Fear and loathing in the financial market - USA effect

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as per western astrology transit neptune will be coming in opposition to USA natal saturn (ie usa original saturn in usa independence chart) in early 2009 which shows that saturn will expose all the lies of neptune (neptune shows false hopes and mirage and make believe or something which is not the truth - whereas saturn exposes lies and tells the truth about the usa economy which though reselient is not totally infallible) - ie 2009 the usa economy will be worse than what it is today ie in 2008 - this usa recession will be worse than the usa recession of 1930's - fyi regards smart player cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear friends, Bear Sterns bank has been bought by JP Morgan. What emerges from the deal is that one of the largest investment banks in the US has been found to be worth only a fraction of its listed value on the stock exchange (around 6% of its listed value on Friday and 3% of the value on Thursday). In other words, the investors in this bank are losing most of the wealth they had in the bank. This is an enormously adverse development for the banking community and may have ramifications for the financial system and economy as a whole. The Federal Reserve is backing the deal and acting as lender of last resort. Yesterday, on a Sunday, the Fed also lowered the discount rate (its policy rate) by 0.25%, to 3.25%. It is

clear the Fed is now struggling to prevent a meltdown of the US financial system. As a result, it is likely this development will spook the finanacial markets further. We will soon see. The Best wishes, Thor JPMorgan Chase to buy Bear Stearns Story Highlights * Acquisition values Bear Stearns shares at $2; Shares closed Friday at $30 * U.S. Fed providing financing for up to $30 billion in Bear Stearns assets * Bear Stearns was facing "run on the bank" on Friday * Deal, if approved by shareholders, will close in June NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co. said Sunday that it is buying troubled Wall Street firm Bear Stearns, amid deepening fears that Bear's demise could have sent shockwaves across already shaky financial markets. The deal to buy Bear Stearns is worth an estimated $236 million. The deal

values Bear Stearns at $236 million, or just $2 a share. Shares had closed at $30 on Friday, down 47 percent that day. "Effective immediately, JPMorgan Chase is guaranteeing the trading obligations of Bear Stearns and its subsidiaries and is providing management oversight for its operations," said a statement released Sunday by JPMorgan. Shareholders must approve the deal, which is expected to close by the end of June. JPMorgan is taking immediate responsibility for Bear's trading obligations and assuming "management oversight" of the firm's operations. The deal has already been approved by the Federal Reserve and other regulators, according to the statement. The Fed is providing special emergency financing for up to $30 billion in Bear Stearns assets. "JPMorgan stands behind Bear Stearns," said Jamie Dimon, chairman and chief executive of JPMorgan. "Bear

Stearns clients and counterparties should feel secure that JPMorgan is guaranteeing ... risk," he continued. The fast-track deal is expected to close by the end of June, the statement said. U.S. Treasury chief remains upbeat CNN/Money: Fed acts on credit crisis Paulson defends Bear Sterns rescue CNN/Money: Bear's China bank deal in question Bear Stearns was on the brink of financial collapse Friday when JPMorgan and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said they would provide the brokerage a short-term loan. Bear was dealing with a classic "run on the bank." The firm's short- term creditors refused to lend the firm any more money and simultaneously demanded repayment of outstanding debt. The one-two punch overwhelmed Bear's cash position. With the global credit crisis worsening, the Fed -- along with officials from the Treasury Department and other

government agencies - - took the dramatic action to prevent the investment bank from going under and igniting widespread panic through the financial markets. Watch a discussion on the impact on global markets » Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said on Sunday that talks about how to rescue Bear had continued throughout the weekend. He defended the Fed's bailout on Friday as "the right decision" and said the Bush administration was ready to take other actions to bring stability to the financial markets. He would not say what might have happened had the government failed to step in. "I'm not going to speculate about what-ifs," he said. "I'm just going to say our clear priority right now -- our number one priority, everything we're doing in the economic arena -- is to minimize instability, minimize spillover into the real economy." Bear Stearns has approximately 14,000

employees worldwide. The deal marks an inglorious chapter for 85-year-old Bear Stearns, a storied Wall Street firm whose unraveling has been fast and furious. Rumors that Bear Stearns was on the verge of collapse started buzzing around Wall Street trading desks last Monday. Chief Executive Alan Schwartz -- who took over as CEO in early January from longtime chief Jimmy Cayne -- appeared on television on Wednesday afternoon to reassure the markets that the firm was stable. But by Thursday night, Bear was in a severe crunch. Some firms that trade with it effectively stopped offering it credit because they feared that Bear was running short of short-term funding, or liquidity. "The past week has been an incredibly difficult time for Bear Stearns," said Alan Schwartz, president and CEO of Bear Stearns. "This transaction represents the best outcome for all of our constituencies based upon the current circumstances." White House spokesman Tony Fratto told CNN on Sunday that Paulson has briefed President Bush on the Federal Reserve's role in helping to facilitate the purchase. "We appreciate the actions taken by the Federal Reserve this evening," said Fratto. "Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke are actively engaged in addressing issues affecting our financial markets. Secretary Paulson has kept the President briefed on recent developments." Shares of Bear Stearns opened last week at $69.75 and traded as high as $159 last year. ------------------ Fed Lowers Discount Rate, Expands Lending to Prevent Meltdown By Scott Lanman and Craig Torres March 17 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve, struggling to prevent a meltdown in financial markets, cut the rate on direct loans to banks and became

lender of last resort to the biggest dealers in U.S. government bonds. In its first weekend emergency action in almost three decades, the central bank lowered the so-called discount rate by a quarter of a percentage point to 3.25 percent. The Fed also will lend to the 20 firms that buy Treasury securities directly from it. In a further step, the Fed will provide up to $30 billion to JPMorgan Chase & Co. to help it finance the purchase of Bear Stearns Cos. after a run on Wall Street's fifth-largest securities firm. SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > Hello Mr. Park, > > The expression foolishness used by you appears to be right in the background of managing marketing of surplus services/goods without proper evaluating the risks by the loss making

