Vakri planets and Atamakarka

October 7, 2007

Dear kamal ji .

Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is universal atmakaraka

and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power from sun who is controller of all atmas.

regrds sunil nair.

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Aavesh,> > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has Saturn as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has exalted Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own house and 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart have better results.> > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the charts and found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have Rahu as AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but find that rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who have same inner desires.> > Hare Rama Krsna> > sincerely> > kamal>

October 7, 2007

I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara karaka

scheme, option.

Chandrashekhar.

sunil nair wrote:

Dear kamal ji .

Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul

indicater ),imagine sun is universal atmakaraka

and the other planets in chart

derive all power from sun ,so only planets with physical bodies can

become atmakarak or derive power from sun who is controller of all

atmas.

regrds sunil nair.

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic

Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:

>

> Dear Aavesh,

>

> Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has Saturn

as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in

Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has exalted

Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own house and

12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart have

better results.

>

> 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the charts

and found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have Rahu as

AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but find that

rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.

>

> My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more

likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who have same

inner desires.

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> sincerely

>

> kamal

>

October 7, 2007

Hare krishna,

dear chandra sekhar ji .

Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and may be an interpolation in astrological treatise .

If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas which r only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and important points i discussed in previous mail

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara karaka > scheme, option.> Chandrashekhar.> > sunil nair wrote:> >> > Dear kamal ji .> >> > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is > > universal atmakaraka> >> > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power from > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> >> > > >> > regrds sunil nair.> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> >> > > >> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Aavesh,> > >> > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has Saturn > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has exalted > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own house and > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart have > > better results.> > >> > >> > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the charts and > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have Rahu as > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but find that > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.> > >> > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who have same > > inner desires.> > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > >> > > sincerely> > >> > > kamal> > >> >> >>

October 7, 2007

Dear Sunil,

But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH

SaptamanaaMaSTamaanaaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada 1, of Jaimini

sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that away,

though my personal opinion may be different.

Chandrashekhar.

sunil nair wrote:

Hare krishna,

dear chandra sekhar ji .

Yes ,i was saying that 8

charakaraka scheme is absurd and may be an interpolation in

astrological treatise .

If rahu can be given then why not

ketu and other upa grahas which r only mathermatical in nature ,this

question may arise and important points i discussed in previous mail

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara karaka

> scheme, option.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> sunil nair wrote:

> >

> > Dear kamal ji .

> >

> > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is

> > universal atmakaraka

> >

> > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so

only

> > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive

power from

> > sun who is controller of all atmas.

> >

> > regrds sunil nair.

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"Vedic Learner"

> > sightsolutions@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Aavesh,

> > >

> > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who

has Saturn

> > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro

in

> > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who

has exalted

> > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own

house and

> > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls

chart have

> > better results.

> > >

> > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both

the charts and

> > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have

Rahu as

> > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but

find that

> > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.

> > >

> > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets

are more

> > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who

have same

> > inner desires.

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > >

> > > sincerely

> > >

> > > kamal

> > >

> >

>

October 8, 2007

Hare ramakrishna

dear chandra sekhar ji .

I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus .

Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH > SaptamanaaMaSTamaanaaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada 1, of Jaimini > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that away, > though my personal opinion may be different.> > Chandrashekhar.> > sunil nair wrote:> >> > Hare krishna,> >> > dear chandra sekhar ji .> >> > > >> > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and may be > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> >> > > >> > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas which r > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and important > > points i discussed in previous mail> >> > > >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> >> > > >> > > >> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara karaka> > > scheme, option.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > sunil nair wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > >> > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is> > > > universal atmakaraka> > > >> > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only> > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power > > from> > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner"> > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > >> > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has Saturn> > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in> > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has > > exalted> > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own house and> > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart have> > > > better results.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the charts > > and> > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have Rahu as> > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but find that> > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.> > > > >> > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more> > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who have same> > > > inner desires.> > > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > >> > > > > sincerely> > > > >> > > > > kamal> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

October 8, 2007

Dear Sunil,

I am taking from what is from chara karaka which uses 8 planets all except Ketu. It is in both Parashar light and J hora and teachings of Sanjay Rath.

thanks

kamal

-

sunil nair

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:30 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka

Dear kamal ji .

Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is universal atmakaraka

and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power from sun who is controller of all atmas.

regrds sunil nair.

