Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject) further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from him,and finally this. On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus. Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the issue open for discussion at the group. Rup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Rup, Based on the Horoscope listed, he has saturn in Dhanu and Ketu in Meena, So his Dasa of Jupiter has to bring him sorrow, poverty, in touch with reality, spirituality and headlessness. I believe as long as Saturn is in leo, he will have a tough time. In rasi, Saturn is in 8th house from Moon, which will give him a long life but lot of broken carreer and marriage. He will have to start fresh everytime. Similarly, he has exalted moon and Guru in house of venus, so all Venus activities has given him happiness and peace. This is my take, I am sure Chandra will give a better answer. Regards Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya " <baqayarup wrote: > > Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. > Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject) > further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- > Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. > The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from > him,and finally this. > On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus. > Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which > according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. > With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the > issue open for discussion at the group. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Yes Sridhar this thing about Guru being spoilt on account of ketu and saturn being present in its two raashis did not strike me.This will definitely result in Guru giving bad results.Thank u for bringing this to my notice. Rupappulali <appulali wrote: Rup,Based on the Horoscope listed, he has saturn in Dhanu and Ketu in Meena, So his Dasa of Jupiter has to bring him sorrow, poverty, in touch with reality, spirituality and headlessness. I believe as long as Saturn is in leo, he will have a tough time. In rasi, Saturn is in 8th house from Moon, which will give him a long life but lot of broken carreer and marriage. He will have to start fresh everytime.Similarly, he has exalted moon and Guru in house of venus, so all Venus activities has given him happiness and peace. This is my take, I am sure Chandra will give a better answer.RegardsSridharVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Rup Krishen Baqaya" <baqayarup wrote:>> Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself.> Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject)> further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:-> Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra.> The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from > him,and finally this.> On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus.> Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which > according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th.> With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the > issue open for discussion at the group. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Rup, I gather from posts on another group that his time of birth is about 14.45 hr.s 29th July 1959 (you are right about that), at Mumbai. Moon is in exaltation and its aspect on Lagna forms a strong raj yoga according to Parashara. mars the Lagna lord going to the 10th bhava is indicative of one getting fame through one's own efforts ( 10this also called the Kirti sthana). As to his marital history note that the karaka for spouse Venus, who is also the 7th lord, is in papa Kartari and is Mandi and Gulikaadhipati indicating some slow degeneration in matter of spouse. that in navamsha we see that 7th lord Jupiter is also in Papa kartari yoga and Parashara tells us to look at navamsha for spouse. Here again Venus conjoins Mandi. Venus is at the end of Libra navamsha and so in navamsha too in Papakartari between Sun and Ketu. We also see that Moon aspecting the lagna makes him emotional and Moon being by its very nature changeable its being in the 7th could indicate that one changes associates, including the life partners. That it lacks pakshabala does not talk about a very stable personality, whatever be the outward appearance. Ketu, being Mokshakaraka, in the 5th, could indicate leaving children or children living away from one. In 5th Ketu also indicates sudden loss of temper and headless behaviour. Saturn and Mars aspecting the 4th and Moon the karaka for mother lacking pakshabala does indicate that one may not have Matri sukha. He has a classic Bandhan yoga caused by Saturn in the 2nd and Jupiter in the 12th, and if you look at the date of his first arrest around 19th April 1993, he was running Rahu (Akin to Saturn) - Venus (12th lord) - Saturn, whereas his second arrest was in Jupiter dasha and the order of Dashas was Jupiter-Venus- Saturn. In the first incident we see that natal Saturn was aspecting the transit Saturn which was trining Jupiter in the 12th whereas in the second incidence we observe that Transit Saturn aspects the Jupiter in the 12th and trines natal Saturn. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject) further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from him,and finally this. On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus. Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar Sir, Where are ur's contact nos. this time i wont leave a chance for any sort of disconnection. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Rup, > > I gather from posts on another group that his time of birth is about > 14.45 hr.s 29th July 1959 (you are right about that), at Mumbai. > > Moon is in exaltation and its aspect on Lagna forms a strong raj yoga > according to Parashara. mars the Lagna lord going to the 10th bhava is > indicative of one getting fame through one's own efforts ( 10this also > called the Kirti sthana). > > As to his marital history note that the karaka for spouse Venus, who is > also the 7th lord, is in papa Kartari and is Mandi and Gulikaadhipati > indicating some slow degeneration in matter of spouse. that in navamsha > we see that 7th lord Jupiter is also in Papa kartari yoga and Parashara > tells us to look at navamsha for spouse. Here again Venus conjoins > Mandi. Venus is at the end of Libra navamsha and so in navamsha too in > Papakartari between Sun and Ketu. We also see that Moon aspecting the > lagna makes him emotional and Moon being by its very nature changeable > its being in the 7th could indicate that one changes associates, > including the life partners. That it lacks pakshabala does not talk > about a very stable personality, whatever be the outward appearance. > > Ketu, being Mokshakaraka, in the 5th, could indicate leaving children or > children living away from one. In 5th Ketu also indicates sudden loss of > temper and headless behaviour. > > Saturn and Mars aspecting the 4th and Moon the karaka for mother lacking > pakshabala does indicate that one may not have Matri sukha. > > He has a classic Bandhan yoga caused by Saturn in the 2nd and Jupiter in > the 12th, and if you look at the date of his first arrest around 19th > April 1993, he was running Rahu (Akin to Saturn) - Venus (12th lord) - > Saturn, whereas his second arrest was in Jupiter dasha and the order of > Dashas was Jupiter-Venus- Saturn. In the first incident we see that > natal Saturn was aspecting the transit Saturn which was trining Jupiter > in the 12th whereas in the second incidence we observe that Transit > Saturn aspects the Jupiter in the 12th and trines natal Saturn. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: > > > > Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas > > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to > > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i > > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as > > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the > > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i > > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not > > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two > > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few > > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i > > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. > > Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my > > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV > > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the > > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star > > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for > > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 > > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up > > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in > > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject) > > further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given > > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- > > Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in > > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in > > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the > > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. > > The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has > > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter > > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of > > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had > > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in > > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his > > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug > > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage > > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from > > him,and finally this. > > On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the > > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My > > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the > > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me > > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me > > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM > > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees > > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus. > > Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in > > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed > > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets > > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe > > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some > > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be > > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some > > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he > > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which > > according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And > > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely > > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong > > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a > > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha > > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However > > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a > > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun > > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the > > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga > > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes > > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not > > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout > > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the > > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon > > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is > > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the > > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes > > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs > > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter > > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from > > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the > > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the > > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both > > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have > > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period > > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't > > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been > > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and > > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. > > With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the > > issue open for discussion at the group. Rup > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Hello Chandra/Sridhar, The three of us have looked at Sanjay's horoscope and the only thing we have been able to say about the fame obtained by him is that lord of lagna is in the tenth,that is all,nothing more.Now the chances of the lord of lagna being in the tenth are one in twelve.As against that the fame which Sanjay got was one in a crore(ten million).Now,what do u think this means.Does it mean that astrology gives only indications,that is the different possiblities in a horoscope.Would i be correct in saying that whatever blossoms out of these possiblities depnds on one's karma.Like Acharya Rajneesh has in his discourses on astrology said that the amount of marks one gets in an exam is much more related to the hard work put in by the native rather than the stars.It is another matter if the stars were very bad the native may not be able to pass the exam inspite of hardwork because the bus in which he is travelling while going to the exam hall may get involved in an accident and he may not be able to reach the exam hall in time. Would it thus be correct to say that astrology cannot tell the proportion in which things will happen.Means it can indicate fame but not the extent of fame etc In Sanjay's horoscope all things that have happened are indicated but to a much lesser extent than they have happened,whether marraige or imprisonment or even other things.Obvioulsy the extent of happenings thus may relate to karma.Would it be then correct to say that astrology is more or less irrelevant and one should keep on doing one's karma without being bothered about the result,as mentioned in Gita.Regards Rup--- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Rup, > > I gather from posts on another group that his time of birth is about > 14.45 hr.s 29th July 1959 (you are right about that), at Mumbai. > > Moon is in exaltation and its aspect on Lagna forms a strong raj yoga > according to Parashara. mars the Lagna lord going to the 10th bhava is > indicative of one getting fame through one's own efforts ( 10this also > called the Kirti sthana). > > As to his marital history note that the karaka for spouse Venus, who is > also the 7th lord, is in papa Kartari and is Mandi and Gulikaadhipati > indicating some slow degeneration in matter of spouse. that in navamsha > we see that 7th lord Jupiter is also in Papa kartari yoga and Parashara > tells us to look at navamsha for spouse. Here again Venus conjoins > Mandi. Venus is at the end of Libra navamsha and so in navamsha too in > Papakartari between Sun and Ketu. We also see that Moon aspecting the > lagna makes him emotional and Moon being by its very nature changeable > its being in the 7th could indicate that one changes associates, > including the life partners. That it lacks pakshabala does not talk > about a very stable personality, whatever be the outward appearance. > > Ketu, being Mokshakaraka, in the 5th, could indicate leaving children or > children living away from one. In 5th Ketu also indicates sudden loss of > temper and headless behaviour. > > Saturn and Mars aspecting the 4th and Moon the karaka for mother lacking > pakshabala does indicate that one may not have Matri sukha. > > He has a classic Bandhan yoga caused by Saturn in the 2nd and Jupiter in > the 12th, and if you look at the date of his first arrest around 19th > April 1993, he was running Rahu (Akin to Saturn) - Venus (12th lord) - > Saturn, whereas his second arrest was in Jupiter dasha and the order of > Dashas was Jupiter-Venus- Saturn. In the first incident we see that > natal Saturn was aspecting the transit Saturn which was trining Jupiter > in the 12th whereas in the second incidence we observe that Transit > Saturn aspects the Jupiter in the 12th and trines natal Saturn. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: > > > > Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas > > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to > > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i > > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as > > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the > > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i > > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not > > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two > > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few > > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i > > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. > > Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my > > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV > > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the > > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star > > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for > > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 > > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up > > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in > > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject) > > further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given > > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- > > Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in > > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in > > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the > > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. > > The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has > > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter > > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of > > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had > > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in > > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his > > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug > > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage > > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from > > him,and finally this. > > On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the > > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My > > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the > > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me > > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me > > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM > > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees > > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus. > > Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in > > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed > > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets > > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe > > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some > > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be > > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some > > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he > > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which > > according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And > > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely > > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong > > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a > > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha > > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However > > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a > > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun > > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the > > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga > > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes > > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not > > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout > > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the > > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon > > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is > > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the > > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes > > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs > > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter > > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from > > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the > > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the > > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both > > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have > > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period > > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't > > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been > > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and > > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. > > With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the > > issue open for discussion at the group. Rup > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Lalit, It is +91-9373122248 (cell)and +91- 0712-2237445 (O)(land line) Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar Sir, Where are ur's contact nos. this time i wont leave a chance for any sort of disconnection. