Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear Sir(s), Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, we had three books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. 2. BPHS 3. Phal Deepika Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of debilitated malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn get's digbala in 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries so how it's result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean if it's on libra in 7'th. same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what should be the result. in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated malifics in the kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what regard the Raj Yoga w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on 7'th (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated sun in 7'th. regards, Lalit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear Lalit, When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than pleasure so in Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava. yet aspecting the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us that raj yoga is caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on Lagna. This happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of exaltation in lagna and causing good results there. For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and less so when weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a problem by being in debility, than when in exaltation. Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born where if in exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl children or even be denied children. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir(s), Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, we had three books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. 2. BPHS 3. Phal Deepika Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of debilitated malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn get's digbala in 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries so how it's result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean if it's on libra in 7'th. same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what should be the result. in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated malifics in the kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what regard the Raj Yoga w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on 7'th (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated sun in 7'th. regards, Lalit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear Sir, That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have another question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be realized there also. The query is related with Career Prospects. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than pleasure so in > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava. yet aspecting > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us that raj yoga is > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on Lagna. This > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of exaltation in > lagna and causing good results there. > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and less so when > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a problem by being > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born where if in > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl children or even > be denied children. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, we had three > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > 2. BPHS > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of debilitated > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn get's digbala in > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries so how it's > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean if it's on > > libra in 7'th. > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what should be the > > result. > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated malifics in the > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what regard the Raj Yoga > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on 7'th > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated sun in 7'th. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Dear Lalit, In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth of father as well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may also give more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in exaltation, though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland would come out as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its rasi of debility in 4th. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have another question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be realized there also. The query is related with Career Prospects. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than pleasure so in > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava. yet aspecting > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us that raj yoga is > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on Lagna. This > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of exaltation in > lagna and causing good results there. > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and less so when > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a problem by being > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born where if in > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl children or even > be denied children. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, we had three > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > 2. BPHS > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of debilitated > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn get's digbala in > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries so how it's > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean if it's on > > libra in 7'th. > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what should be the > > result. > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated malifics in the > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what regard the Raj Yoga > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on 7'th > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated sun in 7'th. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Dear Sir, Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a person to steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what is the reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a common phinomina. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth of father as > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may also give > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in exaltation, > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland would come out > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its rasi of > debility in 4th. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have another > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be realized > > there also. > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than pleasure so in > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava. yet > > aspecting > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us that raj > > yoga is > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on Lagna. > > This > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of > > exaltation in > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and less so > > when > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a problem by > > being > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born where if > > in > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl children or > > even > > > be denied children. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, we had > > three > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of debilitated > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn get's > > digbala in > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries so how > > it's > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean if it's > > on > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what should be the > > > > result. > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated malifics > > in the > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what regard the > > Raj Yoga > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on 7'th > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated sun in > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Lalit, My take... All position of power requires Sun's blessing (energy, enthusism, Vision, authority) and moon's cooperation( compassion, agreeable to society/organisation). It is Sun that has resources and only Sun can give, all others just receive. Saturn/Rahu are bitter enemies of Sun/moon. So they will not able hold on to it. See in Lord Rama's Horoscope, exalted Saturn caused him to lose kingdom becoz of stepmother and servant (Saturn effect). In the case of saturnine USSR, it collapsed becoz people lacked food (energy) and 3 of its leaders died in 2 yrs between 1982-84. Regards Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a person to > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what is the > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a common > phinomina. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth of > father as > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may also > give > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in exaltation, > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland would come > out > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its rasi of > > debility in 4th. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have another > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be > realized > > > there also. > > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than pleasure > so in > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava. yet > > > aspecting > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us that raj > > > yoga is > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on Lagna. > > > This > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of > > > exaltation in > > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and less so > > > when > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a problem by > > > being > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born > where if > > > in > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl children > or > > > even > > > > be denied children. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, we > had > > > three > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of > debilitated > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn get's > > > digbala in > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries so > how > > > it's > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean if > it's > > > on > > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what should > be the > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated > malifics > > > in the > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what regard the > > > Raj Yoga > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on > 7'th > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated sun in > > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Sir, It's amazing, unbelievable ..... Saturn and USSR, I always want u to write, coz u explain from a very different angle and i like it. My point of confusion was if Saturn is exalted in 10'th or Yogkaraka (Libra Asc) and placed in 10'th, Will it still cause a steep fall after a high rise. The other point of doubt is, It's ok that Saturn causes a steep fall, How it takes one to steep hight, what it does, coz, Sun is it's all time enemy, from beginning to end of the native. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " <appulali wrote: > > Lalit, > > My take... > > All position of power requires Sun's blessing (energy, enthusism, > Vision, authority) and moon's cooperation( compassion, agreeable to > society/organisation). It is Sun that has resources and only Sun can > give, all others just receive. > > Saturn/Rahu are bitter enemies of Sun/moon. So they will not able > hold on to it. See in Lord Rama's Horoscope, exalted Saturn caused > him to lose kingdom becoz of stepmother and servant (Saturn effect). > In the case of saturnine USSR, it collapsed becoz people lacked food > (energy) and 3 of its leaders died in 2 yrs between 1982-84. > > Regards > Sridhar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a person to > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what is > the > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a > common > > phinomina. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth of > > father as > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may also > > give > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in > exaltation, > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland would > come > > out > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its rasi of > > > debility in 4th. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have > another > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be > > realized > > > > there also. > > > > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than pleasure > > so in > > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava. yet > > > > aspecting > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us that > raj > > > > yoga is > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on > Lagna. > > > > This > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of > > > > exaltation in > > > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and less > so > > > > when > > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a problem > by > > > > being > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born > > where if > > > > in > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl > children > > or > > > > even > > > > > be denied children. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, we > > had > > > > three > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of > > debilitated > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn get's > > > > digbala in > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries so > > how > > > > it's > > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean if > > it's > > > > on > > > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what should > > be the > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated > > malifics > > > > in the > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what regard > the > > > > Raj Yoga > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on > > 7'th > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated sun > in > > > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Dear Lalit, Much depends on which bhava Saturn owns too. However the reason is plain to see when one looks at the fact that Saturn in the 10th aspects the 4th (Sukha and motherland), 7th (spouse/partner/business/ short travels) and 12th (expenditure/ distant lands). I am sure you know that aspect of Saturn causes much harm to a bhava, unless it is owned by Saturn, and even there, there is some harm to th person represented by that bhava. Saturn himself is slow or lethargic so there is a tendency on the part of the jataka to be a bit lethargic in work. Put this all together and what you get is ups and downs in career. For the same reason it is said that for persons with Saturn in the 4th the later part of their life is stressful and they should try to save some moneys in first half of their life to avoid difficulties in later part of life. But as I said that all these are general injunctions and the bhava owned by Saturn as also the strength of the relevant Bhava lords will also have to be considered when prediction. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a person to steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what is the reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a common phinomina. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth of father as > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may also give > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in exaltation, > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland would come out > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its rasi of > debility in 4th. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have another > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be realized > > there also. > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than pleasure so in > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava. yet > > aspecting > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us that raj > > yoga is > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on Lagna. > > This > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of > > exaltation in > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and less so > > when > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a problem by > > being > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born where if > > in > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl children or > > even > > > be denied children. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, we had > > three > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of debilitated > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn get's > > digbala in > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries so how > > it's > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean if it's > > on > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what should be the > > > > result. > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated malifics > > in the > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what regard the > > Raj Yoga > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on 7'th > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated sun in > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Lalit, I do not know much horoscopes with Saturn in 10th in Libra, In One version of Horoscope of Lord Krishna published by BV Raman, he had Saturn in 10th house in Kumbha.(own house and moolathrikona) 10th house also represents house of your in-laws. so if you see families of Krishna's wives after the marriage, they all fell into poverty, defeat and bad times, after Krishna married Rukmini, Sathyabhama or Jambavati. Krishna never become a king. But the strong 10th has its benefits. He was a charioteer, cowherd, wrestler .etc. he knows how to looks after, cows, horses. He was a very good skilled worker. Expert in many fields. It is said that during Mahabharata war, everyday before and after end of the day, he used to walk three times around the horse and chariot, with horse strick bend behind his shoulder. Just to show his appreciation. He not only guided Arjuna, but he took care the horses so well by feeding the food and water so cleverly even in war. Krishna's young age was not great becoz of 10th house saturn, Similarly I do not think Rama's old age was great becoz of saturn in 4th house. (Suicide , loss of wife) Similalrly you can see saturnine affect behind USSR, exploration of space, they started/forced great improvements in science, technology, Skilled labor. Even the