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Aavesh,> > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has Saturn as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has exalted Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own house and 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart have better results.> > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the charts and found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have Rahu as AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but find that rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who have same inner desires.> > Hare Rama Krsna> > sincerely> > kamal>

October 8, 2007

That is correct

kamal

-

Chandrashekhar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:34 PM

Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka

I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara karaka scheme, option.Chandrashekhar.sunil nair wrote:

Dear kamal ji .

Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is universal atmakaraka

and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power from sun who is controller of all atmas.

regrds sunil nair.

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Aavesh,> > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has Saturn as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has exalted Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own house and 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart have better results.> > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the charts and found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have Rahu as AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but find that rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who have same inner desires.> > Hare Rama Krsna> > sincerely> > kamal>

October 9, 2007

Hare ramakrishna

dear kamal ji.

i am aware of the 8 scheme of chara karakas.

But use ur logic ,If sun is generaly accepted as universal atmakaraka ,then how can u giv chara karakatwa to rahu as Ak or Dk .

There is lot of interpolation in literature.

use ur brain and experience .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > I am taking from what is from chara karaka which uses 8 planets all except Ketu. It is in both Parashar light and J hora and teachings of Sanjay Rath.> > thanks> > kamal> > - > sunil nair > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:30 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka> > > > Dear kamal ji .> > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is universal atmakaraka> > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power from sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > regrds sunil nair.> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" sightsolutions@ wrote:> >> > Dear Aavesh,> > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has Saturn as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has exalted Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own house and 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart have better results.> > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the charts and found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have Rahu as AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but find that rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who have same inner desires.> > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > sincerely> > > > kamal> >>

October 9, 2007

Dear Sunil,

It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a rasi is

the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 karakas".

Chandrashekhar.

sunil nair wrote:

Hare ramakrishna

dear chandra sekhar ji .

I dont know sanskrit as

what ever i learned is from gurus .

Can u translate the sloka and giv

explanation

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH

> SaptamanaaMaSTamaanaaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada 1,

of Jaimini

> sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that away,

> though my personal opinion may be different.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> sunil nair wrote:

> >

> > Hare krishna,

> >

> > dear chandra sekhar ji .

> >

> > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and may

be

> > an interpolation in astrological treatise .

> >

> > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas

which r

> > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and

important

> > points i discussed in previous mail

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8

chara karaka

> > > scheme, option.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > sunil nair wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear kamal ji .

> > > >

> > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater

),imagine sun is

> > > > universal atmakaraka

> > > >

> > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power

from sun ,so only

> > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak

or derive power

> > from

> > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair.

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"Vedic Learner"

> > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Aavesh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have

friend who has Saturn

> > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated

and retro in

> > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends

daughter who has

> > exalted

> > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in

Capricorn (own house and

> > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the

girls chart have

> > > > better results.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked

at both the charts

> > and

> > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and

daughter have Rahu as

> > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of

chart but find that

> > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on

probability.

> > > > >

> > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow

moving planets are more

> > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close

to me who have same

> > > > inner desires.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely

> > > > >

> > > > > kamal

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2007

hare ramakrishna,

Respected chandra sekhar ji .

I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It cannot be both 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme.

We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls let me know the chart with some back ground information .here i am looking for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in lagna has a purticular result.

regrds sunil nair.

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a rasi is > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 karakas".> Chandrashekhar.> > sunil nair wrote:> >> > Hare ramakrishna> >> > dear chandra sekhar ji .> >> > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus .> >> > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> >> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH> > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaanaaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada 1, of Jaimini> > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that away,> > > though my personal opinion may be different.> > >> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > sunil nair wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare krishna,> > > >> > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and may be> > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas which r> > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and important> > > > points i discussed in previous mail> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara karaka> > > > > scheme, option.> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > > > >> > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is> > > > > > universal atmakaraka> > > > > >> > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only> > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power> > > > from> > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner"> > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has > > Saturn> > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in> > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has> > > > exalted> > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own > > house and> > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart > > have> > > > > > better results.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the > > charts> > > > and> > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have > > Rahu as> > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but > > find that> > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more> > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who > > have same> > > > > > inner desires.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

October 10, 2007

Dear Sunil,

Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers

Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to be

considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how

rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is to

be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-kala samya

(equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many opinions

and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By definition

the karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a

charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can certainly

be taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually

tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage

does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.

I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna and

navamsha lagna.

take care,

Chandrashekhar.

sunil nair wrote:

hare ramakrishna,

Respected chandra sekhar ji .

I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes

can be given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal

opinion also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many

charts with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It cannot

be both 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme.