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Rup, > > I gather from posts on another group that his time of birth is about > 14.45 hr.s 29th July 1959 (you are right about that), at Mumbai. > > Moon is in exaltation and its aspect on Lagna forms a strong raj yoga > according to Parashara. mars the Lagna lord going to the 10th bhava is > indicative of one getting fame through one's own efforts ( 10this also > called the Kirti sthana). > > As to his marital history note that the karaka for spouse Venus, who is > also the 7th lord, is in papa Kartari and is Mandi and Gulikaadhipati > indicating some slow degeneration in matter of spouse. that in navamsha > we see that 7th lord Jupiter is also in Papa kartari yoga and Parashara > tells us to look at navamsha for spouse. Here again Venus conjoins > Mandi. Venus is at the end of Libra navamsha and so in navamsha too in > Papakartari between Sun and Ketu. We also see that Moon aspecting the > lagna makes him emotional and Moon being by its very nature changeable > its being in the 7th could indicate that one changes associates, > including the life partners. That it lacks pakshabala does not talk > about a very stable personality, whatever be the outward appearance. > > Ketu, being Mokshakaraka, in the 5th, could indicate leaving children or > children living away from one. In 5th Ketu also indicates sudden loss of > temper and headless behaviour. > > Saturn and Mars aspecting the 4th and Moon the karaka for mother lacking > pakshabala does indicate that one may not have Matri sukha. > > He has a classic Bandhan yoga caused by Saturn in the 2nd and Jupiter in > the 12th, and if you look at the date of his first arrest around 19th > April 1993, he was running Rahu (Akin to Saturn) - Venus (12th lord) - > Saturn, whereas his second arrest was in Jupiter dasha and the order of > Dashas was Jupiter-Venus- Saturn. In the first incident we see that > natal Saturn was aspecting the transit Saturn which was trining Jupiter > in the 12th whereas in the second incidence we observe that Transit > Saturn aspects the Jupiter in the 12th and trines natal Saturn. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: > > > > Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas > > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to > > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i > > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as > > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the > > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i > > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not > > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two > > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few > > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i > > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. > > Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my > > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV > > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the > > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star > > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for > > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 > > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up > > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in > > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject) > > further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given > > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- > > Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in > > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in > > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the > > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. > > The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has > > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter > > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of > > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had > > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in > > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his > > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug > > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage > > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from > > him,and finally this. > > On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the > > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My > > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the > > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me > > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me > > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM > > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees > > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus. > > Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in > > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed > > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets > > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe > > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some > > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be > > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some > > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he > > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which > > according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And > > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely > > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong > > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a > > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha > > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However > > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a > > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun > > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the > > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga > > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes > > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not > > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout > > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the > > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon > > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is > > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the > > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes > > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs > > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter > > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from > > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the > > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the > > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both > > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have > > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period > > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't > > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been > > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and > > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. > > With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the > > issue open for discussion at the group. Rup > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Rup, As I said it is not only the lagna lord in the 10th but the dispositor of 10th bhava being in exaltation and aspecting the lagna, that has given him the fame. Again as you had rightly pointed out in an earlier mail, the Lagna lord is Mars who has digbala in the 10th. add to this the fact that Sun the 10th lord is just short of full digbala, in the 9th. And the fact that there is a triple exchange between the 10th, 9th and the 7th lords i.e. the10th lord goes to the 9th, the 9th lord to the 7th and the 7th lord goes to the 10th bhava. So quite some strength in the chart there. We also have to note that mars is in debility in navamsha and so gives results of a debilitated Mars, who becoming the 6th lord causes raj yoga by aspecting the Lagna from the 10th (VRY in Uttara Kalamrit, if memory serves me right). The way debilitated planets play their role is amplified in this chart as Sun also is debilitated in navamsha and that is why despite of occupying the 9th bhava his father not only lived long, he supported Sanjay through his trying times. I did not comment on all this as it would have meant a too long mail. One also has to consider the fact that there is a starting point for an individual, and as Sanjay was progeny of already well known and successful parents he did not need as strong a yoga to get fame as would have somebody who was not born to famous parents. That is why the sages tell us to look at Desh, Kala and patra and then apply our Viveka (sense of proportion). This principle of different situations at the time of birth requiring different strength of yogas to achieve the same goal, is demonstrated in the astrological texts in the Raj yogas , where there are three types of yogas that makes one a king. One type talks when the son of a King becomes king, another talks about a normal person becoming a King and the third talks about even a pauper becoming a king. So the yogas have to be stronger if one is born in a disadvantageous circumstance compared to the case of one who is born in more advantageous circumstances. Astrology has never denied the role of hard work, but it also recognizes the fact that the horses who are born at certain times need to work hard all their life pulling carts and getting hit by their masters day in and day out and then there are other horses who have to run only a few days in a year and for whom the master goes out in the cold night to see that they are covered in blanket and that their stalls are shipshape. Astrology believes that this is due to two factors one being the time they are born and two, the parents to whom they are born. So the analogy of Aacharya Rajneesh, though not incorrect may not exactly be right as it does not take into account the fact that many hard working students may not get to enter the examination hall at all. Of course this is my personal opinion and others may disagree with it, in the light of their own interpretation of real life events. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: Hello Chandra/Sridhar, The three of us have looked at Sanjay's horoscope and the only thing we have been able to say about the fame obtained by him is that lord of lagna is in the tenth,that is all,nothing more.Now the chances of the lord of lagna being in the tenth are one in twelve.As against that the fame which Sanjay got was one in a crore(ten million).Now,what do u think this means.Does it mean that astrology gives only indications,that is the different possiblities in a horoscope.Would i be correct in saying that whatever blossoms out of these possiblities depnds on one's karma.Like Acharya Rajneesh has in his discourses on astrology said that the amount of marks one gets in an exam is much more related to the hard work put in by the native rather than the stars.It is another matter if the stars were very bad the native may not be able to pass the exam inspite of hardwork because the bus in which he is travelling while going to the exam hall may get involved in an accident and he may not be able to reach the exam hall in time. Would it thus be correct to say that astrology cannot tell the proportion in which things will happen.Means it can indicate fame but not the extent of fame etc In Sanjay's horoscope all things that have happened are indicated but to a much lesser extent than they have happened,whether marraige or imprisonment or even other things.Obvioulsy the extent of happenings thus may relate to karma.Would it be then correct to say that astrology is more or less irrelevant and one should keep on doing one's karma without being bothered about the result,as mentioned in Gita.Regards Rup Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Rup, > > I gather from posts on another group that his time of birth is about > 14.45 hr.s 29th July 1959 (you are right about that), at Mumbai. > > Moon is in exaltation and its aspect on Lagna forms a strong raj yoga > according to Parashara. mars the Lagna lord going to the 10th bhava is > indicative of one getting fame through one's own efforts ( 10this also > called the Kirti sthana). > > As to his marital history note that the karaka for spouse Venus, who is > also the 7th lord, is in papa Kartari and is Mandi and Gulikaadhipati > indicating some slow degeneration in matter of spouse. that in navamsha > we see that 7th lord Jupiter is also in Papa kartari yoga and Parashara > tells us to look at navamsha for spouse. Here again Venus conjoins > Mandi. Venus is at the end of Libra navamsha and so in navamsha too in > Papakartari between Sun and Ketu. We also see that Moon aspecting the > lagna makes him emotional and Moon being by its very nature changeable > its being in the 7th could indicate that one changes associates, > including the life partners. That it lacks pakshabala does not talk > about a very stable personality, whatever be the outward appearance. > > Ketu, being Mokshakaraka, in the 5th, could indicate leaving children or > children living away from one. In 5th Ketu also indicates sudden loss of > temper and headless behaviour. > > Saturn and Mars aspecting the 4th and Moon the karaka for mother lacking > pakshabala does indicate that one may not have Matri sukha. > > He has a classic Bandhan yoga caused by Saturn in the 2nd and Jupiter in > the 12th, and if you look at the date of his first arrest around 19th > April 1993, he was running Rahu (Akin to Saturn) - Venus (12th lord) - > Saturn, whereas his second arrest was in Jupiter dasha and the order of > Dashas was Jupiter-Venus- Saturn. In the first incident we see that > natal Saturn was aspecting the transit Saturn which was trining Jupiter > in the 12th whereas in the second incidence we observe that Transit > Saturn aspects the Jupiter in the 12th and trines natal Saturn. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: > > > > Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas > > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to > > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i > > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as > > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the > > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i > > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not > > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two > > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few > > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i > > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. > > Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my > > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV > > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the > > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star > > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for > > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 > > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up > > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in > > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject) > > further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given > > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- > > Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in > > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in > > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the > > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. > > The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has > > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter > > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of > > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had > > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in > > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his > > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug > > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage > > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from > > him,and finally this. > > On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the > > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My > > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the > > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me > > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me > > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM > > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees > > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus. > > Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in > > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed > > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets > > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe > > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some > > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be > > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some > > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he > > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which > > according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And > > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely > > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong > > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a > > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha > > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However > > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a > > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun > > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the > > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga > > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes > > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not > > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout > > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the > > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon > > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is > > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the > > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes > > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs > > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter > > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from > > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the > > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the > > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both > > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have > > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period > > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't > > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been > > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and > > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. > > With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the > > issue open for discussion at the group. Rup > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Hello Chandra, I did not understand about dispositor of tenth bhava being exalted and aspecting the lagna.Probbably u mean the owner of 9th bhava being exalted and aspecting the lagna.Isn't it so?Also i honestly feel that to say things like Sun being short of Digbala is an attaempt only to justify things.For many times u see books saying or even top astrologers mentioning that Sun is bad in the 9th.It is of course true that he was born in an important family and so Kala, patra and desha is important.However,i just raised the issue for i honestly felt that the horoscope here is not truly representative.In fact i have felt so in the case of Amitabh Bhachan and many other top civil servants too,just to quote a few examples only.Moreover i feel that astrologers (including me) cannot make predictions in such matters,but just only do post mortems.Regards RupChandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Rup,As I said it is not only the lagna lord in the 10th but the dispositor of 10th bhava being in exaltation and aspecting the lagna, that has given him the fame. Again as you had rightly pointed out in an earlier mail, the Lagna lord is Mars who has digbala in the 10th. add to this the fact that Sun the 10th lord is just short of full digbala, in the 9th. And the fact that there is a triple exchange between the 10th, 9th and the 7th lords i.e. the10th lord goes to the 9th, the 9th lord to the 7th and the 7th lord goes to the 10th bhava. So quite some strength in the chart there. We also have to note that mars is in debility in navamsha and so gives results of a debilitated Mars, who becoming the 6th lord causes raj yoga by aspecting