Debilitated Malifics - only 2 confusions

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Dear Sir,

 

With ur's continuous replies, now i understand it little better way,

now 2 queries are left :

 

1. If placed in 10'th Saturn being slow causes delay, this can be a

cause for the fall but how saturn will take a person to hight, coz,

it's basic property is to harm it's own way.

 

2. In saurabh's case, MARS is again debilitated and placed in

10'th. It should cause a Raj Yoga, which is not there in his life as

of now, may be in future..

 

My confusion and curiosity is, what such a debilitated mars w'd

do for him, or for any person in such a placement. How it will push

him towards kingly ascendance ?

 

I have purchased two more books - 1. B.V. Raman's Hindu Predictive

Astrology 2. A book written by O.P verma on transits (Not a good book)

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Much depends on which bhava Saturn owns too. However the reason is

plain

> to see when one looks at the fact that Saturn in the 10th aspects

the

> 4th (Sukha and motherland), 7th (spouse/partner/business/ short

travels)

> and 12th (expenditure/ distant lands). I am sure you know that

aspect of

> Saturn causes much harm to a bhava, unless it is owned by Saturn,

and

> even there, there is some harm to th person represented by that

bhava.

> Saturn himself is slow or lethargic so there is a tendency on the

part

> of the jataka to be a bit lethargic in work. Put this all together

and

> what you get is ups and downs in career. For the same reason it is

said

> that for persons with Saturn in the 4th the later part of their

life is

> stressful and they should try to save some moneys in first half of

their

> life to avoid difficulties in later part of life.

>

> But as I said that all these are general injunctions and the bhava

owned

> by Saturn as also the strength of the relevant Bhava lords will

also

> have to be considered when prediction.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a person to

> > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what is

the

> > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a

common

> > phinomina.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth of

> > father as

> > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may also

> > give

> > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in

exaltation,

> > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland would

come

> > out

> > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its rasi

of

> > > debility in 4th.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have

another

> > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if

> > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be

> > realized

> > > > there also.

> > > >

> > > > The query is related with Career Prospects.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than

pleasure

> > so in

> > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th bhava.

yet

> > > > aspecting

> > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us

that raj

> > > > yoga is

> > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility, on

Lagna.

> > > > This

> > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi of

> > > > exaltation in

> > > > > lagna and causing good results there.

> > > > >

> > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and

less so

> > > > when

> > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a

problem by

> > > > being

> > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be born

> > where if

> > > > in

> > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl

children

> > or

> > > > even

> > > > > be denied children.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir(s),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our basics,

we

> > had

> > > > three

> > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied.

> > > > > > 2. BPHS

> > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of

> > debilitated

> > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn

get's

> > > > digbala in

> > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on aeries

so

> > how

> > > > it's

> > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i mean

if

> > it's

> > > > on

> > > > > > libra in 7'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what

should

> > be the

> > > > > > result.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated

> > malifics

> > > > in the

> > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what

regard the

> > > > Raj Yoga

> > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated saturn on

> > 7'th

> > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated

sun in

> > > > 7'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

Do not forget that Saturn also protects the bhava he occupies and the

10th bhava is its own rasi Makara (Capricorn) in natural zodiac. Saturn

in the 10th also indicates that the person can be a leader of a large

group of people. So he can also elevate on in its own dasha as far as

karma is concerned.

 

Why should Mars in debility in 10th be a raj yoga by itself? If you

think it is due to its occupation of its rasi of debility, you have

also to remember that it is Dhanesh in the rasi of its debility, as

also the 7th lord. It would yet be with digbala and Saurabha would be

quite an industrious person. An advantage of mars in debility would be

that Saurabh's relations with his mother and father would not be as

strained as when the 10th had been occupied by an exalted Mars and he

would also not be very high tempered. His father would not have as

harsh a tongue as you would expect with Mars in exaltation in the 10th

bhava. The fact of Mars aspecting its rasi of exaltation in 4th could

also indicate that Saurabh would get good house and vehicles.

 

Please do not confuse raj yoga with kingly ascendancy, as you put it.

The raj yogas indicate a much better financial condition than what one

is born in. To be a king you need more powerful yogas and even there

the strength of yogas depends on the parents one is born to. If the

parents are themselves Kings (or their equivalent in modern world) even

a weak yoga could make one a king whereas as the parents go lower down

the scale one needs stronger yoga to propel one to the stage of a King.