war was " cold " war. Strong Saturn like in Libra /capricorn /cancer/aquarius/kendras will fight for Justice/Dharma/Anti-poverty/Social service. I know Bill Gates, Mata Amritanandamayi, M Karunidhi, his son MK Stalin,Blair, Samrat Shivaji, Akbar all have saturn in Libra but not in 10th house. Abdul Kalam, Indira Gandhi,Mata Amritanandamayi,Akbar, has Saturn in their Lagna. I think I have given good examples for you to chew on. Regards Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Sir, > > It's amazing, unbelievable ..... Saturn and USSR, I always want u to > write, coz u explain from a very different angle and i like it. > > My point of confusion was if Saturn is exalted in 10'th or Yogkaraka > (Libra Asc) and placed in 10'th, Will it still cause a steep fall > after a high rise. > > The other point of doubt is, It's ok that Saturn causes a steep fall, > How it takes one to steep hight, what it does, coz, Sun is it's all > time enemy, from beginning to end of the native. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > Lalit, > > > > My take... > > > > All position of power requires Sun's blessing (energy, enthusism, > > Vision, authority) and moon's cooperation( compassion, agreeable to > > society/organisation). It is Sun that has resources and only Sun > can > > give, all others just receive. > > > > Saturn/Rahu are bitter enemies of Sun/moon. So they will not able > > hold on to it. See in Lord Rama's Horoscope, exalted Saturn caused > > him to lose kingdom becoz of stepmother and servant (Saturn effect). > > In the case of saturnine USSR, it collapsed becoz people lacked > food > > (energy) and 3 of its leaders died in 2 yrs between 1982-84. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a person > to > > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what is > > the > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a > > common > > > phinomina. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth of > > > father as > > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may also > > > give > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in > > exaltation, > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland would > > come > > > out > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its rasi > of > > > > debility in 4th. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have > > another > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if > > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be > > > realized > > > > > there also. > > > > > > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than > pleasure > > > so in > > > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava. > yet > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us > that > > raj > > > > > yoga is > > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on > > Lagna. > > > > > This > > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of > > > > > exaltation in > > > > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and > less > > so > > > > > when > > > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a > problem > > by > > > > > being > > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born > > > where if > > > > > in > > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl > > children > > > or > > > > > even > > > > > > be denied children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics, > we > > > had > > > > > three > > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of > > > debilitated > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn > get's > > > > > digbala in > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries > so > > > how > > > > > it's > > > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean > if > > > it's > > > > > on > > > > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what > should > > > be the > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated > > > malifics > > > > > in the > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what > regard > > the > > > > > Raj Yoga > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn > on > > > 7'th > > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated > sun > > in > > > > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Dear Sir, You provided a very good list and incidently in the chapter of mundane astrology of " Hindu Predictive Astrology " by BVR, he also suggests that USSR is under influence of Saturn. What about China ? regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " <appulali wrote: > > Lalit, > > I do not know much horoscopes with Saturn in 10th in Libra, In One > version of Horoscope of Lord Krishna published by BV Raman, he had > Saturn in 10th house in Kumbha.(own house and moolathrikona) > > 10th house also represents house of your in-laws. so if you see > families of Krishna's wives after the marriage, they all fell into > poverty, defeat and bad times, after Krishna married Rukmini, > Sathyabhama or Jambavati. Krishna never become a king. But the strong > 10th has its benefits. He was a charioteer, cowherd, wrestler .etc. > he knows how to looks after, cows, horses. He was a very good > skilled worker. Expert in many fields. It is said that during > Mahabharata war, everyday before and after end of the day, he used to > walk three times around the horse and chariot, with horse strick bend > behind his shoulder. Just to show his appreciation. He not only > guided Arjuna, but he took care the horses so well by feeding the > food and water so cleverly even in war. Krishna's young age was not > great becoz of 10th house saturn, Similarly I do not think Rama's old > age was great becoz of saturn in 4th house. (Suicide , loss of wife) > > Similalrly you can see saturnine affect behind USSR, exploration of > space, they started/forced great improvements in science, technology, > Skilled labor. Even the war was " cold " war. > > Strong Saturn like in Libra /capricorn /cancer/aquarius/kendras will > fight for Justice/Dharma/Anti-poverty/Social service. I know Bill > Gates, Mata Amritanandamayi, M Karunidhi, his son MK Stalin,> Blair, Samrat Shivaji, Akbar all have saturn in Libra but not in 10th > house. Abdul Kalam, Indira Gandhi,Mata Amritanandamayi,Akbar, has > Saturn in their Lagna. > > I think I have given good examples for you to chew on. > > > Regards > Sridhar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > It's amazing, unbelievable ..... Saturn and USSR, I always want u > to > > write, coz u explain from a very different angle and i like it. > > > > My point of confusion was if Saturn is