banks/organisations. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > jacks > SAMVA > Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:01 AM > Re: Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart > > > > Thanks for all the work filling out astrologically what was seen by me and many others from the perspective of concerned citzens...that the subprime crisis was not a 'slam-dunk' event but the beginning of major problems for the US economic and political system. And that resolving these problems created by foolishness and fraud would be years long. That the US might look different at the ending of these events...seems assured. 'A fool if he persists in his

foolishness, will become wise,' is the hope here. > > Thanks again. Reading all your articles and charts...great learning experience. Don Park > - > Cosmologer > samva > Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:29 AM > Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart > > > Dear friends, > > It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which show > > a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices > b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the difference between the high and low value in the trading day) > > From a. we can see > - the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when the housing market

situation in the USA came to prominence and the first concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a recession was increasing > - the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to report losses > - the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008 when concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks and a recession in the USA became more widespread > > Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007, share prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down. > > From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the market is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to increased intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure what to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the intrad- day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly,

since early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now are higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession and overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before. > > What explains this shift to more financial market volatility since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart? > > First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The Venus - Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all things having to do with Jupiter in the chart. > > - JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of FIANCIAL STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity of the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or diseases). > - JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION (or eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and

FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (including banks). > - JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and MANAGEMENT. > - JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that the nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country. > - JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD MARS, and in addtion to the mutual aspect of MOON and MARS, this influences the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of Americans. > - RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH

HOUSE of the chart, bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other indications of the 6TH HOUSE in the country > - VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY (social harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly 6TH HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and the COMMUNAL HARMONY. > - the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the 4TH HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the USA, notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events. > > In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during this period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and afflictions that there will be > - problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the

FINANCIAL STABILITY > - concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to the DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET > - CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY > > This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since the onset of this period. > > Major transit triggers: > > - Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house afflicts 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS > - Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in Cancer and 1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal 2nd lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT and WEALTH. > - Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU while JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a RECESSION. > - January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and 12th house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th house. JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted by natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK MARKET DROPS. > - March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS and all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to bad placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further. > > RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period > > 1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial stability and economic growth > The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and has been deepening since, was warned about by major international organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of

2006, warning about the RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately, the warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very risky US home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase > > 2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable but highly armed young men > The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young man at a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three dozen fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such incidents follow. > > 3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007 > Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever pitch in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising cost

of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in GOVERNMENT SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit reaches new heights. > > We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated due to the following transits in 2008 > > 1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and November - DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY > 2. Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to September - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH > 3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS. > 4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then from September to December - CONFLICT > 5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn -

VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time. > > The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are likely to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As earlier mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the FOREIGN POLICY area. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > ------------------------- -------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > ------------------------- -------- > > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1329 - Release 3/14/2008 12:33 PM > Smart

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Hello Smart player,

 

Thanks for the prediction. While serious, we will see how things

develop. Certainly, the SAMVA USA chart shows

 

- a major period involving a planet (Venus) ruling fixed assets

(housing) that is badly placed in the 6th house of financial

stability (ability to deal with debt) in the SAMVA USA chart.

- Ketu is conjunct the most effective point of the 4th house,

afflicting its indications

- The problem of the marketing and sale of toxic or " exotic " mortgage

likely had its origins in the Rahu sub-period (2003-2006)

- An awarness of the problems began to emerge after the onset of the

Jupiter period in mid 2006 (IMF warning in September 2006).

- The housing crisis burst on the scene when transit stationary Ketu

in the 2nd house afflicted natal Venus in the 6th house in early 2007

- the current sub-period lord is afflicting the natal Venus

- transit Venus is badly placed in transit in the 8th house further

weakening the situation

- the prediction of volatility in the financial market in 2008 have

been made on the basis of this chart

- transit Jupiter will enter its sign of debilitation in late 2008

and will a year later enter the 8th house, which would not be helpful

to financial stability. In other words, the outlook is not very good

for the next few years.

- next year will see the sub period of Saturn as 8th lord. It natally

afflicts the 2nd lord of wealth. The period will start at the end of

a difficult affliction involving transit Saturn (Nov '08-Feb '09).

- As the Venus period lasts until 2012, these issues will be dealt

with until then

 

In short, the difficulties are clearly seen in the SAMVA USA chart

with SA.

 

Regarding your thesis, we could note that during the last Saturn-

Neptune opposition in the early 1970s there was no concern over the

stock market, while the latter part of the decade had growing

problems with slow growth and high inflation associated with the cost

of the Vietnam War (1963-1975). The stock market was stagnant, but no

depression.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , smart player <smartdude75 wrote:

>

> as per western astrology transit neptune will be coming in

opposition to USA natal saturn (ie usa original saturn in usa

independence chart) in early 2009 which shows that saturn will

expose all the lies of neptune (neptune shows false hopes and mirage

and make believe or something which is not the truth - whereas

saturn exposes lies and tells the truth about the usa economy which

though reselient is not totally infallible) - ie 2009 the usa

economy will be worse than what it is today ie in 2008 - this usa

recession will be worse than the usa recession of 1930's - fyi

>

> regards

> smart player

>

>

> cosmologer <cosmologer

wrote: Dear friends,

>

> Bear Sterns bank has been bought by JP Morgan. What emerges from

the

> deal is that one of the largest investment banks in the US has

been

> found to be worth only a fraction of its listed value on the

stock

> exchange (around 6% of its listed value on Friday and 3% of the

value

> on Thursday). In other words, the investors in this bank are

losing

> most of the wealth they had in the bank. This is an enormously

> adverse development for the banking community and may have

> ramifications for the financial system and economy as a whole.