 

Do read BVR's book. It will help you clarify some of the confusion

about the nature of grahas and rasis as well as bhavas. But try to

understand the principles rather than only trying to memorizing the

yogas by heart. As explained above mere application of yogas, without

taking into consideration why the yogas arise, and other factors like

Desh (country), Kala (times) and Patra (individual) and applying one's

sense of proportion we may end up making wrong predictions.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

With ur's continuous replies, now i understand it little better way,

now 2 queries are left :

 

1. If placed in 10'th Saturn being slow causes delay, this can be a

cause for the fall but how saturn will take a person to hight, coz,

it's basic property is to harm it's own way.

 

2. In saurabh's case, MARS is again debilitated and placed in

10'th. It should cause a Raj Yoga, which is not there in his life as

of now, may be in future..

 

My confusion and curiosity is, what such a debilitated mars w'd

do for him, or for any person in such a placement. How it will push

him towards kingly ascendance ?

 

I have purchased two more books - 1. B.V. Raman's Hindu Predictive

Astrology 2. A book written by O.P verma on transits (Not a good book)

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Much depends on which bhava Saturn owns too. However the reason is

 

plain

> to see when one looks at the fact that Saturn in the 10th aspects

the

> 4th (Sukha and motherland), 7th (spouse/partner/business/

short

travels)

> and 12th (expenditure/ distant lands). I am sure you know that

aspect of

> Saturn causes much harm to a bhava, unless it is owned by Saturn,

and

> even there, there is some harm to th person represented by that

bhava.

> Saturn himself is slow or lethargic so there is a tendency on the

part

> of the jataka to be a bit lethargic in work. Put this all together

 

and

> what you get is ups and downs in career. For the same reason it is

 

said

> that for persons with Saturn in the 4th the later part of their

life is

> stressful and they should try to save some moneys in first half of

 

their

> life to avoid difficulties in later part of life.

>

> But as I said that all these are general injunctions and the bhava

 

owned

> by Saturn as also the strength of the relevant Bhava lords will

also

> have to be considered when prediction.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a

person to

> > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what

is

the

> > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a

 

common

> > phinomina.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

 

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and

wealth of

> > father as

> > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It

may also

> > give

> > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in

exaltation,

> > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland

would

come

> > out

> > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting

its rasi

of

> > > debility in 4th.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh,

We have

another

> > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in

10'th if

> > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of

exception be

> > realized

> > > > there also.

> > > >

> > > > The query is related with Career Prospects.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more

sorrow than

pleasure

> > so in

> > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to

the 7th bhava.

yet

> > > > aspecting

> > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara

tells us

that raj

> > > > yoga is

> > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or

debility, on

Lagna.

> > > > This

> > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting

its rasi of

> > > > exaltation in

> > > > > lagna and causing good results there.

> > > > >

> > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when

strong and

less so

> > > > when

> > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause

less of a

problem by

> > > > being

> > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male

child to be born

> > where if

> > > > in

> > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have

only girl

children

> > or

> > > > even

> > > > > be denied children.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir(s),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to

sharpen our basics,

we

> > had

> > > > three

> > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology

Dymistied.

> > > > > > 2. BPHS

> > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding

results of

> > debilitated

> > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons

(trines), Like saturn

get's

> > > > digbala in

> > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there

means on aeries

so

> > how

> > > > it's

> > > > > > result will differ from it's being

exalted there, i mean

if

> > it's

> > > > on

> > > > > > libra in 7'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars

in 5'th what

should

> > be the

> > > > > > result.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said

that debilitated

> > malifics

> > > > in the

> > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't

understand in what

regard the

> > > > Raj Yoga

> > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of

debilitated saturn on

> > 7'th

> > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th

or debilitated

sun in

> > > > 7'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

Thanx for the explaining it so clearly, I have one more query in my

mind, in what way debilitated planet's aspect is different from that

of it's exaltation or it's moderate placement.

 

will there be a difference or debilitation/exaltation has no effect

on the their aspecting other houses.

 

I checked it with BVR's book, he has not mentioned this sort of case

in his book.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

> Do not forget that Saturn also protects the bhava he occupies and

the

> 10th bhava is its own rasi Makara (Capricorn) in natural zodiac.

Saturn

> in the 10th also indicates that the person can be a leader of a

large

> group of people. So he can also elevate on in its own dasha as far

as

> karma is concerned.

>

> Why should Mars in debility in 10th be a raj yoga by itself? If you

> think it is due to its occupation of its rasi of debility, you have

also

> to remember that it is Dhanesh in the rasi of its debility, as also

the

> 7th lord. It would yet be with digbala and Saurabha would be quite

an

> industrious person. An advantage of mars in debility would be that

> Saurabh's relations with his mother and father would not be as

strained

> as when the 10th had been occupied by an exalted Mars and he would

also

> not be very high tempered. His father would not have as harsh a

tongue

> as you would expect with Mars in exaltation in the 10th bhava. The

fact

> of Mars aspecting its rasi of exaltation in 4th could also indicate

that

> Saurabh would get good house and vehicles.