the Lagna from the 10th (VRY in Uttara Kalamrit, if memory serves me right). The way debilitated planets play their role is amplified in this chart as Sun also is debilitated in navamsha and that is why despite of occupying the 9th bhava his father not only lived long, he supported Sanjay through his trying times. I did not comment on all this as it would have meant a too long mail.One also has to consider the fact that there is a starting point for an individual, and as Sanjay was progeny of already well known and successful parents he did not need as strong a yoga to get fame as would have somebody who was not born to famous parents. That is why the sages tell us to look at Desh, Kala and patra and then apply our Viveka (sense of proportion). This principle of different situations at the time of birth requiring different strength of yogas to achieve the same goal, is demonstrated in the astrological texts in the Raj yogas , where there are three types of yogas that makes one a king. One type talks when the son of a King becomes king, another talks about a normal person becoming a King and the third talks about even a pauper becoming a king. So the yogas have to be stronger if one is born in a disadvantageous circumstance compared to the case of one who is born in more advantageous circumstances.Astrology has never denied the role of hard work, but it also recognizes the fact that the horses who are born at certain times need to work hard all their life pulling carts and getting hit by their masters day in and day out and then there are other horses who have to run only a few days in a year and for whom the master goes out in the cold night to see that they are covered in blanket and that their stalls are shipshape. Astrology believes that this is due to two factors one being the time they are born and two, the parents to whom they are born.So the analogy of Aacharya Rajneesh, though not incorrect may not exactly be right as it does not take into account the fact that many hard working students may not get to enter the examination hall at all.Of course this is my personal opinion and others may disagree with it, in the light of their own interpretation of real life events.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: Hello Chandra/Sridhar, The three of us have looked at Sanjay's horoscope and the only thing we have been able to say about the fame obtained by him is that lord of lagna is in the tenth,that is all,nothing more.Now the chances of the lord of lagna being in the tenth are one in twelve.As against that the fame which Sanjay got was one in a crore(ten million).Now,what do u think this means.Does it mean that astrology gives only indications,that is the different possiblities in a horoscope.Would i be correct in saying that whatever blossoms out of these possiblities depnds on one's karma.Like Acharya Rajneesh has in his discourses on astrology said that the amount of marks one gets in an exam is much more related to the hard work put in by the native rather than the stars.It is another matter if the stars were very bad the native may not be able to pass the exam inspite of hardwork because the bus in which he is travelling while going to the exam hall may get involved in an accident and he may not be able to reach the exam hall in time.Would it thus be correct to say that astrology cannot tell the proportion in which things will happen.Means it can indicate fame but not the extent of fame etcIn Sanjay's horoscope all things that have happened are indicated but to a much lesser extent than they have happened,whether marraige or imprisonment or even other things.Obvioulsy the extent of happenings thus may relate to karma.Would it be then correct to say that astrology is more or less irrelevant and one should keep on doing one's karma without being bothered about the result,as mentioned in Gita.Regards RupVedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Rup,> > I gather from posts on another group that his time of birth is about > 14.45 hr.s 29th July 1959 (you are right about that), at Mumbai.> > Moon is in exaltation and its aspect on Lagna forms a strong raj yoga > according to Parashara. mars the Lagna lord going to the 10th bhava is > indicative of one getting fame through one's own efforts ( 10this also > called the Kirti sthana).> > As to his marital history note that the karaka for spouse Venus, who is > also the 7th lord, is in papa Kartari and is Mandi and Gulikaadhipati > indicating some slow degeneration in matter of spouse. that in navamsha > we see that 7th lord Jupiter is also in Papa kartari yoga and Parashara > tells us to look at navamsha for spouse. Here again Venus conjoins > Mandi. Venus is at the end of Libra navamsha and so in navamsha too in > Papakartari between Sun and Ketu. We also see that Moon aspecting the > lagna makes him emotional and Moon being by its very nature changeable > its being in the 7th could indicate that one changes associates, > including the life partners. That it lacks pakshabala does not talk > about a very stable personality, whatever be the outward appearance.> > Ketu, being Mokshakaraka, in the 5th, could indicate leaving children or > children living away from one. In 5th Ketu also indicates sudden loss of > temper and headless behaviour.> > Saturn and Mars aspecting the 4th and Moon the karaka for mother lacking > pakshabala does indicate that one may not have Matri sukha.> > He has a classic Bandhan yoga caused by Saturn in the 2nd and Jupiter in > the 12th, and if you look at the date of his first arrest around 19th > April 1993, he was running Rahu (Akin to Saturn) - Venus (12th lord) - > Saturn, whereas his second arrest was in Jupiter dasha and the order of > Dashas was Jupiter-Venus- Saturn. In the first incident we see that > natal Saturn was aspecting the transit Saturn which was trining Jupiter > in the 12th whereas in the second incidence we observe that Transit > Saturn aspects the Jupiter in the 12th and trines natal Saturn.> > Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > > Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote:> >> > Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas> > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to> > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i> > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as> > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the> > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i> > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not> > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two> > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few> > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i> > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself.> > Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my> > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV> > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the> > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star> > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for> > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14> > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up> > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in> > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject)> > further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given> > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:-> > Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in> > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in> > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the> > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra.> > The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has> > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter> > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of> > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had> > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in> > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his> > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug> > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage> > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from> > him,and finally this.> > On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the> > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My> > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the> > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me> > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me> > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM> > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees> > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus.> > Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in> > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of> > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of> > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed> > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets> > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe> > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some> > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be> > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some> > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he> > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which> > according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And> > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely> > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong> > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a> > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha> > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However> > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a> > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun> > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the> > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga> > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes> > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not> > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout> > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the> > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon> > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is> > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the> > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes> > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs> > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter> > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from> > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the> > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the> > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both> > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have> > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period> > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't> > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been> > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and> > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th.