The

> Federal Reserve is backing the deal and acting as lender of last

> resort. Yesterday, on a Sunday, the Fed also lowered the discount

> rate (its policy rate) by 0.25%, to 3.25%. It is clear the Fed is

now

> struggling to prevent a meltdown of the US financial system. As a

> result, it is likely this development will spook the finanacial

> markets further. We will soon see.

>

> The

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> JPMorgan Chase to buy Bear Stearns

>

> Story Highlights

> * Acquisition values Bear Stearns shares at $2; Shares closed

Friday

> at $30

> * U.S. Fed providing financing for up to $30 billion in Bear

Stearns

> assets

> * Bear Stearns was facing " run on the bank " on Friday

> * Deal, if approved by shareholders, will close in June

>

> NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co. said Sunday that

it

> is buying troubled Wall Street firm Bear Stearns, amid deepening

> fears that Bear's demise could have sent shockwaves across

already

> shaky financial markets.

>

> The deal to buy Bear Stearns is worth an estimated $236 million.

>

> The deal values Bear Stearns at $236 million, or just $2 a share.

> Shares had closed at $30 on Friday, down 47 percent that day.

>

> " Effective immediately, JPMorgan Chase is guaranteeing the

trading

> obligations of Bear Stearns and its subsidiaries and is providing

> management oversight for its operations, " said a statement

released

> Sunday by JPMorgan.

>

> Shareholders must approve the deal, which is expected to close by

the

> end of June.

>

> JPMorgan is taking immediate responsibility for Bear's trading

> obligations and assuming " management oversight " of the firm's

> operations. The deal has already been approved by the Federal

Reserve

> and other regulators, according to the statement.

>

> The Fed is providing special emergency financing for up to $30

> billion in Bear Stearns assets.

>

> " JPMorgan stands behind Bear Stearns, " said Jamie Dimon, chairman

and

> chief executive of JPMorgan. " Bear Stearns clients and

counterparties

> should feel secure that JPMorgan is guaranteeing ... risk, " he

> continued.

>

> The fast-track deal is expected to close by the end of June, the

> statement said.

>

> U.S. Treasury chief remains upbeat

> CNN/Money: Fed acts on credit crisis

> Paulson defends Bear Sterns rescue

> CNN/Money: Bear's China bank deal in question

> Bear Stearns was on the brink of financial collapse Friday when

> JPMorgan and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said they would

> provide the brokerage a short-term loan.

>

> Bear was dealing with a classic " run on the bank. " The firm's

short-

> term creditors refused to lend the firm any more money and

> simultaneously demanded repayment of outstanding debt.

>

> The one-two punch overwhelmed Bear's cash position.

>

> With the global credit crisis worsening, the Fed -- along with

> officials from the Treasury Department and other government

agencies -

> - took the dramatic action to prevent the investment bank from

going

> under and igniting widespread panic through the financial

markets.

> Watch a discussion on the impact on global markets »

>

> Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said on Sunday that talks about

how

> to rescue Bear had continued throughout the weekend. He defended

the

> Fed's bailout on Friday as " the right decision " and said the Bush

> administration was ready to take other actions to bring stability

to

> the financial markets.

>

> He would not say what might have happened had the government

failed

> to step in.

>

> " I'm not going to speculate about what-ifs, " he said. " I'm just

going

> to say our clear priority right now -- our number one priority,

> everything we're doing in the economic arena -- is to minimize

> instability, minimize spillover into the real economy. "

>

> Bear Stearns has approximately 14,000 employees worldwide.

>

> The deal marks an inglorious chapter for 85-year-old Bear

Stearns, a

> storied Wall Street firm whose unraveling has been fast and

furious.

>

> Rumors that Bear Stearns was on the verge of collapse started

buzzing

> around Wall Street trading desks last Monday. Chief Executive

Alan

> Schwartz -- who took over as CEO in early January from longtime

chief

> Jimmy Cayne -- appeared on television on Wednesday afternoon to

> reassure the markets that the firm was stable.

>

> But by Thursday night, Bear was in a severe crunch. Some firms

that

> trade with it effectively stopped offering it credit because they

> feared that Bear was running short of short-term funding, or

> liquidity.

>

> " The past week has been an incredibly difficult time for Bear

> Stearns, " said Alan Schwartz, president and CEO of Bear

> Stearns. " This transaction represents the best outcome for all of

our

> constituencies based upon the current circumstances. "

>

> White House spokesman Tony Fratto told CNN on Sunday that Paulson

has

> briefed President Bush on the Federal Reserve's role in helping

to

> facilitate the purchase.

>

> " We appreciate the actions taken by the Federal Reserve this

> evening, " said Fratto. " Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke

are

> actively engaged in addressing issues affecting our financial

> markets. Secretary Paulson has kept the President briefed on

recent

> developments. "

>

> Shares of Bear Stearns opened last week at $69.75 and traded as

high

> as $159 last year.

>

> ------------------

> Fed Lowers Discount Rate, Expands Lending to Prevent Meltdown

>

> By Scott Lanman and Craig Torres

>

> March 17 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve, struggling to

prevent a

> meltdown in financial markets, cut the rate on direct loans to

banks

> and became lender of last resort to the biggest dealers in U.S.

> government bonds.

>

> In its first weekend emergency action in almost three decades,

the

> central bank lowered the so-called discount rate by a quarter of

a

> percentage point to 3.25 percent. The Fed also will lend to the

20

> firms that buy Treasury securities directly from it. In a further

> step, the Fed will provide up to $30 billion to JPMorgan Chase &

Co.

> to help it finance the purchase of Bear Stearns Cos. after a run

on

> Wall Street's fifth-largest securities firm.