>

> Please do not confuse raj yoga with kingly ascendancy, as you put

it.

> The raj yogas indicate a much better financial condition than what

one

> is born in. To be a king you need more powerful yogas and even

there the

> strength of yogas depends on the parents one is born to. If the

parents

> are themselves Kings (or their equivalent in modern world) even a

weak

> yoga could make one a king whereas as the parents go lower down the

> scale one needs stronger yoga to propel one to the stage of a King.

>

> Do read BVR's book. It will help you clarify some of the confusion

about

> the nature of grahas and rasis as well as bhavas. But try to

understand

> the principles rather than only trying to memorizing the yogas by

heart.

> As explained above mere application of yogas, without taking into

> consideration why the yogas arise, and other factors like Desh

> (country), Kala (times) and Patra (individual) and applying one's

sense

> of proportion we may end up making wrong predictions.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > With ur's continuous replies, now i understand it little better

way,

> > now 2 queries are left :

> >

> > 1. If placed in 10'th Saturn being slow causes delay, this can be

a

> > cause for the fall but how saturn will take a person to hight,

coz,

> > it's basic property is to harm it's own way.

> >

> > 2. In saurabh's case, MARS is again debilitated and placed in

> > 10'th. It should cause a Raj Yoga, which is not there in his life

as

> > of now, may be in future..

> >

> > My confusion and curiosity is, what such a debilitated mars w'd

> > do for him, or for any person in such a placement. How it will

push

> > him towards kingly ascendance ?

> >

> > I have purchased two more books - 1. B.V. Raman's Hindu Predictive

> > Astrology 2. A book written by O.P verma on transits (Not a good

book)

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Much depends on which bhava Saturn owns too. However the reason

is

> > plain

> > > to see when one looks at the fact that Saturn in the 10th

aspects

> > the

> > > 4th (Sukha and motherland), 7th (spouse/partner/business/ short

> > travels)

> > > and 12th (expenditure/ distant lands). I am sure you know that

> > aspect of

> > > Saturn causes much harm to a bhava, unless it is owned by

Saturn,

> > and

> > > even there, there is some harm to th person represented by that

> > bhava.

> > > Saturn himself is slow or lethargic so there is a tendency on

the

> > part

> > > of the jataka to be a bit lethargic in work. Put this all

together

> > and

> > > what you get is ups and downs in career. For the same reason it

is

> > said

> > > that for persons with Saturn in the 4th the later part of their

> > life is

> > > stressful and they should try to save some moneys in first half

of

> > their

> > > life to avoid difficulties in later part of life.

> > >

> > > But as I said that all these are general injunctions and the

bhava

> > owned

> > > by Saturn as also the strength of the relevant Bhava lords will

> > also

> > > have to be considered when prediction.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a

person to

> > > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens, what

is

> > the

> > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it is a

> > common

> > > > phinomina.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and wealth

of

> > > > father as

> > > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It may

also

> > > > give

> > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in

> > exaltation,

> > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland

would

> > come

> > > > out

> > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting its

rasi

> > of

> > > > > debility in 4th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We have

> > another

> > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in 10'th if

> > > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of exception be

> > > > realized

> > > > > > there also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than

> > pleasure

> > > > so in

> > > > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th

bhava.

> > yet

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara tells us

> > that raj

> > > > > > yoga is

> > > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or debility,

on

> > Lagna.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its rasi

of

> > > > > > exaltation in

> > > > > > > lagna and causing good results there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when strong and

> > less so

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of a

> > problem by

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to be

born

> > > > where if

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only girl

> > children

> > > > or

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > be denied children.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s),

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our

basics,

> > we

> > > > had

> > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied.

> > > > > > > > 2. BPHS

> > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results of

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like saturn

> > get's

> > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on

aeries

> > so

> > > > how

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there, i

mean

> > if

> > > > it's

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > libra in 7'th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th what

> > should

> > > > be the

> > > > > > > > result.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that debilitated

> > > > malifics

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in what

> > regard the

> > > > > > Raj Yoga

> > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated

saturn on

> > > > 7'th

> > > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or debilitated

> > sun in

> > > > > > 7'th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

On its rasi of exaltation the results are generally good whereas on

other rasis, for malefics other than Saturn (it is reverse in case of

Saturn) the malfeasance decreases. For benefics it is the beneficence

that decreases on the aspected rasis.

 

Chandrashekhar

 

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

Thanx for the explaining it so clearly, I have one more query in my

mind, in what way debilitated planet's aspect is different from that

of it's exaltation or it's moderate placement.

 

will there be a difference or debilitation/exaltation has no

effect

on the their aspecting other houses.

