Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Lalit, classics are full of controversies. So there are two options either choose the most accepted views and apply them or accept any classics and apply all rules from that classic only. with regards sushil dikshit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > I expect gurus to examine few horoscope to fix this controversy with > practical findings - Lalit > > Here are a few classical opinions: > > Author > > Node > > Rashi effects > > Vriddha Samhita > > Rahu > > owns Aquarius > > Jyotishamrita > > Rahu > > owns Aquarius > > Vriddha Samhita > > Ketu > > owns Scorpio > > Jyotishamrita > > Ketu > > owns Scorpio > > Veemesaram > > Rahu > > owns Aquarius > > Jatakachintamani > > Rahu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Jatakachintamani > > Ketu > > exalted in Gemini; fallen in Sagittarius > > Veemesaram > > Rahu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Veemesaram > > Ketu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Jatakalankaram > > Rahu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Jatakalankaram > > Ketu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Syama Sangraham > > Rahu > > exalted in Gemini and fallen in Sagittarius > > Syama Sangraham > > Ketu > > exalted in Sagittarius and fallen in Gemini > > Sarvartha Chintamani > > Rahu > > exalted in Taurus; fallen in Scorpio > > Sarvartha Chintamani > > Ketu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Bhavartha Ratnakara > > Rahu > > exalted in Taurus; Gemini and Cancer mulatrikona > > Bhavartha Ratnakara > > Ketu > > exalted in Scorpio; Sagittarius and Capricorn mulatrikona > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Lalit, There is a difference of opinion amongst the sages on the rasis and exaltation rasis of rahu and Ketu. Some consider Virgo to be the own rasi of Rahu and so on. However there is a general agreement that for longevity rahu is considered exalted in Taurus and ketu in Scorpio whereas for other matters Rahu is considered exalted in Gemini and ketu in Sagittarius. Those following Parashara and Jaimini accept Aquarius to be rasi of Rahu and Scorpio to be that of Ketu. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: I expect gurus to examine few horoscope to fix this controversy with practical findings - Lalit Here are a few classical opinions: Author Node Rashi effects Vriddha Samhita Rahu owns Aquarius Jyotishamrita Rahu owns Aquarius Vriddha Samhita Ketu owns Scorpio Jyotishamrita Ketu owns Scorpio Veemesaram Rahu owns Aquarius Jatakachintamani Rahu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Jatakachintamani Ketu exalted in Gemini; fallen in Sagittarius Veemesaram Rahu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Veemesaram Ketu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Jatakalankaram Rahu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Jatakalankaram Ketu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Syama Sangraham Rahu exalted in Gemini and fallen in Sagittarius Syama Sangraham Ketu exalted in Sagittarius and fallen in Gemini Sarvartha Chintamani Rahu exalted in Taurus; fallen in Scorpio Sarvartha Chintamani Ketu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Bhavartha Ratnakara Rahu exalted in Taurus; Gemini and Cancer mulatrikona Bhavartha Ratnakara Ketu exalted in Scorpio; Sagittarius and Capricorn mulatrikona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Dear Lalit, As you have rightly if we go through the available references, we could find that almost all the 12 signs are attributed to Own sign, exaltation or Debilitation of Rahu or Ketu by one or the other. But note that there is NO RISHI HORAS among the texts quoted. As per Rishi horas (such as Skanda Hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Vasishta Hora, Kausika Hora etc) Rahu and Ketu CANNOT have own house, signs of exaltation/debilitation because they are shadow planets; Agu - the one without rays. I hope that is simple and clear and an opinion better supported by ancient classics. Further there is no point in assigning own house to some other planet since the Dwitwa (Siva-Sakti / Male-Female) is represented Sun-Moon and the 5 tatwas by 5 planets. Skanda hora says "Ete sapta su visranta Yoga Sarve Mayodita" (All combinations I, Skanda, speak of here are based on 7 planets alone)". So they were pretty clear about their foundations. The foundations began to cripple, and the new absurdities such as assigning own house, exaltation, debilitation etc to Rahu-Ketu and so on came into place. Possibly this is what happened. Love, Sreenadh I expect gurus to examine few horoscope to fix this controversy with practical findings - Lalit Here are a few