>

> SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello Mr. Park,

> >

> > The expression foolishness used by you appears to be right in

the

> background of managing marketing of surplus services/goods

without

> proper evaluating the risks by the loss making

banks/organisations.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > jacks@

> > SAMVA

> > Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:01 AM

> > Re: Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-

period

> in the SAMVA USA chart

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for all the work filling out astrologically what was

seen

> by me and many others from the perspective of concerned

> citzens...that the subprime crisis was not a 'slam-dunk' event

but

> the beginning of major problems for the US economic and political

> system. And that resolving these problems created by foolishness

and

> fraud would be years long. That the US might look different at

the

> ending of these events...seems assured. 'A fool if he persists in

his

> foolishness, will become wise,' is the hope here.

> >

> > Thanks again. Reading all your articles and charts...great

> learning experience. Don Park

> > -

> > Cosmologer

> > samva

> > Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:29 AM

> > Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period

in

> the SAMVA USA chart

> >

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which

show

> >

> > a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices

> > b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the

difference

> between the high and low value in the trading day)

> >

> > From a. we can see

> > - the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when

the

> housing market situation in the USA came to prominence and the

first

> concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a

> recession was increasing

> > - the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to

> report losses

> > - the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008

when

> concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks

and a

> recession in the USA became more widespread

> >

> > Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007,

share

> prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down.

> >

> > From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the

market

> is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to

increased

> intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure

what

> to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the

intrad-

> day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly, since

> early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now

are

> higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market

> participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession

and

> overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before.

> >

> > What explains this shift to more financial market

volatility

> since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart?

> >

> > First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The

Venus -

> Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all

> things having to do with Jupiter in the chart.

> >

> > - JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of

FIANCIAL

> STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity

of

> the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or diseases).

> > - JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION

(or

> eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and FINANCIAL

INSTITUTIONS

> (including banks).

> > - JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL

> SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and

MANAGEMENT.

> > - JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of

> INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart

> explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious

> impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that

the

> nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the

> functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with

> respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country.

> > - JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD

MARS,

> and in addtion to the mutual aspect of MOON and MARS, this

influences

> the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of

> Americans.

> > - RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH HOUSE of the

chart,

> bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other

indications

> of the 6TH HOUSE in the country

> > - VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY

(social

> harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH

> HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with

> FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly

6TH

> HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and

the

> COMMUNAL HARMONY.

> > - the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the

4TH

> HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the

USA,

> notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events.

> >

> > In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during

this

> period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and

> afflictions that there will be

> > - problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the

FINANCIAL

> STABILITY

> > - concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to

the

> DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET

> > - CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY

> >

> > This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since

the

> onset of this period.

> >

> > Major transit triggers:

> >

> > - Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house

afflicts

> 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS

> > - Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes

> conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in

> Cancer and 1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal

2nd

> lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT

and

> WEALTH.

> > - Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU

while

> JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to

> unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a

> RECESSION.

> > - January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and

12th

> house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th

house.

> JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted

by

> natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK

MARKET

> DROPS.

> > - March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS

and

> all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to

bad

> placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further.

> >

> > RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period

> >

> > 1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial

> stability and economic growth

> > The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and

has

> been deepening since, was warned about by major international

> organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of 2006, warning about

the

> RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately,

the

> warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very

risky US

> home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and

> sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors

> increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase

> >

> > 2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable

but

> highly armed young men

> > The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young

man at

> a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three

dozen

> fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such

> incidents follow.

> >

> > 3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007

> > Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever

pitch

> in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising

cost

> of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became

> increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in

GOVERNMENT

> SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit

reaches

> new heights.

> >

> > We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated

due

> to the following transits in 2008

> >

> > 1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and

November -

> DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY

> > 2. Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to

September -

> CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH

> > 3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in

> August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN

for

> FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS.

> > 4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then

from

> September to December - CONFLICT

> > 5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn -

> VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time.

> >

> > The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are

likely

> to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As

earlier

> mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the

FOREIGN

> POLICY area.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

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thanks for ur detailed anaylysis which is gud. reagrding my analysis transit neptune transists all the 12 zodiac signs and takes 84 years to complete the transit. the last transit was in 1928-29 ie transit neptune oppositve natal saturn in usa independence chart (as per western astrology - not indian as there is a difference of 23 deg between western and indian astrology) - so the next similar oppostion comes after 84 years that wud be arnd 2011 but the effect starts before that due to which we are seeing a difficult time for the usa which is definately going to get worse from now onwards upto 2011 -2012 - fyi regards / smart playercosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Hello Smart player,Thanks for the prediction. While serious, we will see how things develop. Certainly, the SAMVA USA chart shows- a major period involving a planet (Venus) ruling fixed assets (housing) that is badly placed in the 6th house of financial stability (ability to deal with debt) in the SAMVA USA chart.- Ketu is conjunct the most effective point of the 4th house, afflicting its indications - The problem of the marketing and sale of toxic or "exotic" mortgage likely had its origins in the Rahu sub-period (2003-2006)- An awarness of the problems began to emerge after the onset of the Jupiter period

in mid 2006 (IMF warning in September 2006).- The housing crisis burst on the scene when transit stationary Ketu in the 2nd house afflicted natal Venus in the 6th house in early 2007- the current sub-period lord is afflicting the natal Venus - transit Venus is badly placed in transit in the 8th house further weakening the situation- the prediction of volatility in the financial market in 2008 have been made on the basis of this chart- transit Jupiter will enter its sign of debilitation in late 2008 and will a year later enter the 8th house, which would not be helpful to financial stability. In other words, the outlook is not very good for the next few years.- next year will see the sub period of Saturn as 8th lord. It natally afflicts the 2nd lord of wealth. The period will start at the end of a difficult affliction involving transit Saturn (Nov '08-Feb '09).- As the Venus period lasts until 2012, these issues

will be dealt with until thenIn short, the difficulties are clearly seen in the SAMVA USA chart with SA.Regarding your thesis, we could note that during the last Saturn-Neptune opposition in the early 1970s there was no concern over the stock market, while the latter part of the decade had growing problems with slow growth and high inflation associated with the cost of the Vietnam War (1963-1975). The stock market was stagnant, but no depression.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , smart player <smartdude75 wrote:>> as per western astrology transit neptune will be coming in opposition to USA natal saturn (ie usa original saturn in usa independence chart) in early 2009 which shows that saturn will expose all the lies of neptune (neptune shows false hopes and mirage and make believe or something which is