We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa

lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls

let me know the chart with some back ground information .here i am

looking for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak

in lagna has a purticular result.

regrds sunil nair.

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekh ar wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

> It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a rasi

is

> the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8

karakas".

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> sunil nair wrote:

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna

> >

> > dear chandra sekhar ji .

> >

> > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus .

> >

> > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

Chandrashekhar

> > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna

bhogaH

> > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1,

Pada 1, of Jaimini

> > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw

that away,

> > > though my personal opinion may be different.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > sunil nair wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare krishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .

> > > >

> > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is

absurd and may be

> > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .

> > > >

> > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other

upa grahas which r

> > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may

arise and important

> > > > points i discussed in previous mail

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka

with 8 chara karaka

> > > > > scheme, option.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear kamal ji .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul

indicater ),imagine sun is

> > > > > > universal atmakaraka

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all

power from sun ,so only

> > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become

atmakarak or derive power

> > > > from

> > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com, "Vedic Learner"

> > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like

me. I have friend who has

> > Saturn

> > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and

Debilitated and retro in

> > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my

friends daughter who has

> > > > exalted

> > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is

in Capricorn (own

> > house and

> > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results

should the girls chart

> > have

> > > > > > better results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail

I looked at both the

> > charts

> > > > and

> > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife

and daughter have

> > Rahu as

> > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big

collection of chart but

> > find that

> > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect

on probability.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or

slow moving planets are more

> > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar

people close to me who

> > have same

> > > > > > inner desires.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sincerely

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kamal

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2007

Dear Sunil and Chadra Shekar

I have two charts with Rahu as AK and in lagna in rasi not nvasma and further two aspecting and with AK.

Pl tell what is the significance of Rahu as AK and in Lagna or for that matter any planet as AK and in lagna either Rashi or Navamsa

Sanjay Rath states if #

If AK is in navamsa Lagna, the native belongs to a royal family/ is of

noble birth and lineage. If navamsa Lagna Lord conjoins AK, then the native,

although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank equal to a king. If the AK

aspects navamsa Lagna, then Royal association shall be present from birth.

The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun) should be strong to indicate the extent

of Rajyoga.#

thanks

ka

-

Chandrashekhar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:23 PM

Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka

Dear Sunil,Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to be considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is to be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-kala samya (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many opinions and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By definition the karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can certainly be taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna and navamsha lagna.take care,Chandrashekhar.sunil nair wrote:

hare ramakrishna,

Respected chandra sekhar ji .

I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It cannot be both 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme.

We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls let me know the chart with some back ground information .here i am looking for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in lagna has a purticular result.

regrds sunil nair.

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a rasi is > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 karakas".> Chandrashekhar.> > sunil nair wrote:> >> > Hare ramakrishna> >> > dear chandra sekhar ji .> >> > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus .> >> > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> >> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH> > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada 1, of Jaimini> > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that away,> > > though my personal opinion may be different.> > >> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > sunil nair wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare krishna,> > > >> > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and may be> > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas which r> > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and important> > > > points i discussed in previous mail> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara karaka> > > > > scheme, option.> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > > > >> > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is> > > > > > universal atmakaraka> > > > > >> > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only> > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power> > > > from> > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Vedic Learner"> > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has > > Saturn> > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in> > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has> > > > exalted> > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own > > house and> > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart > > have> > > > > > better results.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the > > charts> > > > and> > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have > > Rahu as> > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but > > find that> > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more> > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who > > have same> > > > > > inner desires.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

October 10, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear kamal ,

dent me the chart with some back ground informations abt status b4 and now .

I will explain later .

If navamsa lagna lord conjoins Ak native rises to high rank irrespective of humble begining --hav u seen any body with rahu as AK and i hope he is discussing it with rahu with navamsa lagna lord in rasi chart and not in navamsa chart ,if so i hav a chart where he is not reached any position yet.

regrds sunil nair.