classical opinions: Author Node Rashi effects Vriddha Samhita Rahu owns Aquarius Jyotishamrita Rahu owns Aquarius Vriddha Samhita Ketu owns Scorpio Jyotishamrita Ketu owns Scorpio Veemesaram Rahu owns Aquarius Jatakachintamani Rahu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Jatakachintamani Ketu exalted in Gemini; fallen in Sagittarius Veemesaram Rahu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Veemesaram Ketu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Jatakalankaram Rahu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Jatakalankaram Ketu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Syama Sangraham Rahu exalted in Gemini and fallen in Sagittarius Syama Sangraham Ketu exalted in Sagittarius and fallen in Gemini Sarvartha Chintamani Rahu exalted in Taurus; fallen in Scorpio Sarvartha Chintamani Ketu exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus Bhavartha Ratnakara Rahu exalted in Taurus; Gemini and Cancer mulatrikona Bhavartha Ratnakara Ketu exalted in Scorpio; Sagittarius and Capricorn mulatrikona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 NO not this way..... I w'd like you and other membes to discuss at least 10 - 12 horoscopes to reach on any conclusion, It's not the right way to say what is said by one sage is true and what is said by other is wrong. We should check it with the help of horoscopes, I w'd like to end this sort of controversies forever. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Lalit, > > As you have rightly if we go through the available references, we > could find that almost all the 12 signs are attributed to Own sign, > exaltation or Debilitation of Rahu or Ketu by one or the other. But > note that there is NO RISHI HORAS among the texts quoted. As per Rishi > horas (such as Skanda Hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Vasishta Hora, Kausika > Hora etc) Rahu and Ketu CANNOT have own house, signs of > exaltation/debilitation because they are shadow planets; Agu - the one > without rays. I hope that is simple and clear and an opinion better > supported by ancient classics. Further there is no point in assigning > own house to some other planet since the Dwitwa (Siva-Sakti / > Male-Female) is represented Sun-Moon and the 5 tatwas by 5 planets. > Skanda hora says " Ete sapta su visranta Yoga Sarve Mayodita " (All > combinations I, Skanda, speak of here are based on 7 planets alone) " . So > they were pretty clear about their foundations. The foundations began to > cripple, and the new absurdities such as assigning own house, > exaltation, debilitation etc to Rahu-Ketu and so on came into place. > Possibly this is what happened. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > I expect gurus to examine few horoscope to fix this controversy with > practical findings - Lalit > > Here are a few classical opinions: > > Author > > Node > > Rashi effects > > Vriddha Samhita > > Rahu > > owns Aquarius > > Jyotishamrita > > Rahu > > owns Aquarius > > Vriddha Samhita > > Ketu > > owns Scorpio > > Jyotishamrita > > Ketu > > owns Scorpio > > Veemesaram > > Rahu > > owns Aquarius > > Jatakachintamani > > Rahu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Jatakachintamani > > Ketu > > exalted in Gemini; fallen in Sagittarius > > Veemesaram > > Rahu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Veemesaram > > Ketu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Jatakalankaram > > Rahu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Jatakalankaram > > Ketu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Syama Sangraham > > Rahu > > exalted in Gemini and fallen in Sagittarius > > Syama Sangraham > > Ketu > > exalted in Sagittarius and fallen in Gemini > > Sarvartha Chintamani > > Rahu > > exalted in Taurus; fallen in Scorpio > > Sarvartha Chintamani > > Ketu > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > Bhavartha Ratnakara > > Rahu > > exalted in Taurus; Gemini and Cancer mulatrikona > > Bhavartha Ratnakara > > Ketu > > exalted in Scorpio; Sagittarius and Capricorn mulatrikona > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Dear Lalit, ==> > I w'd like to end this sort of controversies forever. <== There is a simple rule that applies to many things. " To reach the destination fast you should take the shortest rute " If you are a practical astrologer, you will see that, the possible paths are - Path -1 ------- 1) Clear the doubts by studying and deriving clear-cut logical derivation based on most authentic classics. 