not the truth - whereas saturn exposes lies and tells the truth about the usa economy which though reselient is not totally infallible) - ie 2009 the usa economy will be worse than what it is today ie in 2008 - this usa recession will be worse than the usa recession of 1930's - fyi> > regards> smart player> > > cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear friends,> > Bear Sterns bank has been bought by JP Morgan. What emerges from the > deal is that one of the largest investment banks in the US has been > found to be worth only a fraction of its listed value on the stock > exchange (around 6% of its listed value on Friday and 3% of the value > on Thursday). In other words, the investors in this bank are losing > most of the wealth they had in the bank. This is an enormously > adverse development for the banking community and may

have > ramifications for the financial system and economy as a whole. The > Federal Reserve is backing the deal and acting as lender of last > resort. Yesterday, on a Sunday, the Fed also lowered the discount > rate (its policy rate) by 0.25%, to 3.25%. It is clear the Fed is now > struggling to prevent a meltdown of the US financial system. As a > result, it is likely this development will spook the finanacial > markets further. We will soon see.> > The > > Best wishes,> > Thor> > JPMorgan Chase to buy Bear Stearns> > Story Highlights> * Acquisition values Bear Stearns shares at $2; Shares closed Friday > at $30> * U.S. Fed providing financing for up to $30 billion in Bear Stearns > assets> * Bear Stearns was facing "run on the bank" on Friday> * Deal, if approved by shareholders, will close in

June> > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co. said Sunday that it > is buying troubled Wall Street firm Bear Stearns, amid deepening > fears that Bear's demise could have sent shockwaves across already > shaky financial markets.> > The deal to buy Bear Stearns is worth an estimated $236 million.> > The deal values Bear Stearns at $236 million, or just $2 a share. > Shares had closed at $30 on Friday, down 47 percent that day.> > "Effective immediately, JPMorgan Chase is guaranteeing the trading > obligations of Bear Stearns and its subsidiaries and is providing > management oversight for its operations," said a statement released > Sunday by JPMorgan.> > Shareholders must approve the deal, which is expected to close by the > end of June.> > JPMorgan is taking immediate responsibility for Bear's trading

> obligations and assuming "management oversight" of the firm's > operations. The deal has already been approved by the Federal Reserve > and other regulators, according to the statement.> > The Fed is providing special emergency financing for up to $30 > billion in Bear Stearns assets.> > "JPMorgan stands behind Bear Stearns," said Jamie Dimon, chairman and > chief executive of JPMorgan. "Bear Stearns clients and counterparties > should feel secure that JPMorgan is guaranteeing ... risk," he > continued.> > The fast-track deal is expected to close by the end of June, the > statement said.> > U.S. Treasury chief remains upbeat > CNN/Money: Fed acts on credit crisis > Paulson defends Bear Sterns rescue > CNN/Money: Bear's China bank deal in question > Bear Stearns was on the brink of financial collapse Friday when >

JPMorgan and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said they would > provide the brokerage a short-term loan.> > Bear was dealing with a classic "run on the bank." The firm's short-> term creditors refused to lend the firm any more money and > simultaneously demanded repayment of outstanding debt.> > The one-two punch overwhelmed Bear's cash position.> > With the global credit crisis worsening, the Fed -- along with > officials from the Treasury Department and other government agencies -> - took the dramatic action to prevent the investment bank from going > under and igniting widespread panic through the financial markets. > Watch a discussion on the impact on global markets »> > Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said on Sunday that talks about how > to rescue Bear had continued throughout the weekend. He defended the > Fed's bailout

on Friday as "the right decision" and said the Bush > administration was ready to take other actions to bring stability to > the financial markets.> > He would not say what might have happened had the government failed > to step in.> > "I'm not going to speculate about what-ifs," he said. "I'm just going > to say our clear priority right now -- our number one priority, > everything we're doing in the economic arena -- is to minimize > instability, minimize spillover into the real economy."> > Bear Stearns has approximately 14,000 employees worldwide.> > The deal marks an inglorious chapter for 85-year-old Bear Stearns, a > storied Wall Street firm whose unraveling has been fast and furious.> > Rumors that Bear Stearns was on the verge of collapse started buzzing > around Wall Street trading desks last Monday. Chief Executive

Alan > Schwartz -- who took over as CEO in early January from longtime chief > Jimmy Cayne -- appeared on television on Wednesday afternoon to > reassure the markets that the firm was stable.> > But by Thursday night, Bear was in a severe crunch. Some firms that > trade with it effectively stopped offering it credit because they > feared that Bear was running short of short-term funding, or > liquidity.> > "The past week has been an incredibly difficult time for Bear > Stearns," said Alan Schwartz, president and CEO of Bear > Stearns. "This transaction represents the best outcome for all of our > constituencies based upon the current circumstances."> > White House spokesman Tony Fratto told CNN on Sunday that Paulson has > briefed President Bush on the Federal Reserve's role in helping to > facilitate the purchase.>

> "We appreciate the actions taken by the Federal Reserve this > evening," said Fratto. "Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke are > actively engaged in addressing issues affecting our financial > markets. Secretary Paulson has kept the President briefed on recent > developments."> > Shares of Bear Stearns opened last week at $69.75 and traded as high > as $159 last year. > > ------------------> Fed Lowers Discount Rate, Expands Lending to Prevent Meltdown > > By Scott Lanman and Craig Torres> > March 17 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve, struggling to prevent a > meltdown in financial markets, cut the rate on direct loans to banks > and became lender of last resort to the biggest dealers in U.S. > government bonds. > > In its first weekend emergency action in almost three decades, the >

central bank lowered the so-called discount rate by a quarter of a > percentage point to 3.25 percent. The Fed also will lend to the 20 > firms that buy Treasury securities directly from it. In a further > step, the Fed will provide up to $30 billion to JPMorgan Chase & Co. > to help it finance the purchase of Bear Stearns Cos. after a run on > Wall Street's fifth-largest securities firm. > > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@> wrote:> >> > > > Hello Mr. Park,> > > > The expression foolishness used by you appears to be right in the > background of managing marketing of surplus services/goods without > proper evaluating the risks by the loss making banks/organisations.> > > > Best wishes.> > > > V K