Om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Sunil and Chadra Shekar> > I have two charts with Rahu as AK and in lagna in rasi not nvasma and further two aspecting and with AK.> > Pl tell what is the significance of Rahu as AK and in Lagna or for that matter any planet as AK and in lagna either Rashi or Navamsa> > Sanjay Rath states if #> If AK is in navamsa Lagna, the native belongs to a royal family/ is of> > noble birth and lineage. If navamsa Lagna Lord conjoins AK, then the native,> > although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank equal to a king. If the AK> > aspects navamsa Lagna, then Royal association shall be present from birth.> > The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun) should be strong to indicate the extent> > of Rajyoga.#> > > thanks> > ka> - > Chandrashekhar > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:23 PM> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka> > > Dear Sunil,> > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to be considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is to be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-kala samya (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many opinions and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By definition the karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can certainly be taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.> > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna and navamsha lagna.> > take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > sunil nair wrote: > > hare ramakrishna, > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It cannot be both 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls let me know the chart with some back ground information .here i am looking for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in lagna has a purticular result. > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a rasi is > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 karakas".> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > sunil nair wrote:> > >> > > Hare ramakrishna> > >> > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > >> > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus .> > >> > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > >> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil,> > > >> > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH> > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada 1, of Jaimini> > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that away,> > > > though my personal opinion may be different.> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > >> > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and may be> > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas which r> > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and important> > > > > points i discussed in previous mail> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara karaka> > > > > > scheme, option.> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is> > > > > > > universal atmakaraka> > > > > > >> > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun ,so only> > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or derive power> > > > > from> > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Vedic Learner"> > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has > > > Saturn> > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and retro in> > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has> > > > > exalted> > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own > > > house and> > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls chart > > > have> > > > > > > better results.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the > > > charts> > > > > and> > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have > > > Rahu as> > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but > > > find that> > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets are more> > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who > > > have same> > > > > > > inner desires.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >>

October 10, 2007

Dear Sunil Ji,

Pls. discuss the case with birth records.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna,

>

> dear kamal ,

>

> dent me the chart with some back ground informations abt status b4

and

> now .

>

> I will explain later .

>

> If navamsa lagna lord conjoins Ak native rises to high rank

> irrespective of humble begining --hav u seen any body with rahu as

AK

> and i hope he is discussing it with rahu with navamsa lagna lord in

rasi

> chart and not in navamsa chart ,if so i hav a chart where he is not

> reached any position yet.

>

> regrds sunil nair.

>

> Om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner "

> <sightsolutions@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil and Chadra Shekar

> >

> > I have two charts with Rahu as AK and in lagna in rasi not nvasma

and

> further two aspecting and with AK.

> >

> > Pl tell what is the significance of Rahu as AK and in Lagna or for

> that matter any planet as AK and in lagna either Rashi or Navamsa

> >

> > Sanjay Rath states if #

> > If AK is in navamsa Lagna, the native belongs to a royal family/

is of

> >

> > noble birth and lineage. If navamsa Lagna Lord conjoins AK, then

the

> native,

> >

> > although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank equal to a

king.

> If the AK

> >

> > aspects navamsa Lagna, then Royal association shall be present

from

> birth.

> >

> > The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun) should be strong to

indicate the

> extent

> >

> > of Rajyoga.#

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > ka

> > -

> > Chandrashekhar

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:23 PM

> > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and

> Atamakarka

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers

> Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to

be

> considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how

> rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is

to

> be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-kala

samya

> (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many

opinions

> and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By

definition the

> karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a

> charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can

certainly be

> taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually

> tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the

sage

> does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.

> >

> > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna

and

> navamsha lagna.

> >

> > take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > sunil nair wrote:

> >

> > hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > Respected chandra sekhar ji .

> >

> > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be

given

> any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion

also .Even

> i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts with rahu

as

> AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It cannot be both 7 karaka

and 8

> karaka scheme.

> >

> > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa

> lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls

let me

> know the chart with some back ground information .here i am looking

for

> charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in

lagna has

> a purticular result.

> >

> > regrds sunil nair.

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > It means that " the planet who has traversed most degrees in a

rasi

> is

> > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8

> karakas " .

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > sunil nair wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > >

> > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .

> > > >

> > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus .

> > > >

> > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH

> > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada

1, of

> Jaimini

> > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that

> away,

> > > > > though my personal opinion may be different.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare krishna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and

may

> be

> > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa

grahas

> which r

> > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and

> important

> > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8

chara

> karaka

> > > > > > > scheme, option.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine

sun

> is

> > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from

sun

> ,so only

> > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or

> derive power

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@

s.com, " Vedic

> Learner "

> > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend

who

> has

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and

> retro in

> > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends

daughter who

> has

> > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn

(own

> > > > house and

> > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the

girls

> chart

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > better results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at

both

> the

> > > > charts

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter

> have

> > > > Rahu as

> > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of

chart

> but

> > > > find that

> > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on

probability.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving

planets

> are more

> > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to

me

> who

> > > > have same

> > > > > > > > inner desires.