 

I checked it with BVR's book, he has not mentioned this sort of case

in his book.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

> Do not forget that Saturn also protects the bhava he occupies and

the

> 10th bhava is its own rasi Makara (Capricorn) in natural zodiac.

Saturn

> in the 10th also indicates that the person can be a leader of a

large

> group of people. So he can also elevate on in its own dasha as far

 

as

> karma is concerned.

>

> Why should Mars in debility in 10th be a raj yoga by itself? If

you

> think it is due to its occupation of its rasi of debility, you

have

also

> to remember that it is Dhanesh in the rasi of its debility, as

also

the

> 7th lord. It would yet be with digbala and Saurabha would be quite

 

an

> industrious person. An advantage of mars in debility would be that

 

> Saurabh's relations with his mother and father would not be as

strained

> as when the 10th had been occupied by an exalted Mars and he would

 

also

> not be very high tempered. His father would not have as harsh a

tongue

> as you would expect with Mars in exaltation in the 10th bhava. The

 

fact

> of Mars aspecting its rasi of exaltation in 4th could also

indicate

that

> Saurabh would get good house and vehicles.

>

> Please do not confuse raj yoga with kingly ascendancy, as you put

it.

> The raj yogas indicate a much better financial condition than what

 

one

> is born in. To be a king you need more powerful yogas and even

there the

> strength of yogas depends on the parents one is born to. If the

parents

> are themselves Kings (or their equivalent in modern world) even a

weak

> yoga could make one a king whereas as the parents go lower down

the

> scale one needs stronger yoga to propel one to the stage of a King.

>

> Do read BVR's book. It will help you clarify some of the confusion

 

about

> the nature of grahas and rasis as well as bhavas. But try to

understand

> the principles rather than only trying to memorizing the yogas by

heart.

> As explained above mere application of yogas, without taking into

> consideration why the yogas arise, and other factors like Desh

> (country), Kala (times) and Patra (individual) and applying one's

sense

> of proportion we may end up making wrong predictions.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > With ur's continuous replies, now i understand it little

better

way,

> > now 2 queries are left :

> >

> > 1. If placed in 10'th Saturn being slow causes delay, this

can be

a

> > cause for the fall but how saturn will take a person to

hight,

coz,

> > it's basic property is to harm it's own way.

> >

> > 2. In saurabh's case, MARS is again debilitated and placed in

> > 10'th. It should cause a Raj Yoga, which is not there in his

life

as

> > of now, may be in future..

> >

> > My confusion and curiosity is, what such a debilitated mars

w'd

> > do for him, or for any person in such a placement. How it

will

push

> > him towards kingly ascendance ?

> >

> > I have purchased two more books - 1. B.V. Raman's Hindu

Predictive

> > Astrology 2. A book written by O.P verma on transits (Not a

good

book)

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

 

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Much depends on which bhava Saturn owns too. However the

reason

is

> > plain

> > > to see when one looks at the fact that Saturn in the

10th

aspects

> > the

> > > 4th (Sukha and motherland), 7th (spouse/partner/business/

short

> > travels)

> > > and 12th (expenditure/ distant lands). I am sure you

know that

> > aspect of

> > > Saturn causes much harm to a bhava, unless it is owned

by

Saturn,

> > and

> > > even there, there is some harm to th person represented

by that

> > bhava.

> > > Saturn himself is slow or lethargic so there is a

tendency on

the

> > part

> > > of the jataka to be a bit lethargic in work. Put this

all

together

> > and

> > > what you get is ups and downs in career. For the same

reason it

is

> > said

> > > that for persons with Saturn in the 4th the later part

of their

> > life is

> > > stressful and they should try to save some moneys in

first half

of

> > their

> > > life to avoid difficulties in later part of life.

> > >

> > > But as I said that all these are general injunctions and

the

bhava

> > owned

> > > by Saturn as also the strength of the relevant Bhava

lords will

> > also

> > > have to be considered when prediction.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn

takes a

person to

> > > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall

happens, what

is

> > the

> > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean

if it is a

> > common

> > > > phinomina.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > In debility it will give problems to the

speech and wealth

of

> > > > father as

> > > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify

that. It may

also

> > > > give

> > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th.

Not so in

> > exaltation,

> > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from

motherland

would

> > come

> > > > out

> > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be

aspecting its

rasi

> > of

> > > > > debility in 4th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and

saurabh, We have

> > another

> > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give

result in 10'th if

> > > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same

kind of exception be

> > > > realized

> > > > > > there also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The query is related with Career

Prospects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives

more sorrow than

> > pleasure

> > > > so in

> > > > > > > Aries it will give more problems

related to the 7th

bhava.