Choudhry> > > > > > > > - > > jacks@ > > SAMVA > > Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:01 AM> > Re: Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period > in the SAMVA USA chart> > > > > > > > Thanks for all the work filling out astrologically what was seen > by me and many others from the perspective of concerned > citzens...that the subprime crisis was not a 'slam-dunk' event but > the beginning of major problems for the US economic and political > system. And that resolving these problems created by foolishness and > fraud would be years long. That the US might look different at the > ending of these events...seems assured. 'A fool if he persists in his > foolishness,

will become wise,' is the hope here.> > > > Thanks again. Reading all your articles and charts...great > learning experience. Don Park> > - > > Cosmologer > > samva > > Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:29 AM> > Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in > the SAMVA USA chart> > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which show> > > > a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices > > b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the difference > between the high and low value in the trading day)> > > > From a. we can see > > - the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when the >

housing market situation in the USA came to prominence and the first > concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a > recession was increasing> > - the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to > report losses> > - the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008 when > concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks and a > recession in the USA became more widespread> > > > Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007, share > prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down.> > > > From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the market > is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to increased > intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure what > to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the

intrad-> day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly, since > early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now are > higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market > participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession and > overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before.> > > > What explains this shift to more financial market volatility > since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart?> > > > First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The Venus -> Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all > things having to do with Jupiter in the chart. > > > > - JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of FIANCIAL > STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity of > the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or

diseases). > > - JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION (or > eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS > (including banks). > > - JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL > SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and MANAGEMENT.> > - JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of > INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart > explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious > impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that the > nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the > functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with > respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country. > > - JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD MARS, > and in addtion to the mutual

aspect of MOON and MARS, this influences > the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of > Americans.> > - RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH HOUSE of the chart, > bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other indications > of the 6TH HOUSE in the country> > - VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY (social > harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH > HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with > FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly 6TH > HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and the > COMMUNAL HARMONY.> > - the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the 4TH > HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the USA, > notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events.> >

> > In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during this > period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and > afflictions that there will be> > - problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the FINANCIAL > STABILITY > > - concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to the > DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET> > - CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY> > > > This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since the > onset of this period.> > > > Major transit triggers:> > > > - Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house afflicts > 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS> > - Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes > conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in > Cancer and

1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal 2nd > lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT and > WEALTH.> > - Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU while > JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to > unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a > RECESSION.> > - January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and 12th > house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th house. > JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted by > natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK MARKET > DROPS.> > - March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS and > all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to bad > placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further.>

> > > RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period> > > > 1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial > stability and economic growth> > The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and has > been deepening since, was warned about by major international > organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of 2006, warning about the > RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately, the > warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very risky US > home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and > sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors > increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase> > > > 2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable but > highly armed young men> > The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young

man at > a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three dozen > fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such > incidents follow.> > > > 3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007> > Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever pitch > in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising cost > of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became > increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in GOVERNMENT > SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit reaches > new heights.> > > > We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated due > to the following transits in 2008> > > > 1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and November - > DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY> > 2.

Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to September - > CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH > > 3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in > August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for > FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS. > > 4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then from > September to December - CONFLICT> > 5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn - > VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time.> > > > The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are likely > to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As earlier > mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the FOREIGN > POLICY area.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > > >

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Re: Fear and loathing in the financial market - USA effect

 

 

as per western astrology transit neptune will be coming in opposition to USA natal saturn (ie usa original saturn in usa independence chart) in early 2009 which shows that saturn will expose all the lies of neptune (neptune shows false hopes and mirage and make believe or something which is not the truth - whereas saturn exposes lies and tells the truth about the usa economy which though reselient is not totally infallible) - ie 2009 the usa economy will be worse than what it is today ie in 2008 - this usa recession will be worse than the usa recession of 1930's - fyiregardssmart playercosmologer <cosmologer > wrote:

 

 

