victory, the USA became uncertain about its place in the world. Ketu aspects the 4th house, whose lord Venus is badly placed in the 6th house of financial stability. During this period, the housing market went through a slump. Ketu also aspects the 8th house of obstacles and endings and the 12th house of losses. During this period there was an emphasis on sudden and violent events, which Ketu rules, including the use of bombs.

 

Ke/Ke 9.4.1989 - the collapse of Soviet Communism begins.

Ke/Ve 5.9.1989

Ke/Su 6.11.1990 - US leads international force to invade and liberate Kuwait with startling

new bombs.

Ke/Mo 13.3.1991

Ke/Ma 12.10.1991

Ke/Ra 10.3.1992 - Bill Clinton ousts President Bush I due to voter dissatisfaction with the

economy. First bombing of World Trade Center.

Ke/Ju 28.3.1993

Ke/Sa 4.3.1994 - The assault on the WACO compound

Ke/Me 13.4.1995 - Oklahoma city bombing

 

During the VENUS MAJOR PERIOD (April 1996 - April 2016) so far we have seen the weakness of the housing system in the USA unfold with repercussions for financial stability. The communal harmony has been disturbed by the War in Iraq and the public finances have become strained by it. The Jupiter period has been pronounced in this regard, but Jupiter is the dispositor of Venus.

 

Ve/Ve 9.4.1996 - President Clinton embroiled in Scandal from early 1999

Ve/Su 10.8.1999 - President Clinton survives scandal

Ve/Mo 9.8.2000 - 9/11 attacks on World Trade Center and invasion of Afghanistan (Oct. 2001)

Ve/Ma 10.4.2002 - Invasion of Iraq (March 2003). Stock market enters a recovery from Spring

2003

Ve/Ra 10.6.2003 - Exotic mortgages become a hidden threat to financial stability

Ve/Ju 9.6.2006 - Sub-prime defaults come to light and housing market totters. Banks get into

serious trouble and several rescues take place. The attainment of

inflation stability has to be weighed against stability of the financial

system. Stock market comes under pressure

Ve/Sa 7.2.2009 - Saturnine issues ahead!

Ve/Me 9.4.2012 -

Ve/Ke 8.2.2015 -

 

In the up coming SUN MAJOR PERIOD (April 2016 - April 2022) we can expect some similarity with the developments in the 1896-1902 period.

 

Su/Su 9.4.2016

Su/Mo 28.7.2016

Su/Ma 26.1.2017

 

Su/Ra 3.6.2017

Su/Ju 28.4.2018

Su/Sa 14.2.2019

 

Su/Me 27.1.2020

 

Su/Ke 2.12.2020

 

Su/Ve 9.4.2021

 

The MOON MAJOR PERIOD (April 2022 - April 2028) could be in some ways similar to the 1902-1908 and the 1782-1788 periods in the USA.

 

Mo/Mo 10.4.2022

Mo/Ma 8.2.2023

 

Mo/Ra 9.9.2023

Mo/Ju 10.3.2025

Mo/Sa 10.7.2026

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

"jacks" <jacksSAMVA Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:31:20 AMRe: Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart

Thanks for all the work filling out astrologically what was seen by me and many others from the perspective of concerned citzens...that the subprime crisis was not a 'slam-dunk' event but the beginning of major problems for the US economic and political system. And that resolving these problems created by foolishness and fraud would be years long. That the US might look different at the ending of these events...seems assured. 'A fool if he persists in his foolishness, will become wise,' is the hope here.

 

Thanks again. Reading all your articles and charts...great learning experience. Don Park

 

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Cosmologer

samva

Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:29 AM

Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which show

 

a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices

b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the difference between the high and low value in the trading day)

 

From a. we can see

- the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when the housing market situation in the USA came to prominence and the first concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a recession was increasing

- the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to report losses

- the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008 when concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks and a recession in the USA became more widespread

 

Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007, share prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down.

 

From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the market is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to increased intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure what to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the intrad-day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly, since early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now are higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession and overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before.

 

What explains this shift to more financial market volatility since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart?

 

First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The Venus - Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all things having to do with Jupiter in the chart.

 

- JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of FIANCIAL STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity of the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or diseases).

- JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION (or eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (including banks).

- JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and MANAGEMENT.

- JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that the nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country.

- JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD MARS, and in addtion to the mutual aspect of MOON and MARS, this influences the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of Americans.

- RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH HOUSE of the chart, bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other indications of the 6TH HOUSE in the country

- VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY (social harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly 6TH HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and the COMMUNAL HARMONY.

- the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the 4TH HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the USA, notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events.

 

In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during this period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and afflictions that there will be

- problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the FINANCIAL STABILITY

- concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to the DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET

- CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY

 

This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since the onset of this period.

 

Major transit triggers:

 

- Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house afflicts 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS

- Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in Cancer and 1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal 2nd lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT and WEALTH.

- Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU while JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a RECESSION.

- January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and 12th house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th house. JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted by natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK MARKET DROPS.

- March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS and all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to bad placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further.

 

RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period

 

1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial stability and economic growth

The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and has been deepening since, was warned about by major international organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of 2006, warning about the RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately, the warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very risky US home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase

 

2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable but highly armed young men

The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young man at a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three dozen fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such incidents follow.

 

3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007

Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever pitch in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising cost of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in GOVERNMENT SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit reaches new heights.

 

We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated due to the following transits in 2008

 

1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and November - DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY

2. Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to September - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH

3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS.

4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then from September to December - CONFLICT

5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn - VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time.

 

The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are likely to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As earlier mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the FOREIGN POLICY area.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

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