> > yet

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as

Parashara tells us

> > that raj

> > > > > > yoga is

> > > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in

exaltation or debility,

on

> > Lagna.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is

aspecting its rasi

of

> > > > > > exaltation in

> > > > > > > lagna and causing good results there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For other malefics they are more

malefic when strong and

> > less so

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > weak and malefics, other than

Saturn, cause less of a

> > problem by

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a

male child to be

born

> > > > where if

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely

to have only girl

> > children

> > > > or

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > be denied children.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s),

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat

togather to sharpen our

basics,

> > we

> > > > had

> > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic

Astrology Dymistied.

> > > > > > > > 2. BPHS

> > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in

understanding results of

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and

trikons (trines), Like saturn

> > get's

> > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's

debilitated there means on

aeries

> > so

> > > > how

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > result will differ from it's

being exalted there, i

mean

> > if

> > > > it's

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > libra in 7'th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > same is if a planet is

debilitated mars in 5'th what

> > should

> > > > be the

> > > > > > > > result.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in another group, one

astrologer said that debilitated

> > > > malifics

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I

didn't understand in what

> > regard the

> > > > > > Raj Yoga

> > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the

case of debilitated

saturn on

> > > > 7'th

> > > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars)

in 7'th or debilitated

> > sun in

> > > > > > 7'th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

Do u mean, aspect of exalted sun/Mars/rahu/ketu on other rashis, will

be relatively good in context of the other houses and relatively bad

if sun/Mars/rahu/ketu are in debilitation. like,

 

if an exalted Sun/Mars/Rahu/Ketu aspects one's 2nd/4'th/5'th place,

there may be lesser loss of eye and wealth/mother and lesser chances

of visiting places/ lesser loss of kids or lesser degree of failure

in education etc.. ?

 

For Saturn, results will be opposit to above in context of aspected

house.

 

M i doing a mistake in understanding.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> On its rasi of exaltation the results are generally good whereas on

> other rasis, for malefics other than Saturn (it is reverse in case

of

> Saturn) the malfeasance decreases. For benefics it is the

beneficence

> that decreases on the aspected rasis.

>

> Chandrashekhar

>

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Thanx for the explaining it so clearly, I have one more query in

my

> > mind, in what way debilitated planet's aspect is different from

that

> > of it's exaltation or it's moderate placement.

> >

> > will there be a difference or debilitation/exaltation has no

effect

> > on the their aspecting other houses.

> >

> > I checked it with BVR's book, he has not mentioned this sort of

case

> > in his book.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > > Do not forget that Saturn also protects the bhava he occupies

and

> > the

> > > 10th bhava is its own rasi Makara (Capricorn) in natural zodiac.

> > Saturn

> > > in the 10th also indicates that the person can be a leader of a

> > large

> > > group of people. So he can also elevate on in its own dasha as

far

> > as

> > > karma is concerned.

> > >

> > > Why should Mars in debility in 10th be a raj yoga by itself? If

you

> > > think it is due to its occupation of its rasi of debility, you

have

> > also

> > > to remember that it is Dhanesh in the rasi of its debility, as

also

> > the

> > > 7th lord. It would yet be with digbala and Saurabha would be

quite

> > an

> > > industrious person. An advantage of mars in debility would be

that

> > > Saurabh's relations with his mother and father would not be as

> > strained

> > > as when the 10th had been occupied by an exalted Mars and he

would

> > also

> > > not be very high tempered. His father would not have as harsh a

> > tongue

> > > as you would expect with Mars in exaltation in the 10th bhava.

The

> > fact

> > > of Mars aspecting its rasi of exaltation in 4th could also

indicate

> > that

> > > Saurabh would get good house and vehicles.

> > >

> > > Please do not confuse raj yoga with kingly ascendancy, as you

put

> > it.

> > > The raj yogas indicate a much better financial condition than

what

> > one

> > > is born in. To be a king you need more powerful yogas and even

> > there the

> > > strength of yogas depends on the parents one is born to. If the

> > parents

> > > are themselves Kings (or their equivalent in modern world) even

a

> > weak

> > > yoga could make one a king whereas as the parents go lower down

the

> > > scale one needs stronger yoga to propel one to the stage of a

King.

> > >

> > > Do read BVR's book. It will help you clarify some of the

confusion

> > about

> > > the nature of grahas and rasis as well as bhavas. But try to

> > understand

> > > the principles rather than only trying to memorizing the yogas

by

> > heart.

> > > As explained above mere application of yogas, without taking

into

> > > consideration why the yogas arise, and other factors like Desh

> > > (country), Kala (times) and Patra (individual) and applying

one's

> > sense

> > > of proportion we may end up making wrong predictions.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > With ur's continuous replies, now i understand it little

better

> > way,

> > > > now 2 queries are left :

> > > >

> > > > 1. If placed in 10'th Saturn being slow causes delay, this

can be

> > a

> > > > cause for the fall but how saturn will take a person to hight,

> > coz,

> > > > it's basic property is to harm it's own way.