Dear friends,Bear Sterns bank has been bought by JP Morgan. What emerges from the deal is that one of the largest investment banks in the US has been found to be worth only a fraction of its listed value on the stock exchange (around 6% of its listed value on Friday and 3% of the value on Thursday). In other words, the investors in this bank are losing most of the wealth they had in the bank. This is an enormously adverse development for the banking community and may have ramifications for the financial system and economy as a whole. The Federal Reserve is backing the deal and acting as lender of last resort. Yesterday, on a Sunday, the Fed also lowered the discount rate (its policy rate) by 0.25%, to 3.25%. It is clear the Fed is now struggling to prevent a meltdown of the US financial system. As a result, it is likely this development will spook the finanacial markets further. We will soon see.The Best wishes,ThorJPMorgan Chase to buy Bear StearnsStory Highlights* Acquisition values Bear Stearns shares at $2; Shares closed Friday at $30* U.S. Fed providing financing for up to $30 billion in Bear Stearns assets* Bear Stearns was facing "run on the bank" on Friday* Deal, if approved by shareholders, will close in JuneNEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co. said Sunday that it is buying troubled Wall Street firm Bear Stearns, amid deepening fears that Bear's demise could have sent shockwaves across already shaky financial markets.The deal to buy Bear Stearns is worth an estimated $236 million.The deal values Bear Stearns at $236 million, or just $2 a share. Shares had closed at $30 on Friday, down 47 percent that day."Effective immediately, JPMorgan Chase is guaranteeing the trading obligations of Bear Stearns and its subsidiaries and is providing management oversight for its operations," said a statement released Sunday by JPMorgan.Shareholders must approve the deal, which is expected to close by the end of June.JPMorgan is taking immediate responsibility for Bear's trading obligations and assuming "management oversight" of the firm's operations. The deal has already been approved by the Federal Reserve and other regulators, according to the statement.The Fed is providing special emergency financing for up to $30 billion in Bear Stearns assets."JPMorgan stands behind Bear Stearns," said Jamie Dimon, chairman and chief executive of JPMorgan. "Bear Stearns clients and counterparties should feel secure that JPMorgan is guaranteeing ... risk," he continued.The fast-track deal is expected to close by the end of June, the statement said.U.S. Treasury chief remains upbeat CNN/Money: Fed acts on credit crisis Paulson defends Bear Sterns rescue CNN/Money: Bear's China bank deal in question Bear Stearns was on the brink of financial collapse Friday when JPMorgan and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said they would provide the brokerage a short-term loan.Bear was dealing with a classic "run on the bank." The firm's short-term creditors refused to lend the firm any more money and simultaneously demanded repayment of outstanding debt.The one-two punch overwhelmed Bear's cash position.With the global credit crisis worsening, the Fed -- along with officials from the Treasury Department and other government agencies -- took the dramatic action to prevent the investment bank from going under and igniting widespread panic through the financial markets. Watch a discussion on the impact on global markets »Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said on Sunday that talks about how to rescue Bear had continued throughout the weekend. He defended the Fed's bailout on Friday as "the right decision" and said the Bush administration was ready to take other actions to bring stability to the financial markets.He would not say what might have happened had the government failed to step in."I'm not going to speculate about what-ifs," he said. "I'm just going to say our clear priority right now -- our number one priority, everything we're doing in the economic arena -- is to minimize instability, minimize spillover into the real economy."Bear Stearns has approximately 14,000 employees worldwide.The deal marks an inglorious chapter for 85-year-old Bear Stearns, a storied Wall Street firm whose unraveling has been fast and furious.Rumors that Bear Stearns was on the verge of collapse started buzzing around Wall Street trading desks last Monday. Chief Executive Alan Schwartz -- who took over as CEO in early January from longtime chief Jimmy Cayne -- appeared on television on Wednesday afternoon to reassure the markets that the firm was stable.But by Thursday night, Bear was in a severe crunch. Some firms that trade with it effectively stopped offering it credit because they feared that Bear was running short of short-term funding, or liquidity."The past week has been an incredibly difficult time for Bear Stearns," said Alan Schwartz, president and CEO of Bear Stearns. "This transaction represents the best outcome for all of our constituencies based upon the current circumstances."White House spokesman Tony Fratto told CNN on Sunday that Paulson has briefed President Bush on the Federal Reserve's role in helping to facilitate the purchase."We appreciate the actions taken by the Federal Reserve this evening," said Fratto. "Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke are actively engaged in addressing issues affecting our financial markets. Secretary Paulson has kept the President briefed on recent developments."Shares of Bear Stearns opened last week at $69.75 and traded as high as $159 last year. ------------------Fed Lowers Discount Rate, Expands Lending to Prevent Meltdown By Scott Lanman and Craig TorresMarch 17 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve, struggling to prevent a meltdown in financial markets, cut the rate on direct loans to banks and became lender of last resort to the biggest dealers in U.S. government bonds. In its first weekend emergency action in almost three decades, the central bank lowered the so-called discount rate by a quarter of a percentage point to 3.25 percent. The Fed also will lend to the 20 firms that buy Treasury securities directly from it. In a further step, the Fed will provide up to $30 billion to JPMorgan Chase & Co. to help it finance the purchase of Bear Stearns Cos. after a run on Wall Street's fifth-largest securities firm. SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote:>> > Hello Mr. Park,> > The expression foolishness used by you appears to be right in the background of managing marketing of surplus services/goods without proper evaluating the risks by the loss making banks/organisations.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > - > jacks > SAMVA > Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:01 AM> Re: Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart> > > > Thanks for all the work filling out astrologically what was seen by me and many others from the perspective of concerned citzens...that the subprime crisis was not a 'slam-dunk' event but the beginning of major problems for the US economic and political system. And that resolving these problems created by foolishness and fraud would be years long. That the US might look different at the ending of these events...seems assured. 'A fool if he persists in his foolishness, will become wise,' is the hope here.