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October 10, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

respected chandrasekhar ji .

Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which scheme .

I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is going wrong ( i mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate the other results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods with rahu as AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we hav to take both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so many charts as much as possible and delinate results .

I am worried abt the interpolations happened in parasari ,a rishi who might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas reference in new testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) .

Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other members who r not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to be > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is to > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-kala samya > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many opinions > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By definition the > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can certainly be > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.> > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna and > navamsha lagna.> > take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > sunil nair wrote:> >> > hare ramakrishna,> >> > Respected chandra sekhar ji .> >> > > >> > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It cannot be both > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme.> >> > > >> > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls let > > me know the chart with some back ground information .here i am looking > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in > > lagna has a purticular result.> >> > > >> > regrds sunil nair.> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> > > >> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > > It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a rasi is> > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 karakas".> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > sunil nair wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > >> > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > >> > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus .> > > >> > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > >> > > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH> > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada 1, of > > Jaimini> > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that away,> > > > > though my personal opinion may be different.> > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > > >> > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and may be> > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas > > which r> > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and > > important> > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara > > karaka> > > > > > > scheme, option.> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine sun is> > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun > > ,so only> > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or > > derive power> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Vedic > > Learner"> > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend who has> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and > > retro in> > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter who has> > > > > > exalted> > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own> > > > house and> > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls > > chart> > > > have> > > > > > > > better results.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at both the> > > > charts> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter have> > > > Rahu as> > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of chart but> > > > find that> > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets > > are more> > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to me who> > > > have same> > > > > > > > inner desires.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

October 10, 2007

Dear Sunil

I read this from this web link. the charts I have it is in Lagna and aspecting Lagna not Navamsa. i will attcahed J hora chart. Is there a way to attach Parashara light charts

http://srath.com/lessons/advanced/ak.htm

kamal

In the poeple

October 10, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear kamal ji ,

Pls provide the dates and dont attach any charts as i will not open any attachment ,so pls post complete data for further discussions.

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Sunil > > I read this from this web link. the charts I have it is in Lagna and aspecting Lagna not Navamsa. i will attcahed J hora chart. Is there a way to attach Parashara light charts> > http://srath.com/lessons/advanced/ak.htm> > > kamal> In the poeple>

October 10, 2007

Dear sunil

pl find the data

D Female Manchester England Feb 18,1983 12:30:00 LMTL Female New Delhi Delhi India Oct 25,1961 02:36:00 LMT

I know these two people. They have what can be called as fortunate people with out any extra ordinary achievements. In case of D she has 2 or 4 exalted planets while L has 3 debilitated planets.

Just one request. I am there to learn. I am very beginner in the field. What is given in Sanjay Rath site is also given in Visti Larsen book ( as one would expect)

If you need any sp information about these people pl ask me

kamal

October 11, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear kamal ji .

as far as the london girl ,is her lagna degree is 13 degree 47 and tell me any day lite saving is there .

I done and see the charts tell me abt the family back ground at the time of their birth and after .when it has take off .

I will giv u one chart which again rahu is AK under the *CK scheme and with mars the navamsa lagna lord mars and aspecting lagna lord and lagna in rasi chart .

9th may 1963 and 11.57 PM at trichur dst ,kerala state south india .

Though born in royal family now struggling to hand to mouth ,he is my known person .

If its what u quoted as AK with navamsa lagna lord ----

pls confirm

regrds sunil nair

om shreem maha laxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear sunil > > pl find the data> > > D Female Manchester England Feb 18,1983 12:30:00 LMT> L Female New Delhi Delhi India Oct 25,1961 02:36:00 LMT> > I know these two people. They have what can be called as fortunate people with out any extra ordinary achievements. In case of D she has 2 or 4 exalted planets while L has 3 debilitated planets.> > Just one request. I am there to learn. I am very beginner in the field. What is given in Sanjay Rath site is also given in Visti Larsen book ( as one would expect)> > If you need any sp information about these people pl ask me> > > kamal>

October 11, 2007

Dear Sunil

i am getting Lagna 14-22 by Parashara light using Lahir. In Feb there is no DST time used is GMT. At the time of birth farther was still training after her birth obviously family progressed fanancially.she two siblings youger. She is graduate still looking for proper careeer.

BTW for Rahu and Ketu which one you treat as Exalt and Mooltrikon

kamal

-

sunil nair

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:11 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka

Hare ramakrishna,

dear kamal ji .

as far as the london girl ,is her lagna degree is 13 degree 47 and tell me any day lite saving is there .