> > > >

> > > > 2. In saurabh's case, MARS is again debilitated and placed in

> > > > 10'th. It should cause a Raj Yoga, which is not there in his

life

> > as

> > > > of now, may be in future..

> > > >

> > > > My confusion and curiosity is, what such a debilitated mars

w'd

> > > > do for him, or for any person in such a placement. How it will

> > push

> > > > him towards kingly ascendance ?

> > > >

> > > > I have purchased two more books - 1. B.V. Raman's Hindu

Predictive

> > > > Astrology 2. A book written by O.P verma on transits (Not a

good

> > book)

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Much depends on which bhava Saturn owns too. However the

reason

> > is

> > > > plain

> > > > > to see when one looks at the fact that Saturn in the 10th

> > aspects

> > > > the

> > > > > 4th (Sukha and motherland), 7th (spouse/partner/business/

short

> > > > travels)

> > > > > and 12th (expenditure/ distant lands). I am sure you know

that

> > > > aspect of

> > > > > Saturn causes much harm to a bhava, unless it is owned by

> > Saturn,

> > > > and

> > > > > even there, there is some harm to th person represented by

that

> > > > bhava.

> > > > > Saturn himself is slow or lethargic so there is a tendency

on

> > the

> > > > part

> > > > > of the jataka to be a bit lethargic in work. Put this all

> > together

> > > > and

> > > > > what you get is ups and downs in career. For the same

reason it

> > is

> > > > said

> > > > > that for persons with Saturn in the 4th the later part of

their

> > > > life is

> > > > > stressful and they should try to save some moneys in first

half

> > of

> > > > their

> > > > > life to avoid difficulties in later part of life.

> > > > >

> > > > > But as I said that all these are general injunctions and the

> > bhava

> > > > owned

> > > > > by Saturn as also the strength of the relevant Bhava lords

will

> > > > also

> > > > > have to be considered when prediction.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th Saturn takes a

> > person to

> > > > > > steep hight in his career and then a steep fall happens,

what

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen always, i mean if it

is a

> > > > common

> > > > > > phinomina.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In debility it will give problems to the speech and

wealth

> > of

> > > > > > father as

> > > > > > > well as health of mother as 10th does signify that. It

may

> > also

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on the 12th. Not so in

> > > > exaltation,

> > > > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being away from motherland

> > would

> > > > come

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th will be aspecting

its

> > rasi

> > > > of

> > > > > > > debility in 4th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That's a valuable information for me and saurabh, We

have

> > > > another

> > > > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn will give result in

10'th if

> > > > > > > > debilitated and if exalted. Will same kind of

exception be

> > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > there also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The query is related with Career Prospects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility it gives more sorrow than

> > > > pleasure

> > > > > > so in

> > > > > > > > > Aries it will give more problems related to the 7th

> > bhava.

> > > > yet

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be caused as Parashara

tells us

> > > > that raj

> > > > > > > > yoga is

> > > > > > > > > caused by aspect of planets in exaltation or

debility,

> > on

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > happens as the graha in debility is aspecting its

rasi

> > of

> > > > > > > > exaltation in

> > > > > > > > > lagna and causing good results there.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For other malefics they are more malefic when

strong and

> > > > less so

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > weak and malefics, other than Saturn, cause less of

a

> > > > problem by

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > in debility, than when in exaltation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th will allow a male child to

be

> > born

> > > > > > where if

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation the native is more likely to have only

girl

> > > > children

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > be denied children.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s),

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh sat togather to sharpen our

> > basics,

> > > > we

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > books with us : 1. Vedic Astrology Dymistied.

> > > > > > > > > > 2. BPHS

> > > > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Still we felt difficulty in understanding results

of

> > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's and trikons (trines), Like

saturn

> > > > get's

> > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose it's debilitated there means on

> > aeries

> > > > so

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > > > result will differ from it's being exalted there,

i

> > mean

> > > > if

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > libra in 7'th.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet is debilitated mars in 5'th

what

> > > > should

> > > > > > be the

> > > > > > > > > > result.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in another group, one astrologer said that

debilitated

> > > > > > malifics

> > > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj Yoga. I didn't understand in

what

> > > > regard the

> > > > > > > > Raj Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's take the case of debilitated

> > saturn on

> > > > > > 7'th

> > > > > > > > > > (kendra) and debilitated (mars) in 7'th or

debilitated

> > > > sun in

> > > > > > > > 7'th.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

I think your understanding is not right. Let me put it this way, when

malefics are powerful they are more powerful but when Saturn is

powerful it gives least sorrow. So aspects of powerful malefics are

also powerfully malefic and those of powerful Saturn not so malefic.