> > With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the> > issue open for discussion at the group. 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Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 In continuation of the below i am writing the results of Mars in the 10th in Leo and Moon in taurus in the seventh as given in two great ancient vedic astrology classics:- 1.Bhrighu says about Mars in leo in the tenth that the native will get success in his profession,honour etc as also good relations with father with some difficulty.He wins over his enemies.On account of Mars aspecting his own sign in lagna the body will be strong.On account of seventh aspect of mars on the fourth bhava which is an inimical sign for it,there will be shortcomings in relation to mother and immovable property.The eight aspect on the fifth house being a friendly aspect,there will be success in education and matters relating to children. About Moon in Taurus in the Seventh Bhrighu says that the native will get a beautiful and lucky wife.The native is mentally strong.He is lucky and gets fame.The body may have some weakness on account of moon's aspect on lagna which is its sign of debilitation. 2.About Mars in the 10th in Leo Saravali says that the native will be of medium stature,will sometimes lose and sometimes gain,will contract bloody/cardiac diseases and will not make much progress in education.His Mars dasha however will confer abundant prosperity. As for Moon in taurus in the seventh,Saravali says that the native will have a beautiful and chaste wife,will get property from women,political fame and wisdom.If however moon is weak in Paksha bala the marriage will be a pipedream. Group members can draw their own conclusions from the above,as to what could have been predicted and what not. About the dasha Jupiter/Venus the thought came to me that Jupiter is placed in the 12th and venus is 12th lord,so imprisonment is possible in this dasha for both planets are involved with the 12th house relating to imprisonment.However the thought also came to mind that i know hundreds(including my own self)who have passed through these dashas of planet in the 12th and 12th lord but none of them were imprisoned. All these thoughts led my mind to the often repeated criticisms of astrology made by ppl who are very learned in other fields.These are:- 1.Astrologers can rarely predict major events in advance.They are only good at justifying events or post mortem. 2.Astrology can tell us nothing definite.It tells us only possiblities which one can easily mould by one's karma. Thus it seems astrology cannot predict the destiny of an individual. This is not the first time that i am mulling over these things in my mind.Have discussed these issues with various learned men at different times.One of the conclusions drawn was that astrology can definitely be helpful in health matters if nothing else.For if one knows in advance what disease one is vulnerable to,in many cases the onset of the disease can be delayed by proper precautions and other health measures.There can be other similar situations too probably where astrology could be helpful.May be the group can discuss these issues in detail.It is for this reason that i have started this discussion in probably my last post at the group before i leave for Europe for a fortnight.Regards to Chandra,Lalit and everyone else Rup Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup Baqaya <baqayarup wrote: > > Hello Chandra, I did not understand about dispositor of tenth bhava being exalted and aspecting the lagna.Probbably u mean the owner of 9th bhava being exalted and aspecting the lagna.Isn't it so?Also i honestly feel that to say things like Sun being short of Digbala is an attaempt only to justify things.For many times u see books saying or even top astrologers mentioning that Sun is bad in the 9th.It is of course true that he was born in an important family and so Kala, patra and desha is important.However,i just raised the issue for i honestly felt that the horoscope here is not truly representative.In fact i have felt so in the case of Amitabh Bhachan and many other top civil servants too,just to quote a few examples only.Moreover i feel that astrologers (including me) cannot make predictions in such matters,but just only do post mortems.Regards Rup > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Rup, > > As I said it is not only the lagna lord in the 10th but the dispositor of 10th bhava being in exaltation and aspecting the lagna, that has given him the fame. Again as you had rightly pointed out in an earlier mail, the Lagna lord is Mars who has digbala in the 10th. add to this the fact that Sun the 10th lord is just short of full digbala, in the 9th. And the fact that there is a triple exchange between the 10th, 9th and the 7th lords i.e. the10th lord goes to the 9th, the 9th lord to the 7th and the 7th lord goes to the 10th bhava. So quite some strength in the chart there. We also have to note that mars is in debility in navamsha and so gives results of a debilitated Mars, who becoming the 6th lord causes raj yoga by aspecting the Lagna from the 10th (VRY in Uttara Kalamrit, if memory serves me right). The way debilitated planets play their role is amplified in this chart as Sun also is debilitated in navamsha and that is why despite of occupying the 9th bhava his father > not only lived long, he supported Sanjay through his trying times. I did not comment on all this as it would have meant a too long mail. > > One also has to consider the fact that there is a starting point for an individual, and as Sanjay was progeny of already well known and successful parents he did not need as strong a yoga to get fame as would have somebody who was not born to famous parents. That is why the sages tell us to look at Desh, Kala and patra and then apply our Viveka (sense of proportion). > > This principle of different situations at the time of birth requiring different strength of yogas to achieve the same goal, is demonstrated in the astrological texts in the Raj yogas , where there are three types of yogas that makes one a king. One type talks when the son of a King becomes king, another talks about a normal person becoming a King and the third talks about even a pauper becoming a king. So the yogas have to be stronger if one is born in a disadvantageous circumstance compared to the case of one who is born in more advantageous circumstances. > > Astrology has never denied the role of hard work, but it also recognizes the fact that the horses who are born at certain times need to work hard all their life pulling carts and getting hit by their masters day in and day out and then there are other horses who have to run only a few days in a year and for whom the master goes out in the cold night to see that they are covered in blanket and that their stalls are shipshape. Astrology believes that this is due to two factors one being the time they are born and two, the parents to whom they are born. > > So the analogy of Aacharya Rajneesh, though not incorrect may not exactly be right as it does not take into account the fact that many hard working students may not get to enter the examination hall at all. > > Of course this is my personal opinion and others may disagree with it, in the light of their own interpretation of real life events. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: Hello Chandra/Sridhar, The three of us have looked at Sanjay's > horoscope and the only thing we have been able to say about the fame > obtained by him is that lord of lagna is in the tenth,that is > all,nothing more.Now the chances of the lord of lagna being in the > tenth are one in twelve.As against that the fame which Sanjay got was > one in a crore(ten million).Now,what do u think this means.Does it > mean that astrology gives only indications,that is the different > possiblities in a horoscope.Would i be correct in saying that > whatever blossoms out of these possiblities depnds on one's > karma.Like Acharya Rajneesh has in his discourses on astrology said > that the amount of marks one gets in an exam is much more related to > the hard work put in by the native rather than the stars.It is > another matter if the stars were very bad the native may not be able > to pass the exam inspite of hardwork because the bus in which he is > travelling while going to the exam hall may get involved in an > accident and he may not be able to reach the exam hall in time. > Would it thus be correct to say that astrology cannot tell the > proportion in which things will happen.Means it can indicate fame but > not the extent of fame etc > In Sanjay's horoscope all things that have happened are indicated > but to a much lesser extent than they have happened,whether marraige > or imprisonment or even other things.Obvioulsy the extent of > happenings thus may relate to karma.Would it be then correct to say > that astrology is more or less irrelevant and one should keep on > doing one's karma without being bothered about the result,as > mentioned in Gita.Regards Rup--- In > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rup, > > > > I gather from posts on another group that his time of birth is > about > > 14.45 hr.s 29th July 1959 (you are right about that), at Mumbai. > > > > Moon is in exaltation and its aspect on Lagna forms a strong raj > yoga > > according to Parashara. mars the Lagna lord going to the 10th bhava > is > > indicative of one getting fame through one's own efforts ( 10this > also > > called the Kirti sthana). > > > > As to his marital history note that the karaka for spouse Venus, > who is > > also the 7th lord, is in papa Kartari and is Mandi and > Gulikaadhipati > > indicating some slow degeneration in matter of spouse. that in > navamsha > > we see that 7th lord Jupiter is also in Papa kartari yoga and > Parashara > > tells us to look at navamsha for spouse. Here again Venus conjoins > > Mandi. Venus is at the end of Libra navamsha and so in navamsha too > in > > Papakartari between Sun and Ketu. We also see that Moon aspecting > the > > lagna makes him emotional and Moon being by its very nature > changeable > > its being in the 7th could indicate that one changes associates, > > including the life partners. That it lacks pakshabala does not talk > > about a very stable personality, whatever be the outward appearance. > > > > Ketu, being Mokshakaraka, in the 5th, could indicate leaving > children or > > children living away from one. In 5th Ketu also indicates sudden > loss of > > temper and headless behaviour. > > > > Saturn and Mars aspecting the 4th and Moon the karaka for mother > lacking > > pakshabala does indicate that one may not have Matri sukha. > > > > He has a classic Bandhan yoga caused by Saturn in the 2nd and > Jupiter in > > the 12th, and if you look at the date of his first arrest around > 19th > > April 1993, he was running Rahu (Akin to Saturn) - Venus (12th > lord) - > > Saturn, whereas his second arrest was in Jupiter dasha and the > order of > > Dashas was Jupiter-Venus- Saturn. In the first incident we see that > > natal Saturn was aspecting the transit Saturn which was trining > Jupiter > > in the 12th whereas in the second incidence we observe that Transit > > Saturn aspects the Jupiter in the 12th and trines natal Saturn. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas > > > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 > days) to > > > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining > why i > > > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as > > > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in > the > > > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail) i > > > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not > > > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two > > > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group > few > > > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now > i > > > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. > > > Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my > > > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV > > > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For > the > > > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film > star > > > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for > > > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged > into 14 > > > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked > up > > > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in > > > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the > subject) > > > further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as > given > > > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- > > > Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in > > > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury > in > > > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the > > > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. > > > The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has > > > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of > Jupiter > > > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of > > > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had > > > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the > horoscope in > > > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his > > > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a > drug > > > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no > marriage > > > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away > from > > > him,and finally this. > > > On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the > > > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My > > > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the > > > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines) told > me > > > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th > told me > > > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about > 3PM > > > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 > degrees > > > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as > Jupiter/Venus. > > > Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading > in > > > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of > > > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of > > > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is > placed > > > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother > gets > > > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i > believe > > > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some > > > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be > > > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some > > > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so > then he > > > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which > > > according to the discussion above could lead to death of > mother.And > > > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely > > > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong > > > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become > a > > > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu > dasha > > > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However > > > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as > a > > > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but > Sun > > > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the > > > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in > Garga > > > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes > > > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly > not > > > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa > bout > > > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the > > > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon > > > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is > > > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the > > > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes > > > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what > ahs > > > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord > Jupiter > > > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from > > > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the > > > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the > > > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic > both > > > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not > have > > > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main > period > > > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't > > > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been > > > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and > > > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. > > > With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the > > > issue open for discussion at the group. Rup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Dear Rup, No, it is the dispositor of 10th lord Sun, who is Moon that is in exaltation in the chart. I did not say that Sun is short of digbala, but "Just" short of (full) digbala. It is about 86% digbala. Sun, in the 9th, is no doubt not good but here the Sun is debilitated in the navamsha chart and as such shall give results of debility in Navamsha. Celebrity charts are subject to postmortem only, most of the time, as one rarely gets to analyze them before they become one. Same with top civil servants. Of course there are some that one does analyze before that person becomes a celebrity, but the instances are few and far between. That is the nature of celebrity charts. If we remember that Amitabh's father was a celebrity in his own right, the logic of Desha Kala patra becomes clear to see. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Rup Baqaya wrote: Hello Chandra, I did not understand about dispositor of tenth bhava being exalted and aspecting the lagna.Probbably u mean the owner of 9th bhava being exalted and aspecting the lagna.Isn't it so?Also i honestly feel that to say things like Sun being short of Digbala is an attaempt only to justify things.For many times u see books saying or even top astrologers mentioning that Sun is bad in the 9th.It is of course true that he was born in an important family and so Kala, patra and desha is important.However,i just raised the issue for i honestly felt that the horoscope here is not truly representative.In fact i have felt so in the case of Amitabh Bhachan and many other top civil servants too,just to quote a few examples only.Moreover i feel that astrologers (including me) cannot make predictions in such matters,but just only do post mortems.Regards Rup Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Rup, As I said it is not only the lagna lord in the 10th but the dispositor of 10th bhava being in exaltation and aspecting the lagna, that has given him the fame. Again as you had rightly pointed out in an earlier mail, the Lagna lord is Mars who has digbala in the 10th. add to this the fact that Sun the 10th lord is just short of full digbala, in the 9th. And the fact that there is a triple exchange between the 10th, 9th and the 7th lords i.e. the10th lord goes to the 9th, the 9th lord to the 7th and the 7th lord goes to the 10th bhava. So quite some strength in the chart there. We also have to note that mars is in debility in navamsha and so gives results of a debilitated Mars, who becoming the 6th lord causes raj yoga by aspecting the Lagna from the 10th (VRY in Uttara Kalamrit, if memory serves me right). The way debilitated planets play their role is amplified in this chart as Sun also is debilitated in navamsha and that is why despite of occupying the 9th bhava his father not only lived long, he supported Sanjay through his trying times. I did not comment on all this as it would have meant a too long mail. One also has to consider the fact that there is a starting point for an individual, and as Sanjay was progeny of already well known and successful parents he did not need as strong a yoga to get fame as would have somebody who was not born to famous parents. That is why the sages tell us to look at Desh, Kala and patra and then apply our Viveka (sense of proportion). This principle of different situations at the time of birth requiring different strength of yogas to achieve the same goal, is demonstrated in the astrological texts in the Raj yogas , where there are three types of yogas that makes one a king. One type talks when the son of a King becomes king, another talks about a normal person becoming a King and the third talks about even a pauper becoming a king. So the yogas have to be stronger if one is born in a disadvantageous circumstance compared to the case of one who is born in more advantageous circumstances. Astrology has never denied the role of hard work, but it also recognizes the fact that the horses who are born at certain times need to work hard all their life pulling carts and getting hit by their masters day in and day out and then there are other horses who have to run only a few days in a year and for whom the master goes out in the cold night to see that they are covered in blanket and that their stalls are shipshape. Astrology believes that this is due to two factors one being the time they are born and two, the parents to whom they are born. So the analogy of Aacharya Rajneesh, though not incorrect may not exactly be right as it does not take into account the fact that many hard working students may not get to enter the examination hall at all. Of course this is my personal opinion and others may disagree with it, in the light of their own interpretation of real life events. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: Hello Chandra/Sridhar, The three of us have looked at Sanjay's horoscope and the only thing we have been able to say about the fame obtained by him is that lord of lagna is in the tenth,that is all,nothing more.Now the chances of the lord of lagna being in the tenth are one in twelve.As against that the fame which Sanjay got was one in a crore(ten million).Now,what do u think this means.Does it mean that astrology gives only indications,that is the different possiblities in a horoscope.Would i be correct in saying that whatever blossoms out of these possiblities depnds on one's karma.Like Acharya Rajneesh has in his discourses on astrology said that the amount of marks one gets in an exam is much more related to the hard work put in by the native rather than the stars.It is another matter if the stars were very bad the native may not be able to pass the exam inspite of hardwork because the bus in which he is travelling while going to the exam hall may get involved in an accident and he may not be able to reach the exam hall in time. Would it thus be correct to say that astrology cannot tell the proportion in which things will happen.Means it can indicate fame but not the extent of fame etc In Sanjay's horoscope all things that have happened are indicated but to a much lesser extent than they have happened,whether marraige or imprisonment or even other things.Obvioulsy the extent of happenings thus may relate to karma.Would it be then correct to say that astrology is more or less irrelevant and one should keep on doing one's karma without being bothered about the result,as mentioned in Gita.Regards Rup Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Rup, > > I gather from posts on another group that his time of birth is about > 14.45 hr.s 29th July 1959 (you are right about that), at Mumbai. > > Moon is in exaltation and its aspect on Lagna forms a strong raj yoga > according to Parashara. mars the Lagna lord going to the 10th bhava is > indicative of one getting fame through one's own efforts ( 10this also > called the Kirti sthana). > > As to his marital history note that the karaka for spouse Venus, who is > also the 7th lord, is in papa Kartari and is Mandi and Gulikaadhipati > indicating some slow degeneration in matter of spouse. that in navamsha > we see that 7th lord Jupiter is also in Papa kartari yoga and Parashara > tells us to look at navamsha for spouse. Here again Venus conjoins > Mandi. Venus is at the end of Libra navamsha and so in navamsha too in > Papakartari between Sun and Ketu. We also see that Moon aspecting the > lagna makes him emotional and Moon being by its very nature changeable > its being in the 7th could indicate that one changes associates, > including the life partners. That it lacks pakshabala does not talk > about a very stable personality, whatever be the outward appearance. > > Ketu, being Mokshakaraka, in the 5th, could indicate leaving children or > children living away from one. In 5th Ketu also indicates sudden loss of > temper and headless behaviour. > > Saturn and Mars aspecting the 4th and Moon the karaka for mother lacking > pakshabala does indicate that one may not have Matri sukha. > > He has a classic Bandhan yoga caused by Saturn in the 2nd and Jupiter in > the 12th, and if you look at the date of his first arrest around 19th > April 1993, he was running Rahu (Akin to Saturn) - Venus (12th lord) - > Saturn, whereas his second arrest was in Jupiter dasha and the order of > Dashas was Jupiter-Venus- Saturn. In the first incident we see that > natal Saturn was aspecting the transit Saturn which was trining Jupiter > in the 12th whereas in the second incidence we observe that Transit > Saturn aspects the Jupiter in the 12th and trines natal Saturn. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > Rup Krishen Baqaya wrote: > > > > Hi all, I do not know what is with my new e-mail address;whereas > > it receives mails all right but it does not (or takes 2 to 3 days) to > > send mails.As a result a mail i had sent to sridhar explaining why i > > deleted my old e-mail id has not been recd in the group as > > yet.Similarly a mail i sent to Chryse has also not been recd in the > > group,even though a later mail(which refers to the earlier mail)i > > sent to her has been recd because i sent it from the group and not > > from my e-mail address.Am saying all this because i had sent two > > posts about Sanjay Dutt also from my e-mail address to the group few > > days ago,but these too have not been recd at the group.Anyway now i > > am sending this mail about Sanjay Dutt from the group itself. > > Two days ago when i came back to my residence from the market my > > wife told me that she had watched one astro programme on India TV > > where some astrologer discussed the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt.For the > > benefit of Chryse let me say that Sanjay Dutt is a leading film star > > of India who has recently been sentenced to 6 years in jail for > > certain activities connected with terrorism which he indulged into 14 > > years ago when he was comparatively young.My wife who has picked up > > some astrology on account of the interest of many in the family in > > the subject(her father and brother too are interested in the subject) > > further said that she had noted the horoscope of Sanjay Dutt as given > > by the astrologer on the TV programme as under:- > > Scorpio ascendant,Saturn in the second in sagittarius,Ketu in > > the fifth in pisces,Moon in the seventh in taurus,Sun and Mercury in > > the 9th in cancer,Mars and Venus in the tenth in Leo,Raahu in the > > 11th in virgo and Jupiter in the 12th in Libra. > > The astrologer had further said on the programme that Sanjay has > > recd the prison sentence because he is running the period of Jupiter > > in the 12th.My wife had however not noted the date and time of > > birth.Nor did she remember what antardasha the astrologer had > > mentioned on TV.She was however keen to know whether the horoscope in > > any way indicated the surprising turn of events in his > > childhood,right from his mothers early death to his becoming a drug > > addict,then fame as a film star,early death of wife and no marriage > > thereafter with even his single daughter child living far away from > > him,and finally this. > > On checking with the ephemeris i found that with these stars the > > possible date of birth was on or just around the 29th July 1959.My > > memory (which might have stored Sanjay's date of bith from the > > deatils of birthdays of film stars in various film magazines)told me > > that the date 29th was correct.The position of Sun in the 9th told me > > that the birth was between 2PM and 4 PM.Taking the birth at about 3PM > > on the 29th July 1959 i got the position of moon at about 2 degrees > > of Taurus.This gives the present period/interperiod as Jupiter/Venus. > > Now coming to the discussion of the horoscope i remember reading in > > some ancient classic that if Moon is in the first 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to mother and if in the last 15 degrees of > > taurus there is danger to father.More so here we find mars is placed > > fourth from moon.The natal fourth house representing the mother gets > > the aspect of both the great malefics mars and saturn.These i believe > > are sufficient indications of early death of mother.In fact some > > would consider the 8th position of saturn from moon also to be > > indicative of that fact.Somehow i seem to remember reading in some > > film magazine that he lost his mother at age 20.If that is so then he > > would be running the alst phases of mars period at that time which > > according to the discussion above could lead to death of mother.And > > if he was running Mars/Moon at that time which is more than likely > > then mothers death at that time would obviously be a strong > > possiblity.Soon after his mothers death he is said to have become a > > drug addict.This is also possible for he was then running Raahu dasha > > and Raahu is akin to drugs,more so when it is in the fifth.However > > the horoscope does not indicate any such fame that he obtained as a > > film star.As is well known fame in a horoscope is seen by Sun,but Sun > > in the 9th is not said to be good.I have seen the results of the > > combos of Sun/Mercury in the 9th and Mars/venus in the 10th in Garga > > Hora but even the results there do not indicate any such fame.Yes > > Lagna lord Mars in the 10th Could be an indication,but certainly not > > enough.Similarly the horoscope does not show any such problemsa bout > > Marriage as have ahppened in Sanjay's life.On the contrary the > > seventh house is well fortified what with an exalted moon > > there.Yes,there is the combination of Mars and venus which is > > supposed to be bad for marriage but it is definitely not to the > > extent that his wife should have died so early.About Children yes > > there are sufficent indications in the horoscope to indicate what ahs > > happened in his life what with Ketu in the fifth,fifth lord Jupiter > > relegated to the natal 12th which also happens to be 8th from > > 5th,Raahu un the fifth from moon getting tenth aspect from the > > malefic saturn too etc.As regards prison,yes Jupiter is in the > > 12th;but i thought Jupiter is a natural and functional benefic both > > for this horoscope and its presence alone in the 12th should not have > > given imprisonment.Nor is the interperiod of venus in the main period > > of Jupiter indicative of any such result.So i don't > > know,partcicularly when one considers the fact that he has been > > already in prison for 14 months in the past before he got bail and > > that must have been the dasha of Raahu in the 11th. > > With the above data and my views mentioned thereon i throw the > > issue open for discussion at the group. Rup > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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