> > Thanks again. Reading all your articles and charts...great learning experience. Don Park> - > Cosmologer > samva > Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:29 AM> Further thoughts on the Jupiter sub-period in the SAMVA USA chart> > > Dear friends,> > It is interesting to see the two graphs (attached) which show> > a. the Dow Jones Index of stock market prices > b. the intra-day volatility in the stock market (the difference between the high and low value in the trading day)> > From a. we can see > - the drop in the stock market in late February 2007 when the housing market situation in the USA came to prominence and the first concerns were expressed by oppinion makers that the risk of a recession was increasing> - the drop in late July 2007 when the first banks began to report losses> - the drop from late October 2007 and into January 2008 when concerns increased about higher oil prices, profits of US banks and a recession in the USA became more widespread> > Since the peak of the market in the second half of 2007, share prices have become more volatile with the movement primarily down.> > From b. we can see clearly that the uncertainty in the market is increasing. The drop in the stock market is linked to increased intra-day volatility. This shows that investors become less sure what to expect at any given time. After decreasing recently, the intrad-day volatility has recently increased again. Interestingly, since early 2007, the volatility has increased such that the lows now are higher then the highs before mid 2007. Clearly, the market participants are showing that they think the risk of a recession and overall uncertainty are greater at this time than before.> > What explains this shift to more financial market volatility since 2007 as seen in the SAMVA USA chart?> > First of all we need to keep the sub-period in mind. The Venus -Jupiter period began in June 2006. This put an emphasis on all things having to do with Jupiter in the chart. > > - JUPITER, as 6TH LORD, is the functional indicator of FIANCIAL STABILITY (the manageability of debts), CONFLICT (war or activity of the courts) and HEALTH (the health system or diseases). > - JUPITER is also a general indicator of GROWTH, RELIGION (or eclesiastic matters), JUDICIARY (judges) and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (including banks). > - JUPITER is placed in the 5th house, which rules FINANCIAL SPECULATION, HIGHER LEARNING, OFF-SPRING, CREATIVITY and MANAGEMENT.> - JUPITER aspects natal 1ST LORD MOON in the 11TH HOUSE of INCOME and ASPIRATIONS (hopes, goals or wishes) in the chart explaining disruptions to efforts to obtain income, a religious impulse of the nation as well as its war like nature such that the nation rarely backs down from a challenge. On other words, the functional and general energy of Jupiter is strongly felt with respect to the MOON, which governs the self of the country. > - JUPITER is close to being conjunct the strong 10TH LORD MARS, and in addtion to the mutual aspect of MOON and MARS, this influences the MILITARY PROWESS, COURAGE and the famed TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW of Americans.> - RAHU in the 10TH HOUSE aspects the 6TH HOUSE of the chart, bringing periodic CRISES to financial stability and other indications of the 6TH HOUSE in the country> - VENUS as 4TH LORD of REAL ESTATE, COMMUNAL HARMONY (social harmony), EDUCATION and MAJOR INCLINATIONS, is placed in the 6TH HOUSE, showing the IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING and its INVOLVEMENT with FINANCIAL STABILITY in the country. It also shows how profoundly 6TH HOUSE PROBLEMS or SETBACKS disturb the PSYCHE OF THE COUNTY and the COMMUNAL HARMONY.> - the placement of KETU in the most effective point of the 4TH HOUSE adds to the VULNERABILITY of 4TH HOUSE INDICATIONS in the USA, notably to SUDDEN and VIOLENT events.> > In short, we see a rather complex natal potential during this period suggesting, given the appropriate transit placements and afflictions that there will be> - problems in the HOUSING market that undermines the FINANCIAL STABILITY > - concerns about INCOME (a recession) increase and add to the DIVISIVENESS and the volatility in the FINANCIAL MARKET> - CONFLICT (or war) disturb the COMMUNAL HARMONY> > This is exactly what we have been seeing in the USA since the onset of this period.> > Major transit triggers:> > - Early 2007: stationary KETU at 23° Leo and 2nd house afflicts 4th lord VENUS at 23° 51' - CRISIS ERUPTS> - Spring/Summer 2007: 6th lord JUPITER in Scorpio becomes conjunct natal 8th lord SATURN while aspecting transit Saturn in Cancer and 1st house. At same time, transit Saturn opposes natal 2nd lord Sun - FINANCIAL STABILITY and major PROBLEMS for GOVERNMENT and WEALTH.> - Autumn 2007: SATURN becomes conjunct stationary KETU while JUPITER again becomes conjunct natal SATURN. OIL PRICES RISE to unprecedented heights attended by increased CONCERNS about a RECESSION.> - January 2008: transit 10th lord MARS enters Gemini and 12th house while also being aspected by stationary RAHU in the 8th house. JUPITER in Sagittarius aspects SATURN and then becomes afflicted by natal RAHU. INVESTOR CONCERNS exceed the courage and the STOCK MARKET DROPS.> - March 2008: JUPITER becomes exactly conjunct natal VENUS and all Functional Benefic planets in the chart become weak due to bad placement. CONFIDENCE is further eroded and stocks drop further.> > RESULTS during Jupiter sub-period> > 1. A housing crisis erupts in 2007 threatening financial stability and economic growth> The sub-prime mess that erupted in late February 2007 and has been deepening since, was warned about by major international organisations like the IMF in the Autumn of 2006, warning about the RISKS associated with EXOTIC MORTGAGE INSTRUMENTS. Unfortunately, the warning came too late, as hundreds of billions worth of very risky US home mortgages had been wrapped into complex debt instruments and sold around the world. The deepening problems make investors increasingly concerned and the uncertainty only seems to increase> > 2. Massacres at universities involving mentally unstable but highly armed young men> The murder rampage of a deranged and disillusioned young man at a large University on April 17, 2007 resulting in almost three dozen fatalities shocks the nation. Many more, albeit smaller, such incidents follow.> > 3. The War in Iraq becomes highly controversial in 2007> Communal dis-harmony with the WAR IN IRAQ reached a fever pitch in 2007 with PEACE ACTIVISTS becoming very prominent. The rising cost of the war also alarmed US law makers in 2007, who became increasingly resistant to allowing continual increases in GOVERNMENT SPENDING on the war. The US Federal Government Budget Deficit reaches new heights.> > We can expect that these issues will be further aggravated due to the following transits in 2008> > 1. Jupiter conjuncts natal Venus again in July and November - DISTURBANCE to COMMUNAL HARMONY> 2. Stationary nodes afflict natal Sun from July to September - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for PRESIDENCY and WEALTH > 3. Jupiter comes under aspect of natal Rahu in August/September, along with transit Saturn - CRISIS/GREAT STRAIN for FINANCIAL STABILITY and POLITICAL PROCESS. > 4. Jupiter aspects Saturn two more times, in July and then from September to December - CONFLICT> 5. transit Saturn comes under aspect of natal Saturn - VIOLENCE, especially when 4. and 5. are operating at same time.> > The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS of 2008 and their outcome are likely to be attended with more DRAMA than is usual for the USA. As earlier mentioned, there could also be significant problems in the FOREIGN POLICY area.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1329 - Release 3/14/2008 12:33 PM>Smart Player

 

 

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