exalted in 10'th or > Yogkaraka > > (Libra Asc) and placed in 10'th, Will it still cause a steep fall > > after a high rise. > > > > The other point of doubt is, It's ok that Saturn causes a steep > fall, > > How it takes one to steep hight, what it does, coz, Sun is it's all > > time enemy, from beginning to end of the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > My take... > > > > > > All position of power requires Sun's blessing (energy, enthusism, > > > Vision, authority) and moon's cooperation( compassion, agreeable > to > > > society/organisation). It is Sun that has resources and only Sun > > can > > > give, all others just receive. > > > > > > Saturn/Rahu are bitter enemies of Sun/moon. So they will not able > > > hold on to it. See in Lord Rama's Horoscope, exalted Saturn > caused > > > him to lose kingdom becoz of stepmother and servant (Saturn > effect). > > > In the case of saturnine USSR, it collapsed becoz people lacked > > food > > > (energy) and 3 of its leaders died in 2 yrs between 1982-84. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a person > > to > > > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what > is > > > the > > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a > > > common > > > > phinomina. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth of > > > > father as > > > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may > also > > > > give > > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in > > > exaltation, > > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland would > > > come > > > > out > > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its > rasi > > of > > > > > debility in 4th. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have > > > another > > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if > > > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be > > > > realized > > > > > > there also. > > > > > > > > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than > > pleasure > > > > so in > > > > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th > bhava. > > yet > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us > > that > > > raj > > > > > > yoga is > > > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on > > > Lagna. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of > > > > > > exaltation in > > > > > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and > > less > > > so > > > > > > when > > > > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a > > problem > > > by > > > > > > being > > > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be > born > > > > where if > > > > > > in > > > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl > > > children > > > > or > > > > > > even > > > > > > > be denied children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our > basics, > > we > > > > had > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn > > get's > > > > > > digbala in > > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on > aeries > > so > > > > how > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i > mean > > if > > > > it's > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what > > should > > > > be the > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated > > > > malifics > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what > > regard > > > the > > > > > > Raj Yoga > > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn > > on > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated > > sun > > > in > > > > > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Lalit, I have been told that Kethu rules over Japan, Korea, China, Vietnam. and Rahu rules over Iran, Arabia. Mercury Rules over USA. In terms of Zodiac, China is Capricornian, USA Gemini, UK Libra, France Taurus. India is also Libra. I Think India is also ruled by Rahu or Guru, But as long as Himalayas are in the Northeast( Isana position - Vastu) , India will always be peaceful. Regards Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > You provided a very good list and incidently in the chapter of > mundane astrology of " Hindu Predictive Astrology " by BVR, he also > suggests that USSR is under influence of Saturn. > > What about China ? > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > Lalit, > > > > I do not know much horoscopes with Saturn in 10th in Libra, In One > > version of Horoscope of Lord Krishna published by BV Raman, he had > > Saturn in 10th house in Kumbha.(own house and moolathrikona) > > > > 10th house also represents house of your in-laws. so if you see > > families of Krishna's wives after the marriage, they all fell into > > poverty, defeat and bad times, after Krishna married Rukmini, > > Sathyabhama or Jambavati. Krishna never become a king. But the > strong > > 10th has its benefits. He was a charioteer, cowherd, > wrestler .etc. > > he knows how to looks after, cows, horses. He was a very good > > skilled worker. Expert in many fields. It is said that during > > Mahabharata war, everyday before and after end of the day, he used > to > > walk three times around the horse and chariot, with horse strick > bend > > behind his shoulder. Just to show his appreciation. He not only > > guided Arjuna, but he took care the horses so well by feeding the > > food and water so cleverly even in war. Krishna's young age was not > > great becoz of 10th house saturn, Similarly I do not think Rama's > old > > age was great becoz of saturn in 4th house. (Suicide , loss of wife) > > > > Similalrly you can see saturnine affect behind USSR, exploration of > > space, they started/forced great improvements in science, > technology, > > Skilled labor. Even the war was " cold " war. > > > > Strong Saturn like in Libra /capricorn /cancer/aquarius/kendras > will > > fight for Justice/Dharma/Anti-poverty/Social service. I know Bill > > Gates, Mata Amritanandamayi, M Karunidhi, his son MK Stalin,> > Blair, Samrat Shivaji, Akbar all have saturn in Libra but not in > 10th > > house. Abdul Kalam, Indira Gandhi,Mata Amritanandamayi,Akbar, has > > Saturn in their Lagna. > > > > I think I have given good examples for you to chew on. > > > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > It's amazing, unbelievable ..... Saturn and USSR, I always want u > > to > > > write, coz u explain from a very different angle and i like it. > > > > > > My point of confusion was if Saturn is exalted in 10'th or > > Yogkaraka > > > (Libra Asc) and placed in 10'th, Will it still cause a steep fall > > > after a high rise. > > > > > > The other point of doubt is, It's ok that Saturn causes a steep > > fall, > > > How it takes one to steep hight, what it does, coz, Sun is it's > all > > > time enemy, from beginning to end of the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > > > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > My take... > > > > > > > > All position of power requires Sun's blessing (energy, > enthusism, > > > > Vision, authority) and moon's cooperation( compassion, > agreeable > > to > > > > society/organisation). It is Sun that has resources and only > Sun > > > can > > > > give, all others just receive. > > > > > > > > Saturn/Rahu are bitter enemies of Sun/moon. So they will not > able > > > > hold on to it. See in Lord Rama's Horoscope, exalted Saturn > > caused > > > > him to lose kingdom becoz of stepmother and servant (Saturn > > effect). > > > > In the case of saturnine USSR, it collapsed becoz people lacked > > > food > > > > (energy) and 3 of its leaders died in 2 yrs between 1982-84. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a > person > > > to > > > > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what > > is > > > > the > > > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a > > > > common > > > > > phinomina. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth > of > > > > > father as > > > > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may > > also > > > > > give > > > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in > > > > exaltation, > > > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland > would > > > > come > > > > > out > > > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its > > rasi > > > of > > > > > > debility in 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have > > > > another > > > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if > > > > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception > be > > > > > realized > > > > > > > there also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than > > > pleasure > > > > > so in > > > > > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th > > bhava. > > > yet > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us > > > that > > > > raj > > > > > > > yoga is > > > > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, > on > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi > of > > > > > > > exaltation in > > > > > > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong > and > > > less > > > > so > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a > > > problem > > > > by > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be > > born > > > > > where if > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl > > > > children > > > > > or > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > be denied children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our > > basics, > > > we > > > > > had > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > > > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like > saturn > > > get's > > > > > > > digbala in > > > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on > > aeries > > > so > > > > > how > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i > > mean > > > if > > > > > it's > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what > > > should > > > > > be the > > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that > debilitated > > > > > malifics > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what > > > regard > > > > the > > > > > > > Raj Yoga > > > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated > saturn > > > on > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or > debilitated > > > sun > > > > in > > > > > > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Sir, Ketu rules over China, Ketu is on leo where is Saturn and venus already present, but we dont see any disturbance due to desires for freedom in China... when that country will be little more humanitarian. regatrds, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " <appulali wrote: > > Lalit, > > I have been told that Kethu rules over Japan, Korea, China, Vietnam. > and Rahu rules over Iran, Arabia. Mercury Rules over USA. In terms of > Zodiac, China is Capricornian, USA Gemini, UK Libra, France Taurus. > India is also Libra. > > I Think India is also ruled by Rahu or Guru, But as long as Himalayas > are in the Northeast( Isana position - Vastu) , India will always be > peaceful. > > Regards > Sridhar > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > You provided a very good list and incidently in the chapter of > > mundane astrology of " Hindu Predictive Astrology " by BVR, he also > > suggests that USSR is under influence of Saturn. > > > > What about China ? > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > I do not know much horoscopes with Saturn in 10th in Libra, In > One > > > version of Horoscope of Lord Krishna published by BV Raman, he > had > > > Saturn in 10th house in Kumbha.(own house and moolathrikona) > > > > > > 10th house also represents house of your in-laws. so if you see > > > families of Krishna's wives after the marriage, they all fell > into > > > poverty, defeat and bad times, after Krishna married Rukmini, > > > Sathyabhama or Jambavati. Krishna never become a king. But the > > strong > > > 10th has its benefits. He was a charioteer, cowherd, > > wrestler .etc. > > > he knows how to looks after, cows, horses. He was a very good > > > skilled worker. Expert in many fields. It is said that during > > > Mahabharata war, everyday before and after end of the day, he > used > > to > > > walk three times around the horse and chariot, with horse strick > > bend > > > behind his shoulder. Just to show his appreciation. He not only > > > guided Arjuna, but he took care the horses so well by feeding the > > > food and water so cleverly even in war. Krishna's young age was > not > > > great becoz of 10th house saturn, Similarly I do not think Rama's > > old > > > age was great becoz of saturn in 4th house. (Suicide , loss of > wife) > > > > > > Similalrly you can see saturnine affect behind USSR, exploration > of > > > space, they started/forced great improvements in science, > > technology, > > > Skilled labor. Even the war was " cold " war. > > > > > > Strong Saturn like in Libra /capricorn /cancer/aquarius/kendras > > will > > > fight for Justice/Dharma/Anti-poverty/Social service. I know Bill > > > Gates, Mata Amritanandamayi, M Karunidhi, his son MK Stalin,> > > Blair, Samrat Shivaji, Akbar all have saturn in Libra but not in > > 10th > > > house. Abdul Kalam, Indira Gandhi,Mata Amritanandamayi,Akbar, has > > > Saturn in their Lagna. > > > > > > I think I have given good examples for you to chew on. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > It's amazing, unbelievable ..... Saturn and USSR, I always want > u > > > to > > > > write, coz u explain from a very different angle and i like it. > > > > > > > > My point of confusion was if Saturn is exalted in 10'th or > > > Yogkaraka > > > > (Libra Asc) and placed in 10'th, Will it still cause a steep > fall > > > > after a high rise. > > > > > > > > The other point of doubt is, It's ok that Saturn causes a steep > > > fall, > > > > How it takes one to steep hight, what it does, coz, Sun is it's > > all > > > > time enemy, from beginning to end of the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > > > > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > My take... > > > > > > > > > > All position of power requires Sun's blessing (energy, > > enthusism, > > > > > Vision, authority) and moon's cooperation( compassion, > > agreeable > > > to > > > > > society/organisation). It is Sun that has resources and only > > Sun > > > > can > > > > > give, all others just receive. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn/Rahu are bitter enemies of Sun/moon. So they will not > > able > > > > > hold on to it. See in Lord Rama's Horoscope, exalted Saturn > > > caused > > > > > him to lose kingdom becoz of stepmother and servant (Saturn > > > effect). > > > > > In the case of saturnine USSR, it collapsed becoz people > lacked > > > > food > > > > > (energy) and 3 of its leaders died in 2 yrs between 1982-84. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a > > person > > > > to > > > > > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, > what > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is > a > > > > > common > > > > > > phinomina. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and > wealth > > of > > > > > > father as > > > > > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It > may > > > also > > > > > > give > > > > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in > > > > > exaltation, > > > > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland > > would > > > > > come > > > > > > out > > > > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its > > > rasi > > > > of > > > > > > > debility in 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We > have > > > > > another > > > > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th > if > > > > > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception > > be > > > > > > realized > > > > > > > > there also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than > > > > pleasure > > > > > > so in > > > > > > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th > > > bhava. > > > > yet > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells > us > > > > that > > > > > raj > > > > > > > > yoga is > > > > > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or > debility, > > on > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its > rasi > > of > > > > > > > > exaltation in > > > > > > > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong > > and > > > > less > > > > > so > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a > > > > problem > > > > > by > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be > > > born > > > > > > where if > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only > girl > > > > > children > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > be denied children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our > > > basics, > > > > we > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > > > > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results > of > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like > > saturn > > > > get's > > > > > > > > digbala in > > > > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on > > > aeries > > > > so > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i > > > mean > > > > if > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th > what > > > > should > > > > > > be the > > > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that > > debilitated > > > > > > malifics > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what > > > > regard > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Raj Yoga > > > > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated > > saturn > > > > on > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or > > debilitated > > > > sun > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Belated Birthday Wishes to you and Rup, I think Kethu shows the kind of people, Chinese and Mongolians are. Mystique, fiery, balanced, Intuitive and very intelligent. When capricorn is afflicted, China might be afflicated Similarly Mercury shows the kind of People US of A's are. and Gemini shows afflication for USA. Similarly Rahu for Arabia, violent religion, underground, hidden wealth, hot climate ..etc Regards Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Sir, > > Ketu rules over China, Ketu is on leo where is Saturn and venus > already present, but we dont see any disturbance due to desires for > freedom in China... > > when that country will be little more humanitarian. > > regatrds, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > Lalit, > > > > I have been told that Kethu rules over Japan, Korea, China, > Vietnam. > > and Rahu rules over Iran, Arabia. Mercury Rules over USA. In terms > of > > Zodiac, China is Capricornian, USA Gemini, UK Libra, France Taurus. > > India is also Libra. > > > > I Think India is also ruled by Rahu or Guru, But as long as > Himalayas > > are in the Northeast( Isana position - Vastu) , India will always > be > > peaceful. > > > > Regards > > Sridhar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > You provided a very good list and incidently in the chapter of > > > mundane astrology of " Hindu Predictive Astrology " by BVR, he also > > > suggests that USSR is under influence of Saturn. > > > > > > What about China ? > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > > > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > I do not know much horoscopes with Saturn in 10th in Libra, In > > One > > > > version of Horoscope of Lord Krishna published by BV Raman, he > > had > > > > Saturn in 10th house in Kumbha.