However when even a powerful Saturn aspects its house of debility it

can harm that bhava as do other malefic grahas. So you have to

distinguish between the aspects on bhavas owned by malefics, those in

which they are in debility , those in which they are exalted, those of

their friends and those of their enemies, to know the varying degrees

of harm possible to those bhavas.

 

In both the paragraphs yo are talking about exalted grahas. I do not

consider rahu and Ketu as being capable of casting their aspects. I

think I have already made this clear in my book.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

Do u mean, aspect of exalted sun/Mars/rahu/ketu on other rashis,

will

be relatively good in context of the other houses and relatively bad

if sun/Mars/rahu/ketu are in debilitation. like,

 

if an exalted Sun/Mars/Rahu/Ketu aspects one's 2nd/4'th/5'th

place,

there may be lesser loss of eye and wealth/mother and lesser chances

of visiting places/ lesser loss of kids or lesser degree of failure

in education etc.. ?

 

For Saturn, results will be opposit to above in context of aspected

house.

 

M i doing a mistake in understanding.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> On its rasi of exaltation the results are generally good whereas

on

> other rasis, for malefics other than Saturn (it is reverse in case

 

of

> Saturn) the malfeasance decreases. For benefics it is the

beneficence

> that decreases on the aspected rasis.

>

> Chandrashekhar

>

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Thanx for the explaining it so clearly, I have one more query

in

my

> > mind, in what way debilitated planet's aspect is different

from

that

> > of it's exaltation or it's moderate placement.

> >

> > will there be a difference or debilitation/exaltation

has no

effect

> > on the their aspecting other houses.

> >

> > I checked it with BVR's book, he has not mentioned this sort

of

case

> > in his book.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

 

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > > Do not forget that Saturn also protects the bhava he

occupies

and

> > the

> > > 10th bhava is its own rasi Makara (Capricorn) in natural

zodiac.

> > Saturn

> > > in the 10th also indicates that the person can be a

leader of a

> > large

> > > group of people. So he can also elevate on in its own

dasha as

far

> > as

> > > karma is concerned.

> > >

> > > Why should Mars in debility in 10th be a raj yoga by

itself? If

you

> > > think it is due to its occupation of its rasi of

debility, you

have

> > also

> > > to remember that it is Dhanesh in the rasi of its

debility, as

also

> > the

> > > 7th lord. It would yet be with digbala and Saurabha

would be

quite

> > an

> > > industrious person. An advantage of mars in debility

would be

that

> > > Saurabh's relations with his mother and father would not

be as

> > strained

> > > as when the 10th had been occupied by an exalted Mars

and he

would

> > also

> > > not be very high tempered. His father would not have as

harsh a

> > tongue

> > > as you would expect with Mars in exaltation in the 10th

bhava.

The

> > fact

> > > of Mars aspecting its rasi of exaltation in 4th could

also

indicate

> > that

> > > Saurabh would get good house and vehicles.

> > >

> > > Please do not confuse raj yoga with kingly ascendancy,

as you

put

> > it.

> > > The raj yogas indicate a much better financial condition

than

what

> > one

> > > is born in. To be a king you need more powerful yogas

and even

> > there the

> > > strength of yogas depends on the parents one is born to.

If the

> > parents

> > > are themselves Kings (or their equivalent in modern

world) even

a

> > weak

> > > yoga could make one a king whereas as the parents go

lower down

the

> > > scale one needs stronger yoga to propel one to the stage

of a

King.

> > >

> > > Do read BVR's book. It will help you clarify some of the

 

confusion

> > about

> > > the nature of grahas and rasis as well as bhavas. But

try to

> > understand

> > > the principles rather than only trying to memorizing the

yogas

by

> > heart.

> > > As explained above mere application of yogas, without

taking

into

> > > consideration why the yogas arise, and other factors

like Desh

> > > (country), Kala (times) and Patra (individual) and

applying

one's

> > sense

> > > of proportion we may end up making wrong predictions.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > With ur's continuous replies, now i understand it

little

better

> > way,

> > > > now 2 queries are left :

> > > >

> > > > 1. If placed in 10'th Saturn being slow causes

delay, this

can be

> > a

> > > > cause for the fall but how saturn will take a

person to hight,

> > coz,

> > > > it's basic property is to harm it's own way.

> > > >

> > > > 2. In saurabh's case, MARS is again debilitated and

placed in

> > > > 10'th. It should cause a Raj Yoga, which is not

there in his

life

> > as

> > > > of now, may be in future..