I done and see the charts tell me abt the family back ground at the time of their birth and after .when it has take off .

I will giv u one chart which again rahu is AK under the *CK scheme and with mars the navamsa lagna lord mars and aspecting lagna lord and lagna in rasi chart .

9th may 1963 and 11.57 PM at trichur dst ,kerala state south india .

Though born in royal family now struggling to hand to mouth ,he is my known person .

If its what u quoted as AK with navamsa lagna lord ----

pls confirm

regrds sunil nair

om shreem maha laxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear sunil > > pl find the data> > > D Female Manchester England Feb 18,1983 12:30:00 LMT> L Female New Delhi Delhi India Oct 25,1961 02:36:00 LMT> > I know these two people. They have what can be called as fortunate people with out any extra ordinary achievements. In case of D she has 2 or 4 exalted planets while L has 3 debilitated planets.> > Just one request. I am there to learn. I am very beginner in the field. What is given in Sanjay Rath site is also given in Visti Larsen book ( as one would expect)> > If you need any sp information about these people pl ask me> > > kamal>

October 11, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear kamal ji ,

i dont take generaly the exaltation or debilation signs for rahu and ketu ,and only sees the influence s of other planets with karakas and also in dasa i take house lords results and its nakshatra placement .

Pls tell me abt the other delhi girl also .

do u done the chart of kerala man i posted .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Sunil> > i am getting Lagna 14-22 by Parashara light using Lahir. In Feb there is no DST time used is GMT. At the time of birth farther was still training after her birth obviously family progressed fanancially.she two siblings youger. She is graduate still looking for proper careeer.> > > BTW for Rahu and Ketu which one you treat as Exalt and Mooltrikon> kamal> - > sunil nair > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:11 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear kamal ji .> > as far as the london girl ,is her lagna degree is 13 degree 47 and tell me any day lite saving is there .> > I done and see the charts tell me abt the family back ground at the time of their birth and after .when it has take off .> > I will giv u one chart which again rahu is AK under the *CK scheme and with mars the navamsa lagna lord mars and aspecting lagna lord and lagna in rasi chart .> > 9th may 1963 and 11.57 PM at trichur dst ,kerala state south india .> > Though born in royal family now struggling to hand to mouth ,he is my known person .> > If its what u quoted as AK with navamsa lagna lord ----> > pls confirm > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem maha laxmai namah.> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" sightsolutions@ wrote:> >> > Dear sunil > > > > pl find the data> > > > > > D Female Manchester England Feb 18,1983 12:30:00 LMT> > L Female New Delhi Delhi India Oct 25,1961 02:36:00 LMT> > > > I know these two people. They have what can be called as fortunate people with out any extra ordinary achievements. In case of D she has 2 or 4 exalted planets while L has 3 debilitated planets.> > > > Just one request. I am there to learn. I am very beginner in the field. What is given in Sanjay Rath site is also given in Visti Larsen book ( as one would expect)> > > > If you need any sp information about these people pl ask me> > > > > > kamal> >>

October 11, 2007

Dear Sunil,

Rahu as AK in lagna is certain to give the person quite a bit of self

confidence, and perhaps a healthy body, as he is AK. Much will also

depend on the rasi occupied and the grahas conjunct. In the case where

it aspects you have not specified whether you are talking about rasi

aspect or graha aspect. When Rahu is conjunct AK, much depends on which

planet he is conjoining. With Sun it could indicate harm from snake

bite.

I have already indicated what is the significance of any planet who is

also AK in lagna.

Sanjay has stated a principle, from his parampara, but no principle of

astrology can be applied in isolation. You have to consider what he has

said elsewhere to understand the likely effect of such a position of AK.

Of course this is my personal opinion and other learned astrologers

may hold a different view.

Chandrashekhar.

Vedic Learner wrote:

Dear Sunil and Chadra Shekar

I have two charts with Rahu as AK

and in lagna in rasi not nvasma and further two aspecting and with AK.

Pl tell what is the significance of

Rahu as AK and in Lagna or for that matter any planet as AK and in

lagna either Rashi or Navamsa

Sanjay Rath states if #

If AK is in navamsa Lagna, the native belongs to a

royal family/ is of

noble birth and lineage. If navamsa Lagna Lord

conjoins AK, then the native,

although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank

equal to a king. If the AK

aspects navamsa Lagna, then Royal association shall

be present from birth.

The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun) should be

strong to indicate the extent

of Rajyoga.#

thanks

ka

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