(own house and moolathrikona) > > > > > > > > 10th house also represents house of your in-laws. so if you see > > > > families of Krishna's wives after the marriage, they all fell > > into > > > > poverty, defeat and bad times, after Krishna married Rukmini, > > > > Sathyabhama or Jambavati. Krishna never become a king. But the > > > strong > > > > 10th has its benefits. He was a charioteer, cowherd, > > > wrestler .etc. > > > > he knows how to looks after, cows, horses. He was a very good > > > > skilled worker. Expert in many fields. It is said that during > > > > Mahabharata war, everyday before and after end of the day, he > > used > > > to > > > > walk three times around the horse and chariot, with horse > strick > > > bend > > > > behind his shoulder. Just to show his appreciation. He not only > > > > guided Arjuna, but he took care the horses so well by feeding > the > > > > food and water so cleverly even in war. Krishna's young age was > > not > > > > great becoz of 10th house saturn, Similarly I do not think > Rama's > > > old > > > > age was great becoz of saturn in 4th house. (Suicide , loss of > > wife) > > > > > > > > Similalrly you can see saturnine affect behind USSR, > exploration > > of > > > > space, they started/forced great improvements in science, > > > technology, > > > > Skilled labor. Even the war was " cold " war. > > > > > > > > Strong Saturn like in Libra /capricorn /cancer/aquarius/kendras > > > will > > > > fight for Justice/Dharma/Anti-poverty/Social service. I know > Bill > > > > Gates, Mata Amritanandamayi, M Karunidhi, his son MK > Stalin,> > > > Blair, Samrat Shivaji, Akbar all have saturn in Libra but not > in > > > 10th > > > > house. Abdul Kalam, Indira Gandhi,Mata Amritanandamayi,Akbar, > has > > > > Saturn in their Lagna. > > > > > > > > I think I have given good examples for you to chew on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > It's amazing, unbelievable ..... Saturn and USSR, I always > want > > u > > > > to > > > > > write, coz u explain from a very different angle and i like > it. > > > > > > > > > > My point of confusion was if Saturn is exalted in 10'th or > > > > Yogkaraka > > > > > (Libra Asc) and placed in 10'th, Will it still cause a steep > > fall > > > > > after a high rise. > > > > > > > > > > The other point of doubt is, It's ok that Saturn causes a > steep > > > > fall, > > > > > How it takes one to steep hight, what it does, coz, Sun is > it's > > > all > > > > > time enemy, from beginning to end of the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " > > > > > <appulali@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > My take... > > > > > > > > > > > > All position of power requires Sun's blessing (energy, > > > enthusism, > > > > > > Vision, authority) and moon's cooperation( compassion, > > > agreeable > > > > to > > > > > > society/organisation). It is Sun that has resources and > only > > > Sun > > > > > can > > > > > > give, all others just receive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn/Rahu are bitter enemies of Sun/moon. So they will > not > > > able > > > > > > hold on to it. See in Lord Rama's Horoscope, exalted Saturn > > > > caused > > > > > > him to lose kingdom becoz of stepmother and servant (Saturn > > > > effect). > > > > > > In the case of saturnine USSR, it collapsed becoz people > > lacked > > > > > food > > > > > > (energy) and 3 of its leaders died in 2 yrs between 1982-84. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a > > > person > > > > > to > > > > > > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, > > what > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it > is > > a > > > > > > common > > > > > > > phinomina. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and > > wealth > > > of > > > > > > > father as > > > > > > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It > > may > > > > also > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in > > > > > > exaltation, > > > > > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland > > > would > > > > > > come > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting > its > > > > rasi > > > > > of > > > > > > > > debility in 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We > > have > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in > 10'th > > if > > > > > > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of > exception > > > be > > > > > > > realized > > > > > > > > > there also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow > than > > > > > pleasure > > > > > > > so in > > > > > > > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th > > > > bhava. > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara > tells > > us > > > > > that > > > > > > raj > > > > > > > > > yoga is > > > > > > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or > > debility, > > > on > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its > > rasi > > > of > > > > > > > > > exaltation in > > > > > > > > > > lagna and causing good results there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when > strong > > > and > > > > > less > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of > a > > > > > problem > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to > be > > > > born > > > > > > > where if > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only > > girl > > > > > > children > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > be denied children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our > > > > basics, > > > > > we > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied. > > > > > > > > > > > 2. BPHS > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results > > of > > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like > > > saturn > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > digbala in > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on > > > > aeries > > > > > so > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, > i > > > > mean > > > > > if > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > libra in 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th > > what > > > > > should > > > > > > > be the > > > > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that > > > debilitated > > > > > > > malifics > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in > what > > > > > regard > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Raj Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated > > > saturn > > > > > on > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or > > > debilitated > > > > > sun > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 7'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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