> > > >

> > > > My confusion and curiosity is, what such a

debilitated mars

w'd

> > > > do for him, or for any person in such a placement.

How it will

> > push

> > > > him towards kingly ascendance ?

> > > >

> > > > I have purchased two more books - 1. B.V. Raman's

Hindu

Predictive

> > > > Astrology 2. A book written by O.P verma on

transits (Not a

good

> > book)

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Much depends on which bhava Saturn owns too.

However the

reason

> > is

> > > > plain

> > > > > to see when one looks at the fact that Saturn

in the 10th

> > aspects

> > > > the

> > > > > 4th (Sukha and motherland), 7th

(spouse/partner/business/

short

> > > > travels)

> > > > > and 12th (expenditure/ distant lands). I am

sure you know

that

> > > > aspect of

> > > > > Saturn causes much harm to a bhava, unless it

is owned by

> > Saturn,

> > > > and

> > > > > even there, there is some harm to th person

represented by

that

> > > > bhava.

> > > > > Saturn himself is slow or lethargic so there

is a tendency

on

> > the

> > > > part

> > > > > of the jataka to be a bit lethargic in work.

Put this all

> > together

> > > > and

> > > > > what you get is ups and downs in career. For

the same

reason it

> > is

> > > > said

> > > > > that for persons with Saturn in the 4th the

later part of

their

> > > > life is

> > > > > stressful and they should try to save some

moneys in first

half

> > of

> > > > their

> > > > > life to avoid difficulties in later part of

life.

> > > > >

> > > > > But as I said that all these are general

injunctions and the

> > bhava

> > > > owned

> > > > > by Saturn as also the strength of the relevant

Bhava lords

will

> > > > also

> > > > > have to be considered when prediction.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rup Sir has written many times that 10'th

Saturn takes a

> > person to

> > > > > > steep hight in his career and then a

steep fall happens,

what

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > reasoning behind it, does it happen

always, i mean if it

is a

> > > > common

> > > > > > phinomina.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In debility it will give problems to

the speech and

wealth

> > of

> > > > > > father as

> > > > > > > well as health of mother as 10th

does signify that. It

may

> > also

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > more expenses due to its aspect on

the 12th. Not so in

> > > > exaltation,

> > > > > > > though lack of Matrisukha or being

away from motherland

> > would

> > > > come

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > as Saturn in exaltation in the 10th

will be aspecting

its

> > rasi

> > > > of

> > > > > > > debility in 4th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That's a valuable information

for me and saurabh, We

have

> > > > another

> > > > > > > > question to ask - How Saturn

will give result in

10'th if

> > > > > > > > debilitated and if exalted.

Will same kind of

exception be

> > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > there also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The query is related with

Career Prospects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Saturn is in debility

it gives more sorrow than

> > > > pleasure

> > > > > > so in

> > > > > > > > > Aries it will give more

problems related to the 7th

> > bhava.

> > > > yet

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > the lagna raj yoga will be

caused as Parashara

tells us

> > > > that raj

> > > > > > > > yoga is

> > > > > > > > > caused by aspect of

planets in exaltation or

debility,

> > on

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > happens as the graha in

debility is aspecting its

rasi

> > of

> > > > > > > > exaltation in

> > > > > > > > > lagna and causing good

results there.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For other malefics they

are more malefic when

strong and

> > > > less so

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > weak and malefics, other

than Saturn, cause less of

a

> > > > problem by

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > in debility, than when in

exaltation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars in debility in 5th

will allow a male child to

be

> > born

> > > > > > where if

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation the native is

more likely to have only

girl

> > > > children

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > be denied children.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir(s),

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Today me and saurabh

sat togather to sharpen our

> > basics,

> > > > we

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > books with us : 1.

Vedic Astrology Dymistied.

> > > > > > > > > > 2. BPHS

> > > > > > > > > > 3. Phal Deepika

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Still we felt

difficulty in understanding results

of

> > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > malifics in kendra's

and trikons (trines), Like

saturn

> > > > get's

> > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > 7'th, and suppose

it's debilitated there means on

> > aeries

> > > > so

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > > > result will differ

from it's being exalted there,

i

> > mean

> > > > if

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > libra in 7'th.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > same is if a planet

is debilitated mars in 5'th

what

> > > > should

> > > > > > be the

> > > > > > > > > > result.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in another group, one

astrologer said that

debilitated

> > > > > > malifics

> > > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > kendras,makes Raj

Yoga. I didn't understand in

what

> > > > regard the

> > > > > > > > Raj Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > w'd be, again let's

take the case of debilitated

> > saturn on

> > > > > > 7'th

> > > > > > > > > > (kendra) and

debilitated (mars) in 7'th or

debilitated

> > > > sun in

> > > > > > > > 7'th.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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