2) Verify the truthfulness of those logical conclusions by applying them in charts. * This is a shortest path * Path -2 ------- 1) Totally get confused by the verity of references; Don't think, but only see things that are just before the eyes. 2) Try verifying all the available references in 1000 charts, considering all the possible paths. Then get confused, whether the intervening variables caused trouble or not. 3) Go back to authentic (? – they would be in doubt) classics and try referring it there to make sure that the half baked conclusions (confusions!) are present there or not. * This another path* I won't say that that even the second is the longest path, because there are many experts in finding a path longer than that! But the above 2 paths are the most common roads taken - the first by a handful of people and the second by many. It is always our choice to make, which path to take. Love, Sreenadh Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > NO not this way..... > > I w'd like you and other membes to discuss at least 10 - 12 > horoscopes to reach on any conclusion, It's not the right way to say > what is said by one sage is true and what is said by other is wrong. > > We should check it with the help of horoscopes, I w'd like to end > this sort of controversies forever. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > As you have rightly if we go through the available references, > we > > could find that almost all the 12 signs are attributed to Own sign, > > exaltation or Debilitation of Rahu or Ketu by one or the other. > But > > note that there is NO RISHI HORAS among the texts quoted. As per > Rishi > > horas (such as Skanda Hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Vasishta Hora, > Kausika > > Hora etc) Rahu and Ketu CANNOT have own house, signs of > > exaltation/debilitation because they are shadow planets; Agu - the > one > > without rays. I hope that is simple and clear and an opinion better > > supported by ancient classics. Further there is no point in > assigning > > own house to some other planet since the Dwitwa (Siva-Sakti / > > Male-Female) is represented Sun-Moon and the 5 tatwas by 5 planets. > > Skanda hora says " Ete sapta su visranta Yoga Sarve Mayodita " (All > > combinations I, Skanda, speak of here are based on 7 planets > alone) " . So > > they were pretty clear about their foundations. The foundations > began to > > cripple, and the new absurdities such as assigning own house, > > exaltation, debilitation etc to Rahu-Ketu and so on came into place. > > Possibly this is what happened. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > I expect gurus to examine few horoscope to fix this controversy with > > practical findings - Lalit > > > > Here are a few classical opinions: > > > > Author > > > > Node > > > > Rashi effects > > > > Vriddha Samhita > > > > Rahu > > > > owns Aquarius > > > > Jyotishamrita > > > > Rahu > > > > owns Aquarius > > > > Vriddha Samhita > > > > Ketu > > > > owns Scorpio > > > > Jyotishamrita > > > > Ketu > > > > owns Scorpio > > > > Veemesaram > > > > Rahu > > > > owns Aquarius > > > > Jatakachintamani > > > > Rahu > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > Jatakachintamani > > > > Ketu > > > > exalted in Gemini; fallen in Sagittarius > > > > Veemesaram > > > > Rahu > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > Veemesaram > > > > Ketu > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > Jatakalankaram > > > > Rahu > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > Jatakalankaram > > > > Ketu > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > Syama Sangraham > > > > Rahu > > > > exalted in Gemini and fallen in Sagittarius > > > > Syama Sangraham > > > > Ketu > > > > exalted in Sagittarius and fallen in Gemini > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani > > > > Rahu > > > > exalted in Taurus; fallen in Scorpio > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani > > > > Ketu > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > Bhavartha Ratnakara > > > > Rahu > > > > exalted in Taurus; Gemini and Cancer mulatrikona > > > > Bhavartha Ratnakara > > > > Ketu > > > > exalted in Scorpio; Sagittarius and Capricorn mulatrikona > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Dear Srinadh, From you and others what is expected is judgement of horoscope against classic u most depend/appreciate, How to reach a conclusion is known to us. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > ==> > > I w'd like to end this sort of controversies forever. > <== > There is a simple rule that applies to many things. > " To reach the destination fast you should take the shortest rute " > If you are a practical astrologer, you will see that, the possible > paths are - > Path -1 > ------- > 1) Clear the doubts by studying and deriving clear-cut logical > derivation based on most authentic classics. > 2) Verify the truthfulness of those logical conclusions by applying > them in charts. > * This is a shortest path * > Path -2 > ------- > 1) Totally get confused by the verity of references; Don't think, > but only see things that are just before the eyes. > 2) Try verifying all the available references in 1000 charts, > considering all the possible paths. Then get confused, whether the > intervening variables caused trouble or not. > 3) Go back to authentic (? – they would be in doubt) classics and > try referring it there to make sure that the half baked conclusions > (confusions!) are present there or not. > * This another path* > > I won't say that that even the second is the longest path, because > there are many experts in finding a path longer than that! But the > above 2 paths are the most common roads taken - the first by a > handful of people and the second by many. It is always our choice to > make, which path to take. > Love, > Sreenadh > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > NO not this way..... > > > > I w'd like you and other membes to discuss at least 10 - 12 > > horoscopes to reach on any conclusion, It's not the right way to > say > > what is said by one sage is true and what is said by other is wrong. > > > > We should check it with the help of horoscopes, I w'd like to end > > this sort of controversies forever. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > As you have rightly if we go through the available > references, > > we > > > could find that almost all the 12 signs are attributed to Own > sign, > > > exaltation or Debilitation of Rahu or Ketu by one or the > other. > > But > > > note that there is NO RISHI HORAS among the texts quoted. As per > > Rishi > > > horas (such as Skanda Hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Vasishta Hora, > > Kausika > > > Hora etc) Rahu and Ketu CANNOT have own house, signs of > > > exaltation/debilitation because they are shadow planets; Agu - > the > > one > > > without rays. I hope that is simple and clear and an opinion > better > > > supported by ancient classics. Further there is no point in > > assigning > > > own house to some other planet since the Dwitwa (Siva-Sakti / > > > Male-Female) is represented Sun-Moon and the 5 tatwas by 5 > planets. > > > Skanda hora says " Ete sapta su visranta Yoga Sarve Mayodita " (All > > > combinations I, Skanda, speak of here are based on 7 planets > > alone) " . So > > > they were pretty clear about their foundations. The foundations > > began to > > > cripple, and the new absurdities such as assigning own house, > > > exaltation, debilitation etc to Rahu-Ketu and so on came into > place. > > > Possibly this is what happened. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > I expect gurus to examine few horoscope to fix this controversy > with > > > practical findings - Lalit > > > > > > Here are a few classical opinions: > > > > > > Author > > > > > > Node > > > > > > Rashi effects > > > > > > Vriddha Samhita > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > owns Aquarius > > > > > > Jyotishamrita > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > owns Aquarius > > > > > > Vriddha Samhita > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > owns Scorpio > > > > > > Jyotishamrita > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > owns Scorpio > > > > > > Veemesaram > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > owns Aquarius > > > > > > Jatakachintamani > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > > > Jatakachintamani > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > exalted in Gemini; fallen in Sagittarius > > > > > > Veemesaram > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > > > Veemesaram > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > > > Jatakalankaram > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > > > Jatakalankaram > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > > > Syama Sangraham > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > exalted in Gemini and fallen in Sagittarius > > > > > > Syama Sangraham > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > exalted in Sagittarius and fallen in Gemini > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > exalted in Taurus; fallen in Scorpio > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > exalted in Scorpio; fallen in Taurus > > > > > > Bhavartha Ratnakara > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > exalted in Taurus; Gemini and Cancer mulatrikona > > > > > > Bhavartha Ratnakara > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > exalted in Scorpio; Sagittarius and Capricorn mulatrikona > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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